HD-DVD to Blu-Ray. GUIDE UPDATED!!

[glen8]

http://www.glenharrison.com/bluray

I have 'finally' got my new guide finished and uploaded

If anyone uses this guide elsewhere can they please credit both me and this site

Thanks!

[NOTE: This post has been editted so some of the comments below are now redundant as they would have been for the old outdated guide]

for posts regarding this guide see from 18th March 2008 onwards

[Atak_Snajpera]

step 5 can be replaced by muxing directly to 00000.m2ts into /BDMV/STREAM directory

Bluray Structure generated by Scenarist
http://www.mediafire.com/?a4mndhoyfdd

[rack04]

Maybe your title should read "HD-DVD (h.264 and DD+) to Blu-Ray. Working Guide :-)" because you don't address VC-1 and MLP.

[glen8]

Maybe your title should read "HD-DVD (h.264 and DD+) to Blu-Ray. Working Guide :-)" because you don't address VC-1 and MLP.

True

I wasnt aware we had a problem with VC-1?

Just looking at getting DTS sorted altho I don't think there's much of a problem with that

[sugatam]

For VC1, step 3 should refer to vc1conv, right? Other than that, I think the guide is perfect for VC1

[glen8]

Thanks, and thanks for the positive PMs I have been sent.

I'm not an expert by any means but enjoy doing it. It makes me happy converting videos and learning new stuff

[musicman2311]

just did a 1 min test - looks great ! - thanks !!!!!

can it be that the only difference really is to enter 29.976
as framerate rather than 29.97 ???

anyway - 1 min clip looked fantastic - thanks from my side to the writers of these tools

[tyee]

Step 3 isn't necessary (for AVC/x.264) as tsmuxer has that "24/1001" option which is the same as 23.976fps. Anyway that's what I did.

Hey Glen8, does that tsmuxer, .ts file, playback in your computer media player perfect, like Media Player Classic or others you have on hand?

[glen8]

trust me guys, all of those steps are completly necessary. I have done further testing since writing that guide.

If I change the framerate anywhere else other than h264info I get av sync issues and the dreadded 5sec audio problem I listed in another thread.

These steps are the only way I have found after months of testing and using MANY different methods and software of getting everything in sync and working on the PS3.

I have come close a few times but nothing as perfect as this.

I have played back the .ts file on my PC which works fine :-)

musicman, don't you mean 23.976? you need to do that and also to remove the pulldown

[musicman2311]

yes, glen, that is what I meant - 23.976.
And I had gone through the very same as you and confirm all you found. Yesterday I successfully ran a 1 min clip of a difficult stream according to your method. It played perfectly.

As for Vc1 - does anybody here have experience with vc1conv treated files on blu ray - all I know is that scenarist doesn't accept the resulting stream.

I will need to do some testing, when I have time.

but I am eager to get feedback from people with experience.

[bennynihon]

Is there a guide that is in the opposite direction: Bluray to HD-DVD authoring? Long live HD-DVD!

[tyee]

@glen8
I just tried h264info to remove pulldown but I was getting about 150 KBytes/sec. It was taking forever. How long does it take on your machine?

[glen8]

@glen8
I just tried h264info to remove pulldown but I was getting about 150 KBytes/sec. It was taking forever. How long does it take on your machine?

Luckily I have a pretty fast machine (2 x segate 7200.10s in Raid-0, they are the new single platter models) but it still takes a good 30mins

[glen8]

I can confirm that dts from dtshd source also works perfectly using the above guide. It didn't seem to work too well from eac3to but worked great directly from tsMuxeR.

[Trahald]

yeah.. i really need to speed that sucker up. its sucking up tons of cpu for some reason.

[glen8]

yeah.. i really need to speed that sucker up. its sucking up tons of cpu for some reason.

one of my cores is pretty much maxed out so I guess its normal

I have just done the transformers conversion which works great too. I compared that with the version from usenet which seems to be the first hd-dvd > blu-ray ever released.

I've just noticed that the usenet version has DTS. Very strange when you consider it never had a dts track only dolby digital +

I'm wondering if he ripped the audio from the DVD :eek:

[Creator1]

one of my cores is pretty much maxed out so I guess its normal

I have just done the transformers conversion which works great too. I compared that with the version from usenet which seems to be the first hd-dvd > blu-ray ever released.

