Quick Blu-ray content (BD, BD-5 and BD-9) authoring guide (PS3+PowerDVD)

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Let's clarify something

What's a BD-5/BD-9?

It's a DVD with Blu-ray Video content and structure

Oh...an AVCHD!

No, AVCHD has its own specs, mainly stated by:
-Video codec: AVC
-Audio codec: Dolby Digital, PCM 1.5 Mbps
-More than one audio track: No
-Subtitles: No
-Maximum video bitrate: 25000 kbps
-Maximum VBR buffer size: 9000 kbps

While Blu-ray's (and therefore BD-5's/BD-9's) are:
-Video codec: AVC, VC-1, MPEG-2
-More than one audio track: Yes
-Subtitles: Yes
-Audio codec: Dolby Digital, DTS 1,5 Mbps, PCM 27 Mbps, Dolby Digital + 1,7Mbps, DTS-HD 6 Mbps, TrueHD 18 Mbps, DTS-HD MA 24,5 Mbps
-Maximum video bitrate: 40000 kbps
-Maximum VBR buffer size: 30000 kbps

Using this method you will get a 100% standard Blu-ray content, but bruning that content on a DVD (BD-5) or double layer DVD (BD-9) is not standard at all. Nevertheless, several BD players play them some of them considering them as an AVCHD (PS3)...but then plays as a normal BD, so all codecs and subtitles are supported



Needed files and programs

*Sonic.Scenarist.BDA.v4.20 (http://www.sonic.com/resellers/)
*Nero's index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv (http://rs168.rapidshare.com/files/47821885/BDMV.rar)(For PS3 BD-9/5 compatibiliy)
*SubtitleWorkshop 4 (http://www.urusoft.net/download.php?id=sw4&mirror=1) and SubtitleWorkshop 2.51 (http://www.urusoft.net/download.php?id=sw&mirror=1) to include .srt subtitles
*Supread (http://pel.hu/down/SUPread.exe) to include Blu-ray (.sup) subtitles
*nal_hrd patched (http://lists.videolan.org/attachs/20070107/x264_hrd.patch) x264
--For Windows get last megui's x264 build (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=156112&package_id=174059), it's already patched
--For Linux, open a Terminal Konsole and:
yasm --version

If you have 0.6 or above skip this first quote, if not, follow bothwget http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/releases/yasm-0.6.2.tar.gz .
tar xvfz yasm-0.6.2.tar.gz
cd yasm-0.6.2
./configure
make
make installsvn co svn://svn.videolan.org/x264/trunk x264
cd x264
wget http://lists.videolan.org/attachs/20070107/x264_hrd.patch
patch -p0 < x264_hrd.patch
./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-debug --enable-pthread
make
make install



Preparing the video

With the nal_hrd patched x264 version, we use our favourite line/profile to encode the video, not forgetting these parameters in the final line:

--keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 38000 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --nal-hrd --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --bframe 3 --ref 3 --aud --sar 1:1

And forgetting:

--b-pyramid

Resolution must be standard and fps 24p, 50i or 60i

By the way, with 50i and 60i you can chage --keyint to 25 (PAL) and 30 (NTSC), not sure about 50 and 60 in a true interlaced encoding...



Preparing the subtitles

The program we'll use doesn't recognise neither .srt nor .sup so you have to convert them.

SRT:
1. Load srt file into Subtitle Workshop v2.51. Set Input FPS to 23.976, and Output FPS tp 24fps. Save new .srt file.
2. Load new .srt file by SubtitleWorkshop v4 (version 4 support bdn file export)
3. Clicks file->export customize image subtitle
4. Select 8bit PNG, and select movie resolution and fps.
5. Change font colour to anything other than white (lighter colours like yellow, green or blue are recommended).
6. Export

SUP:
1. Use Supread's option 'Save bitmaps' to get the .png and .scn-sst files
2. Use the .scn-sst to create the .bdn (Sorry, I don't know the details)

Rectal Propalse has released a program which convert HD DVD's sup to bdn (png+xml) fully compatible with scenarist. He's call it hdsup2bdn (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1102062#post1102062)

For BD's sup to bdn...maybe we could use Supread to export HD DVD's sup and then hdsup2bdn???

Creating the BD

You need at least Sonic.Scenarist.BDA.v4.20

1. Load up MUI Generator
2. Load the Audio/s in to the program and select create files.
3. Do the same for the video
4. Start up Sonic HDMV
5. Create a New Project.
6. Use the same directory for output path and Encode path
7. Under the Data Tree Tab, right click on data a go NEW-Actual Asset and bring in the to files that where created with MUI Generator.
*7.1. Right click on data again and choose to import bdn file if you want to include subtitles.
8. Go to Stream tree tab
*9.1. Drag the video files onto stream,( this will create a playlist and a clip.)
*9.2. Drag the audio files onto the clip (be careful with the track order)
*9.3. Drag the subtitles files onto the clip
*9.4. Open up the "Tool" drop down menu up the top of the window. Press "Subtitle Arranger" and then "OK". Note the start time of the first subtitle.
*9.5. In the "Clip Editor" tab, right click on the subtitle (PG) and press "Time info...". Then adjust the video offset to the start time of the first subtitle.
10. Click on the Scenario editor tab
11. Select First Playback then right click on it and select Set movie object.
12. Do the Same for top menu.
13. Now drag the playlist onto both MO#1 this will create a nice tree structure.
*14. Now save your project and quit Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

Change the 3 to a 0 (zero). This will prevent the disc from being flagged as encrypted. This is very important. If you do not perform this step your disc will NOT work.

*15. Load up Mux remote server.
*16. Open Scenarist modified project and click on the mux button in Sonic HDMV.
*17. Select not create the disc image file.
*18. Start the mux.
*19. Remove AACS and CERTIFICATE Folders



That's all, now you have 100% standard BD content, for burning:

*On a Blu-ray:
--Just BDMV folder on it

*On a DVD:
--PS3: Change index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv (in \BDMV and \BDMV\BACKUP\) for the Nero ones and burn BDMV folder on a DVD with UDF 2.5 format.
--No AVCHD compatible BD players: Just burn BDMV folder on it?

You can also:
-Open the files with powerdvd's option “play Blu-ray on HDD”
-Bring it to PS3 thru web server like Red Kawa or Apache (no subtitles neither multiaudio, just video+1st audio)



Can I use this method to MKV->PS3Ready or should I always rencode?

Rencoding is the only way to ensure 100% compatibility, but if you want, you can just try editing the header in case the video is already compilant but not properly advised.

Get lasted h264info (https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=138139&package_id=225029&release_id=493468) (at the moment I'm writing this is 0018) and fill with write PPS on:

kbps bitrate: 38000
num_ref_frames: 3 (maybe 4 works too, haven't tried)
Output Aspect Ratio: 1:1
Level: 4.1
WxH: 1920x1080, 1280x720...whatever it is

Remember that just works when the video is properly encoded...if not...you can try but it most likely won't...that's why I don't like using it

If it doesn't work DON'T TRY VOB/MP4/ETC TRANSFERS SINCE THEY'LL WON'T WORK TOO, only rencoding is the solution unless it's a resolution problem



Mini-todo list

*Confirm no PS3 players compatibility
*Confirm theory: If you don't change .bdmv files on the Backup folder, BD players will look there after refusing the PS3's ones and play OK, so it's ALWAYS recomended to do that for BD-9/5, to ensure both PS3 and BD players compatibility

EDIT: If you are new in encoding...get these blu-ray profiles for megui from one of this links

http://rs91.rapidshare.com/files/90096077/megui_blu-ray_profiles.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/?f1zgyj5mn3n
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=49259103428493361575

[yotsu]

3. do the same for the video

My video has .264 extension, how could i do to load it into MUI Generator ?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

-Rename to .avc and select ".avc" when browsing
-Select "all files" when browsing and in the main window select MPEG-4 AVC

Whichever you prefer

[jamos]

Can you specify the command line that you extract video from a mkv using x264?

the mkvextract h264 file gives me a error in hdmv when i try to import it so i am guessing you need to use x264 to create the raw video?

[lexor]

How big can h264 stream be to fit on a DVD5 or DVD9? Is there a reliable overhead calculator for BD structure or do we just guess at a bitrate and keep re-encoding until we get the right total size?

Also is there absolutely no way of getting subs? Under any supported format?

[yotsu]

-Rename to .avc and select ".avc" when browsing
-Select "all files" when browsing and in the main window select MPEG-4 AVC

Whichever you prefer

I've got the "ERROR" pop up when i push the "create files" button.

My video works if i remux it into an .mp4 or .mkv container, so why i get that d*** warning. weird :confused:

[B4tm4n]

How big can h264 stream be to fit on a DVD5 or DVD9? Is there a reliable overhead calculator for BD structure or do we just guess at a bitrate and keep re-encoding until we get the right total size?

Also is there absolutely no way of getting subs? Under any supported format?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1094903#post1094903

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Can you specify the command line that you extract video from a mkv using x264?

the mkvextract h264 file gives me a error in hdmv when i try to import it so i am guessing you need to use x264 to create the raw video?

Rencoding with x264 is the only way that never fails. For MKV-> BD-9...you have to be in luck or even try to "lie" Scenarist, I'll give the details when I'm sure they are right.

How big can h264 stream be to fit on a DVD5 or DVD9? Is there a reliable overhead calculator for BD structure or do we just guess at a bitrate and keep re-encoding until we get the right total size?

Also is there absolutely no way of getting subs? Under any supported format?

In my tests... streams had to be 95% of the final m2ts file size

For subtitles...you mean getting from a BD i.e. or putting them into the disc? If first one, use xport 0.96+. If second one...it's a bit difficult and I haven't done enough tests yet, but it's posible to include them (take a look at Scenarist manual or put subtitles blu-ray scenarist at google, or even here at doom9 searcher.

I've got the "ERROR" pop up when i push the "create files" button.

My video works if i remux it into an .mp4 or .mkv container, so why i get that d*** warning. weird :confused:

They work in mp4 at PS3? If so, maybe you have to "lie" too.

[lexor]

PD: Remember that this subtitles can't be played at PS3


Yeah, sorry I forgot to mention that my question was about PS3. So I guess no subs for me :(

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Multitrack and subtitles support found

[lexor]

Great news on subs!

I have a question though: what is the reason for the 17 steps, if in the end you just need to load the streams in TSRemux and it will make the Blu-ray structure for you? Why not just use tsMuxeR and make a TS file with all the streams you want and feed it to TSRemux?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Scenarist warns you if files are not compilant, haven't tried tsmuxer

[lexor]

Scenarist warns you if files are not compilant, haven't tried tsmuxer

Well, tsmuxer won't warn you, but if I had faith in my streams I don't need the expensive program, right? It doesn't do any mandatory fiddling with streams themselves?

[trojanfoe]

I've got the "ERROR" pop up when i push the "create files" button.

My video works if i remux it into an .mp4 or .mkv container, so why i get that d*** warning. weird :confused:

Me too from the original MKV, but going through the usual "h264info conversion phase" (set level to 4.1 and "Write PPS every picture"), MUI Generator seems to like it. It probably depends on the original encode as well I guess.

However Scenarist HDMV won't open the resulting .VES files so a re-encode is required. Where can i get a "nal_hrd patched version of x264" from?

EDIT: found a patched version. What's the complete x264 command line please?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Well, tsmuxer won't warn you, but if I had faith in my streams I don't need the expensive program, right? It doesn't do any mandatory fiddling with streams themselves?

