Mysterious downgrade to IBX 6000.6324

[Oneill5491]

For some reason, some people's DRM components are being downgraded to the IBX 11.0.6000.6324 version from 11.0.6000.7000. Normally, this would be good news since it seems that the 6324 version is easier to decrypt using various programs. Unfortunately, the downgrade, by some mysterious cause (Vista SP1 installation perhaps?) introduced new programming that renders programs such as FairUse and DRMDBG useless. I'm not sure if Rhapsody did this (which I'm using), but a visit to Microsoft's DRM security component upgrade site is of no use as it seems to recognize the 6324 version as being most current. Has anybody encountered this and found a remedy? Or will I have to resort to using a program like TuneBite again?

[drummer7]

1. It's NOT just Rhapsody. As you mention. Even MSFTs individuation site is sending it.

2. It's not just Vista. It's also happening in XP.

This is just the newest version of DRM... and obviously MSFT is doing this to obfuscate by going back to a number they have already used.. but guess what.. ;)

Seems to me, for the most part, they have been winning this war for the last year or so.

[GrofLuigi]

1. It's NOT just Rhapsody. As you mention. Even MSFTs individuation site is sending it.

2. It's not just Vista. It's also happening in XP.

This is just the newest version of DRM... and obviously MSFT is doing this to obfuscate by going back to a number they have already used.. but guess what.. ;)

Seems to me, for the most part, they have been winning this war for the last year or so.

If this is true, then they are really committed to DRM. No other Microsoft product (component of product) is updated so frequently and with such dedication.

There goes down the water the story at Vi$ta's lauch that they were 'forced' by big studios to implement DRM on OS level. Who can blackmail them anyway?

GL

[drummer7]

It's easy to hate MSFT for their actions because they are big. But they have committed to the industry to create a DRM product that is not easily cracked.

The companies buying this product expect it to be undefeated by hackers.

In my opinion MSFT is only doing their job, and in this case, they are doing a fairly good job.

I hope, just like most here, that there is a solution to the latest IBX version as soon as possible.

[noclip]

So is there any progress being made on decrypting this version?

[vulc4n]

So is there any progress being made on decrypting this version?

I hope so. :S

[Ajax_Undone]

People you can buy a CD you can purchase DRM free music from Amazon you can pay the extra 15 to 30 cents on Itunes and get it DRM free from them.... Just give up on WMP and all subscrips services dealing with this type of copy protection...

If you like the way WMP or Zune media software organizes it... Just the way you want buy a CD rip to mp3 or purchase the MP3's from Amazon...

If you like Itunes purchase the DRM free from them or from Amazon...

Simple drop WMP like a rock and live free...

[stesmi]

Isn't this supposed to be a technical discussion and not a philosophical one? What you just wrote have been written countless times by countless people and it didn't help back then (either).

[Ajax_Undone]

Well if you avoid the problem then what exists (more philosophical food for though) The Current WMP DRM has been reverted back to an older version with tree times the obfuscation...
All I am saying is why give your money for Crapt music and paying for DRM licencing in the process... The only way to force a change in the direction of killing off DRM is not to buy anything with it...

No money no development no DRM see how that works...

Besides that I believe "I hope so?" is a philosophical question I figured I would answer it as such...

[noclip]

Ajax_Undone:

A lot of good that advice does me when I'm trying to decrypt music I've already bought.

[heyholetsgo]

Damn it. Isn't there going to be any update soon, sonce nobody cares?
Where are all the coders.....:thanks:

[wetlegs6]

It's happened to me :(

Just tried to strip some stuff, opened up drmdbg and noticed it said 6324...got a bit confused...

We need a solution :(

[appleoooo]

Is there any way to work around this? This happened to me... And drmbg used to work for me even with ibx v11.0.6001.7000 vista sp1... Just the zune update 2.5 got me... :( Please coders, this is the new epidemic here.. I dont want to go back to crappy limewire to download songs... edit: I know the rules... I was just, seriously, testing you guys. Make sure you were on the ball.. I buy the zune points and download song that way.

[stesmi]

I'm sure that if there were updates, they'd write about them. Lots of people are waiting but only some are doing. It'll take as long as it takes.

