Dvd authoring error's , DTS stream not getting muxed properly ...

[ankurs]

well i hope the title says all , took me 6 days to encode these cce's and now this is what i am stuck with :( =/ , seemingly the DTS stream is the one with whom ifoedit,muxman,rejig are having problems ... mux's(authors) all fine without the DTS stream , also more agony is they are all in sync and no frame drops involved what so ever , dont still get the reason why ifoedit is giving this error ...

http://i35.tinypic.com/25u5is1.jpg

here's the muxman error ..

http://i35.tinypic.com/fkxg6t.jpg

rejig just simply freezes without no error what so ever :mad:

any other way to author a dvd with this dts stream and the ac3 and the couple of sub stream (.sups) as well whilst preserving the original menu ? (dvdauthorgui = no use ! ) need the menu's as well ..

i really want this to come through so please help me find a work around this problem ... i'm not so good at advanced things like scenearist and all so :( can anyone guide me ?



:thanks: in advance ! =))

[setarip_old]

Hi!

Perhaps I'm missing something, but is there any reason you don't simply make a backup copy of your original DVDs of "Veer-Zaara"?

BTW - From what I've seen, this movie is available as either a single disc or 2 disc "special edition". Curious to know why you indicate in your screen captures that it's a 3 disc set?

[ankurs]

Hi!

Perhaps I'm missing something, but is there any reason you don't simply make a backup copy of your original DVDs of "Veer-Zaara"?

BTW - From what I've seen, this movie is available as either a single disc or 2 disc "special edition". Curious to know why you indicate in your screen captures that it's a 3 disc set?

well i did the cce because lots of banding/haloing was present in the source , also my crappy dvd player only plays NTSC , and the dvd is PAL interlaced , also i LOVE this movie , for me the best indian movie of recent times ... that's why i went through the pain of a PAL->NTSC conversion ... cant wait to sort this mess out and watch it on tv :P i know there are cheap dvd players out there , planning to buy one soon which both play pal and ntsc ... but atm i gotta do with this ..

also yeah this is a 3 DVD set REMASTERED by french people in france @ BODEGA , they seem to have done an awesome job with preserving the color's from the reel but seemingly introduced LOTS of banding somehow .. rest is all fine :) this 3 dvd9 set was recently released in europe ... also the only one i know of which had DTS audio ..

i hope somehow this is fixed and i can listen the DTS on my player :p

[setarip_old]

also the only one i know of which had DTS audioNot important but, the two disc "special edition" is listed as having a DTS audiostream.

[ankurs]

Not important but, the two disc "special edition" is listed as having a DTS audiostream.

:thanks: for the info , still trying to figure this out , no avail :(

[foxyshadis]

Your bitrate's too high for the DTS stream - packets are being "dropped" because they won't end up being read on time with a 1x DVD player, the total of video+audio is exceeding the bitrate, thus it's not a conforming stream. You're probably going to have to re-encode with a lower maximum bitrate, which may involve telling CCE that you need the extra 1.5Mbps or 768kbps overhead.

If you don't want to spend such an agonizingly long time encoding, you might want to use HC or QuEnc, which are much faster and often better quality than CCE. They require you to do your manipulations in Avisynth, though.

[ankurs]

Your bitrate's too high for the DTS stream - packets are being "dropped" because they won't end up being read on time with a 1x DVD player, the total of video+audio is exceeding the bitrate, thus it's not a conforming stream. You're probably going to have to re-encode with a lower maximum bitrate, which may involve telling CCE that you need the extra 1.5Mbps or 768kbps overhead.

If you don't want to spend such an agonizingly long time encoding, you might want to use HC or QuEnc, which are much faster and often better quality than CCE. They require you to do your manipulations in Avisynth, though.

man :(

if the bitrate is that high then why does the DTS stream work all fine on the original dvd's in the first place :S ? are'nt both the steams ( the one i am muxing and the one on the dvd identical ) the authors did author it somehow innit ?

and srsly after going through all these painful cpu cycles if i cant do anything with the .mpv's and the pulled down .m2v's i wont go in for another encode .. better buy a cheap ntsc/pal player ...

i have used hc in the past and from my experience eventually cce seems to give me better bitrate distribution .. re encodeing the whole thing is out of the question for me , all i'd like to do is to find a work around this problem and hopefully get it to work somehow ..

and things are looking grim .. i hope i get a work around through this ...


is it somehow possible for me to re encode the DTS stream around 10-2o ~ kbps less then the original stream and that might not make it to exceed the the limit and drop the packets ?

waiting for your answers ..

p.s : all my manipulations are already in avisynth :)

[manono]

if the bitrate is that high then why does the DTS stream work all fine on the original dvd's in the first place?
Obviously because they set a lower max bitrate than you did.
are'nt both the steams ( the one i am muxing and the one on the dvd identical ) the authors did author it somehow innit ?
How can they be identical when you reencoded it using CCE?