It does...what I don't know is if tsmuxer does too, that's why I recommend Scenarist


EDIT: found a patched version. What's the complete x264 command line please?

whichever you want, just have in mind the parameters I mentioned. You can also use megui blu-ray profiles

Example: good quality (some people call it "almost lossless") encoding

x264 --crf 18 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 38000 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --nal-hrd --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --bframe 3 --ref 3 --aud --sar 1:1 --fps 24000/1001 -o output.264 input

or even simpler:

x264 --crf 18 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 38000 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --nal-hrd --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --aud --sar 1:1 --fps 24000/1001 -o output.264 input

[trojanfoe]

Thanks Xoloco, that's chugging away now. I used the first command line, but had to put "1280x720" after the input file in order to make x264 happy.

[Nasgul]

Hi,


Nevertheless, several BD players play them


Have you tried this - if yes, on which players? I tried this method (it was mentioned on AVS some weeks ago) on several standalone players, and none of them played the discs.
Tried on: Sony BDP-S1, Panasonic BD10+BD30, Pioneer LX70A.

Only the PS3 plays them as AVCHD (this is correct, since TSRemux outputs an AVCHD structure - so it´s only a BD5/9 until you run it through Tsremux).

If you burn the scenarist output to DVD5/9, the resulting "real" BD5/9 will play in most standalone players (all above mentioned except the BD30), but not in the PS3.

I really love these bluray "standards"... :mad:


Has anyone found a possibility yet to create a disc that plays in BOTH standalone players AND the PS3?

Regards,
Nas

[tymoxa]

Hi,

Has anyone found a possibility yet to create a disc that plays in BOTH standalone players AND the PS3?


Yes. Like i said earlier... read this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12369935&postcount=753) carefuly, especially this part:
Now save your project and quit Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

Change the 3 to a 0 (zero). This will prevent the disc from being flagged as encrypted. This is very important. If you do not perform this step your disc will NOT work.
After this you may delete AACS, CERTIFICATE (after muxing) and burn BDMV to DVD with UDF2.50.
This method works for me... and for BD-P1400, BDP-S300/BDP-S1, BDP-LX70a and of course - PS3.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

I had that link at bookmarks and last time I read it he said you have to turn the encryption off, but didn't say how. He must have edited...thanks for the warning ;)

Have just tried it and yeah, encryption's out, but 1.80^ PS3s just read it if you change *.bdmv for the Nero ones. Can anyone confirm it plays too on stand alone players?

[Nasgul]

Thanks a lot, I will give that a try...

[rhayman]

Thankyou for the guide, could you upload your megui blu-ray profiles on rapidshare as it is still saying pending approval

[jamos]

Xolo can you somehow host those bluray profiles somewhere that I can download them? Your attachments are still pending approval. I used the HD fast profile seems to work good with bluray.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

http://rs91.rapidshare.com/files/90096077/megui_blu-ray_profiles.zip

How long should one usually wait to see them aproved?

[Sharktooth]

depends on the moderators, maybe they didnt read this thread or just forgot to approve it.

[jamos]

http://rs91.rapidshare.com/files/90096077/megui_blu-ray_profiles.zip

How long should one usually wait to see them aproved?

Thanks Xolo ill check them out!:thanks:

[toftrem]

Hello

thank's to this tutorial but i've error message step 3

mui generator with video encoded h264 with megui and your bluray profile. this is the message:
"Error: invalid_vui_parameters_present_flag_value=0"

Where mistake?

thanks

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Did you remove --sar 1:1?

PD: Did you do something with the file before using MUI, like h264info or something like that?

[toftrem]

I use your bluray profile for megui

[XolocoTuxmaster]

unmodifed?

Did you do something with the file before using MUI, like h264info or something like that?

Do you have last megui?

That makes no sense to me...I created the profile modifying HD DVD profile, which has vui_parameters_present_flag_value=1

Do this happen to anyone else?

[toftrem]

I modify nothing

i extract video vc-1 and audio DD LPCM from m2ts bluray rip with tsremux 019 and use megui with your blurayprofil without modification....

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Damm...you are posting at the same time I'm editing

Do you have last megui?

[toftrem]

yes 0.2.6.1041 and update ok

?!!!.... problem with extract video and audio with tsremux019 ?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Using tsremux to extract is never a good idea...better use xport

But vui parameters present flag value is set by x264, and it normally turns to 1 if you use any vui parameter (like --sar). And in addition...I used the HD DVD profile to create this and HD DVD profile is supossed to turn vui value to 1

As I said...this makes no sense to me, have asked "megui profiles expert" Sharktooth
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1097939#post1097939

[toftrem]

ok I wait

Why the converted video vc-1 with x264 is not directly playable on ps3 for test (ps3 say not compatible)?

[toftrem]

ok I wait

Why the converted video vc-1 with x264 is not directly playable on ps3 for test (ps3 say not compatible)?

I read ok this vc-1 video converted with megui and your bluray_profile only if I stream or copy with tversity (mp4).
Now i want to mux this h264 video file with ac3 6ch dolby digital original audio..... and it not works... I must convert ac3 6ch in aac 6 ch?

thanks

[jamos]

unmodifed?

Did you do something with the file before using MUI, like h264info or something like that?

Do you have last megui?

That makes no sense to me...I created the profile modifying HD DVD profile, which has vui_parameters_present_flag_value=1

Do this happen to anyone else?

I am getting stuttering while using your profiles when i build the bd structure using tsremux. I do not get this using the HD ones not sure why but am thinking it is because your vbv buffer is way too high.

one thing i did notice is that your profile takes some 2 hours longer than the hd profile, what is the difference are you using really higher bitrates? To fit on a dvd-9 my avg bitrate is around 7100 so I am wondering if it is overkill using your profile over the dvd-hd one for a 720p video.

[toftrem]

I have many problem with vc-1 encoded to h264 when I choose file format to RAWAVC (for using tsmuxer after). the video .264 obtained is white flashed many times !.... Do you know why?

Thanks

[XolocoTuxmaster]

I am getting stuttering while using your profiles when i build the bd structure using tsremux. I do not get this using the HD ones not sure why but am thinking it is because your vbv buffer is way too high.

one thing i did notice is that your profile takes some 2 hours longer than the hd profile, what is the difference are you using really higher bitrates? To fit on a dvd-9 my avg bitrate is around 7100 so I am wondering if it is overkill using your profile over the dvd-hd one for a 720p video.

It's not overkill at all, every BD player plays them well, but yeah if you want you can set --vbv-maxrate and --vbv-bufsize a lower value.

I have many problem with vc-1 encoded to h264 when I choose file format to RAWAVC (for using tsmuxer after). the video .264 obtained is white flashed many times !.... Do you know why?

Thanks

No I don't, sorry, maybe a wrong .avs (don't tell me since I don't use them).

Be patient wait for Sharktooth overview

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Guide updated

*Added subtitles steps (thanks jacobshek)
*Added new 100% players compatibility theory (please try and comment)
*Added MKV conversion trick

[PleXuS]

Guide updated

*Added subtitles steps (thanks jacobshek)
*Added new 100% players compatibility theory (please try and comment)
*Added MKV conversion trick

your MKV conversion trick won't work for Bluray BDMV ;)
most mkv got borders ripped. your resolution must be 1280x720 or 1920x1080 else you get sound & black screen!

so you must re encode to add the borders and then it works fine on powerdvd and bluray PS3!

i did also change the resolution with h264info 0.18 but i did allways get black or green screen.. until i did resize it with avisynth script.

but anyway nice work! :thanks:

maybe you can make and easy automatic made disc menu guide and howto import into scenarist? :)

is there a easy way todo? Adobe encore? or other tools?

edit: i also found out that when i try to convert srt to scenarist sub format.. it only generates 1 png pic with xml file.
and seems to repeat allways that 1 subtitle image in the movie!? weard..?..

am i doing something wrong? or is it becoz Subtitle Workshop4 is behaving weard on vista?


best regards,
PleXuS

[jamos]

xolo just burning the BDMV directory to disk did not work for ps3. It sees it as a data disk. is there something I need to do to the output from scenarist to make it work before i burn it? I am using UDF 2.5.

edit: ok I missed the copy nero files step at the end. All is good, works well.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

your MKV conversion trick won't work for Bluray BDMV ;)
most mkv got borders ripped. your resolution must be 1280x720 or 1920x1080 else you get sound & black screen!

so you must re encode to add the borders and then it works fine on powerdvd and bluray PS3!

i did also change the resolution with h264info 0.18 but i did allways get black or green screen.. until i did resize it with avisynth script.

but anyway nice work! :thanks:

That's why I call it "trick", because is not standard at all. As I said you have to be lucky having a properly encoded file. For example, resolution, but also maybe your video doesn't go upper 35000 kbps but encoder didn't use --vbv-maxrate so header is not filled...that's when filling it works

But about resolution..some people have said using h264info they don't get a correct video...but a video with two white/grey/other color bands that doesn't disturb them

As I said I dont like that trick, prefer recoding but some people do since they don't care about full or not full compatibility

maybe you can make and easy automatic made disc menu guide and howto import into scenarist? :)

is there a easy way todo? Adobe encore? or other tools?

Are you talking about menu for selecting language/subtitles? pop-ups menus and BD-java?

Haven't investigated that part...I'm not interested in advanced authoring yet...(tulkar does, has made some pop-up menu's blu-rays, ask him :rolleyes:)

edit: i also found out that when i try to convert srt to scenarist sub format.. it only generates 1 png pic with xml file.
and seems to repeat allways that 1 subtitle image in the movie!? weard..?..
Very..very weird. Hasn't happen to me...maybe you have to select something you didn't at subtitle workshop. Neither have vista, so I can't talk you about that.

Sorry

xolo just burning the BDMV directory to disk did not work for ps3. It sees it as a data disk. is there something I need to do to the output from scenarist to make it work before i burn it? I am using UDF 2.5.

edit: ok I missed the copy nero files step at the end. All is good, works well.

haha ok

[jamos]

Does using scenarist give us anything other than subtitles? I am using megui but using tsmuxer then tsremux to bd, works just as good except for no subtitles. Also subtitles need some work. Just exporting them from SubtitleWorkshop into scenarist leaves them out of sync and hard to read. you have to play with the colors and offset in scenarist to get them right I am guessing.

edit: played with offset but some are in sync and others are not it would be a major project to line up subtitles imported from a .srt file.

also I wonder if ps3 will play dolby-TD or DTS-hd on a AVCHD mastered with scenarist?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Does using scenarist give us anything other than subtitles? I am using megui but using tsmuxer then tsremux to bd, works just as good except for no subtitles. Also subtitles need some work. Just exporting them from SubtitleWorkshop into scenarist leaves them out of sync and hard to read. you have to play with the colors and offset in scenarist to get them right I am guessing.

edit: played with offset but some are in sync and others are not it would be a major project to line up subtitles imported from a .srt file.
Haven't used subtitles very much, I have no big experience with them.

I saw you just asked jacobshek. He may help you


also I wonder if ps3 will play dolby-TD or DTS-hd on a AVCHD mastered with scenarist?

several BD players play them some of them considering them as an AVCHD (PS3)...but then plays as a normal BD, so all codecs and subtitles are supported

[PleXuS]

That's why I call it "trick", because is not standard at all. As I said you have to be lucky having a properly encoded file. For example, resolution, but also maybe your video doesn't go upper 35000 kbps but encoder didn't use --vbv-maxrate so header is not filled...that's when filling it works

But about resolution..some people have said using h264info they don't get a correct video...but a video with two white/grey/other color bands that doesn't disturb them

As I said I dont like that trick, prefer recoding but some people do since they don't care about full or not full compatibility


Are you talking about menu for selecting language/subtitles? pop-ups menus and BD-java?

