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QuadcoreHD

23rd April 2008, 22:08

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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS GUIDE IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UPDATED WITH CURRENT/UP-TO-DATE PROGRAMS TO BE USED IN THE DECRYPTING/RIPPING/COMPRESSION/AND PLAYBACK PROCESS, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION STEPS THAT PRESERVE QUALITY BUT SAVE HD SPACE AND INCLUDE MKV CONVERSION INSTRUCTIONS AS I AM CONVINCED THIS IS FAR MORE EFFICIENT BASED ON AVAILABLE FREE MKV MEDIA PLAYERS AND USAGE OF CPU RESOURCES WHILE PLAYING BACK. PLEASE GIVE ME SOME TIME AS I WORK FULL TIME BUT NOTE THAT THIS GUIDE AND IT'S USEFULLNESS WILL HOPEFULLY BE VASTLY IMPROVED IN THE COMING WEEKS. THANKS SO MUCH TO DOOM9 FOR STICKYING THIS A WHILE BACK AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL ONCE AGAIN BECOME A "GO-TO" GUIDE FOR NEWBIES.

BOTTOM LINE, THE NEW PROCESS WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT AND EASIER ACROSS THE BOARD.

UNTIL THEN, ALL THE BEST

~Q

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How to decrypt Blu-Ray discs using AnyDVD
How to rip Blu-Ray Discs using AnyDVD
How to rip only movie track from Blu-Ray disc
How to play-back your newly created track with PowerDVD

This guide will describe an extremely basic (5 (or sometimes 6) step) method of decrypting Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs, excluding all "unnecessary" audio tracks, creating an image (.iso) of your movie, and finally, how to play your newly created disc (.iso). The method described here essentially allows you extract only the feature from your BD disc, and store it for later use or burn it (if you have a Blu-Ray burner) to disc. Please note that there are definitely multiple ways to do this and multiple programs that can be used. In addition, there are many many more steps that can be included for various processing needs, this guide is meant to cover just the absolute basics and hopefully help out those who are just starting out. This guide is broken up into 2 sections: the first is devoted to Blu-Rays, and the second, to HD-DVDs.

[U]Blu-Ray Discs:

Programs needed:

1. AnyDVD HD 6.4.0.0 or higher (Slysoft - payware)
2. BDinfo (Cinema Squid - freeware)
2. TSMuxer (smartLabs - freeware)
4. ImgBurn (Lightning UK! - freeware)
5. Daemon Tools or Virtual Clone Drive (Daemon Tools/Slysoft - freeware)
6. PowerDVD 7 (Cyberlink - payware)

Step 1: Decrypt Disc/Rip Main Movie to Hard Drive

With AnyDVD HD running:

-Open TSMuxer and select "Browse".
-Navigate to your BD drive, right click and select "Open".
-under the top level folder (you're Blu-Ray disc), you will see the following folders:

AUXDATA
BACKUP
BDJO
CLPINF
JAR
META
PLAYLIST
STREAM

-Generally, all the files we need will be located under the "STREAM" folder and will be .m2ts files named in the following way (or something similar):

00000.m2ts
00001.m2ts
00002.m2ts
and so on...

Most often, will find the main feature is contained in one of these .m2ts files, always the largest one. When browsing with TSMuxer, sort by size and check the size of the largest .m2ts file; if it's, for example, 15 gigs and there are no other files remotely close in size, its probably safe to bet your complete movie is contained in that .m2ts file. You can check quickly by simply opening the file with powerdvd. You may not hear any audio, or it may be in another language, but just ignore that for now we'll deal with that later.

-If your disc has seamless branching (i.e. the main movie is contained in more than 1 .m2ts file) see the instructions below:

Open BdInfo amd browse to the drive containing your Blu-Ray disc. BDInfo will automatically begin scanning your disc (give it a few mintues, it's an amazing program!) There is a host of information compiled here, but for the purpose of this guide, we simply need to focus on the information contained in the first section. Under the "Playlist File" heading, you'll see the correct .MLPS which represents the playlist of the main movie on this disc.
-Once you have that information, go back to TSMuxer. Browse to the "PLAYLIST" folder and select the .MLPS file that BDInfo isolated for you.
-You will now see all the normal feature .m2ts stream options appear in TSMuxer. I.e. various video/audio/language/subtitle tracks
-the length of the video track should be the same as the length of your movie
-It's imporant to remember that once you've selected the correct .MLPS file, you can proceed in the exact same manner as if your disc has one main movie .m2ts file.
-Follow muxing instructions information located in guide
below.

Step 2: Mux audio and video with TSMuxer
-Open the feature .m2ts file (or .mlps if need be).
-Select only the necessary audio and video files. This can be done by just selecting the MPEG-2, VC-1, or H.264 video file and the english audio track. This will be in DTS, DTS-HD, TRUE-HD, AC3 or LPCM. The language of the audio should be displayed next to where its format is indicated. For a disc purchased in North America, the master audio track (DTS, DTS-HD, etc...) will be the english audio track.
-Once you've selected the tracks you want to keep, select "Create Blu-Ray Disk" under Output
-Hit "Start Muxing".
-this will create a folder titled "BDMV" on your desktop (or wherever you place it on your system). This folder will have the same blu-ray structure as I outlinded under step 1 of the BD disc section.

Step4: Create an .iso of the "BDMV" folder with ImgBurn
-Open ImgBurn and select "Create image file from files/folders" (Clone DVD can also be used).
-select the BDMV folder created by TSmuxer
-Click on the icon of a folder and disc to start creating the .iso

Step 5: mount image with Daemon tools
-right click on the Daemon Tools icon in the system tray (bottom right of desktop)
-select "Virtual CD/DVD-ROM"
-selct one of your devices, then "Mount Image"
-choose the .iso you just created with ImgBurn

PowerDVD should now start-up on its own and play the .iso of your Blu-Ray disc you just created.

[U]HD-DVD's:

Programs needed:

1. AnyDVD HD 6.4.0.0 or higher (Slysoft - payware)
2. EVODemux (Uknown - freeware)
3. TSMuxer (smartLabs - freeware)
4. ImgBurn (Lightning UK! - freeware)
5. Daemon Tools or Virtual Clone Drive (Daemon Tools/Slysoft - freeware)
6. PowerDVD 7 (Cyberlink - payware)

Step 1: Decrypt Disc/Rip Main Movie files to Hard Drive
-Open EVODemux
-In the upper field, click the folder icon and navigate to your HD-DVD drive
-Select the first "feature.evo file --->important info below on how to locate this file on the Disc:
- There are some differenes between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray folder structure which should be noted - For an HD-DVD, you will see a folder under the top-level folder titled "HDDVD_TS". In this folder you will find all the original files contained on your HD-DVD disc. In this guide we are processing in order to only keep the main movie - we are getting rid of the menu, those annoying FBI warnings (if you're in the US) that you cannot fast-forward past, and all "extras" (the making-of, interviews with actors/directors etc..) The main movie will most likley be divided up into 2 .EVO files in this folder, titled "feature1.evo" and "feature2.evo" or something similar. If its not, just look for the two largest files in that folder - these comprise the main movie.

Step 2: Demux feature files in EVODemux
-you will need to make a few changes in the settings of EVODemux before proceeding. Under options, make sure that "Continue with the next EVO", "Fast EVO checking" (only the first 300mbs)", "Detailed Info", "Auto Read" and "Read the .VTI file" are all checked. Open the "HDDVD_TS" and select the "feature1.evo" file. It will read the file which may take a minute or so. Once this has completed go to the "Video/Audio" tab and eliminate all "unnecessary" video and audio streams. To do this, uncheck all but the following:

Video.stream.0 (which will labled as "VC-1.steam.0" or "H.264.steam.0")
Audio.stream.0 (which be labled DD+steam.00)

-Please note that these selections will vary depending on your needs, but the above will get you the 1080p movie video and the english audio track for all discs sold in the United States.
-Hit "Demux". This will take some time. What you are doing here is extracting the two streams want to keep which combine ("Mux") back together again in the next step.

Step 3: Mux audio and video with TSMuxer
-Open the video and audio tracks you've just demux with EVODemux in TSMuxer.
-Select "Create Blu-Ray Disk" under Output
-Hit "Start Muxing".
-this will create a folder titled "BDMV" on your desktop (or wherever you place it on your system).

Step4: Create an .iso of the "BDMV" folder with ImgBurn
-Open ImgBurn and select "Create image file from files/folders"
-select the BDMV folder created by TSmuxer
-Click on the icon of a folder and disc to start creating the .iso

Step 5: mount image with Daemon tools
-right click on the Daemon Tools icon in the system tray (bottom right of desktop)
-select "Virtual CD/DVD-ROM"
-selct one of your devices, then "Mount Image"
-choose the .iso you just created with ImgBurn, make sure to select UDF 2.50.

PowerDVD should now start-up on its own and play the .iso of your HD-DVD you just created.

**Update for potential issue with Daemon Tools***(Thanks to SamuriHL)

Although I have not experienced this, it has come to my attention that there some users may face an issue when using Daemon Tools to play the .ISO files they've created. This issue can be solved by unitalling Daemon tools AND the SPDT driver, and finally, switching to Slysoft's "Virtual Clone Drive. For more information on the SPDT driver and how to unistall it, check out this link:

http://www.duplexsecure.com/downloads

You must unistall this driver separately along with unistalling the Daemon Tools program itself.

Virtual Clone Drive can be found here:

http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html

For more information on converting/encoding/compressing your video, please follow the link below: (thanks Dat720)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137128

Good luck, and happy ripping!

MrBDRipper

24th April 2008, 02:35

Thanks QuadcoreHD.

There is another easy-to-use way(by AVGo Media Recorder) that can cover both ripping HD-DVD and ripping Blu-ray Disc, and just need one software and several simple steps. Please have a look. :)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137132

dat720

24th April 2008, 09:39

Good work there, very easy process, if only i had a BRRW drive to even bother with this (or enough hdd space for that matter), maybe you could point out that demuxing the tracks is not neccecary if they want a original 1:1 of the disc.

I have saved the guide tho for future reference... love google docs

Thanks QuadcoreHD.
There is another easy-to-use way(by AVGo Media Recorder) that can cover both ripping HD-DVD and ripping Blu-ray Disc, and just need one software and several simple steps. Please have a look. :)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137132

Dude stop hocking your software every chance you get, you are bordering on spamming, if your software is good and gets the results you claim it does let people test it and gather some results.

Some feedback for your program:
Does not work with Media Player 11, which is kind of the default player in Vista..... Sory, misread you previous post, i thought you said it can capture from WMP, but you actually said it should work with any file WMP can play

Would be good if it didn't frame grab, as this process requires people not use their computer for at least 2 hours while this process happens, and i cant speak for everyone, but my most powerful computer i use for video work is also the pc i use for email and general internet purposes, which would leave me maybe 2 chances a day to grab a video, overnight and when i leave for work.

Another thing is some people don't even have direct show codecs installed on their machine, i use Mplayer/Mencoder, ffmpeg and VLC, which all have their own codecs and do not require direct show filters be installed to be able to playback video/audio files

QuadcoreHD

26th April 2008, 22:37

QuadcoreHD

26th April 2008, 22:38

Maybe i should change the title to all caps with like 40 exclamation points?????

totally kidding :P

jamd1

26th April 2008, 23:25

This is useful - I have only used the GUI's so far and not manually remuxed the audio . A useful addition would be shrinking options tho ;-)

SamuriHL

26th April 2008, 23:35

jamd1

27th April 2008, 01:42

Looking through this again - Could the following be done.
1. Split the .m2ts into DVD9 SIZES -
2. Remux the sound you want in the .m2ts files - converting into separate BDMV folders.
3. Burn the 2-3 split files onto dvd9 and play in PS3 or Blu-ray Player.
If so would the resulting discs play without problem.
Thx for any input.