I've just noticed that the usenet version has DTS. Very strange when you consider it never had a dts track only dolby digital +

I'm wondering if he ripped the audio from the DVD :eek:

glen glen glen, you're my savior! I am at your feets!

I will try your guide tonight if I have the time! :thanks:

It seems the remove pulldown option is new to h264.info because that program didn't have that option before when I tried to find something to remove the damn pulldown.

Also, txMuxer must be a new tool, I never saw it before? Would be cool if it works better than Elecard Xmuxer pro which is not too good imho.

I can answer your question for the DTS track on the usenet version of Transformers. The guy simply converted the DD+ track to DTS 1.5mbps. You can do that with eac3to. In fact, I suggest you always do that as it is the best quality you can have if you don't want DD+ or DTS-HD sound. Just put a ".dts" extension to the destination file in eac3togui and be sure to have "Surcode DVD DTS" installed and eac3to will convert your DD+ source file to DTS 1.5Mbps. That's what I always do.

I will try this guide on the star trek season 1 HD-DVD that I bought. It's the only H.264 HD-DVD I have besides Transformers.

I have two questions though to anyone who tried this guide:

1) Does the elementary stream with pulldown removed import in Scenarist BDA?

2) Can you use the Nero encoder in eac3to instead of the sonic one? Unless things changed it is the best one for sound quality as DRC and other bad stuff can be turned off by eac3to using the Nero decoder but not with the Sonic one.

I want to add some thanks to the makers of all those apps also. Wouldn't be possible without your help guys. :cool:

[musicman2311]

yes, glen, that is what I meant - 23.976.
And I had gone through the very same as you and confirm all you found. Yesterday I successfully ran a 1 min clip of a difficult stream according to your method. It played perfectly.

As for Vc1 - does anybody here have experience with vc1conv treated files on blu ray - all I know is that scenarist doesn't accept the resulting stream.

I will need to do some testing, when I have time.

but I am eager to get feedback from people with experience.

correction - i tested again

23.97 vs 23.976 makes no difference in h264info.

in my earlier tests i had forgotten to set the 'write PPS..' flag,
that makes a big difference - sorry for confusion

[Creator1]

Ok, I did a quick test tonight with transformers and it seems to work for importation into Scenarist BDA! :)

SO I answered my question #1 above. This is good news. It seems the missing link for me was simply the availability of the remove pulldown option which is now available thanks to the latest updates to the h264info program.

Many thanks to the creator of h264info!

I'll tell you more when I do more tests on this.

[glen8]

I am doing more testing with the conversion and after a week will produce a better guide

I have found after months of work that the elcard range of products simply don't work with the hd-dvd > blu-ray conversion. Xmuxer pro was a waste of time.

I didn't get on any better with streaming it through converter pro either. I even tried streaming the video through graphedit/avisynth with a forced framerate but that also didn't work

I played around with Scenarist for weeks and just gave up. I was getting nowhere fast

In short, this guide is currently the ONLY way of getting a successful transfer

[musicman2311]

glen8 and all - does anybody have a working way for vc1 to blu ray with 24p ?
so far vc1conv doesn't work for me, neither does TsMuxer.

I can do vc1 at 29.97fps interleaved - no problem.

thanks

[glen8]

Unfortunatly I don't have any VC1 discs

Can you list a few and I'll see if I can find a friend who may have one...or I'll rent one

If I can cover all the angles I have a friend who is a full time vb programmer. We'll create a single piece of software to get this sorted once and for all :cool:

[Creator1]

glen,

Basically all hd-dvd movies that are not from Paramount since they went HD-DVD exclusive are VC-1. So the choice is large.

What was your problem with scenarist? Did you have audio sync issues? Because besides that I don't see what would be the problem.

musicman,

I was wondering if going to 24fps would be better for the blu-ray conversion. You think it is? Is it because a blu-ray player cannot do 1080P (progressive) playback when the vc-1 file is interleaved? I know the AVC file must be progressive but I was wondering if the blu-ray players had the capability to remove pulldown on the fly on VC-1 titles or not? If not, then it would be better to remove the interleave indeed. My TV is max 1080i so I have no real problem for now but the future might be bad if I don't do it right the first time on the conversions. Maybe if I test using a vc-1 interleave in powerdvd it would help me see if this is supported by the BD standard but then again sometimes the PC software does a little more than stand-alones so...