Haven't investigated that part...I'm not interested in advanced authoring yet...(tulkar does, has made some pop-up menu's blu-rays, ask him :rolleyes:)

Very..very weird. Hasn't happen to me...maybe you have to select something you didn't at subtitle workshop. Neither have vista, so I can't talk you about that.

Sorry



haha ok

i just want to make a menu so i can make a bluray with 2 or 3 movies on it.. so that i can select what movie i want to see! nothing more :)

about subtitle workshop4 i used it as default.. nothing changed!
probably vista issue i gues :)

best regards,
PleXuS

[jamos]

Xolo i modded your profile to lower the avg. bitrate to allow a long movie at 720p to fit on a dvd-9. Also i set the deblocking strength to -3 and threshold to -2 to make it a bit sharper for 720p (was kinda blurry). I will post the modified bluray profiles and avs scripts to convert to standard hd resolutions when I post my how to convert mkv using megui. you can just link to that part for the mkv conversion part of your how to if you want.

[PleXuS]

XolocoTuxmaster: fixed the Subtitle Workshop4 issue!
Seems that it can't handle the char "." in the output PNG file names!!! when changing it.. it made from every subtitle rule a picture! wohooow :) :thanks:

best regards,
PleXuS

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Xolo i modded your profile to lower the avg. bitrate to allow a long movie at 720p to fit on a dvd-9. Also i set the deblocking strength to -3 and threshold to -2 to make it a bit sharper for 720p (was kinda blurry). I will post the modified bluray profiles and avs scripts to convert to standard hd resolutions when I post my how to convert mkv using megui. you can just link to that part for the mkv conversion part of your how to if you want.

Ok but please don't call it Blu-ray or BD-9/5 profile...
XolocoTuxmaster: fixed the Subtitle Workshop4 issue!
Seems that it can't handle the char "." in the output PNG file names!!! when changing it.. it made from every subtitle rule a picture! wohooow :) :thanks:

best regards,
PleXuS

Haha good to hear

[jamos]

Ok but please don't call it Blu-ray or BD-9/5 profile...



I was thinking more like Bluray 720p DVD-9 , Bluray 720p DVD-5
profiles

But you do understand to fit on a dvd-9 or 5 you must turn down the avg. bitrate using your profiles (it is still compliant with BD standards and still works in Scenarist).

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Sorry...I'm tired and haven't read well you message

You just changed average bitrate and deblocking strength?


C'mon man...if you read Sharktooth megui profiles thread you'll see that he says "put the bitrate and deblocking strength you want"...so that change is not enough to make some new profiles...since people will change them too everytime they use them

[jamos]

Sorry...I'm tired and haven't read well you message

You just changed average bitrate and deblocking strength?


C'mon man...if you read Sharktooth megui profiles thread you'll see that he says "put the bitrate and deblocking strength you want"...so that change is not enough to make some new profiles...since people will change them too everytime they use them

thats all i changed.

Ok I'll just say in my tutorial to use you profile and change the avg. bitrate to a lower lvl to fit on a dvd-5 or 9 and say what deblock that works well with 720p. also ill give some examples of what size a avg. bitrate will equate to..ie bitrate 6745 will usually fit on a dvd-9 with 1536kbps bitrate DTS audio for a two hour 20 min. movie. but personally i do have many profiles with slight tweaks, makes it so much easier for me.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

alright

[Atak_Snajpera]

bitrate 6745 will usually fit on a dvd-9 with 1536kbps bitrate DTS audio for a two hour 20 min. movie.

if you are interested I've made formula how to calculate bitrate in order to fit entire movie on DVD-4.37GB or 7.95GB (with TSRemux)

[jamos]

if you are interested I've made formula how to calculate bitrate in order to fit entire movie on DVD-4.37GB or 7.95GB (with TSRemux)

yes pm me the formula if you can. so far ive been using megui but its hard to determine due to it not accounting for the audio or subtitles.

[Beastie Boy]

yes pm me the formula if you can. so far ive been using megui but its hard to determine due to it not accounting for the audio or subtitles.

I'd like to see the formula. Any chance of posting it here for everyone rather than using PM.

Cheers, Beastie.

[chinafree]

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I am trying to author a blu-ray movie
1. Load up MUI Generator
2. Load the Audio/s in to the program and select create files.
3. Do the same for the video

I load supernatural.s03e10.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv in MuI Generator.I've got the "ERROR" pop up when i push the "create files" button.


Am i doing something wrong?

[jamos]

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I am trying to author a blu-ray movie
1. Load up MUI Generator
2. Load the Audio/s in to the program and select create files.
3. Do the same for the video

I load supernatural.s03e10.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv in MuI Generator.I've got the "ERROR" pop up when i push the "create files" button.


Am i doing something wrong?


Dont double post!:mad:

[jamos]

I can confirm that this method works in the ps3 using Xolos profile, even on a DVD-5 or DVD-9 you can play multiple audio tracks including DTS and subtitles.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Thanks man, good to hear.

By the way, new 0.47 version of Supread lets you export in Blu-ray subtitle format, It's still sup but...maybe this will increse compatibility, don't know. I have requested Pelican9 to include .bdn output. Waiting for his answer

[jamos]

Thanks man, good to hear.

By the way, new 0.47 version of Supread lets you export in Blu-ray subtitle format, It's still sup but...maybe this will increse compatibility, don't know. I have requested Pelican9 to include .bdn output. Waiting for his answer

if he does I hope he converts them properly ie 00:00:00:24 timestamp gets transfered to 00:00:01:00 in the bdn for Scenarist.

[marco_ooo]

first off all thnx for this great guide

just to let you know how i did get good subs in secranist

first i transfer mine srt file from 23.976 to 24 fps
then i used this guide to get good files for secranist i used the color light green
at least i put the time offset here i used the first time from the srt sub

hope it helps :)

[jamos]

first off all thnx for this great guide

just to let you know how i did get good subs in secranist

first i transfer mine srt file from 23.976 to 24 fps
then i used this guide to get good files for secranist i used the color light green
at least i put the time offset here i used the first time from the srt sub

hope it helps :)

how did you transfer your srt from 23.976 to 24?

thanks

[marco_ooo]

oeps forgot to tell :(

i used Subtitle Workshop 2.51 for it

load srt >>>> change out fps on the side to 24
save the subtitle to a new srt (subrip)

http://www.urusoft.net/download.php?lang=1&id=sw

for the download

[jinkazama6199]

first THANKS for this great guide

follow all steps

i have made a bd5 disk form MKV , play with my ps3 is good ,but i can't play with powerdvd , no sound & black screen! but play info show mpeg4 avc and dts

my powerdvd vesion is 7.3 Ultra 3319f

which step i did wrong?

please help me .thanks!!

[jamos]

first THANKS for this great guide

follow all steps

i have made a bd5 disk form MKV , play with my ps3 is good ,but i can't play with powerdvd , no sound & black screen! but play info show mpeg4 avc and dts

my powerdvd vesion is 7.3 Ultra 3319f

which step i did wrong?

please help me .thanks!!

I had to back out that patch for my powerdvd to play bd disks or avchd disks back to 7.2..i am not sure what the 7.3 patch does but it does break BD playback on my computer.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

first off all thnx for this great guide

just to let you know how i did get good subs in secranist

first i transfer mine srt file from 23.976 to 24 fps
then i used this guide to get good files for secranist i used the color light green
at least i put the time offset here i used the first time from the srt sub

hope it helps :)
oeps forgot to tell :(

i used Subtitle Workshop 2.51 for it

load srt >>>> change out fps on the side to 24
save the subtitle to a new srt (subrip)

http://www.urusoft.net/download.php?lang=1&id=sw

for the download

Thank you very much :thanks:

By the way people, Rectal Propalse has released a program which convert HD DVD's sup to bdn (png+xml) fully compatible with scenarist. He's call it hdsup2bdn (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1102062#post1102062)

For BD's sup to bdn...maybe we could use Supread to export HD DVD's sup and then hdsup2bdn???

Have to update the guide XD


PD:

first THANKS for this great guide

follow all steps

i have made a bd5 disk form MKV , play with my ps3 is good ,but i can't play with powerdvd , no sound & black screen! but play info show mpeg4 avc and dts

my powerdvd vesion is 7.3 Ultra 3319f

which step i did wrong?

please help me .thanks!!

Played at PS3? Did you replaced .bdmv files? If so...PowerDVD just likes the original ones

*Please Confirm theory: If you don't change .bdmv files on the Backup folder, BD players (including PowerDVD) will look there after refusing the PS3's ones and play OK

[jamos]

Thank you very much :thanks:

By the way people, Rectal Propalse has released a program which convert HD DVD's sup to bdn (png+xml) fully compatible with scenarist. He's call it hdsup2bdn (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1102062#post1102062)

For BD's sup to bdn...maybe we could use Supread to export HD DVD's sup and then hdsup2bdn???

Have to update the guide XD


PD:



Played at PS3? Did you replaced .bdmv files? If so...PowerDVD just likes the original ones

*Please Confirm theory: If you don't change .bdmv files on the Backup folder, BD players (including PowerDVD) will look there after refusing the PS3's ones and play OK

Like i said with the 7.3 patch even with the original .bdmv files it will not play on my computer. 7.2 plays flawlessly with either.

[jamos]

ok just to elaborate on marcos way to import subtitles which works well.

export .srt subtitle from mkv using mkvextract
download subtitleworkshop 2.51 http://www.urusoft.net/download.php?lang=1&id=sw
run subtitleworkshop 2.51 open .srt file exported from mkv with 23.976 selected
change bottom left frame rate drop down to 24
save as srt (double click on the subrip icon)
open subtitleworkshop beta4
open srt saved from subtitleworkshop 2.51
choose file export to custom image format
choose video format tab use either 720 or 1080 and choose non drop frame 23.976
then change the text color in the font to something other than white (green works good)
then click export to create a bdn .xml file
import bdn file (.xml) from scenarist in the data tab
click on clip then go to clip editor PG timeline and right click
choose timeinfo and set the video offset equal to the start of the first subtitle (to get the time of the first subtitle use tool subtitle arranger menu item)

[jinkazama6199]

great!!!

subtitle sync is right, but subtitleworkshop4 beta2 can't
change the text color in the font to white， it looks so bad, also choose green looks better

hope update can fix it! so we can make blue-ray subtitle from srt perfect!

PS:
i reintall powerdvd vesion 7.3 3304,bd-5 play well with it！ but newer vesion no compatible, older vesion maybe well

[jm9843]

*On a DVD:
--PS3: Change index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv (in \BDMV and \BDMV\BACKUP\) for the Nero ones and burn BDMV folder on a DVD with UDF 2.5 format.
--No AVCHD compatible BD players: Just burn BDMV folder on it?


A general question:

Has anyone tested all of these scenarios yet? It'd be nice to burn a BD-5/9 that can play back on the PS3, AVCHD compatible BD players, and non AVCHD compatible BD players.

Concerning the Panasonic BD-30:

Has anyone successfully played a BD-5/9 on this player? Did you need to use the nero versions of index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv?

Thanks.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

*On a DVD:
--PS3: Change index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv (in \BDMV and \BDMV\BACKUP\) for the Nero ones and burn BDMV folder on a DVD with UDF 2.5 format.
--No AVCHD compatible BD players: Just burn BDMV folder on it?


A general question:

Has anyone tested all of these scenarios yet? It'd be nice to burn a BD-5/9 that can play back on the PS3, AVCHD compatible BD players, and non AVCHD compatible BD players.

Concerning the Panasonic BD-30:

Has anyone successfully played a BD-5/9 on this player? Did you need to use the nero versions of index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv?

Thanks.