[consultant]

Holy cow! I just wasted a fricken day working on this problem. My friend gave me his new notebook to setup fairuse4wm on. I hadn't had to set it up in a long time. I still use XP, make sure never to upgrade WMP and everything works great.

This was my first time using Windows Vista. Oh my God it sucks for the power user. There is so much protection junk going on it took me an hour to figure out how to delete a directory even though his logon account was in the administrator group. User Access Control had to be disabled and I enabled the Admin account. Lots of other things suck about Vista but that's another thread.

So I digress. All the instructions on the web refer to WMP / IBX 11.0.6000.6324 working with fairuse4wm 1.3 fix 2. So I'm going out of my mind why mirakagi 'cannot find encrypted code chunks' and fairuse recover keys fails too. Tried deleting DRM and using MS site to individualize. tried deltting again and just playing one of my downloaded Yahoo Music files.

This whole time I found it odd that 90% of the info/forum posts out there about fairuse4wm and Vista don't go past August 2007!? It's like there's very little info/discussion about it between then and now.

So do I understand this right, to really screw with people like me, Microsoft releases a new IBX that has a version that is the same as an older IBX version? So people like me that haven't had to install in a long time are pulling there hair out. I have to hand it to them, pretty good trick.

What if I downgrade to WMP 10 Beta 2 on Vista? Will that take care of it? Or is it a problem when you set up the individualization no matter what version of WMP you are running?

[consultant]

One more thing. If this trick is really true, that they are releasing new IBX and re-using older version numbers, guys that are posting web pages like this:

http://www.undrm.info/faq/removing-DRM/faq-Remove-DRM-from-Windows-Media-Player-files-with-FairUse4WM1.3.htm

NEED TO UPDATE THEIR SITES so people like me to waste hours and hours wondering why it doesn't work.

[stesmi]

Sad it doesn't work for you and yes, that's exactly what they did. However, don't be angry at people that write instructions that are free that, at the time of writing, are correct. Also - there's lots and lots of posts about that exact problem here on the forums (which you obviously know about since you regged in May 2004). The people that write those instructions don't have to write anything.

So status is that currently yes, the latest IBX has the same version number as the third-latest one but tools that worked with the third-latest one just don't and there's bugger all we can currently do about it. On Vista, I read (haven't tried myself) that you can't downgrade WMP to beta2 (to get an earlier IBX) - that trick works on XP only.

[noclip]

XP SP2 virtual machine with Windows Media Player 9 worked for me.

[stesmi]

That's assuming the media will work with that setup. More than one site doesn't.

[consultant]

Just some more info to add to the mix...

I'm using my older notebook as my newer one is in the shop being repaired. Both run Win XP. I noticed that on this old notebook the Yahoo Jukebox setting for adding tracks to My Music was not set to download the song to the local drive. It is running WMP 10.

So I changed the setting. Downloaded a song. Attempted to play it. Got a Yahoo Warning with the Play button grayed out even though I was logged in. However when I went to play the local downloaded copy of the song a second time, it played. So I'm assuming I got the warning because it needed to download the DRM files from Yahoo.

So I downloaded the latest copy of fairuse4wm 1.3 fix 2. Didn't do anything else. Ran it, recovered the keys, and successfully removed the DRM from the song I downloaded of Yahoo. I of course deleted the song thereafter since I didn't buy it.

But I never got any prompt to upgrade my Yahoo Music Jukebox, WMP, or anything. I went and viewed the IBX version of IndivBox.key in c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\DRM and it is version 11.0.5497.6285 !

So if people say their unDRM software has stopped working recently and their IBX is the 11.0.6000.6324 version, AND it is happening on both Vista AND XP, then this means it is a problem with Windows Media Player 11. It appears you don't get the new uncompatible IBX if you are running an older version of WMP.

Seems to me what happened is that a fairuse4wm version was released (1.3 fix 2) that worked with WMP 11 and everyone got all excited and upgraded to WMP 11 because of it and ended up screwing themselves as Microsoft is focusing on releasing 'fixes' (or in the case of unDRM software 'breaks') to only the latest version of WMP.

I thought the IBX was independent of the Media Player though. As you can see even though I'm running WMP 10, my IBX version starts out at 11. So it seems to indicate that Microsoft is pushing different IBX's for different versions of WMP, OR, they (or Yahoo or Napster, etc.) just aren't requiring an IBX update if you aren't running WMP 11?