[musicman2311]

Hi Creator,
quite frankly I was also just curious really as to whether a conversion to 24p really does make a difference.
I do have a 1080p TV and I did watch VC1 based discs (e.g. Van Helsing) at 1080i - they looked great.

What I meant to address is that so far I simply have not succeeded in creating a disc, e.g. using vc1conv , that played
smoothly.

In practice, I think you are right - it probably won't make a big difference anyway.

[glen8]

is Batman Begins VC-1?

[musicman2311]

is Batman Begins VC-1?

according to this link it is

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/batmanbegins.html

[glen8]

DOH, didn't think to check that site out

I'll work on it this weekend. I wouldn't settle with 1080i ;-)

[Creator1]

Hi Creator,
quite frankly I was also just curious really as to whether a conversion to 24p really does make a difference.
I do have a 1080p TV and I did watch VC1 based discs (e.g. Van Helsing) at 1080i - they looked great.

What I meant to address is that so far I simply have not succeeded in creating a disc, e.g. using vc1conv , that played
smoothly.

In practice, I think you are right - it probably won't make a big difference anyway.

musicman,

According to the thread on vc1conv, it's not complete yet so it is normal that you don't get a correct result using it. Someone else just popped in in the thread and said he might try to finish the work (something about tagging the file as PROGRESSIVE, something vc1conv does not do right now).

There is no real difference between 1080i and 1080p on a 60Hz television but if we can make the VC-1 files 24fps, a tv or projector that can playback the movies in 24fps would make it way better. That is what I am truly wondering, that is, can the blu-ray player do the 29.97 to 24fps conversion (remove pulldown on the fly during playback) and playback the movie in 24fps out to a 24Hz display device? If yes, then it is not needed to make the VC-1 files progressive but if no then it would be preferable.

Glen8,

Yes Batman is VC-1. Like I said mostly all HD-DVD movies are VC-1 except for the Paramount movies since they went HD-DVD only (Transformers, Star Trek Season 1, etc.).

[zeroprobe]

Anyway to get truehd to blu-ray lpcm which scenarist accepts?

[Creator1]

Anyway to get truehd to blu-ray lpcm which scenarist accepts?

DTS-HD or DTS-HD MA can directly be imported from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray with Scenarist.

For DD+ and DD TrueHD, this cannot be done because of incompatibility between the two formats. Typically, I think the problem is that for HD-DVD, DD+ tracks does not require to have a standard DD core whereas on Blu-Ray it is an obligation. Since pretty much all the HD-DVD DD+ tracks have no standard DD core then it's not compatible.

For LPCM, eac3to can create a LPCM track but it cannot be imported in scenarist because of channel assigment errors. The only way is to import the 6 channels as mono wavs and to do that you need the latest version of Scenarist which I don't know which one it is, probably 4.3 or 4.5 or something like that.

[zeroprobe]

DTS-HD or DTS-HD MA can directly be imported from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray with Scenarist.

For DD+ and DD TrueHD, this cannot be done because of incompatibility between the two formats. Typically, I think the problem is that for HD-DVD, DD+ tracks does not require to have a standard DD core whereas on Blu-Ray it is an obligation. Since pretty much all the HD-DVD DD+ tracks have no standard DD core then it's not compatible.

For LPCM, eac3to can create a LPCM track but it cannot be imported in scenarist because of channel assigment errors. The only way is to import the 6 channels as mono wavs and to do that you need the latest version of Scenarist which I don't know which one it is, probably 4.3 or 4.5 or something like that.


I see thanks for that.

[ImsPro]

Thanks glen8 for your work to document.

I've tried to convert a VC1 HD-DVD (Shrek the Third) substituting step #3 with vc1conv on the demux'd .mpv file from EVOdemux.

My end result does play back on the PS3 in 5.1 but the video is jumpy. The audio is in sync and plays back fine (no stutter).

I'll be interested to see what you're able to produce over the weekend.

[musicman2311]

Thanks glen8 for your work to document.