That's why I wanted to know if changing .bdmv at BDMV folder BUT KEEPING the BACKUP folder ones...BD players will look there (BACKUP) after refusing the BDMV's ones and play OK

[jm9843]

That's why I wanted to know if changing .bdmv at BDMV folder BUT KEEPING the BACKUP folder ones...BD players will look there (BACKUP) after refusing the BDMV's ones and play OK

I thought that was what you meant, but thanks for clarifying.

I can test this on a Panny BD-30 over the weekend, but I'm not sure what it'll tell us. Reason being that the BD-30 supports AVCHD at least from flash memory, so it might treat the disc as the PS3 does.

[jamos]

I can confirm on the PS3 if you do not change the BDMV files with the nero ones the player sees it as a data disk. Once you replace them (you can leave the backup alone) in the stream directory the PS3 plays them flawlessly.

[NorthPole]

@XolocoTuxmaster

Thanks for the great guide!

Resolution must be standard and fps 24p, 50i or 60i

Scenarist allowed me to generate a blu ray disk at 23.976 fps but not at 29.970 fps.

I haven't burned it yet to disk but I am going to later today and will know soon if it works.

I had a couple of questions?

I plan on using the new version of imgburn. It has an option for udf 2.5 and udf 2.6. Does it matter which one I use. Also are there any other setting that I should worry about?

On your blu ray x264 profile... Your using a CPB of 30,000 and a max of 38,000. I think that the max should be less or equal to the CPB. Also, do you think for a target bitrate of 8000 that a spike could reach 30,000. Maybe the level 4.0 limits would be OK, which are CPB = 25,000 kbps and vbr max = 20,000 kbps. Or are the limit you set required for blu ray and/or ps3 compliance?

[jamos]

@XolocoTuxmaster

Thanks for the great guide!



Scenarist allowed me to generate a blu ray disk at 23.976 fps but not at 29.970 fps.

I haven't burned it yet to disk but I am going to later today and will know soon if it works.

I had a couple of questions?

I plan on using the new version of imgburn. It has an option for udf 2.5 and udf 2.6. Does it matter which one I use. Also are there any other setting that I should worry about?

use build mode drag the BDMV folder into the left and choose udf 2.5 or 2.6 and burn with imburn(safe to just use 2.5). If your using a dvd make sure to replace the files in the bdmv folder with the nero ones.


On your blu ray x264 profile... Your using a CPB of 30,000 and a max of 38,000. I think that the max should be less or equal to the CPB. Also, do you think for a target bitrate of 8000 that a spike could reach 30,000. Maybe the level 4.0 limits would be OK, which are CPB = 25,000 kbps and vbr max = 20,000 kbps. Or are the limit you set required for blu ray and/or ps3 compliance?

leave those settings alone it works fine on bluray/ps3 and if you adjust them too low they wont load into scenarist. you just need to adjust the average bitrate down to get it to fit on your disk if you need to.

[NorthPole]

use build mode drag the BDMV folder into the left and choose udf 2.5 or 2.6 and burn with imburn(safe to just use 2.5). If your using a dvd make sure to replace the files in the bdmv folder with the nero ones.

Thanks... I'll do that.

I did adjust the settings down on a couple of tests that I ran so then I ran a full length 720p 2h11min movie @ 23.976fps. I used the constant quality mode with a quantizier of 29 and CPB and Max vbr of 9,000, Level 4.0. Scenarist accepted them OK and generated the disc.

I swapped the files with the nero ones and I'm going to burn it. Will let you know how it works. Won't know for about a week or so if it works cuz I don't have a player yet... but a friend does.

[jamos]

Thanks... I'll do that.

I did adjust the settings down on a couple of tests that I ran so then I ran a full length 720p 2h11min movie @ 23.976fps. I used the constant quality mode with a quantizier of 29 and CPB and Max vbr of 9,000, Level 4.0. Scenarist accepted them OK and generated the disc.

I swapped the files with the nero ones and I'm going to burn it. Will let you know how it works. Won't know for about a week or so if it works cuz I don't have a player yet... but a friend does.


if scenarist will accept it then I am sure it should play well. player must be AVCHD compliant to play nero file but you should be ok if you left your origianal files alone in you backup directory for other bluray players.

[NorthPole]

Yep... I left the files in the backup subdirectory untouched. Just copied the two nero files to the main BDMV folder. Will let you know how it worked.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Scenarist allowed me to generate a blu ray disk at 23.976 fps but not at 29.970 fps.

Check if the video has the interlace flags on, if it does it have to work[/QUOTE]


I plan on using the new version of imgburn. It has an option for udf 2.5 and udf 2.6. Does it matter which one I use. Also are there any other setting that I should worry about?

Use 2.5, if you use 2.6 old (firmware) players won't read it.

On your blu ray x264 profile... Your using a CPB of 30,000 and a max of 38,000. I think that the max should be less or equal to the CPB. Also, do you think for a target bitrate of 8000 that a spike could reach 30,000. Maybe the level 4.0 limits would be OK, which are CPB = 25,000 kbps and vbr max = 20,000 kbps. Or are the limit you set required for blu ray and/or ps3 compliance?

As I said...you can set lower values to those parameters...38000 and 30000 are the maximum.

About the 8000...it could, but having high peaks you would also have "low (500-4000) peaks"...If you don't want "low peaks"=low quality, limit the maximum quantizer (ie --qpmax 26,--qpmax 32). Then video will go to low bitrates just if higher ones are not necessary for an acceptable quality

Yep... I left the files in the backup subdirectory untouched. Just copied the two nero files to the main BDMV folder. Will let you know how it worked.

Thanks

@ All you people
Pelican9 has released a new supread version that outputs bdn...

[jamos]

@ All you people
Pelican9 has released a new supread version that outputs bdn...

yes tested it it exports fine have not used it in scen yet will get back to see if it works.

edit: scenarist stops responding when importing it so there is a bug in the xml.

[jamos]

About the 8000...it could, but having high peaks you would also have "low (500-4000) peaks"...If you don't want "low peaks"=low quality, limit the maximum quantizer (ie --qpmax 26,--qpmax 32). Then video will go to low bitrates just if higher ones are not necessary for an acceptable quality



From what i have seen Xolo your blu-ray templates avg. bitrate of 8000 usually reduces the size of the original m2ts considerably about 75%. so if you want near lossless encoding, probably around a avg of 25,000 would be about right. Remember all, that if you coming from a mkv your avg. bitrate is probably much lower, so putting in a higher bitrate than the original is just going to make your file bigger and not give you any gain in quality. You can use mediainfo on your mkv to see what avg. bitrate it was encoded at. The higher the avg. bitrate the slower the encode as a general rule.

[marco_ooo]

yes tested it it exports fine have not used it in scen yet will get back to see if it works.

edit: scenarist stops responding when importing it so there is a bug in the xml.


same here

[marco_ooo]

1 quick question

planning to buy a blu ray burner :)

but if i burn the original files at a bd disc will de ps3 see him as a avchd or a bd disk ?

[jamos]

1 quick question

planning to buy a blu ray burner :)

but if i burn the original files at a bd disc will de ps3 see him as a avchd or a bd disk ?

if you rip it with anydvd and burn it it will see it as a bd disk as long as you use udf 2.5 format.

this is a good one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129021

[marco_ooo]

and if i use the original files from scenarist *.bdmv

[jamos]

and if i use the original files from scenarist *.bdmv

yes you would use the original files, the nero files are for AVCHD only.

[MovieRipper]

ok just to elaborate on marcos way to import subtitles which works well.

export .srt subtitle from mkv using mkvextract
download subtitleworkshop 2.51 http://www.urusoft.net/download.php?lang=1&id=sw
run subtitleworkshop 2.51 open .srt file exported from mkv with 23.976 selected
change bottom left frame rate drop down to 24
save as srt (double click on the subrip icon)
open subtitleworkshop beta4
open srt saved from subtitleworkshop 2.51
choose file export to custom image format
choose video format tab use either 720 or 1080 and choose non drop frame 23.976
then change the text color in the font to something other than white (green works good)
then click export to create a bdn .xml file
import bdn file (.xml) from scenarist in the data tab
click on clip then go to clip editor PG timeline and right click
choose timeinfo and set the video offset equal to the start of the first subtitle (to get the time of the first subtitle use tool subtitle arranger menu item)

Well it seems like subtitleworkshop beta 4 did the trick for me on it's own. Subs were perfectly in sync. I also didn't have to do timeline adjustments in scenarist.

About the color: When you leave the subs white and you open te png files in imageready, te colors seem ok. Could it be that it has something to do with Scenarist mistaking white color for transparant color? If you'd look at earlier subs for scenarist, they used to be blue with red borders if I'm not mistaken.

Except for the encoding, these steps go by pretty quick if you've gotten the hang of it :)

Thnx very much for the tutorial Xolo!

[Dethis]

Hello,

http://www.emedialive.com/articles/readarticle.aspx?articleid=11397#iii

While the BD max user bitrate is 54Mbps .... In the table linked the BD-5/9 max user bitrate is stated as 33.4Mbps. And looks logical If BD-5/9 speed is 3XDVD. It would need a 4.5XDVD speed to achive the 54Mbps datarate of the BD.

Is the linked Faq wrong about BD-5/9 ??

If not then max peak bitrate should be same as in HD-DVD profile (something like 28000) instead of 38000

[Sagittaire]

Hello,

http://www.emedialive.com/articles/readarticle.aspx?articleid=11397#iii

While the BD max user bitrate is 54Mbps .... In the table linked the BD-5/9 max user bitrate is stated as 33.4Mbps. And looks logical If BD-5/9 speed is 3XDVD. It would need a 4.5XDVD speed to achive the 54Mbps datarate of the BD.

Is the linked Faq wrong about BD-5/9 ??

If not then max peak bitrate should be same as in HD-DVD profile (something like 28000) instead of 38000

Correct. BD9 use 3XDVD speed and work exactly like HDDVD9. You must use maxrate at 29.4 Mbps for 1080p video ES in BD9 project. For mux max datarate must be at 31.24 Mbps or something like that.

And you can use 3 bframes with pymamid bframe with 3 pref and 2 bref or 3 bframes without pyramid bframe with 4 pref and 3 bref. Max GOP is 1.000 sec. Wpred work too. Max buffer is 30 000 Kbits.

In fact BluRay video profile is by far better for HD at low bitrate than video HDDVD profile (at least gain at 10% with the same source only with the better maxgop value).

[jamos]

Well it seems like subtitleworkshop beta 4 did the trick for me on it's own. Subs were perfectly in sync. I also didn't have to do timeline adjustments in scenarist.

About the color: When you leave the subs white and you open te png files in imageready, te colors seem ok. Could it be that it has something to do with Scenarist mistaking white color for transparant color? If you'd look at earlier subs for scenarist, they used to be blue with red borders if I'm not mistaken.

Except for the encoding, these steps go by pretty quick if you've gotten the hang of it :)

Thnx very much for the tutorial Xolo!

can you explain how you got it in sync without adjusting the video offset in scenarist?

also what source are you using a .srt? what was your framrate on video?

[MovieRipper]

can you explain how you got it in sync without adjusting the video offset in scenarist?

also what source are you using a .srt? what was your framrate on video?

As source I was usin a sample mkv clip.
- Extracted the subtitles from it (.srt).
- Loaded them into subtitleworkshop 4 beta 2
- Made sure I selected Time for mode and 23,976 as FPS
- File -> export to -> custom image format
- Sonic Scenarist HDMV authoring for script and PNG 8 bit as image format
- HD 720p for video format, 30 frames/sec drop-frame for Timecode format and frame rate was 23,976.
- changed the font color into something light except white
- Exported

Video framerate I left at 23,976 like the source .mkv it came from.