SamuriHL

27th April 2008, 01:48

Yea, it's been done that way before. You can use tssplitter to make the sizes you want and master each one into a separate disc.

blutach

27th April 2008, 03:02

Hmmm, there haven't been many comments about this guide, i was really hoping alot of people would find this very helpful (newbies like me at least :P) Are there changes that should be made?

Any comments would be appreciated.

Maybe i should change the title to all caps with like 40 exclamation points?????

totally kidding :PPlease do not bump your posts. And use an appropriate title. Please see rules 9 and 12.

Regards

jamd1

27th April 2008, 06:35

I would put a comment in there to make sure they're selecting UDF 2.50 in ImgBurn when making the ISO. Otherwise they're going to run into problems. Feel free, also, to post the script I gave you for making an ISO from a folder. That can also help and will ensure they get the options right. Other than that I'd maybe put in a section on seamless branching and how to maybe go about doing that. Looks good though.

EDIT: What I mean is how to find the playlist to open with the latest version of TSMuxer since it can handle seamless branching discs by opening the playlist.

Does this mean that when you burn the files to dvd-R with nero that you need to use the manual UDF settings and set them to UDF 2.50? ( Just when trying this nero gets upset and gives a warning message about the resulting DVD may not be playable on all systems.)

SamuriHL

27th April 2008, 16:25

Does this mean that when you burn the files to dvd-R with nero that you need to use the manual UDF settings and set them to UDF 2.50? ( Just when trying this nero gets upset and gives a warning message about the resulting DVD may not be playable on all systems.)

If you're going to use Nero, then yes, you would need to manually set it to UDF 2.50. And of course the resulting DVD may not be playable on all systems...it's designed for Blu-ray players only! :) Personally even though I own Nero I never use it for burning anymore. I always use ImgBurn.

dat720

27th April 2008, 21:46

Personally even though I own Nero I never use it for burning anymore. I always use ImgBurn.

I second that, ImgBurn is my sole burning/iso creation application... in the last few years freeware programs have gotten awesome!!!

QuadcoreHD

28th April 2008, 04:50

@blutach, sorry about bumping the post, i had no intention of violating any kind of rule.

And use an appropriate title. Please see rules 9 and 12.

Regards

Taktaal

29th April 2008, 21:09

What's the usual way to convert a Bluray movie to a format like AVI or MKV? Can you do something with Graphedit?

SamuriHL

29th April 2008, 22:01

There are a variety of ways to do it. The easiest I've found is with a gui like MeGUI, RipBot, or SUPER. It's not generally a quick process but it works fairly well. (Ok, it's not quick because I'm reencoding the video, I admit it! :D) I'm sure other people have their way of doing it, as well.

rica

29th April 2008, 22:31

What's the usual way to convert a Bluray movie to a format like AVI or MKV? Can you do something with Graphedit?

This is the way i go:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=136505

QuadcoreHD

9th May 2008, 17:48

@rica - Thanks for referencing the other thread regarding Taktaal's question.

FYI, what I'm trying to do with this guide is exclude any/all additional processing that can be done, including splitting into DVD-9 sizes, encoding to different formats, or shrinking/reducing file sizes, all this can be found in many other very useful threads on this site. Also, that is absolutely not to say i don't appreciate the input, but I think it's more useful to keep things as simple as possible here. I will do some searching and reference other threads however for those seeking additional information.

I really want this guide to be as simple/straightforward as possible and only include the absolute basics of the process, and to help beginners, and I think including that information may confuse some people. I did however update the UDF 2.50 information; i think that is extremely useful :P

thanks to everyone who answered others questions in the posts, some very legitimate questions and very good answers. Your help is much appreciated.

eternalkp

16th May 2008, 21:06

newbie here.

i tried to back up HD DVD, i used all the steps. get it to play in powerdvd 8 ultra...but NO sound. please help.

dat720

19th May 2008, 13:37

your gunna need to supply more information dude, what tracks did you rip from the disc? what format are they? what disc is it? have you tried the files in another media player such as vlc or mplayer? are you sure you demuxed and remuxed a audio track?

QuadcoreHD

19th May 2008, 16:32

@eternal,

I'd love to try and help, but just as Dat720 said, you really need to provide all the information you can. It's much easier to troubleshoot a problem when you list all the steps, and we'll figure out where things went wrong. While I know this guide isn't perfect, if you follow those steps exactly you WILL get a .iso that plays. There are no High-Def discs to date that AnyDVD HD cannot decrypt, which is the only area you may run into a problem at this point. Give us that additional info (referenced by Dat) and lets get this working for you :P

raymondtrudeau

27th May 2008, 04:09

this is a good guide but if i want to burn to to dvd9..i guess i will need 4 dvd9's after your last step what can i do next? thanks

mrginthehouse@hotmail.com

27th May 2008, 23:57

thanxs. i can rip any blue ray film with ease,and wacth it on my power dvd ultra.ive tried 2 put it on 2 a blue ray disc but the files are 2 big.
can u help.

dat720

28th May 2008, 13:37

You will need to ditch some streams, if they are still too big it's time to compress them, but that's a whole other kettle of fish that this guide does not cover.

QuadcoreHD

28th May 2008, 19:26

Dat; sorry it took so long to do so, but I just added a link to your guide in this one - i figure it will answer a lot of the "next step" questions that are appearing in this thread :P

Good work on the guide btw =D

dat720

28th May 2008, 23:42

Nice, thanks...

It's surprisingly easy isnt it.

I should probably add a link to yours aswell.

ben_franklin

4th June 2008, 16:33

We really need to keep hassling slysoft and Fengtao to have a "select main movie" feature on their decryptors for titles where the movie is broken out into many m2ts files.

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 16:43

We really need to keep hassling slysoft and Fengtao to have a "select main movie" feature on their decryptors for titles where the movie is broken out into many m2ts files.

Why does that feature belong in a decryption program? It doesn't. It belongs in something more along the lines of "CloneBD". Maybe in DVD Decrypter's case it might belong there, but, not in AnyDVD HD.

ben_franklin

4th June 2008, 16:58

In reality I don't care who has the feature, but I would prefer it to be in a program I already paid for so I don't have to shell out more $$$$. :)

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 16:59

There is that. :) I just don't think that type of functionality belongs in AnyDVD HD. However, that's simply my opinion and I don't work for Slysoft so my opinion doesn't count for much. :D

setarip_old

4th June 2008, 22:07

@SamuriHL

Hi!Why does that feature belong in a decryption program?If only because that's where they've appeared historically, starting with a "movie only" option on good ol' DVD Decrypter and SmartRipper...

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 22:27

@SamuriHL

Hi!If only because that's where they've appeared historically, starting with a "movie only" option on good ol' DVD Decrypter and SmartRipper...

AnyDVD hasn't ever done so.

QuadcoreHD

7th July 2008, 22:45

Well...I've updated this again...i know i know adding info on TSMuxer's ability to directly open .mpls files is old-news, but well, it's in there now.

SamuriHL

7th July 2008, 22:51

LOL. That's good that it's there though.

EPiPH0NE

8th July 2008, 02:43

Well...I've updated this again...i know i know adding info on TSMuxer's ability to directly open .mpls files is old-news, but well, it's in there now.

Don't you need to use eac3to to fix audio gaps on some seamless branching discs? If not, it will go OOS. Just a thought.

raymondtrudeau

8th July 2008, 04:46

After inserting BD disc into your machine, navigate to the folder titled "PLAYLIST"
-Select largest (in actual kb size) .mpls file. I have yet to see where this file NOT the playlist for the main move.
-Open this directly with TSMuxer
-Follow muxing instructions information located in guide below.
does this mean you do not nead to rip the movie to your hd first with anydvd?

EPiPH0NE

8th July 2008, 08:37

does this mean you do not nead to rip the movie to your hd first with anydvd?

You never had to before. Ripping just adds time. Go directly from disc while running AnyDVD HD.

QuadcoreHD

8th July 2008, 16:30

EPiPhone is exactly right...I can pretty much remove most of the information regarding the ripping process with AnyDVD, just haven't had a chance to yet (i know, it would take like 3 seconds but I'm just to busy at work). And whatever, when I first started it felt cool to actually rip a full BD to my hard drive...yes I'm weird :P

Also yes, you MUST have AnyDVD running when using TSMuxer.

I'll update this soon.

raymondtrudeau

9th July 2008, 04:50

iam interested in putting the movie on to several dvd9...i know there is a program called HDBDSplitGUI: to split the resulting movies into multiple DVDs but where would i use this step in your guide? do i need to first rip it to hard drive then split it into 3 dvd9's then go to step 2?

QuadcoreHD

9th July 2008, 06:09

you can use a program called TSSplitter but it won't split .isos. You have to your entire film into .ts with TSmuxer and then split with TSSplitter.

raymondtrudeau

9th July 2008, 21:21

you can use a program called TSSplitter but it won't split .isos. You have to your entire film into .ts with TSmuxer and then split with TSSplitter.
so can i open the main movie from the original bd disc using ts muxer gui or tsmuxer (shat is the difference between the 2) then create it to a .ts file then split in into 3 dvd9's

EPiPH0NE

9th July 2008, 23:04

so can i open the main movie from the original bd disc using ts muxer gui or tsmuxer (shat is the difference between the 2) then create it to a .ts file then split in into 3 dvd9's

1) Mount disc while running AnyDVD HD

2) Got to 'STREAM' folder -> find your main M2TS and load that into TSSplitter

3) Split to desired size

raymondtrudeau

10th July 2008, 04:40

1) Mount disc while running AnyDVD HD

2) Got to 'STREAM' folder -> find your main M2TS and load that into TSSplitter

3) Split to desired size
ok then after i split it to say three 8 gb each i then run each one through tsmuxer and save it as a blueray file? thanks for the help...

EPiPH0NE

10th July 2008, 08:43

ok then after i split it to say three 8 gb each i then run each one through tsmuxer and save it as a blueray file? thanks for the help...

You should be able to use the M2TS files generated by TSSplitter as you wish. If you're using an HTPC/NMT you could just play the split M2TS files but if your using AVCHD, for a stand alone, you could run it through tsMuxeR and use 'Create Blu-ray Disc' option and burn to DVD. You might need Nero or something similar to create a proper AVCHD disc.

frank

10th July 2008, 19:11

Why splitting? If you want to burn on DVD then reencode with megui/ffdshow/avisynth to 1280x720p (DVD-9, AVC, AC3).
You'll get a very good quality. DVD-9 8GB is sufficient for 3 hours movie!

EPiPH0NE

10th July 2008, 20:05

Why splitting? If you want to burn on DVD then reencode with megui/ffdshow/avisynth to 1280x720p (DVD-9, AVC, AC3).
You'll get a very good quality. DVD-9 8GB is sufficient for 3 hours movie!

Splitting takes ~1-2hrs (depending on hardware)

Encoding takes ~6-8+ hrs.

That's why :). Plus, If I'm gonna take time to process discs myself I want the full retail 1080p ES video streams and, if applicable, HD audio to go along with it. I backup all my BluRay/HD-DVD projects to multi DVD-R sets using TSSplitter and once you factor in the costs of axxs to all the data and the discs I get each full BluRay/HD-DVD for $1-$3/per movie. Of cource I don't care about extras, web features. etc. For the price of one 50-pack spindle of DVD-R's($8-$10) I get ~10 full BluRay/HD-DVD's. That's another reason :devil:

QuadcoreHD

11th July 2008, 06:59

Hard drive space is pretty cheap these days too...if you look hard you can find a 1TB for under 200 bucks...

dat720

11th July 2008, 13:16

EPiPH0NE

11th July 2008, 18:55

Thats sounds like wayyy too much effort, i agree totally with QuadcoreHD HDD space is cheap as these day's rip the BR/HD to a hdd and stash the original away... thats what i have done, and seens the streams are original off the disc you retain original quality.