Bottom line is that it appears if you can roll back to earlier WMP you are fine? I'll know for sure in a bit as I'm installing XP on a Virtual PC on my friends Vista machine and will install WMP 10.

[consultant]

Boy I'm sure glad I don't run Vista. Learning what all the complaints are about working with my friends computer. I believe the problem could be fixed simply by installing an older version of WMP on Vista. However, I just found out, that's impossible as it is now a fixed part of the operating system that cannot be rolled back! You can only roll it back in XP!

So now I see why the big need to un Virtual PC on Vista.

[sonicbox]

By the why i am paying for songs on zune software, i got the 1month pass.:mad:This is in violation of forum rules, appleoooo. "Fair use" is not to steal subscription content. Discussions should only be about purchased & non-rented material. You are NOT paying for the right to own the music with a 1 month pass.

Note that Microsoft/Zune sells unprotected 320Kbps MP3 content, when allowed, making DRM a non-issue.

[wetlegs6]

Boy I'm sure glad I don't run Vista. Learning what all the complaints are about working with my friends computer. I believe the problem could be fixed simply by installing an older version of WMP on Vista. However, I just found out, that's impossible as it is now a fixed part of the operating system that cannot be rolled back! You can only roll it back in XP!

So now I see why the big need to un Virtual PC on Vista.

In the same way you can't 'roll back' past WMP8 in XP you mean? Not that it's relevant at all with this discussion, but don't rag on Vista.

If you really want to, it's perfectly possible to install an older version of WMP in Vista. It takes some effort but can be done.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that patience is a virtue and a solution will be created soon.

[consultant]

So in summary, MS to cause confusion and havoc released a new IBX under an older version number because all info on the net says this older version number works. Hopefully all the websites publishing information on setting up fairuse4wm will update with this new info soon as to save many others from the frustration of trying to make it work when they think they have the correct IBX.

The new IBX appears to only be installed if you are running WMP 11.

In Vista, Microsoft widely made WMP 11 part of the operating system so you cannot uninstall it and downgrade it. I'm sure they did this specifically to strengthen DRM. I imagine it has been a major embarassment to them that there DRM has been defeated fairly easily and those companies paying lots of money are pissed of that programs like fairuse4wm are floating around.

If you run XP, just downgrade to WMP10, delete your DRM directory and re-individualize. (I'm not 100% sure that will work, if not, downgrade to WMP 9).

If you run Vista, currently, once again, the only way to use unDRM software is to install Virtual PC 2007 (ignore messages that it doesn't support your OS if you are running Vista Home). Install Win XP and run SP2 update which puts you at WMP 9 (I though it would at least take you to 10 but I think 10 should be fine too.) Then you can use fairuse4wm and other similar programs running XP in Virtual PC. DO NOT UPGRADE YOUR WMP after that.

Downside is, at least on my notebook, I can't use it to play streaming audio from the subscription networks as the sound is crackly. But then I only use Virtual PC to run fairusew4wm.

Lastly, if someone updates fairuse4wm to work with the new IBX, then the Virtual PC route will no longer be needed for Vista users on WMP 11.


I think (hope) I got it all right.

[rernst]

So in summary, MS to cause confusion and havoc released a new IBX under an older version number because all info on the net says this older version number works. Hopefully all the websites publishing information on setting up fairuse4wm will update with this new info soon as to save many others from the frustration of trying to make it work when they think they have the correct IBX.

The new IBX appears to only be installed if you are running WMP 11.

In Vista, Microsoft widely made WMP 11 part of the operating system so you cannot uninstall it and downgrade it. I'm sure they did this specifically to strengthen DRM. I imagine it has been a major embarassment to them that there DRM has been defeated fairly easily and those companies paying lots of money are pissed of that programs like fairuse4wm are floating around.

If you run XP, just downgrade to WMP10, delete your DRM directory and re-individualize. (I'm not 100% sure that will work, if not, downgrade to WMP 9).

If you run Vista, currently, once again, the only way to use unDRM software is to install Virtual PC 2007 (ignore messages that it doesn't support your OS if you are running Vista Home). Install Win XP and run SP2 update which puts you at WMP 9 (I though it would at least take you to 10 but I think 10 should be fine too.) Then you can use fairuse4wm and other similar programs running XP in Virtual PC. DO NOT UPGRADE YOUR WMP after that.