Now I have to say that it was a sample I tried and Scenarist gave me a warning while importing the subs and adjusted some values for some inTC and outTC's.

In the end all was fine. Was only a little sample clip I tried so maybe I was lucky.

[marco_ooo]

mayby if we ad a subpicture at 00.00.00 in the srt then we dont need to set the off set

i will give it a go tomorrow

[jamos]

mayby if we ad a subpicture at 00.00.00 in the srt then we dont need to set the off set

i will give it a go tomorrow

yes maybe that is how he did it marco. but why bother just as easy to set it in scenarist. it was a sample so the subs may have started right away. if he would of done a full picture he most likely would of gotten sync issues.

[marco_ooo]

yes maybe that is how he did it marco. but why bother just as easy to set it in scenarist. it was a sample so the subs may have started right away. if he would of done a full picture he most likely would of gotten sync issues.

thats true i am happy it is working :) and to set the offset is no problem at all if you have done it a couple of time

do you mayby know some information on how to make a simple menu

let say a start menu for 3 movies on a disc so that i can choice what movie i want to see this is for a blu ray disc

and

is it possible to make bd5 or bd9 with menu on a ps3 ?

[MovieRipper]

yes maybe that is how he did it marco. but why bother just as easy to set it in scenarist. it was a sample so the subs may have started right away. if he would of done a full picture he most likely would of gotten sync issues.

Nope, didn't add any subpictures in the original SRT, really didn't, haven't even thought about that :)

also, this is the startin time of the first sub:

1
00:00:00,527 --> 00:00:05,366
Every single man or woman who
has fought an agent has died.

OK, it's not a whole second but it's not 00:00:00 either. Like I said, maybe I just got lucky :) Just wanted to comment it that's all.

[jamos]

Nope, didn't add any subpictures in the original SRT, really didn't, haven't even thought about that :)

also, this is the startin time of the first sub:

1
00:00:00,527 --> 00:00:05,366
Every single man or woman who
has fought an agent has died.

OK, it's not a whole second but it's not 00:00:00 either. Like I said, maybe I just got lucky :) Just wanted to comment it that's all.

that is so close to the start it probably looked in sync as withen a second your not going to notice out of sync issues, but if you were to say go 1 more hour into the movie you probably would really notice it. If I were you i would still follow putting a offset in.

[Atak_Snajpera]

Here's my formula which calculates bitrate for m2ts in bluray structure (TSRemux). Sorry for delay but I had to do additional tests.

if audiobitrate=196608 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.006975446)/100; //size in MB
if audiobitrate=229376 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.010146104)/100;
if audiobitrate=262144 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.008585165)/100;
if audiobitrate=393216 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.007971939)/100;
if audiobitrate=458752 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.010146104)/100;
if audiobitrate=655360 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.006975446)/100; //655360 = 640kbps * 1024

if audiobitrate=0 then overhead:=1.074 else overhead:=1+(duration*multiplier+4.34)/100; //Duration in seconds , overhead is constant if you mux without audio


if copyaudiostream=0 then calculatebitrate:=(size*1048576/overhead/duration*8-audiobitrate)/1000;
if copyaudiostream=1 then calculatebitrate:=(size*1048576/overhead-AudioFileSize*1.024)/duration*8/1000; //AudioFileSize in bytes

If you don't have time for math use RipBot264 v1.8.11 :)

[jamos]

Here's my formula which calculates bitrate for m2ts in bluray structure (TSRemux). Sorry for delay but I had to do additional tests.

if audiobitrate=196608 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.006975446)/100; //size in MB
if audiobitrate=229376 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.010146104)/100;
if audiobitrate=262144 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.008585165)/100;
if audiobitrate=393216 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.007971939)/100;
if audiobitrate=458752 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.010146104)/100;
if audiobitrate=655360 then multiplier:=1/(size*0.006975446)/100; //655360 = 640kbps * 1024

if audiobitrate=0 then overhead:=1.074 else overhead:=1+(duration*multiplier+4.34)/100; //Duration in seconds , overhead is constant if you mux without audio


if copyaudiostream=0 then calculatebitrate:=(size*1048576/overhead/duration*8-audiobitrate)/1000;
if copyaudiostream=1 then calculatebitrate:=(size*1048576/overhead-AudioFileSize*1.024)/duration*8/1000; //AudioFileSize in bytes

If you don't have time for math use RipBot264 v1.8.11 :)


Thanks Atak, I will look into ripbot for calculating size. currently I use bincsoft bitrate calculator it works good accounting for audio bitrate and I just add 6 min. to the end time of the movie to make sure i do not go over.

[MovieRipper]

that is so close to the start it probably looked in sync as withen a second your not going to notice out of sync issues, but if you were to say go 1 more hour into the movie you probably would really notice it. If I were you i would still follow putting a offset in.

Thnx for the advice. Would've done so anyway. Reason why I didn't do so the first time was cause I'm lazy and was pretty hasitated to try the method out :)

@Atak_Snajpera: thnx for the formula.

[Sagittaire]

1) Well in fact the max multiplexing bitrate for BD9 with Scenarist HDMV is ~26 Mbps ... ?

2) If you want make synchro with xml subtiltles from SubtitleWorkshop4 you must set offset at the first subtitles time. Anyway SubtitleWorkshop4 don't work correctly at this time. It's very difficult (possible but difficult) to make BDN xml subtitles with open source at this time.

[jacobshek]

If we use workshop 2.51 to change subtitle to 24p and then do offset in scenarist, the subtitle sync seems ok. But do you guys feel the subtitle in png file(1920x1080) is very small even used 72 font size for generation? Any solutions for generating a big size subtitle?

[jamos]

If we use workshop 2.51 to change subtitle to 24p and then do offset in scenarist, the subtitle sync seems ok. But do you guys feel the subtitle in png file(1920x1080) is very small even used 72 font size for generation? Any solutions for generating a big size subtitle?

you still have to export with subtitleworkshop 4 after you have changed the timings in 2.51. in the export image options you can change the font to whatever type and size you want (just wish the white color would work). If you are referring to the limit of 72 in the drop down you can type in a larger size.

[marco_ooo]

i have a problem :)

i have a avchd muxed by tsremux way
but it is a live hdtv recording from metallica and i want to do him with scenarist so that i can do every nr a chapter
but the resolution is 1280x720 fps=29,970 and this combination scenarist wont take as input

now i encoded him with megui to 1280x720 and a fps of 23.976 and scenarist is doing ok but the audio is not synch

what do i forget to get this working

[Glorioso]

I'm a real newbie... in the first pass how can i make megui to encode the file with that parameters?

[Atak_Snajpera]

If you are new in town use RipBot264 instead of MeGUI.

[Glorioso]

If you are new in town use RipBot264 instead of MeGUI.

And what settings should i use to make the file BluRay compatible?

[Atak_Snajpera]

select .m2ts , click lock size and select size (4480 for Single layer DVD or 8150 for dual layer) go to properties and select FHD 1920x... or HD 1280x... After encoding use TSRemux to get BluRay structure.

[Glorioso]

select .m2ts , click lock size and select size (4480 for Single layer DVD or 8150 for dual layer) go to properties and select FHD 1920x... or HD 1280x... After encoding use TSRemux to get BluRay structure.

I'll use Scenarist because of the subtitles. I've tested ripbot but have one problem, in my XP PC it's slow as death, Celeron 2.8:mad:, and in my other PC, on Vista, i cant get ripboot to work, when i press star it says ends right away and creates no file.

[marco_ooo]

I'll use Scenarist because of the subtitles. I've tested ripbot but have one problem, in my XP PC it's slow as death, Celeron 2.8:mad:, and in my other PC, on Vista, i cant get ripboot to work, when i press star it says ends right away and creates no file.


here on a xp machine q6600 at 2,4 ghz

first pass 17 fps this is for a resolution of 1080 is that a normal speed

it is mine first time i use ripbot will the *.264 be good for scenarist ?

[jamos]

here on a xp machine q6600 at 2,4 ghz

first pass 17 fps this is for a resolution of 1080 is that a normal speed

it is mine first time i use ripbot will the *.264 be good for scenarist ?

sounds about right marco using 8000 bitrate. ripbot does just what megui does (ie they both encode using x264) plus more i think? it just makes things easier. I like megui better for now just becuase i like to fiddle with the settings. I am not sure how ripbot handles mkvs with cropped video ie does it add the borders to make the video complient?

[NorthPole]

now i encoded him with megui to 1280x720 and a fps of 23.976 and scenarist is doing ok but the audio is not synch
what do i forget to get this working

After you add your video and audio under the data tab, there is a section in the lower left corner that says properties.

I seem to always have to change the audio frame rate to 23.976 in this section before dragging them over to the stream tab.

dunno if that helps.

[marco_ooo]

it is mine first time i use ripbot will the *.264 be good for scenarist ?


to bad i get a buffer underflow when i start to mux
i used het level4.1 hd-bluray-console profile

but i love the m2ts calculation :(

[marco_ooo]

After you add your video and audio under the data tab, there is a section in the lower left corner that says properties.

I seem to always have to change the audio frame rate to 23.976 in this section before dragging them over to the stream tab.

dunno if that helps.


i will give it a try

[NorthPole]

And you can use 3 b-frames with pymamid b-frames with 3 p-ref and 2 b-ref or

3 b-frames without pyramid bframes with 4 p-ref and 3 b-ref.
Max GOP is 1.000 sec.
W(eighted)-pred work too.
Max buffer is 30 000 Kbits.

Thanks...

Just curious where you found your info?

So the Max GOP should be equal to your frame rate.

Isn't the max buffer tied to the level your using?

[Atak_Snajpera]

to bad i get a buffer underflow when i start to mux
i used het level4.1 hd-bluray-console profile

but i love the m2ts calculation

Once TSMuxer have BluRay structure finished everybody will forget about stupid , "Cheap" Scenarists :)

[jamos]

Once TSMuxer have BluRay structure finished everybody will forget about stupid , "Cheap" Scenarists :)

yes it will make life easier. but our company bought our copy, so I like using it and never had issues with it. I always use xolos profiles in megui before hand though.
Maybe some of these folks are using hacked copies that probably have bugs in them.

[AKarpo]

This really is some phenomenal work. Who can I donate $5 to show my thanks?

[Atak_Snajpera]

To avoid buffer underflow you must use Thread 1 instead of auto. T

[NorthPole]

i will give it a try

I did a test without changing the audio frame rate property and it didn't seem to make any difference. My a/v was in sync either way.

[maciejka79]

hi
my dvd5 doesn't work
i made hdmv project in scenarist without any menu, just 5 min movie(encoded in cinevison - vc1) without any audio. changed CopyPermissionIndicator to 0, muxed, deleted aacs and certificate and burn in nero(udf2.5)
it works on powerDvd but not on my player (BD-P1000)
what did i do wrong??
thanks for any answer

mac
sorry for my english:)

[digitalvideo]

CopyPermissionIndicator to 0 is only for PS3, normally you can also let the AACS folder.

Like this it work for me.

[jamos]

hi
my dvd5 doesn't work
i made hdmv project in scenarist without any menu, just 5 min movie(encoded in cinevison - vc1) without any audio. changed CopyPermissionIndicator to 0, muxed, deleted aacs and certificate and burn in nero(udf2.5)
it works on powerDvd but not on my player (BD-P1000)
what did i do wrong??
thanks for any answer

mac
sorry for my english:)

if your player is capable of AVCHD you must copy the nero BDMV files that Xolos provided into the stream directory before you burn it .