Yeah, HDD storage is much easier but they're aren't enough HDD's in the world, or at least anything affordable for me, to hold all the 0's and 1's that I have. And of course my collection grows every day. I guess if I didn't have as much I would opt for HDD storage or if I was just plain stupid rich I would just buy an over priced BD burner and burn to over priced BD-R's and play in my over priced stand alone but I gotta go with what's cheapest and that's DVD-R. It works for me and saves me tons of cash that's used for other things :)

FoxDisc

11th July 2008, 21:17

Hard drive space is pretty cheap these days too...if you look hard you can find a 1TB for under 200 bucks...

I was looking at them today. Of the 8 1TB's available from Newegg, 5 are under 200 and all are less than 250.

raymondtrudeau

11th July 2008, 22:49

raymondtrudeau

11th July 2008, 22:51

another question...i have a external hdd and if i put the bl movie on this is there anyway of playing it on a stand alone blueray player?

EPiPH0NE

11th July 2008, 22:52

I was looking at them today. Of the 8 1TB's available from Newegg, 5 are under 200 and all are less than 250.

That's all fine and dandy but for $200 I get 6.6TB of storage as compared to 1TB. I don't think I will even be alive by the time 6TB drives hit the retail market for $200 :p

setarip_old

12th July 2008, 02:35

I gotta go with what's cheapest and that's DVD-R.for $200 I get 6.6TBDoesn't sound like very high quality media at about 15 cents a pop...

EPiPH0NE

13th July 2008, 01:46

Doesn't sound like very high quality media at about 15 cents a pop...

True...But I still have cheap Princo (I think) CompUSA DVD-R's from 2001, when they still cost $1/piece and they still play just fine so I'm not too worried :)

dat720

13th July 2008, 04:39

another question...i have a external hdd and if i put the bl movie on this is there anyway of playing it on a stand alone blueray player?

If you burn it back to a BluRay disc yes, if your stand alone has a usb port and can read the files like that yes, but what are you actually asking here?

dat720

13th July 2008, 04:40

That's all fine and dandy but for $200 I get 6.6TB of storage as compared to 1TB. I don't think I will even be alive by the time 6TB drives hit the retail market for $200 :p

With the way storage is moving that will be maybe 2 or 3 years before 6tb drives are available, maybe another 12 months after that they will be affordable, unless you plan on dying in the next 4 or 5 years you should be fine!

Using DVD-R's is cheaper i can see that, and so could anyone with basic maths skill's but can you answer yes to these questions? Is it Easier? Is it Convenient? Is it Faster?

I have a 1TB drive attached to a linux pc running fuppes and samba, with all my DVD BluRay and HD rip's and my PVR Records to it aswell, biggest bonus is any pc/console in the house has instant access to all my content (My house has 4 people living in it with 3 laptop's 3 pc's 2 consoles and a Vista Media Centre box) and when the 1tb drive fills up i will buy another one as they are around $120au at the moment (mate of mine runs a pc shop :) so cheap deals) and plug it into the linux box, and will continue to do that, untill 2tb drives get cheap and so on!

EPiPH0NE

13th July 2008, 05:39

^^^As I said, I'm going for price/storage ratio not speed or convience and yes I very well might die in the next 4-5 years...you never know....As I also said there aren't enough HDD's in the world for all my stuff. I would have to buy a 1TB HDD at least every 5-7 weeks at my current rate of data acquisition and considering I only live with my wife and I am the only one who needs axxs to my data but I could see in your situation an HDD based solution works best but not for me. What ever works for you is how you should do it :)

dat720

13th July 2008, 05:44

[QUOTE=EPiPH0NE;1158394and yes I very well might die in the next 4-5 years...[/QUOTE]

Well that kinda sucks... good luck with that :)

I plan on living forever, or atleast till my next horrific accident!

QuadcoreHD

29th July 2008, 17:28

Made a final update, I think this is pretty much fool-proof at this point (no offense intended). Until we have an "all in-one" tool I think (as far as I know) this is the easiest way.

Yes I know, I could include basic stuff like opening .m2ts or .mpls files directly from the Disc with TSMuxer with AnyDVD running, but I think most people will eventually figure that out. Also, when your really first getting started it's kinda cool to have that ripped folder on your hard drive so you can really mess around with it...i dunno.

Either way that info is now in this post :P

-Q

tzgq2m

3rd August 2008, 11:03

Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay released 7/29, the day of your update, seems to be an exception to your rule:

-Select largest (in actual kb size) .mpls file. I have yet to see where this file NOT the playlist for the main move.

The largest .mpls on the disc is 00003.mpls at 36kb, which seems to be some kind of decoy playlist since it repeats the same 00059.m2ts file about 25 times.

I've yet to actually figure out which is the correct playlist. These discs with the seamless branching could prove to be quite a PITA.

PS - Great guide though, thanks for typing it up.

SamuriHL

3rd August 2008, 16:32

Have you tried scanning the disc with eac3to or BDInfo (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/BDInfo)? That should show you the playlist info. I don't have this title so I can't check.

tzgq2m

3rd August 2008, 19:40

Have you tried scanning the disc with eac3to or BDInfo (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/BDInfo)? That should show you the playlist info. I don't have this title so I can't check.

No, I had used BDedit to view the playlists.

Now after using BDInfo, I can see the same info, but I'll admit it is in a bit nicer format. 11 different playlists are over 1 hour 41 minutes 30 seconds, figuring out which one is the one I want will likely have to be a trial and error process.

SamuriHL

3rd August 2008, 19:55

Sweet. Sounds like they're trying to make it harder by adding a bunch of bogus playlists. That's always a good time! :)

tzgq2m

3rd August 2008, 20:38

Steel

4th August 2008, 19:36

The good news is, I found the playlist for the unrated movie. It's 00100.mpls for anyone else that might care.

I noticed it was the only one of the 11 that had some of the really short .mpts files, and sure enough those were the director's cut / unrated parts being added in.

Here's 00100.mpls unrated full movie m2ts file order for Harold & Kumar 2- Escape From Guantanamo Bay:
copy /b 00003.m2ts+00004.m2ts+00007.m2ts+00008.m2ts+00010.m2ts+00011.m2ts+00012.m2ts+00013.m2ts+00015.m2ts+00016.m2ts+00017.m2ts+00018.m2ts+00019.m2ts+00020.m2ts+00021.m2ts+00022.m2ts+00023.m2ts+00024.m2ts+00025.m2ts+00026.m2ts+00027.m2ts+00028.m2ts+00029.m2ts+00030.m2ts+00031.m2ts+00032.m2ts

QuadcoreHD

6th August 2008, 20:32

Adding these apparent "fake" .mpls files definitely throws this guide off somewhat...although it looks like it may just add a few minutes to the process while the "real" playlist is found. Unfortunately I can't account for this at this time because I don't think TSMuxer has a way to detect the "real" playlist at this point. I'll update that as soon as they do :P

Btw my good friend from college's brother was one of the two writers of both harold and kumar movies (won't say which one!)...and honestly the sequel was AWFUL. Whew...feels good to get that off the chest...can't really say it to his face LOL. ahh yes, i love the anonymity of the internet

EPiPH0NE

6th August 2008, 21:04

tzgq2m

7th August 2008, 05:44

Have these 'fake' MPLS files been confirmed? The reason I ask is that I came across a disc recently, Rambo (2008), that had seamless branching, many 'overlapping', MPLS files, some longer then the actual movie but they just wound up being legitimate MPLS files. They where the movie but with PiP/commentary added. Don't know why that authored it that way but all I had to do was check IMDB for run time and I got the right MPLS the first time.

There is no question in my mind that 00003.mpls was fake, and there may have been more. Some of the others were alternate versions of the movie that let you "choose" what the actors did next. Similar to one of those books where you go to page 3 if they do something, or page 4 if they don't.

They clearly made 00003.mpls the largest playlist, so I believe it was deliberate.

tzgq2m

7th August 2008, 05:48

Don't know why that authored it that way but all I had to do was check IMDB for run time and I got the right MPLS the first time.

Sorry, I forgot to add... that since this was the unrated version, the runtime was not the same as in IMDB. That was the first thing I looked up. Unfortunately for me one of the other playlists was the time stated in IMDB, so I tried that one first. It ended up just being one of the alternate versions.

EPiPH0NE

7th August 2008, 08:57

Sorry, I forgot to add... that since this was the unrated version, the runtime was not the same as in IMDB. That was the first thing I looked up. Unfortunately for me one of the other playlists was the time stated in IMDB, so I tried that one first. It ended up just being one of the alternate versions.

Yeah, Rambo (Region A) only had the theatrical version. I now have the German BluRay with the uncut version and I will have to check this one for 'fake' MPLS'. That's totally some guy at the authoring house trying to mess with us. I doubt his boss cares if there's an extra 36kb file in the final product.

Octo-puss

24th August 2008, 14:49

Shouldn't this thread be stickied?

tzgq2m

24th August 2008, 19:45

Would any of the steps in this guide go quicker if I was using a quad or 8 core worstation? I currently am using a 2.4 Ghz AMD, and every step takes a long time.

and yes Octo, this thread should be stickied.

EPiPH0NE

24th August 2008, 19:47

Would any of the steps in this guide go quicker if I was using a quad or 8 core worstation?

I would hope so...my rip box is my old P4 3GHz but it still chugs along. I'm lovin' my new Quadcore :)

dat720

27th August 2008, 09:36

Would any of the steps in this guide go quicker if I was using a quad or 8 core worstation?

To a certain point, i have a Q9550 (Quad 2.83ghz 12mb cache) and am finding the speed of the CPU is not an issue when muxing, the discs are now the bottle necks.......

I'm really tempted to go and buy a pair of Raptor 10k discs and Stripe them just for speed and temporary storage....

QuadcoreHD

28th August 2008, 18:29

@tzgq2m

Dat720 is usually right on, and he is here once again. I assume it may slightly improve speeds, but the issue is also simply how fast it can read from the disc at this point.

Also, I'm not sure if TSMuxer is even specifically designed to use multiple cores anyway - anyone know for sure?

Finally, thanks guys for mentioning that this should be a sticky...this is my first and only guide put up here and I'm so glad people find it useful. As I stated when I first wrote it, it was really tough to find answers to the basics of ripping/encoding/whatever for the new Hi-Def disc formats so I figured when I had (kinda) figured it out that I'd write something so other people who were like me could have a frame of reference.

-Q

QuadcoreHD

3rd September 2008, 06:36

Hey so quick question:

Why is it that when i google "how to decrypt blu-ray discs" the following link shows up in instead of the doom9 guide I wrote?:

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic350015.html

No offense to any videohelp.com fans, but doom9 is the only site I'd ever want to come up in that kind of a search. Anyone know what the deal with that is?

Yeah I know the guy "sites" this original thread at the end (gee thanks) and maybe my reply was a little harsh (i signed up and replied in like 34 seconds because of rage issues haha) but like seriously, come on with that...

Anyway, anyone who has an insight please let me know.

Thanks all,
Q

PS to the mods, sorry if this is too off topic, let me know and I'll open a new thread.

Octo-puss

3rd September 2008, 07:03

You might want to ask the Google team how their indexing of the internets work...

QuadcoreHD

3rd September 2008, 16:11

what's this "googles" you speak of? I think i've heard about using the google but I'm not sure.

Well, I didn't want it to have to go directly to them, WAY too much of a hassle...but I dunno maybe if I start stewing about it I'll get all p-oed and send them an email.

I'm such an internet gangster :P

pierdeux

3rd September 2008, 18:50

you dont want to be famous AND infamous at the same time. Being known for decrypting might hurt yu. So be happy and relax!

raymondtrudeau

4th September 2008, 04:45

hi quadcore are you able to add how to split to dvd 9 and to burn to dvd or to a bd dvd 9 to the guide? thanks

dat720

6th September 2008, 14:26

Also, I'm not sure if TSMuxer is even specifically designed to use multiple cores anyway - anyone know for sure?

