Can't RIP to Hard Drive? (Authenticate is Good)

[GtMustangJim]

I posted in the advanced fourm because I belive this one is for the regulars and experts.

I have a DVD that I can't rip to the HD. I don't belive ot to be a authenticating problem. Its starts off at 225kb/sec and drops untill the DVD ROM stops responding. Also I can hear the drive speed up and slow down as if it were having a hard time reading the Disc.

The DVD in question is brand new with zero scratches, dust, dirt, finger prints, ect. Now get this, It plays perfect in both my PC's DVD ROM and my home standalone.

At first I thought perhaps somting might be going wrong with my DVD ROM. I Tested a different Movie and it rips fine (2000kb/sec) I've tried to rip this troublesome DVD with both internal routines and smartripper and get basicly the same result which is mentioned above.

So now I'm thinking it is somhow rip/copy protechted. I took a look at it in Windows Explorer with view all system and hidden checked and I can't see anything other than the standerd folders, IFO, and VOB's. While I was in Win Exp, I tried to copy and paste the Disc contents to a folder and got the same results (after Authenticating and unlocking the drive of coase).

I'm runing out of ideas and need some new ones. I'm open to any sugestions and really need some help on this one. Has anyone even heard of this before?

Thank You in Advance!!

[GtMustangJim]

I haven't received any replies but I'm still trying to figure this out.

The DVD in question speeds ups and slows down like its having a hard time reading the disc. Altho I can play and watch the movie just fine, I just can't rip it to the HD.

I'm thinking it might have something to do with DMA settings. I can rip other DVD's at 2000kb/sec and I don't know whats so special about this one. I don't know much about DMA settings or what chip set I have on my mother board or if its a Via or not. How do I find out what chip set it is??

This is really driving me nuts. If any one has any ideas or suggestions, I'm open to any.

[ev]

I had a similar problem last week with an older NTSC movie. It was ripping at snail pace. I installed an older version of Smartripper (2.34) and it worked fine.
Hope this helps you too.

[DVDHack]

You could try copying the ifo and vobs to your hard disk and ripping from there. You should be able to tell then if the DVD is just a problem one for your DVD drive to read, a friend of mine bought one recently that she had to return because it simply wouldn't play on her DVD player, or if you have a problem ripping.

[GtMustangJim]

DVDhack,

I tried that, Its in the original post

While I was in Win Exp, I tried to copy and paste the Disc contents to a folder and got the same results (after Authenticating and unlocking the drive of coarse).

Also The DVD plays perfect. Just won't let me Rip it to the HD. Also in the original post.

The DVD in question is brand new with zero scratches, dust, dirt, finger prints, ect. Now get this, It plays perfect in both my PC's DVD ROM and my home standalone

Thanks for Trying to help anyhow. Like I said I'm open to anything.

[GtMustangJim]

ev,

I tried your sugestion and tried an older version of smartripper to no avil :(

I'm now thinking maybe the company that actully made the DVD had poor DVD duplactors and that it might not have a deep burn to it??? Or maybe its some sort of advanced copy protechtion???

The DVD plays, fast fowards, and rewinds perfect but, riping speed is between 00kb/sec and 74kb/sec (mostly 00kb but it catches a few bits between speeding up and slowing down of the drive) and at that rate it would take a week to rip it not to mention I'm sure my DVD Rom would burn up by then.

I'm thinking DVD's play at 1X so maybe I should try Riping at 1X??? I have WinXP, does anyone know how to limit my DVD ROM to 1X??? That way it would only take a few hours to rip and not weeks :)

I don't know if reading it at 1x will work ether so if any one has any sugestions, I'm all ears.

Thanks

[markrb]

Have you tried the latest version of SmartRipper?
What DVD is it?
Try setting the DVD drive to PIO mode. I doubt it will work, but it's worth a shot. You can change that in Device Manager under the IDE controller in XP. Just make sure you know which drive you are changing. Anyway it won't hurt anything, even if you pick all the drives, and can be changed back the same way. It can hurt performance a little.

There are several programs to find out system info. About the best is Sisoft Sandra. Do a google search. If they ever get their download section fixed you can get a shareware version.
If you go to your hardware device manager in Windows and click on System devices it might tell you. In my case it says Via several times.

If you can't get it to rip with SmartRipper I really think it's the Disk or drive and not more involved.

I was just looking at the options to SmartRipper try unchecking fast error skip on the settings page.

BTW with the latest versions of the ripping software you don't have to authenticate the drives anymore.

Mark

[GtMustangJim]

markrb

Thanks for the reply, yours has been the most helpfull so far. The tile of the DVD is anime La blue girl. I just can't seem to get it to rip. Chances are that its so interlaced that I wouldn't be able to do anything with it anyway. I still want to give it a try though.

With most DVD's I can rip at 1500/2000kb per sec. I've seen people here have rip speeds of 9000kb and up. Do you know how they are able to do this. I here them talk about DMA??

[mrbass]

did you try authenticating it with WinDVD or PowerDVD? it says to do so in the newbie reference DVD Rip section.

[markrb]

What is the speed of your DVD drive? That is the biggest factor in ripping speeds. I have a 16X Pioneer drive and can get up to 7k, but it varies from disk to disk.