I've tried to convert a VC1 HD-DVD (Shrek the Third) substituting step #3 with vc1conv on the demux'd .mpv file from EVOdemux.

My end result does play back on the PS3 in 5.1 but the video is jumpy. The audio is in sync and plays back fine (no stutter).

I'll be interested to see what you're able to produce over the weekend.

if you can live with 29.97fps and just do not use vc1conv then you have a playable movie

[glen8]

Guide has been updated to included better audio quality. Obviously it's hard to write a guide which covers every movie as they all differ with soundtrack selections and bitrates but it should be a good starting point for people.

TrueHD > DTS 1.5mb tested lastnight and works fine on PS3. Perfect sync and much better quality over previous AC3

[zakia]

glen8, thanks for the guide. Did you try with Transformers?

I posted my problem with eac3to a while back ago but still have this problem. I ripped it again from the original disc with AnyDVD HD ripper btw. Delaycut 1.3.0.0 shows a lot of error and it ended up with a ac3 file bigger than it's original mpa from evodemux, which then eac3to can't recognize. Maybe I should post the logs? It's the US region of Transformers if that makes a difference.

[zakia]

Step 3 isn't necessary (for AVC/x.264) as tsmuxer has that "24/1001" option which is the same as 23.976fps. Anyway that's what I did.


trust me guys, all of those steps are completly necessary. I have done further testing since writing that guide.

If I change the framerate anywhere else other than h264info I get av sync issues and the dreadded 5sec audio problem I listed in another thread.

These steps are the only way I have found after months of testing and using MANY different methods and software of getting everything in sync and working on the PS3.
I can confirm glen8. I tried using tsmuxer to convert the video but its like watching "slow motion" entire movie.

Keep up the good work glen8, and don't forget my question above. :)

[Sparky101]

Guide has been updated to included better audio quality. Obviously it's hard to write a guide which covers every movie as they all differ with soundtrack selections and bitrates but it should be a good starting point for people.

TrueHD > DTS 1.5mb tested lastnight and works fine on PS3. Perfect sync and much better quality over previous AC3

I didn't think the PS3 supported DTS tracks in .m2ts files? Are you streaming/playing from internal drive/buring to DVD?

Thanks for the guide, really useful. Has anyone tried it on The Sum of All Fears HD-DVD? It works fine on the other 3 Jack Ryan films but on Sum of All Fears after running the video through h264info the video goes a bit weird, kind of polarized. Anyone else seen this?

[glen8]

The PS3 does support DTS, I'm burning to BD-RE if that makes any difference?

I have run into a slight problem tho with DTS on transformers as it starts to go out of sync towards the end. The AC3 version is fine.

I have a much better idea tho at the minute which Ive been working on all weekend :rolleyes:

I shall update the guide once finished

[glen8]

Guide now updated

[Sparky101]

Guess that must make the difference. The PS3 certainly supports DTS from an original BR disc but I guess not when streaming in an m2ts container. Just tried it again to confirm I wasn't losing it with Fantastic Four and it just doesn't detect any audio track at all. Unless others have managed it and I'm missing something.

[Sparky101]

Just looking at your updated guide, do you no longer have to convert the DD+ track to DD?

[glen8]

Just looking at your updated guide, do you no longer have to convert the DD+ track to DD?

Nope, im trying to make things as easy and problem free as possible. I was getting a few issues with transformers on anything other than boggo ac3 until I though...why not just mux in the original dd+ which worked :-)

[DonCarlos]

Hi,

I tried this guide and it worked really good. But there is one thing I don't understand. Why don'T you simply use tsmuxer to do the fps?It worked for me perfect. Also with VC-1. I did it with Bourne 2 and it was really fine.

[glen8]

Hi,

I tried this guide and it worked really good. But there is one thing I don't understand. Why don'T you simply use tsmuxer to do the fps?It worked for me perfect. Also with VC-1. I did it with Bourne 2 and it was really fine.

because it doesn't work for all movies. My guide takes into account any problems and works around them.

You may have found a way of missing a few steps but trust me when I say it wont work for all

I have spent another weekend on it and think I have come up with a pretty fool proof method now.

Just updating

[glen8]

Right the guide has been updated again...please let me know if you come across an AVC movie you have problems with.