I highly doubt it, my Quad only goes to between 3 and 5% cpu usage when muxing, but the disk's are going nuts!!! theres no reason for a muxer to utilise multiple cores......

I think vendors need to stop making faster cpu's gpu's and ram, and concentrate somewhat on making 10 and 15k drives affordable, and maybe even step upto 600mbs sata :)

MGSteve

7th September 2008, 00:02

I find the RAID'd Raptors I've got to be quite quick - 130mb/s keeps up with most things :)

A Muxer has really no need for multiple threads, (well, at least in my experience), all of the work it tends to do is moving data around, not translation from one format to another.

daveyd

8th September 2008, 17:55

How do most of you guys store ripped Blu Ray discs? NAS? SAN?

For my home theater, I have a Samsung 1400 Blu ray player and a Samsung 58" Plasma...I would like to get into the HTPC arena and be able to stream ripped Blu Ray Discs to my TV and am trying to figure out the best way to do it.

If BR discs are on average 30-40GB, a 4TB NAS could "only" hold 90-100 or so rips. Is compressing them worth losing any video or audio quality?

If I were to build a HTPC and connect it to a NAS, what would be best way be to be able to play the rips to my TV, retaining 1080p video and HD audio? I would like to be able to stream BRs to any plasmas (I have 3) in my house. I wired my house with CAT6 and am connected via Gigabit ethernet.

QuadcoreHD

9th September 2008, 22:21

daveyd

11th September 2008, 19:28

If you have a 58" 1080p televesion I would not recommend compressing to 720P - you will definitely notice a considerable loss in picture quality. If you're pretty nuts about your picture (I watch all my BR/HD-DVDs on 120 inch screen with a Panasonic PT-AE200U 1080P projector) as I am, you must keep these in 1080P. You probably wont notice a difference on anything 42' or under.

One thing to note is that while BR discs are not 30-40GB on average - that number is closer to 20-30GB and less if you remove the additional audio tracks and extra features. I've found that (using my method) most discs are between 15 and 25GB, completely uncompressed in an .ISO.

I'm not familiar with NAS or SAN systems (maybe you can elaborate) but I simply store the ISO's on an array of hard-drives and queue up and play from my computer - which is hooked up DVI to the projector. 1TB drives are dirt cheap now, I have a couple from Western Digital which are around $200 at circuit city now. From what it sounds like you're not working with much of a budget, so I'm sure you could fine a more integrated/streamlined solution.

-Q

Yea, I a definitely a 1080p nut. I figure why spend tons of money on a Blu ray Player and a large 1080p Plasma and not enjoy the native resolution.

A NAS (Network Attached Storage) or SAN (Storage Area Network) are basically large arrays of Disks separate from your host computer used for storage. I was thinking of getting a 4TB or so array.

I am definitely just interested in getting just the movie and the accompanying HD audio track since my audio Amp can decode all HD audio.

What would be the best way to "stream" the ripped Blu Ray movies to my TV. An HTPC attached to the TV or by some other means?

I like the "cleanness" of ISOs and would like to rip them all to ISO format. I do believe the XBOX 360 cannot stream ISOs? I know the regular XBOX can but I don't believe it can handle HD content very well?

All in all, i would like to have a video/audio server that you can have the ability to access from any of my TVs in my house and be able to choose what movies/music you want to watch or listen to from the TV (in 1080p of course) :)

EPiPH0NE

12th September 2008, 18:43

Yea, I a definitely a 1080p nut. I figure why spend tons of money on a Blu ray Player and a large 1080p Plasma and not enjoy the native resolution.

A NAS (Network Attached Storage) or SAN (Storage Area Network) are basically large arrays of Disks separate from your host computer used for storage. I was thinking of getting a 4TB or so array.

I am definitely just interested in getting just the movie and the accompanying HD audio track since my audio Amp can decode all HD audio.

What would be the best way to "stream" the ripped Blu Ray movies to my TV. An HTPC attached to the TV or by some other means?

I like the "cleanness" of ISOs and would like to rip them all to ISO format. I do believe the XBOX 360 cannot stream ISOs? I know the regular XBOX can but I don't believe it can handle HD content very well?

All in all, i would like to have a video/audio server that you can have the ability to access from any of my TVs in my house and be able to choose what movies/music you want to watch or listen to from the TV (in 1080p of course) :)

www.popcornhour.com

raymondtrudeau

13th September 2008, 08:40

is it possible to use popcornhour to watch my blueray movies copied using anydvd then saving as iso on a 500gb hard drive on my sanyo z2000 projector?

QuadcoreHD

13th September 2008, 18:31

I'm not very familiar with popcorn hour, but after reading up for a few minutes I see no reason this wouldn't work with the method in the guide.

daveyd

13th September 2008, 23:23

I might have to give Popcorn Hour a try. I like the fact that it can play BR iso files. I have isos of SD movies. I like the clean 1 file name format of isos.

I did read that it was having issues bitstreaming TrueHD and DTS-HD. I might have to wait until they come out with a firmware upgrade.

At $215+ a pop, I should almost get a BR player for each TV in each room

EPiPH0NE

14th September 2008, 01:30

NMT's will NOT play BluRay ISO's. It WiLL play SD DVD ISO's. It will play TS/M2TS files which is what I have been using for almost a year now for BluRay/HD-DVD and now it will also play 1080p ES streams in MKV thanks to Haali :) I have the A-100 and use (L)PCM for HD audio but the A-110 adds, or at least supposed to, bit streaming of all HD audio formats but my AVR only does (L)PCM so I always do DTS-MA/TrueHD -> PCM 5.1. I had a BluRay guide similar to this one on their forums a long time ago but took it down. I am personally waiting for cheaper BluRay players or a crack for the PS3 to justify the $400 price tag.

QuadcoreHD

14th September 2008, 16:59

EPiPH0NE

14th September 2008, 20:44

FYI the PS3 is definitely the best stand-alone BR player on the market considering it's always going to be compatibile with the newest BR profile - oh and it plays PS3 games also. Funny I'm saying this considering I'm a die-hard Xbox fan LOL.

Also on a side note, can anyone explain the advantages of using something like Popcornhour as opposed to just hooking up TVs/Projectors etc...directly to a computer via DVI?

LOL...I had an Xbox 1(Matrix no-sod) and now have an Xbox 360(FLashed) and I only ever used them for gaming which I don't do much of. As far as advantages with the an NMT I don't think there really are any except the price. An NMT is always gonna be cheaper then even a 'cheap' HTPC but you can technically do more with an HTPC. It depends on your current hardware set up. If you HAVE to have FLAC you will need an HTPC for now. If you don't wanna spend the time and money on an HTPC and still want rock solid media performance than pick an NMT. Considering my NMT has pretty much been a combo BluRay/HD-DVD player out of the box since Nov. '07 for $179 i think it was well worth it but then again I already had a BD-rom drive and an HD-DVD-rom drive and not every body has those yet so it was an easy choice for me. Plus all my older Sigma based players where always solid.

Salehi

16th September 2008, 12:36

Is it possible to add subtitle or audio stream to Blu-ray or HD-DVD without any change in menu. please someone answer. Possible???

SamuriHL

16th September 2008, 14:19

No tool that I know of allows you to do that. You have to remaster it with TSMuxer in order to add/remove streams and presentation graphics. Hopefully some day this will be possible but I don't believe it is today.

Salehi

17th September 2008, 03:06

So there is no tools like MuxMan and IFOUpdate to add subtitle and audio stream to blue-ray and keep menu??

SamuriHL

17th September 2008, 03:50

Nope. Blu-ray is a pretty new format and the tools for it aren't developed. This isn't nearly as simple as a DVD structure. Blu-ray has many complexities to it that make such tools difficult to write. They will come over time.

raymondtrudeau

18th September 2008, 00:45

well this is my first try at backing up a blu-ray...i have a external lite on blu-ray rom and i have tsmuxer gui installed on my computer.. i went to the first step .......After inserting BD disc into your machine, navigate to the folder titled "PLAYLIST"
-Select largest (in actual kb size) .mpls file. I have yet to see where this file NOT the playlist for the main move.
-Open this directly with TSMuxer

i iam trying saw 4 but when i select the largest mpls file (0000) i get a massage saying 1.cant find tsmuxer or depended library and 2. "can't detect stream type..K:/bdmv/stream/00000.m2ts.......

is it possible to use a external blu ray for this purpose

QuadcoreHD

18th September 2008, 18:17

raymondtrudeau

19th September 2008, 00:36

@raymondtrudeu

First off be careful of cross-posting. I'm not a mod obviously but just an FYI.

Now, to try and help out:

In this case I would try and decrypt the entire disc with AnyDVD to your hard-drive first THEN use tsmuxer. I think I've had this problem before - for some reason I got that error when accessing files on the the disc directly with TsMuxer even when AnyDVD was running.

Let me know if this helps, if not, we'll try other options.

-Q

anydvd will see my external drive as k drive but when i try to rip it to the hard drive it says drive k is not ready? i tried to reboot,restart anydvd...and no luck...
maybe my computer is to old..it is e machines c 3060
amd sempron 3000+, 1.99 ghz, 1 g ram...i believe it is only single core....is this it?

QuadcoreHD

19th September 2008, 19:38

raymondtrudeau

19th September 2008, 19:55

That is an older machine, but I don't see any reason anyDVD shouldn't work. I think you're going to have some trouble playing any blu-ray discs from the drive using your computer, but can you try that? does it read the disc correctly when attempting to play it? If you have an issue with a BD disc try a standard DVD.

Let me know what the result is.

ok thanks i did get it to copy to my hard drive then i used tsmuxer (tsremux kept giving errors)...and choose the largest m2ts file which is 0000.m2ts (for the movie saw 4 )and 5.1 dd then remux to my hard drive...now i have 1 m2ts file that is 18gb ..now is this all i need to do to play it on my upcoming popcorn a110?

7saigon5

19th September 2008, 21:46

I try everything and played with Power DVD but I hear only sound of the movie???Please advise!Thanks!

QuadcoreHD

20th September 2008, 07:50

@raymondtrudeau

I'm sorry but I honestly don't know if an .m2ts file will play directly on the popcorn a110. From doing a bit of research on google it appears it SHOULD work, but I cannot guarantee this. You may want to post in another section on doom9, or hopefully someone here will read this and give you an answer - I'm sorry that I cannot help you more there. Other than that it sounds like you did the demuxing/remuxing correctly - nice work! As always, please let me know what the result is.

@7saigon5

You must give more information. What settings did you use in tsmuxer? what movie is this? do you have AnyDVD running when trying this? what are your machine specs? etc... any and all information you can provide would be helpful.

Thanks,

Q

EPiPH0NE

21st September 2008, 20:51

Yes, TS/M2TS files play on ALL NMT's.

raymondtrudeau

21st September 2008, 21:56

so even if the movie has multiple m2ts files (seamless branching) all i have to do is open the "main movie" playist file (.mpls file) directly and mux all relevant movie tracks automatically.

EPiPH0NE

22nd September 2008, 02:20

so even if the movie has multiple m2ts files (seamless branching) all i have to do is open the "main movie" playist file (.mpls file) directly and mux all relevant movie tracks automatically.

Not really.

For MPEG2 seamless branching you can use tsMuxeR

For AVC you need to use eac3to.

SamuriHL

22nd September 2008, 05:21

Not really.

For MPEG2 seamless branching you can use tsMuxeR

For AVC you need to use eac3to.

Huh? You're suggesting that TSMuxer can't do seamless branching with AVC titles? If that's what you're saying, that's completely wrong. If that's not what you're saying, I misunderstood.

EPiPH0NE

22nd September 2008, 06:50

Huh? You're suggesting that TSMuxer can't do seamless branching with AVC titles? If that's what you're saying, that's completely wrong. If that's not what you're saying, I misunderstood.