Downside is, at least on my notebook, I can't use it to play streaming audio from the subscription networks as the sound is crackly. But then I only use Virtual PC to run fairusew4wm.

Lastly, if someone updates fairuse4wm to work with the new IBX, then the Virtual PC route will no longer be needed for Vista users on WMP 11.


I think (hope) I got it all right.

Can't downgrade in most cases as pretty much everyone requires WMP 11 at this point.

[stesmi]

Actually most don't but more and more are starting to require it.

[TheCole]

I hope that there will be a technical discussion. Even if Amazon were to host the content I want (they don't), I wouldn't trust them with my personal data.

Isn't this supposed to be a technical discussion and not a philosophical one? What you just wrote have been written countless times by countless people and it didn't help back then (either).

[gbglass2000]

Will installing windows xp service pack 3 cause a downgrade?

Well if anyone tried sp3 please write how well drmdbg and freeme2/drm2wmv works with it.

[Ajax_Undone]

The "coders" are far to busy coding useful software and many aren't going to put them selves at the mercy of the DCMA Gods By analyzing data streams to undrm songs that will in the end give them no benefit but a big lawsuit and time in jail/prison.

The answer is simple your songs are stuck. Anybody serious about Music will not buy from Apple or WMP stores because of DRM... Lot of the times hard knocks and bruised knees are the only lessons that we learn...

I deleted almost $200 USD of music purchased off of WMP store Napster, because I found that once I had unDRMed the songs they were still crippled by 128 kbps-vbr and were not MP3's or Wave and my new Ipod could do nothing to play them with out re encoding them to mp3 /acc and causing more loss...
I know how most of you feel but if you buy the CD you have the music pre archived on that disk... Rip it and put in a case and save it...

Since then I stopped carring about DRM on WM and Itunes... Just buy the CD's. Right now have a great collection of every song I ever wanted...

P.S. Walmart Edits there CD's in Utah so I wouldnt buy from them...

[consultant]

Running Yahoo Music Jukebox with Y! Unlimited Service. Yesterday I think all the sudden I got a message in the Jukebox that I couldn't play a song cause I didn't have the rights. Closed and reopened the player and it worked fine.

Went to undrm some mp3's I accidentally deleted a while back and Fairuse4WM failed. (I'm running XP). It worked a couple days ago. So I delete DRM folder and re-individualize. All the sudden I have the dreaded new spoofed IBX version!

So I go to run WMP to make sure I'm still running V10, It's "Welcome to WMP 11" !!! I don't EVER automatically install updates and always review the Windows updates. How the heck to V11 of WMP get on my machine! Time to roll back. Hopefully Yahoo isn't forcing use of WMP 11?

Did Microsoft hide a WMP update under a "Security Update" ?

[consultant]

Rolled back to WMP 10. Delete DRM File. Re-individualized. Re-acquired license for some songs. Can't recover keys. The dreaded IBX 11.xxxx.6324 even with WMP 10 on XP. Am I forgetting something or am I just the first one to discover us XP people are now screwed? Do I need to go back to WMP 9.

I noticed on the individualization process it says it needs to Upgrade Some Security Components. Is that another way of saying let us modify your machine to accept the new .6324 IBX?

[Ajax_Undone]

Sorry Mate there isn't anything that anybody can do or is willing to do... XP Vista don't matter they are the same basic OS with the same basic software...

I noticed on the individualization process it says it needs to Upgrade Some Security Components. Is that another way of saying let us modify your machine to accept the new .6324 IBX?

No that to verify to the music store that the songs you have belong to the music store from which they were purchased...

[Splatted]

Rolled back to WMP 10. Delete DRM File.

Actually, this worked for me

1) rolled back to wmp10 & uninstall wmp runtime 11
2) deleted drm folder (without doing this, I end up with IBX 6000.6324 at step 4)
3) ran this "mf" update, then clicked the 'upgrade' button:
(http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=75378
4) played the video file and was promted to upgrade component. I downloaded it.
5) IBX corresponded with 5497.6285
6) reaquired licences for all video files I had
7) ran fairuse4wm .. worked fine.

as an aside, I'm using XP SP3

edit, not sure if step 3 is even important to others, but I have a bug in playing my video files if I don't run this

[Ajax_Undone]

If none of you have browsed the News section Rhapsody (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=139116)has gone to MP3 as well...