I'll now start looking at VC1s

[Sparky101]

h264info gave me problems with Sum of All Fears but using TSmuxer to change the fps worked a treat. Everything else has worked fine using your method glen8.

[DonCarlos]

That is what I said before. It works really good if you use Tsmuxer. Even with VC-1 movies. I tried 2 more and all were very good. It is a pitty that there is no way to get the menus of the HDDVD to a Blu ray menu.

[tyee]

@glen8
Thanks for all your work, much appreciated!

For this line -- for dolby digital plus:-
eac3to "c:\videos\audio.dd+" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -nero -640

Do I need certain Nero dll's like you mentioned or do I need a full Nero installation??

I do not have Nero on my PC and don't intend to install it, but just having the dll's would be OK.

Is Nero the only way to process DD+? I was up till now using Sonic but like you said it does something with the channels. When I playback on my PC my media player says the audio is 2 channels, but playback on my PS3 says 5 channels, strange!

[glen8]

Unfortunately nero 7 is by far the best for DD+

You need a full installation, Im using a free nero 7 essentials which came free with my burner together with the hd plugin.

Sonic is just a big fat no no unfortunately, the audio is 2.0 channels. In my testing I found that the sonic decoder actually crashed eac3to on the transformers dd+ track

[tyee]

@glen8
So is dts playable from the XMB (on internal or external HDD) on the PS3 or just ac3?

[glen8]

@glen8
So is dts playable from the XMB (on internal or external HDD) on the PS3 or just ac3?

just ac3, but you want to be using ac3 anyway

[jacked]

glen8,
Thanks very much for all your hard efforts on this guide.
I tried your original guide on Zodiac and it worked perfectly. If I can just ask a couple of questions please.
I burn to BD-RE to test what I`ve done and anything run through TS-Remux to create Bluray final structure and folders,
plays perfectly and chapter skips as normal but fast forward and rewind don`t work at all, the image just pauses. This happens on both versions 018 + 019.
Does this happen with you, does that sound right ?
Your updated guide says to change the fps to 24000/1001 in tsmuxer, have you found any benefit in doing this ?
I`d be interested to hear how you get on with vc-1 titles.
If it`s any help to you, I`ve used Elecard Converter Studio AVC HD edition. When I use Evodemux I changed the video file extension to .avc and the demuxed video loads easily into Elecard without the need of graphs, the Elecard interface has similar settings to Procoder to produce an mpeg2 file that you can mux in your audio. If you come across an easier way that would be great.
Cheers glen8
You Are The Man !
:)

[glen8]

Fast foward and rewind work fine for all three of the disks I've done now.

I changed the guide slightly. I found out that if you don't set the framerate to 240000/1001 in tsremuxer the time is all wrong after it's been muxed. This gets fixed in tsremux but since it doesn't take any more time up I figured I'd play it safe and add it into the guide.

Not sure why you can't FF and RW? what movies have you tried

[jacked]

Fast foward and rewind work fine for all three of the disks I've done now.

I changed the guide slightly. I found out that if you don't set the framerate to 240000/1001 in tsremuxer the time is all wrong after it's been muxed. This gets fixed in tsremux but since it doesn't take any more time up I figured I'd play it safe and add it into the guide.

Not sure why you can't FF and RW? what movies have you tried

Thanks for your reply,
I have tried Zodiac, Patriot Games and Mission Impossible.

[tyee]

@glen8
I did another test trying to get rid of Sonic for the audio and read another thread that said to use the same command line as you suggest for TrueHD but use it for DD+, and it worked just fine --


eac3to "c:\videos\audio.ddp" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -libav -448

The output of this command gave me an identical filesize as Sonic 4.2! There is no noise or anything in the soundtrack as far as I can tell. Sonic 4.2 seems to work for me so far after doing KK and TFMRS. Maybe Sonic 4.3 is the version with the problems??

[glen8]

I did wonder about libav as heard good things about it's AC3 performance.

Nero is considered the best anyway so I'll continue to use that, but a good tip for those not wanting to un-install and re-install between nero 7 and nero 8 all the time. I have made an entry under the notes section

any reason your using 448 and not 640?

[jacked]

Thanks for your reply,
I have tried Zodiac, Patriot Games and Mission Impossible.