I thought he wanted to know about NMT and that's what you need to do for it. I think you can use just tsMuxeR for most stand alone BluRay Disc players but I'm not sure.

SamuriHL

22nd September 2008, 14:25

I thought he wanted to know about NMT and that's what you need to do for it. I think you can use just tsMuxeR for most stand alone BluRay Disc players but I'm not sure.

Ok, then it was my misunderstanding. :) That's fine. I use TSMuxer on all my discs with no problems.

raymondtrudeau

22nd September 2008, 22:12

sorry the end result the m2ts file will be for the nmt....but first i would use any dvd to rip it to my hard drive then use ts muxer and create 1 m2ts?

EPiPH0NE

23rd September 2008, 02:47

sorry the end result the m2ts file will be for the nmt....but first i would use any dvd to rip it to my hard drive then use ts muxer and create 1 m2ts?

Only if it is MPEG2 you can load the MPLS file into tsMuxeR and mux to TS/M2TS. If it's AVC you need to use eac3to or the audio will go out of sync at the join points on the NMT.

raymondtrudeau

24th September 2008, 04:03

Only if it is MPEG2 you can load the MPLS file into tsMuxeR and mux to TS/M2TS. If it's AVC you need to use eac3to or the audio will go out of sync at the join points on the NMT.

is this only for seamless branch movies? and if i do use eac3to is this just for the audio? i have downloaded the eac3to and the gui..boy does that ever look overwhelming...how do i use that program..thanks iam learning alot...

EPiPH0NE

24th September 2008, 09:22

is this only for seamless branch movies?

Yes. For non seamless branch movies you can just use tsMuxeR if you want if you don't need HD audio.

and if i do use eac3to is this just for the audio?

No, eac3to will also properly join the video as well.

i have downloaded the eac3to and the gui..boy does that ever look overwhelming...how do i use that program..thanks iam learning alot...

Since your new at this you may wanna have a look at ToNMT UI:

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=1786

dat720

25th September 2008, 12:14

eac3to looks overwhelming but its pretty straight forward to use, check out my HDDVD 2 AVI guide i have a run down in there on how to use eac3to. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137128

hidefaddict

26th September 2008, 18:04

I appreciate the effort that went into the guide, but I'm new at ripping Blu-Rays (have been ripping DVDs for years). So I follow all the steps exactly: Rip with AnyDVD, use Tsmuxer to pull out the feature only, create an image with ImgBurn, load with DaemonTools and attempt to play. (I did skip the combining together step, as I only have 1 .m2ts for my feature). Tsmuxer finishes without problem and it looks like a valid BD disc structure. Again, ImgBurn creates the image successfully. I load it up with DaemonTools, but then PowerDVD (or the built in HP BD DVD Play tool that came with my system) refuse to play it. PowerDVD says I need to update - it attempts it, but doesn't actually update anything, and basically stops playback there. HP BD DVD Play does pretty much the same exact routine. I've tried with 2 or 3 different discs and have the same result every time. I'm running Vista 64-bit, if that makes any difference.

Any thoughts/help/advice would be appreciated.

SamuriHL

26th September 2008, 18:08

Yea, ditch Daemon Tools. This problem is starting to get really old now. (Sorry, venting in general, not at you...you didn't know). You need to remove the SPDT driver (or whatever the hell it's called) as well as Daemon Tools doesn't remove it. You need the stand alone installer for that which will be able to uninstall it. Next get yourself a copy of Virtual CloneDrive over at Slysoft's site. It's free and works perfectly for what you're trying to do. I truly wish they'd fix Daemon Tools cause far too many people have this problem and blame everything BUT daemon tools for the problem. Anyway, that'll get you going.

hidefaddict

26th September 2008, 20:09

SamuriHL

26th September 2008, 20:26

QuadcoreHD

26th September 2008, 20:28

Samuri, can you elaborate on the issue you described? I've never had an issue playing any ISOs with Daemon tools.

If there is a problem affecting many people I'd like to update that in the guide.

SamuriHL

26th September 2008, 20:36

Sure. The latest version of Daemon Tools, I believe 4.30_1 or whatever it is, simply causes the issue described above...you mount an ISO of an HD DVD or BD and try to play it in PowerDVD 7 or 8 and PowerDVD says "Hey, I need to update." You let it update, it finds nothing, and we repeat the cycle over again. Going back to a previous version of Daemon Tools will fix the problem, *HOWEVER*, the SPDT driver has it's OWN set of problems. It's been known to cause read speed to drop significantly during ripping operations. On my LG drive I noticed a performance degradation until I removed it from my system. So for me, that's two strikes against DT for my own use. I know people like it and I respect that, but, I'm tired of seeing these stupid problems and people having issues with it. I used it myself for quite some time until VCD was updated to deal with HD media. Since I switched over to only VCD I've had 0 problems. The ability now to create .DVD media descriptor files for your images is really sweet, too, cause you can set the media type that the system sees. This allows things like WinDVD to finally work with mounted images. One complaint against VCD used to be that MyMovies didn't support it, but, that's been changed, as well. So, at this point, there's no good reason not to switch unless you're using the advanced features of DT. This is all just my opinion and if you're happy with DT and it's working for you that's awesome. It's simply not for a great many people. You can find more about this issue on the Slysoft forum but I don't think linking to it would be appropriate(violation of the rules I believe). You can find it in the AnyDVD HD forum's FAQ.

hidefaddict

27th September 2008, 01:13

Yea, that's the one. The latest version of DT caused this wonderful problem. And it's been a real nightmare as people one by one discover it and blame all manner of things for the issue. (AnyDVD is a common target for any and all playback problems.) Virtual CloneDrive works very well and has been updated to make it work with just about any player now if you're using the latest beta.

http://sandbox.slysoft.com/beta/SetupVirtualCloneDrive5408.exe

Thanks so much for your help .... that was exactly my problem. I uninstalled Daemon Tools (and SPDT) and installed Virtual Clone Drive. My image worked successfully, so I knew it was safe to burn to a BD-R. Just got finished checking it out on my Panasonic BD-30 and it works like a charm.

So, apparently this works great for the feature only - does anyone know of any way to keep the menus/features (assuming they can fit on a 25GB BD-R .... no way am I spending the money for 50GB blanks!) I've seen a couple of threads but nothing laid out as nicely as a guide of any kind. You and QuadcoreHD seem to be the experts on this topic. Hope you don't mind me asking in this thread (or maybe you can point me to a proper thread).

Thanks again!

SamuriHL

27th September 2008, 01:15

hidefaddict

27th September 2008, 22:25

Unless things have changed recently, it's still not possible to selectively remove content(previews, extras, etc) and keep the menus. I wish we could. Slysoft is working on a new tool but they're months away from that kind of functionality at best. The best we can currently do is movie only + audio + presentation graphics. I would also love to keep menus but it just isn't possible yet. Some day hopefully. If I'm wrong and someone knows how to do it by all means let me know. :)

For discs that are single layer to begin with, can't you just rip an image of the original as an .iso and then burn out that .iso with ImgBurn??? (or will that not work??) I understand there isn't any kind of "selective" way to strip out particular bonus features, etc on a bigger disc (which is pretty easy these days for SD DVD), but on a single layer disc, it should work - correct????

Thanks again....

SamuriHL

27th September 2008, 22:26

Yup, that'll be fine. But there aren't a whole lot of discs that'll fit without removing stuff.

hidefaddict

27th September 2008, 22:40

Yup, that'll be fine. But there aren't a whole lot of discs that'll fit without removing stuff.

There do seem to be some catalog titles that are pretty much left to 2nd-tier statu and are almost always on single-layer discs. I figured I could use some of those for experimentation ..... and thanks again, I really appreciate all the help - (and so quickly too!) Do you just stay logged on the board constantly??? :)

SamuriHL

27th September 2008, 22:41

Email notification is a wonderful thing. :)

QuadcoreHD

30th September 2008, 19:26

Ok so I've update the guide with information for anyone getting the "Update Error" when using Daemon Tools. I hope this helps out.

-Q

SamuriHL

30th September 2008, 20:24

Awesome. Hopefully that'll help people with that issue.

hidefaddict

1st October 2008, 18:25

It certainly helped me .... I thought for sure I was just doing something wrong when creating my Blu-Ray image. Now everything's working great!

QuadcoreHD

2nd October 2008, 21:14

Great! hopefullly that is the weak-link in the guide. Let me know if anything else needs to be tightened up.

SamuriHL

2nd October 2008, 23:19

Sorry I didn't get that info to you sooner, Quad. :) I figured by now just about everyone knew about the issue. Ah well, at least now they'll know. :)

QuadcoreHD

8th October 2008, 22:30

I still would like to figure out why it has never affected my machine but affects others :P

SamuriHL

8th October 2008, 23:42

You're using the latest PowerDVD build with the latest version of Daemon Tools with a mounted image that has the protection removed? :)

rica

9th October 2008, 02:02

Great! hopefullly that is the weak-link in the guide. Let me know if anything else needs to be tightened up.

Yes, there are some; DT is a trash anymore, i would advise VCD only; safe to use.
Second would be on direct rip from BD:

BDinfo will show you which the first playlist is; i mean *.mpls

and you will load this to new TSMuxer; it is gonna work. (while AnyDVD HD is working on the back-stage)

( Select largest (in actual kb size) .mpls file. Sorry but this is wrong.

Here you will see the main mpls is 00056:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3892/401lf8.th.png (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=401lf8.png)http://img66.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

But on the other hand this file is one of the smallests ones:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5345/402vx4.th.png (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=402vx4.png)http://img72.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php) )

Or you will just use eac3to for demuxing directly from BD/HD Disk:

eac3to D: (for getting playlist info while D is HD/BD drive here)
eac3to D: 1) (for getting track info from the specific playlist)

eac3to D: 1) track no: output folder\video.h264 track no: output folder\ audio.dts.... (for getting specific raw files)

And those will be used for making a new BD by TSMuxer.

Note:
1) No need to make a whole rip onto HDD if you want to just remux the main movie with needed sub-media; demux-remux directly from BD/HD works fine while AnyDVD-HD is working on the back-stage.
2)BDs which including multiple m2ts files, most probably have audio gaps/overlaps and TSMuxer can not correct them while eac3to demuxing does.
3)TrueHD remuxing needs a second pass with TSRemux after making a m2ts with TSMuxer.

So, what i would suggest finally: (for BD/HD)

1)Get playlist and track info with eac3to. (directly)
2)Demux with eac3to. (directly)
3)Remux with TSMuxer (or for TrueHD+TSRemux)
4)Create an image file with ImgBurn.
5)Read that ISO file with Virtual Clone DRive using TMT or PDVD.

_ _ _ _ _

QuadcoreHD

9th October 2008, 05:55

Rica,

Thanks very much for the input - i've made some updates.

To be honest I'm not familar enough with the eac3to process as the TSMuxer GUI is just so easy (for a noob like me) that I've not ever using eac3to. Can you (or someone else) indicate why this would be advantageous over TSMuxer, especially considering this guide is inteded to help beginners?

FYI please don't take my above post as having any hint of sarcasm in it, I truly would appreciate the input.

Thanks to all.

rica

9th October 2008, 15:39

I've not ever using eac3to. Can you (or someone else) indicate why this would be advantageous over TSMuxer, especially considering this guide is inteded to help beginners?

Have a look:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1179013#post1179013

Btw, i just suggested another way which can be used both with BD and HD.
I suggested it especially for multiple m2ts carrying playlists.

best
_ _ _

QuadcoreHD

9th October 2008, 17:01

@rica

Quick question though...if TSmuxer can handle seamless branching via the .MPLS file, why do we need eac3to?

rica

9th October 2008, 17:08

My friend, i made some trials with multiple m2ts carrying playlists; ok TSMuxer makes its job.
But resulting file carries audio gaps/overlaps. TSmuxer can not correct them.

For playlist just carrying one big m2ts file, there is no problem; you can safely use TSMuxer.