DMA and PIO are ways the drives are accessed. Old drives never had DMA so some OS's default to using the old PIO method which all drives support. Newer drives support DMA which is faster and uses less CPU to access the drives. DMA is prefered, but not a must. Win XP defaults to use DMA if available. Win 9x does not.
You are able to change the mode from within control panel if your drive supports it.

mrbass since the rip does start, but fails the DVD is authenticated.
Also SmartRipper can't even see the files if it isn't.

I fear I am out of idea's.

Mark

[GtMustangJim]

Originally posted by mrbass
did you try authenticating it with WinDVD or PowerDVD? it says to do so in the newbie reference DVD Rip section.

Hello Mrbass hows it going?

Yeah I tried just about every thing <sigh>

Its authenticating fine just that the rip speed it between 00kb to 74kb per sec. I can hear the disc speed up and slow down as if it were having a hard time reading it. I go into much further detail in the post above. but yes I even tried PowerDVD for the hell of it to no avail.

If you have time could you scan thru this entire post and tell me what you think the problem may be? I'm racking my head againts the wall on this one.

Thank You for taking the time to reply to this post and of my post in the past. You have been a big help to me.

Thanks...

[GtMustangJim]

Markrb

I have a 32X HiVal DVD Rom. boy would it be cool if I could rip at 32X :)

I got a good deal on it from best buy. Its only 2 mounths old so, based on your last post I belive it to be DMA???

I don't no how good of a name brand it is. When it comes to CDR burners plextor or TDK is a must for me :)

When I get off of work I'm going to try reading it at a slower speed. If that doesn't work I'll....I'll....uh..:confused: geezz I dunno what I'll do. :-(

[Jono182]

32x? holy crap! are you sure thats not the cdrom read speed?

[Mozart]

try DVD Decryptor. It is realy fast and you can get full support from the author at the decrypting forum. Just remember that there is an issue about the use of rippers other than under dvd2svcd.

[GtMustangJim]

Originally posted by Mozart
try DVD Decryptor. It is realy fast and you can get full support from the author at the decrypting forum. Just remember that there is an issue about the use of rippers other than under dvd2svcd.

Its funny you mentioned that. I tried that too!! lol :) This is getting scary I'm running out of Ideas.

I have one Idea left. sence it Plays the movie fine and movies plays at 1X (of coarse) I want to try to rip at 1x.

But how do I limit my DVD ROM in WinXP to 1X????

[GtMustangJim]

Originally posted by Jono182
32x? holy crap! are you sure thats not the cdrom read speed?

Your right. Its a 16X that reads CD's at 32.

My bad.

[GtMustangJim]

Markrb,

You can change that in Device Manager under the IDE controller in XP. Just make sure you know which drive you are changing

I tried it that way and can't see any thing that will limit my DVD ROM to 1X.

I was browsing around XP one day and could of swore I saw a setting for it. Something like current read speed XX and then a drop down box under that, and you could select the read speed but I can't find that option screen again. I'm 89% sure of it. not positive but pretty damn sure. Maybe more than 89%, I saw it!!

If anyone knows for sure how to get to it please let me know.

[Mozart]

Originally posted by GtMustangJim


Its funny you mentioned that. I tried that too!! lol :) This is getting scary I'm running out of Ideas.



this is weird and, I can understand, completely frustrating:( Err... probably you did, but I need to know: did you already tryed this (http://www.doom9.org/ripping__the_hard_way.htm)?

[GtMustangJim]

Originally posted by Mozart


this is weird and, I can understand, completely frustrating:( Err... probably you did, but I need to know: did you already tired this (http://www.doom9.org/ripping__the_hard_way.htm)?

Yes Mozart. But before replying "yes" I went ahead and re-read it for the hell of it.

You guys are the experts and I'm all ears. When it comes DVD ripping the facts are that I'm somewhat new (only 5 months of experience) but I do know a ton about regular CD burning. I had an old Yamaha CDR that was a piece of S#!T. When backing up my playsatation games they would only play in my PC and not the Playstation because the playstation had a weaker laser and my burner made weak images. I bought my Plextor CD recorder 12 10 32 and have not had the problem since. I know that one the first rules when dealing with a poorly made CDs is to reduce your reading speed and I would assume that the same would be true with a DVD.

At this point I think the most likely reason for all my problems is this:

That company that actually made the DVD had poor DVD duplicators and that it might not have a deep clean clear burn to it and that my DVD reader is trying to read it too fast.

I'd like to try out my theroy and reduce my DVD ROM speed but I have no Idea on how to configure Win XP to limit the reading speed to 1X or 2X

If any one knows how to do this let me know or if anyone else has any more suggestions, I will try them all!!

Thank You all in Advance....

[mrbass]

what is the title of this DVD? I'd like to try it myself.

[GtMustangJim]

Originally posted by mrbass
what is the title of this DVD? I'd like to try it myself.

The title is La blue girl DVD volumes 3&4. (Its anime)

My theroy is that the image on the original DVD is written weak. But. The fact that I can play it at 1X and fast forward it at 8x might conflict with my educated guess.

I want to try to read the disc at 1X but don't know how to go about that.