[Sven78]

Hi i have a problem with backup my ice age 2 blu ray movie. i rip the movie with anydvd to my hard drive. demux video and audio with tsmuxer. video is Mpeg2 and audio is AC3 ( German ). Scenarist dosent like the the movie file. So i test it with tsmuxer to make a ts file. then with tsremux genarate a BluRay Disk and burn it with Nero UDF 2.5 .the movie is stuttering the sound is sync and ok. what is false ?? my other movies from HD DVD to BluRay works fine ??

Sorry for my english

Thanks

[MrFaust]

I hate to sound like an uber noob, but is there anyway someone can put this guide together along with pictures so it might be less confusing for those us new to this process? I've been chomping at the bit to be able to put mkv files in a feasible format that the PS3 will like and play without having to cut it up into multiple parts and transfer to the hdd.

I guess the most confusing part is megui and importing the bluray profiles. I've tried and nothing shows up in the import box.

[B4tm4n]

Thank you XolocoTuxmaster, with your guide and Pelican9s supread, I 've started to make my own BD-9 discs with dual audios and subs.

Cheers.


I guess the most confusing part is megui and importing the bluray profiles. I've tried and nothing shows up in the import box.

Copy the profiles from the zip file to the 'C:\Program Files\megui\profiles\Video' folder.

[jacobshek]

you still have to export with subtitleworkshop 4 after you have changed the timings in 2.51. in the export image options you can change the font to whatever type and size you want (just wish the white color would work). If you are referring to the limit of 72 in the drop down you can type in a larger size.

Even I typed size more then 72, the sample screen shows the bigger size, but finally the size generated in png still in 72 size, looks so small. And then I tried many times for different font size, seems the program can't be generate the font size more then 72. Did you guys can do that? Or any else software for generating png files with or without bnd.xml files?

[n0mag!c]

video is Mpeg2 and audio is AC3 ( German ). Scenarist dosent like the the movie file. So i test it with tsmuxer to make a ts file. then with tsremux genarate a BluRay Disk and burn it with Nero UDF 2.5 .the movie is stuttering the sound is sync and ok. what is false ??
as I wrote in TsMuxer thread - this is a TsMuxer issue with MPEG-2 video. I need to use Scenarist to get the flawless result.

[n0mag!c]

Using this method you will get a 100% standard Blu-ray content, but bruning that content on a DVD (BD-5) or double layer DVD (BD-9) is not standard at all. Nevertheless, several BD players play them some of them considering them as an AVCHD (PS3)...but then plays as a normal BD, so all codecs and subtitles are supported

Creating the BD
You need at least Sonic.Scenarist.BDA.v4.20
That's all, now you have 100% standard BD content, for burning:
*On a Blu-ray:
--Just BDMV folder on it

*Confirm no PS3 players compatibility

I tryed to burn BDMV folder from Scenarist muxing result (and even with AACS and CERTIFICATE folder) on BD-RE, but PS3 didn't play it, although recognizes BDMV on BD-RE. PS3 displays "this is an invalid disk" message. But when I then use TsRemux with "blu-ray ouput format" onto resulting .M2TS file from Scenarist and burn result, then PS3 plays ok. But what is the way to get more then one clip?

[Sebasd5]

I have a question about this step:

14. Now save your project and quit Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

I didn't change this in all the BD5s I burned, however when I burn the structure I always leave out the AACS folder. If I burn it along with the other two the disc won't play, but if I leave that one out, it will without problems. I have a Sony BDP-S300. Are there any other players that will not play my discs because I didn't change that?

[jamos]

I have a question about this step:

14. Now save your project and quit Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

I didn't change this in all the BD5s I burned, however when I burn the structure I always leave out the AACS folder. If I burn it along with the other two the disc won't play, but if I leave that one out, it will without problems. I have a Sony BDP-S300. Are there any other players that will not play my discs because I didn't change that?

you do not need the aacs folder for playing BDs or DVDs and thus you do not need to worry about changing the copypermission. just leave out the folder on burn. only need the BDMV and the Certificate folders to make it BD complient.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

do you mayby know some information on how to make a simple menu

let say a start menu for 3 movies on a disc so that i can choice what movie i want to see this is for a blu ray disc

I don't know but it's explained at Scenarist HDMV manual.

Maybe this guide by Jokin helps you

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135728


is it possible to make bd5 or bd9 with menu on a ps3 ?
You can make menus for AVCHD with Nero Vision. For official BD-5/BD-9 you can make Blu-ray menus(pop-up...java...)using Scenarist, but don't know if these ones will work at PS3, because of the AVCHD stuff

Thank you XolocoTuxmaster, with your guide and Pelican9s supread, I 've started to make my own BD-9 discs with dual audios and subs.

Cheers

You're welcome :)

This really is some phenomenal work. Who can I donate $5 to show my thanks?

You can do it by paypal to:

xolocotuxmaster[at]gmail[dot]com

Thank you:thanks:

@all you people

I see that a lot of you have doubts with CopyPermision. Just two things:
>3< doesn't enable a full (AACS) encryption, that's why you can for example input the "encrypted" files to Tsremux.
>0< is necessary for PS3 compatibility

[jamos]

@all you people

I see that a lot of you have doubts with CopyPermision. Just two things:
>3< doesn't enable a full (AACS) encryption, that's why you can for example input the "encrypted" files to Tsremux.
>0< is necessary for PS3 compatibility


If you do not include the AACS folder in your burn do you need to do this?

[PHD_1976]

To avoid buffer underflow you must use Thread 1 instead of auto. T

Could you please be more specific about avoiding buffer underflow, because I get "audio buffer underflow" trying to mux TrueHD stream in Scenarist.
Thanx in advance.

[Ryu77]

Hello everybody at doom9. This is my first post on these forums.

Previously I have spent a lot of time on www.afterdawn.com helping many people to create PS3 compatible HD movie files with the applications I found on this wonderful site. I've posted many links to download the software you guys create. I thought it's about time I joined up here at doom9 and started talking to the Authors of all this great software.

I just read through this entire thread and I am not sure if I missed it, but I have one question...

Is there a proven method to create PS3 compatible AVCHD/BD5/BD9 discs with working switchable subtitles?

I read here on many occasions that these discs are playing on the PS3 without a problem and I have already previously achieved this a number of times. However, at this point in time I have had no luck getting subtitles to work on the PS3 with HD video (720p/1080p). I can see verification that these play on PowerDVD (v7.2) but I can't seem to find a clear statement that these subs work on the PS3. Please excuse me if I missed this.

PS: A big, BIG thank you to all the Authors of all this incredible software. :)

[B4tm4n]

Hello everybody at doom9. This is my first post on these forums.

Previously I have spent a lot of time on www.afterdawn.com helping many people to create PS3 compatible HD movie files with the applications I found on this wonderful site. I've posted many links to download the software you guys create. I thought it's about time I joined up here at doom9 and started talking to the Authors of all this great software.

I just read through this entire thread and I am not sure if I missed it, but I have one question...

Is there a proven method to create PS3 compatible AVCHD/BD5/BD9 discs with working switchable subtitles?

I read here on many occasions that these discs are playing on the PS3 without a problem and I have already previously achieved this a number of times. However, at this point in time I have had no luck getting subtitles to work on the PS3 with HD video (720p/1080p). I can see verification that these play on PowerDVD (v7.2) but I can't seem to find a clear statement that these subs work on the PS3. Please excuse me if I missed this.

PS: A big, BIG thank you to all the Authors of all this incredible software. :)

I've produced at least three disc with working subtitles on my PS3, but I only do 1080p from encodes done by myself from the original source. Just follow the tutorial in the first thread and use Pelican9's supread for the subs.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121535

Always get the latest version of the software.

[Ryu77]

I've produced at least three disc with working subtitles on my PS3, but I only do 1080p from encodes done by myself from the original source. Just follow the tutorial in the first thread and use Pelican9's supread for the subs.

Always get the latest version of the software.

Thank you, I am about to do a 720p encode and follow the steps on the first page of this thread.

It's a 2.35:1 aspect ratio video so I believe that I needed to add borders, right?

The resolution was 1280 x 528, so I added 96 lines to each the top and bottom.

[jamos]

Thank you, I am about to do a 720p encode and follow the steps on the first page of this thread.

It's a 2.35:1 aspect ratio video so I believe that I needed to add borders, right?

The resolution was 1280 x 528, so I added 96 lines to each the top and bottom.

did you read my tutorial on how to do this yes you need to add borders to make it 720p

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135795

[B4tm4n]

The resolution was 1280 x 528, so I added 96 lines to each the top and bottom.

You should read Jamos thread, I always use the the original Bluray or HD-DVD so don't need to add the borders.
But if I had to add borders, I would be reading that thread aswell.:)

[Ryu77]

did you read my tutorial on how to do this yes you need to add borders to make it 720p

It was a rhetorical question. :)

Yes, I did take a look the guide. Thank you for posting that link. :thanks:
I am already quite familiar with all those steps and applications. Previously I had been happy with leaving my HD videos in a m2ts container for my PS3. This way I didn't have any concern if they were cropped or not (and not having chapters didn't bother me at all). However, I just recently discovered a couple of applications here at doom9 allowing subtitles to be included in an AVCHD (BD-5/BD-9) disc.

Now, that gives me the motivation to take it one step further and start authoring those mini BD discs. So, obviously if I have a cropped source I will need to fill up the remainder of the vertical resolution with black borders.

Thank you for the help guys. Keep up the great work!

[Ryu77]

Please excuse my double post. :)

One question... What would be the advantage of using this method as opposed to Roman's tsMuxeR?

My goal is to create a 720p (1280 x 720) AVCHD (BD-9) disc, with 2 audio tracks (DTS and ac3) and a subtitle track to play on the PS3.

Couldn't I just output Blu-ray in tsMuxeR and burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE (<--- do I leave out this if created by tsMuxeR too?) folders as UDF 2.5 in Nero?

I tried once and it played but it seemed to "stick" a lot. Chapters and seeking didn't seem to work. I am using high quality media (Verbatim) with slow burn speeds (4x).

Is there something that I am missing? Do I need to use the Nero BDMV files with tsMuxeR too?

Or is this method here more reliable?

[B4tm4n]

@XolocoTuxmaster

Will this structure allow for a menu to be included in the disc yo be played back on a PS3 ?
I keep getting the PS3 to start playing the 'AVCHD' disc and then it errors out, I'm using the nero files to get the disc recognised. Without a menu it plays fine.

[blu_definition]

Hi, i am new from here and i have a probleme with Mui Generator
it give me an error when i try to create the .ves from the video file the other one it's work perfectly.

this is the message: http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/3/16/f_untitledm_840c2aa.jpg&srv=img26

[B4tm4n]

@XolocoTuxmaster

Will this structure allow for a menu to be included in the disc yo be played back on a PS3 ?
I keep getting the PS3 to start playing the 'AVCHD' disc and then it errors out, I'm using the nero files to get the disc recognised. Without a menu it plays fine.

I'm an idiot, in all the excitement of getting menus working I kept forgetting the change copy permission step.

[jamos]

Hi, i am new from here and i have a probleme with Mui Generator
it give me an error when i try to create the .ves from the video file the other one it's work perfectly.

this is the message: http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/3/16/f_untitledm_840c2aa.jpg&srv=img26

most likely you need to run the video file through a transcoder first using xolos bluray profiles with megui.

[blu_definition]

most likely you need to run the video file through a transcoder first using xolos bluray profiles with megui.

hello, i must use the megui before use xport or after?

jamos, i tried to run the megui profiles on the original .m2ts but it seems to stay too long almost 30 hours on 1st pass.