SamuriHL

9th October 2008, 17:10

Yea, I have to agree. TSMuxer has some issues with seamless branching titles. It also has issues with TrueHD. Slysoft is working on a new util that will combine a lot of functionality from the various tools but it's not expected to be released any time soon. But once that's out, this guide could definitely change quite a bit as they're going to try to make it really easy to do. In any case, tsmuxer is great but not without problems.

rica

9th October 2008, 17:23

It also has issues with TrueHD.

plus, has issues with PCM...

For audio demuxing/remuxing this might help:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1183559#post1183559

SamuriHL

9th October 2008, 17:24

Does it? I've not had problems with LPCM tracks. But, TrueHD seems to have some issues.

rica

9th October 2008, 17:32

I don't know how you haven't met issues with pcm but i have to use Pcm2Tsmu to correct the issues.

SamuriHL

9th October 2008, 17:35

I haven't done too many movies with LPCM tracks. I've had a few. I'm not changing anything when I do my movie only ISOs. Just selecting the streams I want to keep and output it to a blu-ray folder. So far it's been mostly successful. LPCM has given me the least problems. DTS-MA tracks haven't been much of a problem, either, and actually that's what I prefer. I wish they all had a DTS-MA track.

rica

9th October 2008, 17:44

I wish they all had a DTS-MA track.

So do i :)

QuadcoreHD

9th October 2008, 19:41

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. Once again (smilar to the Daemon tools issue) I've never had a problem with TSMuxer - so thanks very much for bringing this to my attention. I'd really like to update the guide with the Eac3to information, so I'll get to that when I have some time.

Again, thanks to both of you.

setarip_old

12th October 2008, 02:06

Hi!

Rather than mounting an .ISO, has anyone tried "mapping" a drive (I can't, as I have no BluRay equipment [yet] or discs) as follows?:

Click on the "Start" button at the lower left corner of the Windows Desktop. Click on run. Assuming that "Cast_Away" is on your "C:" drive, type the following (without the quotes):

"subst M: C:\Cast_Away" (Make certain to type a space between "M:" and "C:"). This establishes a mapped drive which will be recognized as a DVD drive.

Then, when you've tired of viewing Tom Hanks enamorata, "Wilson", close your player program. Go to the Windows Desktop "Start" button and once again select "Run". Type (without the quotes):

"subst M: /d" (Make certain to type a space between "M:" and "/d"). Yes, the "d" MUST be lowercase.

This will eliminate the mapped drive.

SamuriHL

12th October 2008, 02:36

It won't work. It needs to be UDF 2.5 filesystem.

setarip_old

12th October 2008, 04:10

@SamuriHL

Please enlighten me further (As I said, I'm not presently geared up to check this myself). If you install a UDF2.5 driver on your system, wouldn't it be available via a mapped drive, just as it apparently is via mounting to a virtual drive?

SamuriHL

12th October 2008, 04:16

No, PowerDVD won't see it as a disc. Other players such as Arcsoft TMT can already play from a folder. But PowerDVD can no longer do that as of 7.3 3319a. That functionality has been removed for HD DVD and BD discs. It requires that it be played from a disc that uses udf 2.5. If you make the ISO incorrectly, for example, then PowerDVD won't play it. I'd be very surprised if PowerDVD played from a subst drive. The UDF 2.5 driver allows you to read UDF file systems, not emulate them.

setarip_old

12th October 2008, 04:57

I'm apparently missing something.

Is what typically does work is creating an .ISO image file that uses UDF 2.5 and mounting it to a virtual drive, or is there something more?

If that's all there is to it, I wonder if someone would please be good enough to test my theory?

If there's something else involved, please state what that would be. Thanks ;>}

SamuriHL

12th October 2008, 05:15

Just tried. Failed as I expected it to. PowerDVD doesn't see the "drive" as a drive it can use. It's not listed. So no, it doesn't work.

setarip_old

12th October 2008, 09:06

Thanks ;>}

Did the mapped show as a useable drive for other than BluRay .ISO image files? Did it show up in Explorer?

SamuriHL

12th October 2008, 15:59

It showed in explorer just fine. PowerDVD refuses to see it as a drive. I'm sure if I did the open media files and went to the m2ts directly it'd see it, but, there's no point in that as it doesn't support HD Audio when you open an m2ts directly and you can't switch any of the streams. It picks whatever is default. In any case, the mapped drive idea doesn't work just as I figured it wouldn't. If you make the ISO image wrong it doesn't work, either. PowerDVD is very particular about what it'll play. It *MUST* be udf 2.5 format for BD media or it simply will not play it. If you make it with UDF 1.02, for example, PowerDVD refuses to play it.

setarip_old

12th October 2008, 18:04

It showed in explorer just fine. PowerDVD refuses to see it as a drive.Thanks again, for confirming and clarifying...

SamuriHL

12th October 2008, 18:34

No problem.

frogman

24th October 2008, 00:17

When you guy's make your blu-ray backups For region 1 disc are guy stripping out the chapters and creating a single eg: 10001.m2ts file in your streams folder ie 20 gigs size single file. It's a (tsmuxer option). And then create a .iso in udf 2.50 format (imgburn) "got that". Also when there is 30/1001/fps tsmuxer (when muxed into mkv container and read back using (eac3to) are you guy converting that back to the 29.x fps and is this consider removing pulldowns is this correct? I just playing around with my first blu-ray rip in some open source program offer here and trying to get a grip on the future option of actually storing on HD and much later on when bd disc and burner are reasonable price to having a real hard backup available should I need it.
Ps. My blue nose pitbull loves sony's blu ray demo disc! Somehow he thought it was a biscuit and made lunch with it.

gonwk

1st November 2008, 20:38

Hi QuadCoreHD,

THANKS for the Guide!

G!:thanks:

QuadcoreHD

5th January 2009, 01:29

It's been way over due, but I've finally got a chance to update this guide again. It now reflects truley the easiest way (using TSMuxer) to process BD discs. I know alot of people like eac3to, but I still like TSMuxer for us non-Gui challenged folks. I hope this helps you newbs out there!

Happy New Year!

SamuriHL

5th January 2009, 04:42

Except that TSMuxer has some issues especially when it comes to TrueHD tracks. :)

QuadcoreHD

5th January 2009, 16:41

Except that TSMuxer has some issues especially when it comes to TrueHD tracks. :)

I've read that as well, but I've never had an issues with TrueHD. Can you elaborate on what seems to happen?

SamuriHL

5th January 2009, 23:16

Sure. Try playing back a TrueHD track authored with TSMuxer in Arcsoft TMT. Then the issue will gracefully show itself. :D It no workie.

QuadcoreHD

6th January 2009, 16:21

@SamuriHL

Ok gotcha.

I suppose I should also clarify how I've managed to get this to work, which is that I've followed the method in my guide (using Anydvd, Tsmuxer and Img Burn) then played all .ISOs in PowerDVD while mounted with Daemon Tools.

Even though I had to use a couple of Payware programs, it definitely works (although PowerDVD came with my internal BD player...):P

Also, maybe I'm missing something here, but I too have had the same problem of TrueHD not working when playing the .m2ts created by Tsmuxer directly...this has not worked since I began processing blu-rays. Playing an .m2ts (with a TrueHD audio track muxed in) directly, even in my beloved PowerDVD produces No sound. But, again (and I've never figured out why) this problem is eliminated with the creation of the .ISO

Does anyone have any information on why this is the case?

Finally, it seems to me that, while it might be an issue for streaming to a Ps3 or 360, the creation of an iso is pretty simple (and completely succesful) solution to this...no? This seems too easy, what am I missing? LOL

SamuriHL

6th January 2009, 21:00

Yes, I do. PowerDVD will not play HD audio formats when playing directly from the m2ts. It will only play them from a "disc". And PowerDVD has no problem playing the TrueHD tracks from TSMuxer, but, TMT doesn't like them at all. I'm told they're playing fast and loose with the standard, but, I only know my own experience which isn't so good. I use TMT as my main player now as PowerDVD keeps getting worse and worse with every version.

QuadcoreHD

6th January 2009, 21:08

I agree, I'm still using PowerDVD 7 which works flawlessly.

SamuriHL

6th January 2009, 21:09

No, I'm saying PowerDVD 7 builds are ALSO getting bad. They're screwing up functionality in both 7 and 8. I'm not using PowerDVD anymore at all unless I have problems with TMT which is very rarely.

QuadcoreHD

6th January 2009, 21:14

Oh I see, sorry I misunderstood you. I never upgrade my powerdvd, and still use the version of 7 that came with my BD Rom. I'll check what exact version it is when I get home later (it's a risky game...reading and posting to doom9 while at work without the boss seeing :P)

SamuriHL

6th January 2009, 21:16

I'm on vacation with the family this week, so, I don't have that problem. :D But, I always keep my player up to date as you'll run into issues eventually if you don't with titles not working, etc.

QuadcoreHD

6th January 2009, 21:22

Ahh beutiful...cheers to that friend!

Let me ask you a question (not sure if you will have an answer however):

Is it possible that the sucess I have seem to had with the creation of an .ISO due solely to the fact that I've not upgraadeded my PowerDVD ever?

Also, I havent upgraded it yet, quite frankly, because I never actually watch my BD discs...I hate the previews and the FBI warnings, not to mention I have (and have had for about 9 months now) an obsession with having all my media on hard drives so it can be watched anywhere in the house. So, I only ever watch the titles I've bought after I've extracted streams and converted to ISO. I'm wondering now if the fact that I've never upgraded Power DVD (because I've never had a reason to) is why I've had success with my method while others have had issuess...

Maybe just a rhetorical question but I'd welcome anyone who had thoughts.

SamuriHL

6th January 2009, 21:35

It's because you remake the discs, yes. Extracting the video, audio, and pgs' will create a disc that is compatible with older PowerDVD versions. It's because it loses the BD-J and BD Live stuff on the disc. Those are the features that have caused us all kinds of problems.

QuadcoreHD

6th January 2009, 21:56

SamuriHL

6th January 2009, 22:02

Makes sense. The only issue is that I'm not sure why (it at least seems) that so many people are thrown by TrueHD and the like...it has never once caused an issue with demuxing/muxing/playing any disc I own, and I own close to 90 BD movies at this point.

Because those people are likely NOT using PowerDVD to play them. Either they're using another software or are burning to disc and using a stand alone player or PS3 to play them. I've yet to have an issue with one using PowerDVD. It's the other players that give me problems. Seems Cyberlink doesn't mind out of compliant streams. :D

QuadcoreHD

6th January 2009, 22:26

Understood.

Ok, I think I've (finally) figured it out somewhat. Seems to me however that the method in my guide is still one of the easiest around...especially for newbs like myself :P

setarip_old

6th January 2009, 22:27

@SamuriHL

Hi!

Other than PowerDVD, what other players are capable of playing HD and BluRay media?

SamuriHL

6th January 2009, 22:49

I use Arcsoft TMT myself. WinDVD 9 For Blu-ray is capable. Nero Showtime with the BD plugin was capable, but, I think they no longer sell the plugin. Those are the only players I know of that officially support BD and HD DVD playback. PowerDVD 8 removed HD DVD, but, some of us were able to restore it through a hack. :D PowerDVD 7 still supports it. Arcsoft TMT does. WinDVD never supported it to my knowledge....only BD.

SamuriHL

6th January 2009, 22:58

Understood.

Ok, I think I've (finally) figured it out somewhat. Seems to me however that the method in my guide is still one of the easiest around...especially for newbs like myself :P

I like the method I use. I have a guide I posted on Slysoft as I'm sure you know. It's very simple and uses BDInfo, TSMuxer, and of course AnyDVD HD. BDInfo tells you the mpls to load in order to deal with seamless branching discs. As much as I hate to use TSMuxer, I do use it for my movie only backups...for now. :)

QuadcoreHD

6th January 2009, 23:34

May I ask why you dislike using TSMuxer?

setarip_old

7th January 2009, 00:18

@SamuriHL

Thanks for the info ;>}

SamuriHL

7th January 2009, 01:33

May I ask why you dislike using TSMuxer?

