RiData DL DVD-R Burn Failure--Log & Some Qs

[BassPig]

While I've burned hundreds of DVD-R TDK single layer discs on this workstation, today was the first time we bought and attempted a burn on a DL media. We bought RiData from Meritline.

First, a quick observation: when I opened the package, and took out the first disc, I was struck by the filthy condition of the discs--there were particles/contaminants all over the disc. These don't look like they were packed in a cleanroom environment. I did my best to blow off loose particles before placing the first disc in the Pioneer DVR-112D burner.

Nero 8 was used to do the burn. I left the office and came back later to find a burn failure message. Burn failed during writing the leadout. Burn time was about 8 minutes at 4X.

I'm attaching a log for debugging. Maybe someone knowledgeable about this can decipher what the cause of burn failure was.

The disc is not recognized in my Sony BDP-S301 player.

I attempted a second burn, using my LG GGW-H20L burner, and that succeeded. Burn time was over 26 minutes, reporting 4X as the speed.

That disc did play in the Sony BDP-S301, up to the 27-minute point, at which the entire player froze--I mean REALLY froze to the point where I can't even power it off. No controls respond. I'll have to pull the plug to reset it.


Are these RiData discs a dud? Perhaps I should return them to Meritline and find a distributor with better quality discs?

Would like to know what others are experiencing with DL burns and which brands of media have successful burns. Seems DL is not ready for prime time yet.

[Inventive Software]

:search:, Verbatim DVD+R DL discs are the only ones that have a reliable record, and make sure they're made in Sinagpore, not India.

[BassPig]

Verbatim seems to have a good reputation in some parts. I'll look for it on the next purchase.

More interesting results:
Tried to burn another DL on the DVR-112D and it, too, failed during the lead-out. This disc was a data backup in UDF format.

The next thing I did was load a disc in the LG burner and repeat the burn. That disc succeeded and in about half the time.

From this I conclude that either there is a serious compatibility problem with the RiData and the DVR-112D, or there is something wrong with the DL writing capabilities of this burner.

[blutach]

Throw away the Ridata - get Verbs 2.4x MKM-001 MIS.

Regards

[setarip_old]

@BassPig

Further clarification:

Thusfar, there is NO dependable D/L DVD-R burnable media.
To reinforce what's already been stated by "Inventive Software", rely ONLY on Verbatim D/L DVD+R - and only those made in Singapore (NOT India) - and burn only at 2.4X...

[blutach]

And the technology of -R DL is not good. Avoid them.

Regards

[BassPig]

I just got done reading an excellent technical article on why +R is better, so I now more fully understand that +R is the way to go for data archiving.
NO doubt, some of you have read it, but for anyone who hasn't, it's good reading:
http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media

I'll order +R DL next and try to get the Verbatim.


I know this is speculation, but I wonder why the Pioneer DVR-112D fails when the LG succeeds with burning the RiData discs? Is the Pioneer drive more 'strict' with the range of feedback it gets from the disc as it writes?

[jshumate]

blutach and Inventive Software - It's no longer possible to get Verbatim DL discs that are Made in Singapore. The only exception is the expensive (more than $2 US per disc) DVD+R LD DataLife Plus discs that you can order from various online retailers. All other Verbatim DL discs are Made in India. My own personal experience suggests that the Made in India discs are still better than other companies' DL discs, but of slightly less quality than the Made in Singapore discs. For whatever it's worth, Nero's CD/DVD Speed tools shows the India discs to be very good, but not quite as good as the Singapore discs. Unfortunately the Singapore discs are gone from everywhere I know of. It's either live with the new India made discs or pay a lot for the DataLife Plus discs.

BassPig - The article you linked to has been endlessly debated. Many people feel very strongly that DVD-R is just as good as DVD+R, but I don't remember some of the arguments they used.

I feel very strongly that DVD+R DL is vastly superior to DVD-R DL, even with Verbatim. The DVD-R DL format required some kludges to get it working and it doesn't generally (there are a few exceptions) seem to perform as well as DVD+R DL discs in many players.

As far as your burning issues go, it could be that the Pioneer lacks a good write strategy for the discs. RiData discs are basically crap though, so that's not helping. A firmware update on the Pioneer burner might fix the burn issue.

[setarip_old]

@jshumate

Hi!It's no longer possible to get Verbatim DL discs that are Made in Singapore.Harder to find, yes, not possible to get, incorrect.

I purchased 13 20 packs of Verbatim D/L DVD+Rs made in Singapore approximately 1 week ago at a brick and mortar Best Buy...

[Inventive Software]

My local Maplin has both Singapore and India batches, and they look identical, only the bottom details are different. Have to check which ones I buy before they run out. :D

[BassPig]

All this discussion of burn strategy and firmware prompted me to check the firmware version on all of my Pioneer burners. Most were at least 3 revisions behind current, so I downloaded and updated my two newest burners. Maybe this may improve burning with the RiData discs. I do have to use them, as it would be senseless to ship them back to Meritline, but I'll definately be careful to specify +R DL for data storage.

BTW, which burners can set the book type for DVD +R movie discs and is this something that can be done from inside Nero?

[setarip_old]

which burners can set the book type for DVD +R movie discsNOT Pioneer for SINGLE layer +R media - although Pioneer sets the booktype AUTOMATICALLY for DOUBLE layer +R media.

[dialysis1]

@jshumate

Hi!Harder to find, yes, not possible to get, incorrect.

I purchased 13 20 packs of Verbatim D/L DVD+Rs made in Singapore approximately 1 week ago at a brick and mortar Best Buy...

I get mine from newegg.com.

[Gussy]

Actually I never had problems with the Ridata until recently. I'm not sure if it has to do with the layer break or not. DVD Shrink has the option to check or uncheck layer and I might have done something about this during a reinstall of Windows. Should this be checked or unchecked? What about the settings on ImgBurn? Seamless? Modify IFO info?

[blutach]

Gussy - please do not cross post.

See here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1125687#post1125687).

Regards

[BassPig]

NOT Pioneer for SINGLE layer +R media - although Pioneer sets the booktype AUTOMATICALLY for DOUBLE layer +R media.

Very interesting about Pioneer. No information about the LG burner? My Pioneer seems to have 100% failure burning the Ridata discs, so I've resorted to burning all DL on the LG burner, which works great. But I AM curious about how you would set the book type for +R on non-Pioneer burners, or when it is not done automatically, and whether this is done through Nero, or a 3rd party utility.

[Gussy]

Gussy - please do not cross post.

See here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1125687#post1125687).

Regards

Sorry...

Anyway, I just realized what my problem was. Ridata's DVD+DL and DVD-DL looks exactly the same. I had two disks left from the older batch and when I tried them, they worked. Turns out that the ones that was working was DVD+DL.