Hi Glen,
I`ve tried these discs on my PS3 and all fast-forward and rewind functions work perfectly, it`s just the Pioneer standalone that doesn`t, very odd.
Cheers, Dave

[chewdogg10]

Has anyone successfully converted American Gangster from HD-DVD to Blu Ray?

[Creator1]

I just want to confirm that this guide seems to be the only way to make a perfect translation. Using Scenarist either doesn't work or corrupts the playback.

One more thing, I have no audio sync problem using DTS 5.1 1536 tracks instead of DD 640 so I will keep using DTS for sound. For those who can't mux DTS with tsMuxeR because of "cant detect stream" try using latest version of eac3to and version 1.0.23 of surcode dvd dts.

[jacked]

Hello All
Has anyone come up with the definitive / easiest way to convert vc1 titles yet ?
I did a successful but very long-winded job with Mission Impossible 3 but I`ve had a lot of pc problems recently and now none of my graphs work. So until I swap-out some components and upgrade and re-load XP I`m a bit stumped.
It looks like DonCarlos has a process sorted, how did you do it ? Hi Glen8, have you made any progress on this yet ?
Thanks a lot guys.
:)

[Creator1]

Hello All
Has anyone come up with the definitive / easiest way to convert vc1 titles yet ?
I did a successful but very long-winded job with Mission Impossible 3 but I`ve had a lot of pc problems recently and now none of my graphs work. So until I swap-out some components and upgrade and re-load XP I`m a bit stumped.
It looks like DonCarlos has a process sorted, how did you do it ? Hi Glen8, have you made any progress on this yet ?
Thanks a lot guys.
:)

VC-1 HD-DVD titles canbe converted to blu-ray with no special steps. The VC-1 streams from HD-DVD are already blu-ray compliant. Direct importation into programs like scenarist BDA works.

I don't know if it would be preferable to convert the 29.97fps VC-1 streams to 23.976fps before creating a blu-ray? Maybe the blu-ray players simply ignore the pulldown information on VC-1 streams and can playback the streams at 24fps with no problem even if they are encoded in 29.97fps? THe only reason to try to be safe on this is for future support of 24p output to a 24p capable tv or projector. For 60hz tvs I don't think there is any problems by leaving the VC-1 file as-is when converting it to a blu-ray structure. Like I already said, it is also possible that the 24p playback will still work flawlessly IF the blu-ray players can ignore the pulldown info in VC-1 files.

For MPEG4AVC files, it seems the blu-ray players want 23.976fps for correct playback.

Am I right with my assumptions?

In other words, just user tsMuxeR to mux the vc-1 HD-DVD stream directly with the ac3/dts streams created by eac3to together and then use tsremux to create the blu-ray structure and it should work correctly in a blu-ray player.

[ImsPro]

I've had a heck of a time getting VC1 HD-DVD's to work till tonight. I've tried just taking the VC1 file directly from EVOmux into tsmuxer which definitely reads the file but after taking the *.ts output from tsmuxer into tsremux,the resulting BD that I burn either has out of sync audio with a choppy video (keeping the fps at 29.97) or sync'd audio with choppy playback (changing fps to 23.976). This is only when I try to playback in the PS3. Every resulting output I've made has played on the PC perfectly...regardless of fps.. following this guide with no additional steps..

The only way I've been able to get a working VC-1 HD-DVD to play back correctly on the PS3 (using my Bourne Identity as a testcase) was to substitute step #2 of this guide with:

2. Take your video.mpv output from EVOdemux and run it through ffmpeg to convert it to mpeg2 via this command (without quotes of course):

"ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.mpv -sameq -vcodec mpeg2video output.ts"

Use this output as an input into tsmuxer (step #3) and continue through the rest of the procedure.

I'm trying another VC1 movie to confirm but this is the first HD-DVD to BD conversion I've got to work on the PS3 and like glen8, I've been farting around with this WAY too long..

One nice thing I noticed is if you take the VC-1 output from EVOdemux directly into tsmuxer it ID's the file as 1080i. The output I made from the ffmpeg step is read in at 1080p. I can't confirm since my PS3 is hooked up to a old DLP (720p) but hopefully it actually keeps the end results at 1080p.