Please don't get me wrong. TSMuxer has been an absolute must have tool for making movie only ISOs. I appreciate having it in my toolkit. So, I don't dislike it. I just find that it has certain issues with certain tasks. TrueHD. Sometimes it has issues with joining multiple m2ts files in a seamless branching title. If you burn the result and play it on some stand alones, you'll see little imperfections at the join spots. Lately I've been using eac3to to rip the streams I want to use and then muxing them back together with TSMuxer. I've not tried this with a TrueHD title to see if this avoids the TrueHD issue, but, there is hope that it might. If not, you can always use TSRemux for authoring the streams back into a blu-ray folder structure. I've not had a lot of time to play around with the eac3to method before I went on vacation but was planning on looking into it more when I got back. Also, it's been said that Slysoft is currently working on a CloneBD type program that'll do all this stuff for us. No ETA when it'll be released, but, at least they are actively working on it. I suspect this will be *THE* tool to have for remaking BD's and HD DVD's. :)

QuadcoreHD

7th January 2009, 20:07

Interesting news samuri (on the CloneBD program). Personally I think the process is way to easy now (isn't it more fun when its difficult:P) but I bet that would really help a lot of people out.

Also, you bring up a good point. I have never actually burned any of my beloved .ISO's to disc...I would expect that if I did, there would probably be many, MANY issues, based on what you said.

SamuriHL

8th January 2009, 21:19

I suspect most of your ISOs would be fine if you burned them depending on what you're playing them back on. TrueHD ISOs may prove to be an issue, and the seamless branching titles MAY show problems at the join points possibly. This is why I'm switching to eac3to to rip the streams I want for now. I wish it had an option to reauthor the streams to a BD folder structure. That'd be ideal.

As for it being easy, trust me when I say it's not easy enough yet for most people. You've seen my movie only guide on Slysoft. I can tell you I get questions on it all the time and I've made it a pretty straightforward and simple process. :) A CloneBD type program will be phenomenal for so many reasons. The only issue is we have absolutely no idea when it'll be ready. So for now, we use the tools we have.

Woody

15th January 2009, 22:34

Hi,

I just bought a LG Blu-Ray reader and eveything went fine ripping a Blu-Ray with AnyDVD HD, but...
I want to remove everything except the main movie, some audio tracks and some subtitles, so I started tsMuxeR.
That's when the problems started. I tried to follow guide:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

but the problems started already when trying to browse the BD drive. I can't really see any files when browsing the drive!!!!
Any suggestions? I have AnyDVD running and then start the tsMuxerGUI. What about the other tsMuxer file (tsMuxeR.exe).
I double-clicked that one but a window only pop-up'ed. Is that correct?

Hoping for an answer! Thanks in advance!

SamuriHL

17th January 2009, 04:33

XP user, right? Install the Toshiba UDF drivers (search on google for them).

woodentom

5th February 2009, 09:55

i have followed the guide and have my iso.

i have found that i need a dual layer rewritable BD as the iso is over 25 gig.

i am wondering when i get the iso burnt, will it play on a PS3?

SamuriHL

5th February 2009, 14:58

Yup. It should.

QuadcoreHD

5th February 2009, 16:31

Make sure to purchase quality media (especially considering the relatively ridiculous price of BD-50 blanks) :P

woodentom

5th February 2009, 17:58

after seeing the price of a dual layer RE (£30)....v expensive.

so can i just shrink my 25 gig + iso to fit a single layer BD?

if so then what should i use

thanks

QuadcoreHD

5th February 2009, 19:27

You would have to re-encode, which is not covered in my guide. I'd recommend using the guide written by Dat720 (referenced with a link in my guide) to "shrink" your iso.

setarip_old

8th February 2009, 03:53

@QuadcoreHD

I'm likely overlooking something obvious, but I seem to have run into a wall diligently following your tutorial.

1) Used IMGBurn to create a UDF 2.5 .ISO image file of the ripped BDMV folder (including its contents) from my hard drive

2) Mounted the .ISO image file onto the "Virtual Clone Drive" (The drive's "Properties", wuith the .ISO mounted, indicates "File system UDF 2.5")

3) Started Power DVD (v.7.3) and selected the "Virtual Clone Drive"

4) Power DVD generates the following ewrror message:A disc with an unsupported format in drive P:"

What am I doing wrong or overlooking?

SamuriHL

8th February 2009, 03:55

Did you select the certificate directory when making your ISO, as well? Both that and the BDMV folder need to be on the root of your image.

setarip_old

8th February 2009, 04:52

@SamuriHL

Thanks for the suggestion, but it made no difference. Although I know stranger things have happened, it's hard to believe that such an (apparently critical) omission in this guide by "QuadcoreHD" could have gone unnoticed for these several months since it was initially posted.

I've got to believe that I have system problems.

Again, thanks for the suggestion ;>}

SamuriHL

8th February 2009, 04:53

What are you using to mount the image? And what version?

setarip_old

8th February 2009, 05:20

@SamuriHL

As i stated, I'm using "Virtual Clone Drive" - The version is 5.4.1.1

SamuriHL

8th February 2009, 05:23

http://sandbox.slysoft.com/beta/SetupVirtualCloneDrive5423.exe

Please try that beta version. Thanks.

setarip_old

8th February 2009, 05:28

Before I do so, have you or anyone else had problems similar to what I've described - and was it attributable to the Virtual Clone Drive v.5.4.1.1?

SamuriHL

8th February 2009, 05:29

Yes. Cyberlink has made it a real pain at times. Just try the beta. It's quite stable.

setarip_old

8th February 2009, 05:41

Unfortunately, same result ;>{

As I previously stated, (based on this and a couple of other small "oddities")I've got to believe that I have system problems.

Again, thanks for the suggestions ;>}

The funny thing is, it WILL play the unmounted M2Ts file (that's located in the "Streams" subdirectory) either by file selection or simple "drag and drop"...

SamuriHL

8th February 2009, 05:52

Right but it won't play them with HD audio. Not really the best way to do things. I recommend trying to figure out these system problems and fixing them. The originals play fine? What about direct ISO rips of the original that are then mounted? (As in not remastered...just straight rips)

rica

8th February 2009, 14:44

You will now need to select the correct .mlps file from that folder, which can be somewhat tricky. It is generally one of the largest files in size in the "PLAYIST" folder, however this is not always the case. The only "good" method to figuring which is the correct playlist file is trial and error. Luckily, I've yet to have to go through more than 3 or 4 of the largest .mlps files until I've found the correct one. You will know you've selected the correct file when:

QuadroCore, i've just taken a look your updated guide, thanks.

If you don't use eac3to, the best way is to use BDInfo.

You don't have to make trial and error, it's gonna find the right main mpls at once.

Just a suggestion.

Best.

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QuadcoreHD

13th February 2009, 07:47

@rica,

You are right on, I have finally gotten time to update the guide. It now includes using BDInfo into part of the process.

Thanks for the sugesstion!

rica

13th February 2009, 22:20

@rica,

You are right on, I have finally gotten time to update the guide. It now includes using BDInfo into part of the process.

Thanks for the sugesstion!

You are welcome my friend.
One of the best guides is yours.

QuadcoreHD

15th February 2009, 23:17

@rica,

I truly appreciate that comment.

I was prompted to write this guide after facing the frustration of finding information on ripping/demuxing/etc... blu-ray discs about a year ago. I know that the trend is going towards eac3to/mkv, that kind of thing, but i just find the AnyDVD/TSMuxer method (and now BDInfo :P) so easy to use, easy to explain (and quite frankly less intimidating for newbies :P ) that I like to try and keep this guide popular. I know that this guide has a few views, and a number of comments, but your praise for its actual usefulness is wonderful. I often wonder if this guide actually helps people, and hopefully it really does!

Anyway, thanks again Rica for the kind words.

setarip_old

16th February 2009, 04:00

@QuadcoreHD

Hi!

Why hasn't your excellent guide (this thread) been made a "Sticky"?

QuadcoreHD

16th February 2009, 05:04

I don't know, but I'd be so lucky to have that happen :)

And as a side note Seta, I know your a person with strict attention to detail, and a wealth of knowledge regarding many topics on this forum. I'm very greatful to receive your comment as well.

Thank you.

rica

16th February 2009, 21:58

Thanks mods, thanks quadcore
:)

This was the right place.

rupps1

22nd February 2009, 00:37

rica

22nd February 2009, 22:18

This is a really great guide and I have been tampering around with the movie WAL-E. I am not sure if this is a Disney thing or not, but when I try to MUX the main movie I can hear the movie with the director overdub from the STREAM folder using Powerdvd I muxed and only get a black screen for video. I can MUX other stream files so I know that TSMUXER is working as it seems to be only the main movie. I alos tried creating the .ISO and also get blackness, yet at least the director is gone. I have tried everything and getting frustrated. I am still a newbie and maybe chose the wrong movie to start with. IF there is any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it, thanks.

Download BDInfo (select v.0.4.1_most stable version):
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/BDInfo/old-versions#download

I suppose you have AnyDVD-HD.

After AnyDVD completed scanning start BDInfo and open the disc with BDInfo.

It will show you the main mpls on the left upper corner.

Open this mpls with TSMuxer.

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rupps1

23rd February 2009, 17:51

Thank you for your response Rica. As a side note I have used all of the tools, especially BDInfo and the main feature has up to four .MPLS files which I tried using. I have been choosing the streaming files mostly becasue TSMuxer gives me some errors when I choose .mpls files. I feel that the real confusion is exactly which .mpls file is the actual one to choose. Like I said, I think Disney may have done their home work on this one. :)

rica

23rd February 2009, 20:44

I feel that the real confusion is exactly which .mpls file is the actual one to choose.

mpls which you see on the upper left corner is always the main mpls. If you are having issues with mpls files in TSMuxer use the main m2ts which you will see on the right side of the main mpls.

rupps1

23rd February 2009, 21:47

Yes, this is exactly what I get as well, except I get three .mpls files to choose from descibing the same feature film, yet with other differing stream files. Would you be kind enough to send a snapshot of your loading the mpls file into TSMuser just to make sure I amd loading correctly? Thanks.

QuadcoreHD

23rd February 2009, 22:12

@rupps1

Maybe I'm missing something here, but just open the .MLPS identified by BDInfo in TSmuxer. It's extremely easy, and I'm not sure what is causing you issue.

BDInfo will identify the .MLPS file you need to open in TSMuxer. Open it in TSMuxer, chose your streams and that's it.

Thanks.

rica

23rd February 2009, 22:22

Yes open your main mpls (in our sample 0003.mpls), it is under BDMV\STREAM.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4108/001xvz.th.png (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001xvz.png)

When you open the mpls you will see the main m2ts:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9310/002i.th.png (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002i.png)

rupps1

24th February 2009, 00:43

YEs, this is item by item I used to find the exact .m2ts file. This is what is puzzling. I can play the main feature, as I said with director dialog, from the STREAM folder with all video. Once I MUX this file it is always black. In fact there seems to almost be an overlay in which it looks like a silouette of people on a couch, but still black. When MUXed this still apprears but at least the directors voice is gone and the movie just plays. I am thinking that Disney has added something to their file, unless they rearange the order of the Video and audio, just a guess.

rupps1

24th February 2009, 00:58

P.S.- I also see you have "TS MUXING" selecting and not "Create Blu-Ray disk". Is this the correct way or is the create Blu Ray supposed to be selected?

setarip_old

24th February 2009, 01:13

@rupps1

Hi!when I try to MUX the main movie I can hear the movie with the director overdub from the STREAM folder using Powerdvd I muxed and only get a black screen for video.What happens when you play the ORIGINAL BluRay disc with PowerDVD?

rica

24th February 2009, 01:30

P.S.- I also see you have "TS MUXING" selecting and not "Create Blu-Ray disk". Is this the correct way or is the create Blu Ray supposed to be selected?