Why can't you run some more passes using a lower max bitrate?

[ankurs]

Obviously because they set a lower max bitrate than you did.

How can they be identical when you reencoded it using CCE?

Why can't you run some more passes using a lower max bitrate?

nah i meant the DTS stream being identical ...

and nopes not on a good enough pc now to handle the cpu intensive cycles , would'nt goto 0.5 fps seconds now on the script lol ...

o.O now i get u people , i set the maximum bitrate too high in cce settings :( mine was 9800 :/

isnt anything possible to get this thing authored :( if not then i might end up aborting this whole thing as a whole and buy a cheap
pal/ntsc dvd player ...

edit : after going through this hread -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=22069

i get the idea that yeah the max bitrate possible for a dvd is 10 ~ mb/s and 9800 KB + 1.5 MB for the DTS stream exceeds it hence the error's , aborting this thing as a whole , will take care of thing next time if i encode as in such again :)

:thanks: a lot for your cooperation and help though ! appreciate it :)

[manono]

would'nt goto 0.5 fps seconds now on the script lol ...

When the scripts are slow and you're running multiple passes, make a Lagarith lossless AVI first and then use AviSource on it to feed into CCE. That way the slow script gets run only once. Or use faster filters that do the same thing. Just because European Man does it that way, it doesn't mean you have to.

[ankurs]

When the scripts are slow and you're running multiple passes, make a Lagarith lossless AVI first and then use AviSource on it to feed into CCE. That way the slow script gets run only once. Or use faster filters that do the same thing. Just because European Man does it that way, it doesn't mean you have to.

no space on my hdd to make a lag and rip from that , i do do that occasionally though :p

also i know wat i am doing in my script , no need to edit/change things in that , i am more then willing to re encode the whole thing , just let me get my encoding machine back :)

and who europe man ? and i dont follow no one :p

[EuropeanMan]

Just because European Man does it that way, it doesn't mean you have to.

???????

I do lags for very slow scripts thank you very much! :mad:

[EuropeanMan]

BTW - From what I've seen, this movie is available as either a single disc or 2 disc "special edition". Curious to know why you indicate in your screen captures that it's a 3 disc set?

don't know why this user even said 3-disc...he's only using the first 2 discs for the movie portion...

[ankurs]

don't know why this user even said 3-disc...he's only using the first 2 discs for the movie portion...

not working on disc 3 :p

atm not working on this as a whole lol ! mod's trash this thread if u want to :rolleyes:

[manono]

???????

I do lags for very slow scripts thank you very much! :mad:
Don't be mad. I've exchanged PMs with ankur who has said that he's short on hard drive space and can't make a lossless AVI for this one. I know already you use them. When he said he was encoding at 0.5fps, I immediately thought he'd fallen under your influence and was using very slow filters to achieve top quality. But he denied ever having heard of you. Hard to believe, eh? :)

I said to him and still am convinced that it's sometimes just not practical to go all out when crippled as he is. It's also my opinion that spending 6 days on a single encode borders on the ridiculous. But he likes this film, and lots of us sometimes do things others might think ridiculous in our pursuit of perfection.

[ankurs]

Don't be mad. I've exchanged PMs with ankur who has said that he's short on hard drive space and can't make a lossless AVI for this one. I know already you use them. When he said he was encoding at 0.5fps, I immediately thought he'd fallen under your influence and was using very slow filters to achieve top quality. But he denied ever having heard of you. Hard to believe, eh? :)

I said to him and still am convinced that it's sometimes just not practical to go all out when crippled as he is. It's also my opinion that spending 6 days on a single encode borders on the ridiculous. But he likes this film, and lots of us sometimes do things others might think ridiculous in our pursuit of perfection.

exactly :p

[Amrit]

I have a question

I know this is kind of late but cant he run that m2v via cce again with a lower max bitrate. Since it wont have any filters wont it go fast??

sory for noob question