[glen8]

just a quick heads up guys

I've managed to get star wars ep3 full 1080p (1080p avc from single german transmission) on a blu-ray with proper english audio and text crawl

will post pics later/tomorrow

what a mission!!!

[theblind]

Hi !

Have fun with 25p :)


Cu.

[Creator1]

just a quick heads up guys

I've managed to get star wars ep3 full 1080p (1080p avc from single german transmission) on a blu-ray with proper english audio and text crawl

will post pics later/tomorrow

what a mission!!!

Was it a PAL 25fps stream? It is funny because I am currently trying to do the same thing on a PAL broadcast I have but it is 1080i avc though. I tried lots of stuff but it seems I will need to re-encode it for it to work.

If I leave it in PAL, the movie plays back in low-res on the PS3 (480p).

I tried to remove pulldown but then the playback is choppy. I still need to confirm that because I did so much tests on that one that I don't remember if it was really the case but I don't think removing the pulldown made a smooth playback blu-ray structure using tsMuxer/tsremux.

I then re-encoded to AVC 23.976fps 1080p and now it's fine but the PAL audio is out of sync. I suppose I need to go and find the NTSC audio for it to match now.

[theblind]

Hi !

Whats about VC-1 and the 1080i & 30p problem ? Der Link! (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1097164&postcount=215)

Cu.

[Creator1]

Hi !

Whats about VC-1 and the 1080i & 30p problem ? Der Link! (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1097164&postcount=215)

Cu.

It is easy to do the HD-DVD to blu-ray on VC-1 using Scenarist. Scenarist must be doing something to the VC-1 stream when it creates the blu-ray structure that tsremux is not doing.

I think the other solution might be what you suggested, that is, to make the stream 24p/1080p. A tool to remove pulldown on VC-1 streams is needed for that and I don't think that exists for now?

[glen8]

well very quickly:

demuxed streams with xmuxer pro

ran both streams through tsmuxer to set level 4.1 and framerate to 24000/1001

used tsremux to cut text crawl from the start (25fps) to a seperate file and the rest to a different file (23.976fps)

converted the text crawl only part to 1080p 23.976fps (changed res from 1920x1088i) using elecard converter pro (took about 10mins 20,000 bitrate)

then used copy *.ts /b to merge both files back together

imported that back into tsremux to create blu-ray structure

The result is a perfectly synced film at 1080p without re-encoding the main movie :cool:

[theblind]

Hi !

It is easy to do the HD-DVD to blu-ray on VC-1 using Scenarist. Scenarist must be doing something to the VC-1 stream when it creates the blu-ray structure that tsremux is not doing.

I think the other solution might be what you suggested, that is, to make the stream 24p/1080p. A tool to remove pulldown on VC-1 streams is needed for that and I don't think that exists for now?

hmmm.... scenarist... ? Too expensive :p


Cu.


Cu.

[Creator1]

well very quickly:

demuxed streams with xmuxer pro

ran both streams through tsmuxer to set level 4.1 and framerate to 24000/1001

used tsremux to cut text crawl from the start (25fps) to a seperate file and the rest to a different file (23.976fps)

converted the text crawl only part to 1080p 23.976fps (changed res from 1920x1088i) using elecard converter pro (took about 10mins 20,000 bitrate)

then used copy *.ts /b to merge both files back together

imported that back into tsremux to create blu-ray structure

The result is a perfectly synced film at 1080p without re-encoding the main movie :cool:

I don't understand what you mean by text crawl? DO you mean the yellow scrolling text at the beginning of the star wars ep3 movie? Was that part 25fps and the rest 29.97? Why did you have to treat those two parts of the movie differently?

In my case it is a 1080i 25fps movie. I may try to pass it through tsmuxer instead of h264info for the 24000/1001 tagging and see what happens.

[glen8]

There's 3 different versions

1 - English 25fps 1080i
2 - German 23fps 1080p
3 - Mix of the two above

I went with the third one as it's in english, basically the yellow text at the start is from the skyHD feed which runs at a different framerate to the main movie.

I had to deal with the two parts seperately to get the sync working

[Creator1]

There's 3 different versions

1 - English 25fps 1080i
2 - German 23fps 1080p
3 - Mix of the two above

I went with the third one as it's in english, basically the yellow text at the start is from the skyHD feed which runs at a different framerate to the main movie.