This is default not by selected by myself.
Selecting BD doesn't change the result.

rupps1

24th February 2009, 01:52

When originally played in PowerDVD there is a clean video, except the director narrates over the film. It seems to be some setting in TSMuxer that doens't translate. When I play the newly Muxed STREAM file that is whn it shows black.

rupps1

24th February 2009, 02:21

I just tried to Mux this again. It takes 45 min. If you see the sihouette, there seems to be some kind of overlay.

setarip_old

24th February 2009, 02:21

I believe you've misunderstood my question, since "tsMuxeR" would not be involved in what I'm asking you.

Again, what happens when you play the ORIGINAL BluRay disc (the commercial BluRay disc that you purchased) with PowerDVD?

rupps1

24th February 2009, 02:35

Oh, sorry. I can play the disk just fine.

setarip_old

24th February 2009, 04:02

From the images you've posted, it appears that you're using a very old version of tsMuxeR...

rupps1

24th February 2009, 13:22

REALLY?? I just downloaded this last week. IS there a better site to download this from?

QuadcoreHD

24th February 2009, 16:05

@rupps1,

I've just read through you're most recent posts, and you are somewhat all over the place...if you approach this step-by-step and verify/follow the steps outlined, you will almost surely be able to get this to work correctly. That being said, please don't take this as an attack, but at the same time, let's try and focus so we can resolve this issue :)

First off, make sure you have the most-up-to-date version of TSMuxer.
Secondly, make sure you select "Create Blu-Ray Disc" in TSMuxer
Thirdly, make sure you create an .ISO of that using ImgBurn.
Please check and confirm what version of PowerDVD you are running

Can you confirm, first, that you have completed these steps exactly as described?

Please be patient, we'll resolve this for sure :P

rupps1

25th February 2009, 02:27

Ok, I will try my best at the step by step:

1) I used BD info per the guide to try and find the proper .M2TS file. BDInfo indicates there are three different .mpls files associated to the main feature or 2003.M2TS file. I then verify this file using PowerDVD (Version 7.3 which came with the burner). This main feature will run yet I hear an overdub of the director describing the film.
2) Using Ts Muxer (now version 1.8) I mux the same .M2TS file to a new folder. When I verify the newly created STREAM folder with the new muxed .M2TS using PwerDVD, the video is black with the same director overdub. The blackness is strange because there seems to almost be a black filter and eventually a kind of black silhouette with people on a couch eventually shows ont eh screen. I have checked other .M2TS files and there is one file that does show the PIXAR intro with people sitting on a couch, yet this .MPLS file is not designated in BDInfo.
3) I use ImgBurn (version 2.4.2.0) to create a .ISO file. Using PowerDVD, the video is also black with the silhouette, yet at least the audio is the true main feature movie without the director overdub.

I hope this makes sense and as I stated before I am thinking that Disney has done their homework on this one. Any information is much appreciated, thanks.

rupps1

25th February 2009, 03:14

Here alos what I have listed from BDinfo

setarip_old

25th February 2009, 05:51

@rupps1

The main movie .M2TS of "WALL_E" contains 3 audiostreams: a 64 bit 6 channel .DTS audostream of the actual movie audio, plus 2 two-channel .AC3 "Director's Commentaries" audiostreams.

If all you've done using PowerDVD is either open the .M2TS file from your hard drive or from an UNMOUNTED .ISO image file ("QuadcoreHD" overlooked telling you to use either "Virtual Clone Drive" or "Daemon Tools" to MOUNT the .ISO image file to a virtual drive), your "good friends" at Cyberlink/PowerDVD will refuse to play the DTS audiostream and, while doing so, totally screw up the playback of the video...

Once you've MOUNTED your .ISO image file, IF YOUR SYSTEM MEETS Cyberlink's BluRay playback "requirements" (CPU, videocard) PowerDVD will "see" your .ISO image file as a disc in a drive - and should then play it properly.

As an alternative, to simply play the .M2TS, use "EAC3to" (plus one of its several GUIs) to downconvert the .DTS audiostream to 16 bit, 640kbps .AC3 audio...

QuadcoreHD

25th February 2009, 15:47

@rupps1,

WALL-E definitely works with the method in my guide beacuse i purchased the movie when it came out and have processed it in the same way :P

One thing that is curious - you mention there are 3 .mlps files that play the main movie....i don't beleive this is the case, there should only be 1 as far as I remember. Unforutnately I'm at work right now and can't verify this claim, so please excuse me if I'm wrong. You need to find which .mlps playlist file is the correct one. Do this by opening them individiually. From what I remember, most Disney/Pixar BDs have both 480p and 1080p streams when the correct .mlps is selected (please note i'm referring to opening these in TSMuxer. Open the files referenced by BDInfo one by one). Make sure to only check the steams you need - let's try getting rid of the 480 stream, and only keep the master audio track (don't select PGCs either). Once you've done this, repeat the process outlined in the guide.

ALso, go to this link and make sure your system is equiped to play Blu_Ray discs:

http://www.cyberlink.com/stat/bd-support/enu/index.jsp

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***IMPORTANT*****

Please post a screenshot of BDinfo after it has analyized the disc as well as a shot of TSMuxer after you've opened the correct .mlps file.

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LAstly, if trying what i've outlined does not work, I'd like you to rip the entire disc to your HDD then try it again.

Please let me know how this goes.

PS. Remember: this process DOES work for WALL-E because i've processed this movie sucessfully :P

rupps1

26th February 2009, 00:07

You guys ROCK!
The problem was definately the wrong version of TS Muxer. Per your instructions in the first guide, I used the old version and was never able to open or insert .mpls files at all. The new version allows me to open these fiels and choose the correct files per Quad's previous mention after I removed the uneeded files. Thank you for all of your help, much appreciated.

One last thing. This is probably a stupid question, but if I wanted to burn to a Blu Ray, do I burn from the .ISO or the new DDMV files that was created from TS Muxer? (again, much appreciation)

rica

26th February 2009, 00:39

Iso with ImageBurn; udf 2.5. And Virtual Clone Drive.

setarip_old

26th February 2009, 01:55

@rupps1The problem was definately the wrong version of TS Muxer.Glad to hear that my pointing that out to you resulted in your success ;>}

Congratulations!

kyoshiro378

7th April 2009, 18:17

my anydvd HD get error when i ripped it from disc to hardisk
anyone can help me solve this problem?

error processing blu-ray disc!
please check anydvd status windows for details

Total size: 21836032 sectors (42648 MBytes)
Video Blu-ray label: MARLEY_AND_ME
Media is AACS protected!
Media is BD+ protected!
Failed to remove BD+, Error 668!
ERROR processing Blu-ray disc!
why can this happen?

SamuriHL

7th April 2009, 18:40

Marley and Me is using a version of BD+ copy protection that is not yet supported by AnyDVD. I understand that they are working on it. I would expect an update to AnyDVD that supports that title in a few days, although I can't be sure when they'll have it done. I do know from the Slysoft forum that they're working on it.

QuadcoreHD

7th April 2009, 20:07

Is it correct to say that this is the first time slysoft has not been ahead of new versions of copy protection? Not a big deal, they are great at what they do, but just wondering.

SamuriHL

7th April 2009, 20:22

No, that's definitely not correct. BD+ is an evolving protection mechanism. There have been several times in the past where new versions came out that Slysoft has to work on breaking. They will be dealing with this one, as well, but, it will take some time.

QuadcoreHD

8th April 2009, 18:16

Got it, I guess I had just never experienced that issue (i.e. the few times I've had problems it was because I was a version behind the newest release because I hadn't downloaded/installed it yet). Slysoft people are the best.

SamuriHL

8th April 2009, 18:19

I know they're working on the latest BD+ titles so it's only a matter of time. They do indeed rock.

loo3aem3ON

8th April 2009, 19:03

krosswindz

9th April 2009, 06:40

As i understand it's not a BD+ issue instead the content code is interacting with the Java programs (BD-J) which are on the discs as well. I believe SlySoft doesn't have a proper BD-J platform so they have to reverse engineer the (obfuscated) java classes every time a new batch of BD+ corrupted discs is released.

I made a simple BD-J platform several months ago.

The conversion tables (fix-up tables) are rather big so it's impractical to ship them all in a database together with AnyDVD-HD.

I guess this can be worked around if AnyDVD-HD could probably contact their server with vuk or some other uniquely identifying key for the movie and get that over the internet. True that if you dont have internet connectivity this wouldnt work. Sorry about being off-topic in here.

kyoshiro378

10th April 2009, 20:15

any other way to dercrypt to hardisc for BD+?

SamuriHL

10th April 2009, 20:17

Get AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 and it should resolve it for you. They punched out a ton of updates yesterday.

kyoshiro378

10th April 2009, 20:37

are you use AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 mr samuri? and you try AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 this software and can resolve BD+?

SamuriHL

10th April 2009, 20:44

I have updated to that version, yes. I do not have any of the problem BD+ discs that have been reported. However, watching the flurry of updates yesterday on the Slysoft forum I can tell you that there are still some discs that don't work, but, a lot of them were fixed. So my advice stands, try the latest version with your disc and see if it works. If not, then I would visit the Slysoft forum and post a log for your movie and they will add it to the list of discs to fix. Nonetheless, I know Marley and Me Region A was on the list of discs fixed in this version of AnyDVD.

kyoshiro378

10th April 2009, 20:54

ok i will try later??? thanks very much mr samuri.... and i want to ask you mr? are can authoring blu-ray mr?

SamuriHL

10th April 2009, 20:59

Not sure what you're asking exactly. I don't do any burning of Blu-rays myself although I have the ability to do so on 2 of my machines. I tend to make my backups as ISO images and store them on large hard drives. I play them back with TMT3 paired with a Xonar HDAV 1.3 which is truly awesome. I'm using a program called ClownBD (the author was spoofing the CloneBD program that Slysoft is reportedly working on) that ties together a lot of freeware apps to make a movie only backup in ISO form. It's really nice. Nonetheless, I don't want to be pimping another solution to backups in QuadCore's very nice backup guide. (Sorry for the OT stuff, Quad.)

sygrup

11th April 2009, 06:11

dat720, you did exactly what you mean, I do not understand you

kyoshiro378

13th April 2009, 09:18

Mr Samuri AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 it's done... thanks. but my AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 use trial? can you give me AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 not use trial?

SamuriHL

13th April 2009, 14:24

I'm not following. You have a registered version of AnyDVD that is now showing as a trial with 6.5.4.0? If that's the case, then you'll need to contact Slysoft about that. I can't help with registration issues as I don't work for them.

QuadcoreHD

15th April 2009, 06:27

blutach

15th April 2009, 08:11

Mr Samuri AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 it's done... thanks. but my AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 use trial? can you give me AnyDVD 6.5.4.0 not use trial?Please do not ask for warez. This is not that kind of board. :readrule: especially rule 6.

Regards

SamuriHL

15th April 2009, 14:37

not to put words in anyones mouth, but I think he's asking for a full version of anyDVD. Hopefully if this what he is in fact doing, he'll take a look at the rules before proceeding.

Oh and on a sidenote, Samuri, please don't ever feel that you have to apologize to me for going "off topic" lol. You're dispensing (as usual) excellent information. Not to mention you've helped me more times than I can count with various issues, and I can sorta count pretty high :P

I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on the registration thing, but, yea, my instinct told me he was asking for a pirated version. I was hoping a gentle "go contact Slysoft about your broken registration information" would guide them to the right place. :)

As for the apology I just felt that I was steering him to a potentially competing solution to this guide and felt the apology was warranted. But, even though this guide is very useful and fairly straightforward, I can understand how some people who are new at this might like a point and shoot interface. That's the only reason I mentioned it here.