[napalm-187]

hi
i have a prob with srt file converting the scenarist bdn file

the srt have 172 titles i esport them wubtitle workshop export only 110 tiltels
i import the xml file in scenarist and get warnings

the movie length is 1,49.05 the subtitle shows onöy 1.05
where is here the prob?

the next prob ist supread
i have sup from hd dvd this is an forced sub

i cant get png and ssc files for scenarist?
can anyone help me

many thx

[Ryu77]

Please excuse me for posting this again but before I waste 20+ hours doing a h264 encode, I would really like to have some grounding before I begin. I posted this earlier but didn't get an answer. Would anybody be able to provide some insight into the following?...

One question... What would be the advantage of using this method as opposed to Roman's tsMuxeR?

My goal is to create a 720p (1280 x 720) AVCHD (BD-9) disc, with 2 audio tracks (DTS and ac3) and a subtitle track to play on the PS3.

Couldn't I just output Blu-ray in tsMuxeR and burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE (<--- do I leave out this if created by tsMuxeR too?) folders as UDF 2.5 in Nero?

I tried once and it played but it seemed to "stick" a lot. Chapters and seeking didn't seem to work. I am using high quality media (Verbatim) with slow burn speeds (4x).

Is there something that I am missing? Do I need to use the Nero BDMV files with tsMuxeR too?

Or is this method here more reliable?

Thank you very much for your help! :thanks:

[jamos]

hello, i must use the megui before use xport or after?

jamos, i tried to run the megui profiles on the original .m2ts but it seems to stay too long almost 30 hours on 1st pass.

what is your computer speed? x264 encoders are very cpu intensive.

[jamos]

Please excuse me for posting this again but before I waste 20+ hours doing a h264 encode, I would really like to have some grounding before I begin. I posted this earlier but didn't get an answer. Would anybody be able to provide some insight into the following?...



Thank you very much for your help! :thanks:

the newest version of tsmuxer works better with ff/rw. If you were using a older version you may want to try again. Else, yes you have to transcode.

[Ryu77]

the newest version of tsmuxer works better with ff/rw. If you were using a older version you may want to try again. Else, yes you have to transcode.

Thank you very much jamos but I am more referring to the Blu-ray output. I always get the latest version of any software. Whenever I export m2ts files, they play perfect and seek just fine.

I had one attempt at making an AVCHD (Blu-ray on DVD9 for PS3) for the purpose of including subtitles. I am about to have another crack at it.

My question is, which method produces better (more reliable) results? The method on this thread, or using tsMuxeR to output Blu-ray folder structure?

Also, if I do go with tsMuxer do I leave out the "CERTIFICATE" folder for PS3 compatibility and only burn the "BDMV" folder?

Also, if I use tsMuxeR, should I still replace the BDMV (index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv) files with the Nero ones listed here?

I offer my gratitude to anyone that could offer some clarification here. :thanks:

PS: The only reason I am re-encoding is to include borders for the mini BD (DVD9) compatibility so I can include switchable subtitles. In the past if I had a cropped video, I just muxed into a m2ts container as cropping is not an issue here.

[blu_definition]

what is your computer speed? x264 encoders are very cpu intensive.

i think my cpu is a little to slow PentiumD 925

[jamos]

Thank you very much jamos but I am more referring to the Blu-ray output. I always get the latest version of any software. Whenever I export m2ts files, they play perfect and seek just fine.

I had one attempt at making an AVCHD (Blu-ray on DVD9 for PS3) for the purpose of including subtitles. I am about to have another crack at it.

My question is, which method produces better (more reliable) results? The method on this thread, or using tsMuxeR to output Blu-ray folder structure?

Also, if I do go with tsMuxer do I leave out the "CERTIFICATE" folder for PS3 compatibility and only burn the "BDMV" folder?

Also, if I use tsMuxeR, should I still replace the BDMV (index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv) files with the Nero ones listed here?

I offer my gratitude to anyone that could offer some clarification here. :thanks:

PS: The only reason I am re-encoding is to include borders for the mini BD (DVD9) compatibility so I can include switchable subtitles. In the past if I had a cropped video, I just muxed into a m2ts container as cropping is not an issue here.


I do not have any issues using TSmuxer 1.50b and after, creating bd playback and AVCHD playing on the PS3 and do not have to replace anything. Now of course I always reencode the video if it is from a VC-1 BD or mkv source using megui and xolos bd profiles. My guides are exactly what steps I do. I have one for to make the video BD compliant (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135795) and another on how to make a AVCHD (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134348).

[blu_definition]

after i use the xolo profile it give me this error Invalid mui parameters present flag value = 0 when i try to create the .ves file.

can anyone have an ideea how to jump this error?

[Glorioso]

Two questions:
- Does this Subtittleworkshop/SUPRead method works with 720p files or only 1080p ones?
- How can i stream the result to the PS3?

THX

[Ryu77]

Does using scenarist give us anything other than subtitles? I am using megui but using tsmuxer then tsremux to bd, works just as good except for no subtitles. Also subtitles need some work. Just exporting them from SubtitleWorkshop into scenarist leaves them out of sync and hard to read. you have to play with the colors and offset in scenarist to get them right I am guessing.

edit: played with offset but some are in sync and others are not it would be a major project to line up subtitles imported from a .srt file.

also I wonder if ps3 will play dolby-TD or DTS-hd on a AVCHD mastered with scenarist?

Hello Jamos, did you get an answer for this?

I just created an AVCHD (BD9) using the Scenarist method listed here and my subs came out with the exact same problem. They were almost transparent and out of sync.

Do you know of a way to rectify this?

EDIT: I just found this post...

export .srt subtitle from mkv using mkvextract
download subtitleworkshop 2.51 http://www.urusoft.net/download.php?lang=1&id=sw
run subtitleworkshop 2.51 open .srt file exported from mkv with 23.976 selected
change bottom left frame rate drop down to 24
save as srt (double click on the subrip icon)
open subtitleworkshop beta4
open srt saved from subtitleworkshop 2.51
choose file export to custom image format
choose video format tab use either 720 or 1080 and choose non drop frame 23.976
then change the text color in the font to something other than white (green works good)
then click export to create a bdn .xml file
import bdn file (.xml) from scenarist in the data tab
click on clip then go to clip editor PG timeline and right click
choose timeinfo and set the video offset equal to the start of the first subtitle (to get the time of the first subtitle use tool subtitle arranger menu item)

I am about to give it a try now. I wonder, is the Subtitle Workshop (v2.51) 23.976fps--->24fps step absolutely nesseccary? By changing the offset in Scenarist doesn't rectify this without the fps conversion?

[Ryu77]

Two questions:
- Does this Subtittleworkshop/SUPRead method works with 720p files or only 1080p ones?
- How can i stream the result to the PS3?

THX

Subtitle Workshop 4 can export 720p or 1080p subtitles. SUPread can only export 1080p subtitles at this time. From what I've read here, it might not be too long before that is changed though. Let's hope...


EDIT: Update from the post above this one ^...

The conversion in Subtitle Workshop (v2.51) from 23.976-->24fps for srt subs is needed for for Sonic Scenarist to correct the sync ssue.

XolocoTuxmaster, if I could suggest some refinement to your fantastic guide on the front page...

SRT:

1. Load srt file into Subtitle Workshop (v2.51). Set Input FPS to 23.976, and Output FPS tp 24fps. Save new srt file.
2. Load *.srt file by SubtitleWorkshop4 (version 4 support bdn file export)
3. Clicks file->export customize image subtitle
4. Select 8bit PNG, and select movie resolution and fps.
5. Change font colour to anything other than white (lighter colours like yellow, green or blue are recommended).
6. Export

And...

Creating the BD

You need at least Sonic.Scenarist.BDA.v4.20

8. Go to Stream tree tab
*9.1. Drag the video files onto stream,( this will create a playlist and a clip.)
*9.2. Drag the audio files onto the clip (be careful with the track order)
*9.3. Drag the subtitles files onto the clip
*9.4. Open up the "Tool" drop down menu up the top of the window. Press "Subtitle Arranger" and then "OK". Note the start time of the first subtitle.
*9.5. In the "Clip Editor" tab, right click on the subtitle (PG) and press "Time info...". Then adjust the video offset to the start time of the first subtitle.
10. Click on the Scenario editor tab
11. Select First Playback then right click on it and select Set movie object.
12. Do the Same for top menu.
13. Now drag the playlist onto both MO#1 this will create a nice tree structure.
*14. Now save your project and quit Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

Change the 3 to a 0 (zero). This will prevent the disc from being flagged as encrypted. This is very important. If you do not perform this step your disc will NOT work.


PS:...
to bad i get a buffer underflow when i start to mux
i used het level4.1 hd-bluray-console profile

I had this same problem when using MKVextract GUI to demux. I found that if I ran the elementary h264 stream through h264info, with no alterations (all fields blank) and saved a new h264 file. This fixed the problem and it all worked fine! :)

[hm10]

i exported in sws 4.2 beta and import on scenarist but i see on powerdvd only the first line of the subs every time instead the next line...

what to do?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

XolocoTuxmaster, if I could suggest some refinement to your fantastic guide on the front page...


Sure, thank you very much.

By the way, maybe the guide is getting all obsolete. TSmuxer added blu-ray output some weeks ago, and it's getting better and better, THEY EVEN RELEASED A LINUX VERSION!!!! :)

I'm very interested on it now, I have offered myself to port the GUI , I'm going to use it and see how good TSmuxer really is...and consider updating the guide

[Ryu77]

Sure, thank you very much.

By the way, maybe the guide is getting all obsolete. TSmuxer added blu-ray output some weeks ago, and it's getting better and better, THEY EVEN RELEASED A LINUX VERSION!!!! :)

I'm very interested on it now, I have offered myself to port the GUI , I'm going to use it and see how good TSmuxer really is...and consider updating the guide

You are quite right! I was even thinking the exact same thing myself.

The only reason I was interested in the Sonic Scenarist method was to include subs in a 720p encode. It seems as though this shouldn't be far away with tsMuxeR though

I am looking forward to that very much! :)

EDIT: Thank you very much for including my recommendations! :thanks: I noticed you left out the reference to Subtitle Workshop (v2.51) in the first step in the srt section. I think it is important to differentiate, as it is v2.51 that can do this (23.976fps-->24fps) not v4.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

ok, thought v4 could do it too

[jamos]

Hello Jamos, did you get an answer for this?

I just created an AVCHD (BD9) using the Scenarist method listed here and my subs came out with the exact same problem. They were almost transparent and out of sync.

Do you know of a way to rectify this?

EDIT: I just found this post...



I am about to give it a try now. I wonder, is the Subtitle Workshop (v2.51) 23.976fps--->24fps step absolutely nesseccary? By changing the offset in Scenarist doesn't rectify this without the fps conversion?


no they will start off in sync but slowly go out of sync due to dropping frames. I have no issues using supread now.

[hm10]

i exported in sws 4.2 beta and import on scenarist but i see on powerdvd only the first line of the subs every time instead the next line...

what to do?

someone kniw what to do?

[survivant001]

I try to create a BD with 2 stream and I want to second clip to start after the first.

I obtain this as error :

Only one Plailist can be executed in one MovieObject

[~bT~]

No, AVCHD has its own specs, mainly stated by:
-Video codec: AVC
-Audio codec: Dolby Digital, PCM 1.5 Mbps
-More than one audio track: No
-Subtitles: No

Is the above still true?? taken from 1st post.

[Ryu77]

^ Yes, if you read what Xoloco was trying to say, it certainly is true. AVCHD is a separate format to Blu-ray and therefore has it's own profile boundaries and specifications. What we are talking about here is creating mini Blu-ray discs that the PS3 (or other stand alone Blu-ray players) identify as AVCHD but really contain material that push the boundaries above AVCHD into the Blu-ray format specifications.

[fib0by]

Is anybody actually making BD-9 here?