[Ajax_Undone]

Dude don't cross post *Rule 8* (http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm)

[heyholetsgo]

The "coders" are far to busy coding useful software and many aren't going to put them selves at the mercy of the DCMA Gods By analyzing data streams to undrm songs that will in the end give them no benefit but a big lawsuit and time in jail/prison.
Well, I think coders who are able to crack DRM know how to protect themselves. Just use an open Wlan or a hotspot to post you "hack" and the chances they catch you tend to 0....


So I think it is actually sad that nobody is trying to give the industry what they deserve.
If somebody would do that, his/her Nickname is going to be known all over the world.
That's imo enough motivation, don't you think?

[Ajax_Undone]

I am sure that works out great considering that most people here in the US have the NSA Creeping down there cracks... Not every bit is secure there are always leaks... Thats like being so ignorant to think that SSL web browser encryption really works to keep people out... The point being it is a waste of time most of us and them have moved on for the fallowing reasons

1. The sound quality sucks...
2. The algorithm never changes it just gets further obfuscated... Wheres the fun in that...
3. For the most part I believe people use the software to rip off subscription material rather then for fair use...
4. Its funner to hack if its not already broken into...
5. And like I've said its stupid to mess with whats broken when new cost the same amount...
6. Open wlans and other rarely allow file upload or download unless its from an unsuspecting neighbor or your own.

Now if you feel that releasing a program in that way is safe feel free. Just know its not going to be my code...

Cheers

[endgame]

Apparently many content providers now don't allow you to click Play (it remains greyed out) unless it is the latest version of WMP.

So can someone please confirm for me that there is no decoding software out there, for this latest version of DRM? (other than copying it while it plays)

[Splatted]

5. And like I've said its stupid to mess with whats broken when new cost the same amount...


I agree with this, however this seems to be mainly true for music/video content available in the English language.

For many other parts of the world the choice is only between pirate sites and drm'ed pay sites for obtaining music, and if people want to do the right thing and PAY for their music they are stuck with an inferior product.

My hope is that this project will still continue for the sake of the rest.

[Ajax_Undone]

The project created was FU4WM the problem is that there isn't enough people who care to reverse engineer that program and fix the timings and count...

Now there is a way to grab the file while its in memory playing, like hymn project did for Itunes... The problem is that if your going to go that far you might as well just search for the encryption keys...

If anyone can get hold of viodentia and get hands on the original source he's the only one who has studied up on this enough be able to brake it...

The audio CD and audio DVD's are not a bad place to look either...

[wadster21]

Has there been any update to this issue yet?

I've tried all the different methods such as the "downgrading to WMP 10", "installing virtual pc", etc, without any luck. I am able to get an older IBX version, but everything goes downhill as soon as I install the Zune software to download the licenses for my protected files. It automatically changes it back to the "new" 11.0.6000.6324. I'm under the impression that I have to install Zune to get the licenses, since when I use fairuse4wm without it, it says that I do not have the license for the protected file.

Is there something I am missing? Do I just have to wait until an updated fairuse4wm is made that can defeat the "new" 11.0.6000.6324? Thanks.

[Splatted]

I'm under the impression that I have to install Zune to get the licenses, since when I use fairuse4wm without it, it says that I do not have the license for the protected file.

Is there something I am missing?

I am not familiar with Zune, so take what I am about to say with a grain of salt.

In my circumstance, (referring to a a different site for downloading my video files), alll that is really required for me to be prompted to get the new licence (under the rolled-back IBX) is simply to play the file.

In my case, I get prompted to enter a username/password and the new licence under the old IBX is given.

Immediately after this, I remove the protection using fairuse4wm.

Again, I don't know what you need to go through in order to play your files (as I am not familiar with ZUNE). If the act of "playing" your file can only be initiated through the zune software itself, then you will have problems. Try experimenting with other media players if this is the case to see if you can get around this (and leave the setting "automatically download media licences" switched to ON, in the media players you end up using)