Those are dual-layer DVDs - what about the layer break? I know that can be an issue when burning DVD9 disks. What will happen when I just burn the BD image on the DVD9? Do I have to put a layer break somewhere? Does it even make sense to talk about the layer break in this context?

[Mikromann]

I finally made the whole thing work and burnt a BD-9 with a 720p video and 2 audio-tracks.
works very fine on the ps3, so therefor i see no problem with the layer-break.

[fib0by]

I finally made the whole thing work and burnt a BD-9 with a 720p video and 2 audio-tracks.
works very fine on the ps3, so therefor i see no problem with the layer-break.

Just curious - did you split it in many stream files (and if yes, how many and how big), or was it everything just one big file?

[Mikromann]

well, i've used megui and an avs script to add borders in a mkv file, so that it matched the 720p standard.
after that i've demuxed the video and audio tracks and finally followed the description on page 1 for the scenarist program.
scenarist muxes the video and audio tracks back together in one m2ts file which is in the BDMV/STREAM folder.
that was about it....my thanks go to 3r1c for making this possible!

[jamos]

Is anybody actually making BD-9 here?

Those are dual-layer DVDs - what about the layer break? I know that can be an issue when burning DVD9 disks. What will happen when I just burn the BD image on the DVD9? Do I have to put a layer break somewhere? Does it even make sense to talk about the layer break in this context?

layer breaks are handled by the burning software you do not need to worry about them.

[fico99]

layer breaks are handled by the burning software you do not need to worry about them.

So what happens with the video playback of that big M2TS file then when your player is doing a layer change?

Does the playback stop for a second, just like with a DVD?

Does the burning software allows you to write a big M2TS file that is spanning the 2 layers of a DVD9 formatted in UDF 2.50?

[Ryu77]

So what happens with the video playback of that big M2TS file then when your player is doing a layer change?

Does the playback stop for a second, just like with a DVD?

When does that happen on a regular DVD? I've never noticed that happening with dual layer discs before. Unless your player does a poor job of buffering. I've seen the warnings on the discs "layer change may trigger slight pause" but it's never happened to me.

Does the burning software allows you to write a big M2TS file that is spanning the 2 layers of a DVD9 formatted in UDF 2.50?

Yes, you can burn a single M2TS file to take up a full DVD-9 in UDF v2.50 file structure.

PS: Jamos, I hope you didn't mind me answering this. :)

[fico99]

Thanks Ryu77 :)

[Mikromann]

i've got a problem concerning scenarist (or rather not knowing where to find an adjustment).
the first bd-9 i've burned worked fine, but the second is totally out of sync between audio and video.
obviously i was just lucky that video and audio were in sync already, so i've got to figure out where to set the audio delay in scenarist, so resync video and audio again.
maybe i'm blind or haven't looked probably, but i can't find it.
does anybody know where to set audio delay?

[ymj]

I try to create a BD with 2 stream and I want to second clip to start after the first.

I obtain this as error :

Only one Plailist can be executed in one MovieObject

May I back this question up again.
This would really be a cool thing to have multi-movies AVCHD (or BD5/9 if you will)

Does this necessarily require a menu ?
Could not it be a simple multi-chapter scheme ?
And what do Playlist do actually ? are they linked to the menu ?

[Rexxx]

My question may be a bit off-topic but this thread is so far the best one fitting my needs.

I am trying to put demo BR image available here (https://hdcookbook.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=0) onto DVD-RW 5. The idea is to play with BD-J stuff available at that site as well and run it on PS3. Initially the disk was only accepted as DATA. After replacing the files with Nero ones it started to be accepted as AVCHD. However menu doesn't work, I cannot fire up BD-J stuff and only one of the videos plays.

I suspect that the changed index files are responsible. Can anyone suggest how to change (what's wrong according to PS3 with the default ones) or recalculate these so they work properly? Is AVCHD to blame? According to Wikipedia Blu-Ray Disco information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#HD_DVD.2FBlu-ray_Disc_hybrid_discs) it should be perfectly possible to use DVD media. According to another Wikipedia page on AVCHD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD) that is something else than BD5/9.

[teedoubleyou]

Hi all.

I've been following this thread, however I am experiencing issues when replacing the index and MovieObject bdmv files for PS3 compatability.

The title is authored in Scenarist, however when replacing the bdmv files with the ones supplied at the top of this thread, the movie plays fine on the PS3, but there is no Top Menu.

The same BDMV title emulated fine in PowerDVD, but there is obviously an issue regarding Top Menu navigation when replacing the bdmv files.

Can anyone shed any light please?

Thanks in advance.

[teedoubleyou]

Hi all,

After experiencing some issues with playing my Scenarist authored blu-ray content on a PS3 (burnt on a DVD), I've found a solution.

Clearly, replacing the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files will allow you to burn your output to a DVD-R for PS3 compatability.
However, replacing these with the files supplied on Page 1 of this thread although resulting in a playable disc, will essentially overwrite your authoring.

I wanted to be able to keep my authoring the same and still be able to play it on the PS3.

Using BDedit I was able to modify the supplied *.bdmv files and add the operations created by my own Scenarist project. After a few trial and error burns, I managed to get the DVD-R to behave as intended.
After that I compared the *.bdmv files in a hex editor, and found that by running the index.bdmv file through AVCHD Patcher and modifying a couple of flags in a hex editor that I was able to successfully burn a Scenarist built project to a DVD-R and retain all menu functionality and run the disc as expected.

This may not be very useful to those of you who just want to watch Bluray content on a DVD-R and a PS3 (as you could just replace the two bdmv files with the 2 supplied at the top of this thread or explore TSRemux), however if you want to author a disc with top-menus, pop-up menus, multiple vidoes and so on, then this method should work.

1. Mux project in Scenarist.
2. Run index.bdmv through AVCHD Patcher (http://wnojikoshya.hp.infoseek.co.jp/AVCHD-Patcher_1.01.rar)
3. Open both MovieObject.bdmv and (the now patched) index.bdmv in a hex editor.
In both MO and index look for INDX0200 and change it to INDX0100. Then in index.bdmv there will be two instances of TR 0 0 1 0 -- replace both these with NV 4 9 7 2.
4. You should now be able to burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to a DVD-R at UDF 2.50 and play on a PS3.

Cheers, I hope this was of some help to some of you.

Thom.

[gojensen]

Indeed it was Thom! Thanks for the above... I authored my BD home movies with DVD Architect 5 from Sony and the resulting ISO when burned on a DVD5 didn't play on the PS3. Using the info in the above post and a reburn made the disc show up as AVCHD (DVD-R) on the PS3 and it played with menus and all.

One note though, in the Movieobject.bdmv file the letters were MOBJ0200 and not INDX0200. I simply changed it to MOBJ0100... Next step now is to find someone with a real BD player and see what it does with it.

So I justed wanted to say it works, and it seems to work with discs authored outside of Scenarist aswell (which is good as I think Scenarist would be overkill for my home projects :D)

[robbyrob]

I was looking for something like this to incorporate the bluray structure on my ps3 with Subtitles..

rob thanks

[blu_definition]

Can anyone help me to create a bd-r 25 gb from one of 50 gb?
i mean an hole blu-ray disc including menu, subtitles and audio


sorry for my english

[JK1974]

Sorry for adding some silly questions quite late, but I just bought an AVCHD camcorder, and finding the right information on AVCHD vs. Blu-ray and especially x264 is quite difficult without reading the threads here every day. I want to get a valid "backup" for later BD authoring as I don´t have any BD player yet to test the results. I simply want to avoid problems on stand-alones which friends or myself might use in the following years resulting in a complete reencode of all the material I have (remuxing would be no problem).

AVCHD is a separate format to Blu-ray and therefore has it's own profile boundaries and specifications.

It looks to me that AVCHD is some kind of compatible subset to BD as it just allows e.g. lower data rates etc. Are there some informations in the AVCHD stream that are not BD-compliant so that a full reencoding would be necessary to be really BD-compliant? Or might it be possible that any incompatible values can be patched "BD-compliant" in the future?
Might an incompatibility be the reason why we don´t find any smart rendering of AVCHD files on commercial editing software as it has to be reencoded anyway or are they still simply not capable of implementing it?

What we are talking about here is creating mini Blu-ray discs that the PS3 (or other stand alone Blu-ray players) identify as AVCHD but really contain material that push the boundaries above AVCHD into the Blu-ray format specifications.

If the disc is recognized as AVCHD instead of BD, is this a flaw in the x264 profile or in the directory structure? Or is it no flaw at all? To get to the point: Is the stream (not the structure) created by x264 BD-compliant as far as we know or is it "just" said to be compatible as it works on the PS3?

Concerning MeGUI - I could use RipBox264 as well but I am missing the "interlace" check box there: ;)
- If I choose the SA-Blu-ray Profile for Reencoding of 1080i50, AVCHD, do I have to alter the keyframe interval from 24 to 25 or 50? Or is this just mandatory?
- How "reliable" is the "interlace" check box? Is interlace encoding implemented (some kind of) correctly now in x264 or is it still said to be "experimental"? Did you find any problems when reencoding AVCHD material with that flag enabled? Deinterlacing everything would definately be no valid solution for me...
- Anything else that would have to be changed in MeGUI having this PAL scenario?

Thanks in advance on any answer... :)

P.S.: Any idea why there is no line-break set automatically in this post? Quiet ugly to read...

[hamletiii]

Hi all,

After experiencing some issues with playing my Scenarist authored blu-ray content on a PS3 (burnt on a DVD), I've found a solution.

Clearly, replacing the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files will allow you to burn your output to a DVD-R for PS3 compatability.
However, replacing these with the files supplied on Page 1 of this thread although resulting in a playable disc, will essentially overwrite your authoring.

I wanted to be able to keep my authoring the same and still be able to play it on the PS3.

Using BDedit I was able to modify the supplied *.bdmv files and add the operations created by my own Scenarist project. After a few trial and error burns, I managed to get the DVD-R to behave as intended.
After that I compared the *.bdmv files in a hex editor, and found that by running the index.bdmv file through AVCHD Patcher and modifying a couple of flags in a hex editor that I was able to successfully burn a Scenarist built project to a DVD-R and retain all menu functionality and run the disc as expected.

This may not be very useful to those of you who just want to watch Bluray content on a DVD-R and a PS3 (as you could just replace the two bdmv files with the 2 supplied at the top of this thread or explore TSRemux), however if you want to author a disc with top-menus, pop-up menus, multiple vidoes and so on, then this method should work.

1. Mux project in Scenarist.
2. Run index.bdmv through AVCHD Patcher (http://wnojikoshya.hp.infoseek.co.jp/AVCHD-Patcher_1.01.rar)
3. Open both MovieObject.bdmv and (the now patched) index.bdmv in a hex editor.
In both MO and index look for INDX0200 and change it to INDX0100. Then in index.bdmv there will be two instances of TR 0 0 1 0 -- replace both these with NV 4 9 7 2.
4. You should now be able to burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to a DVD-R at UDF 2.50 and play on a PS3.

Cheers, I hope this was of some help to some of you.

Thom.

What is this TR 0 0 1 0? I did a search in my index.bdmv file and couldn't find it. Care to explain more in details? thx

[deank]

These text identifiers are available in AVCHD structures, not in Blu-ray ones - that's why you can't find the string (in HEX+TEXT view of index.bdmv).

Making a full Blu-ray disc backup (after BD-RB) to play in PS3 (written on DVD disc) is a tricky thing and it works just for some consoles and for even less movies.

If you're trying to burn a DVD from a BD backup, which contains JAVA (BD-J) - just give up.

If you're in the NTSC region and have NTSC console/player - give up.

Dean