I had to deal with the two parts seperately to get the sync working

Yeah, after thinking about it I thought that was the case. Good job. ;)

From what I can see though, you were nto able to make the 25fps part work without re-encoding. I hope someone can figure out how to do that.

[mixja]

Just like to say thanks for posting up this information, although I wasn't looking to make Blu-ray discs from HD-DVD I was looking to create playable files on the PS3 from HD-DVD without re-encoding the video (I can live with re-encoded Dolby Digital audio).

I've found that in the last step (TSRemux) you can output the file to M2TS format and you can then stream the M2TS file to your PS3 via a UPnP server (I'm using Windows Media Player 11).

The great thing is that the streaming works for files > 4GB, hence your average 15-20GB HD-DVD M2TS movie file streams perfectly via UPnP to the PS3. The 4GB file limit (even when on a UPnP server) for MPEG-4 files always annoyed me in the past, especially when most 40 minute shows in 1080i HDTV format are > 4GB.

This only works for AVC movies (I don't think the PS3 will support VC-1 in M2TS, but still working on getting it going via WMV format). It also works for AVC HDTV videos that typically are in a TS container - to get them to work in the M2TS container I have to extract the AVC stream from original TS, use h264info to remove pulldown flag (and write PPS) and then continue same steps as posted in this thread.

[glen8]

Yeah, after thinking about it I thought that was the case. Good job. ;)

From what I can see though, you were nto able to make the 25fps part work without re-encoding. I hope someone can figure out how to do that.

You can and I did, but the reason I encoded was to prevent my plasma from auto switching from 1080i to 1080p after the crawl

If you don't want to re-encode anything you can just split the two parts up but rather than encode the first just run it through tsremuxer changing the framerate

You must split the two tho and then do a copy /b when finished or you'll get sync probs

http://www.glenharrison.com/misc/sw3blu.jpg

[tyee]

@glen8
How do you like that 50" Plasma. I nearly got one at Christmas but didn't. Does the model of yours end with "77", that one has the matt screen which I hear is good?

Funny thing I noticed about the Pana Plasmas was the picture was so dull when the "picture" control was set to "0" that it was unwatchable. It had to be set at about 25, and 30 was max if I remember correctly, which may wear it out sooner than later maybe?? What do you think?

[Fabry73]

Hello I have the fast and the furious tokyo drift hd dvd pal, I 2 VC-1, you know how can transform
In blu ray?

[musicman2311]

glen.
any success with HD DVD VC1 to 1080p yet ?
thanks

[XolocoTuxmaster]

To VC-1 1080i@29.97 fps->1080p@23.976

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129222

By the way people, TSremux' blu-ray output is very beta, it just let you 1 video and 1 audio, it's not standard in newer versions since it uses a moviobject.bdmv and index.bdmv specially created for PS3 compilance, so it doesn't play in stand alone players and Tsmuxer doesn't let you include subtitles yet.

Better use Scenarist, it outputs a 100% standard multiaudiotrack subtitles supporting blu-ray, I have summarized the process in 19 steps. Quote them in the first post if you want

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134402

[glen8]

@glen8
How do you like that 50" Plasma. I nearly got one at Christmas but didn't. Does the model of yours end with "77", that one has the matt screen which I hear is good?

Funny thing I noticed about the Pana Plasmas was the picture was so dull when the "picture" control was set to "0" that it was unwatchable. It had to be set at about 25, and 30 was max if I remember correctly, which may wear it out sooner than later maybe?? What do you think?

No, this is a UK model so completely different I think. My settings are at 50% which I think is plenty bright enough.

[Creator1]

You can and I did, but the reason I encoded was to prevent my plasma from auto switching from 1080i to 1080p after the crawl

If you don't want to re-encode anything you can just split the two parts up but rather than encode the first just run it through tsremuxer changing the framerate

You must split the two tho and then do a copy /b when finished or you'll get sync probs

I tried to use tsMuxeR to change the framerate and level of my 1080i 25fps movie file (it is not star wars by the way) but it did not work. The playback was choppy. It did play at full resolution though instead of low res like when I left it at 25fps but the playback was not smooth.

[DonCarlos]

Sorry for going off topic. But where the hell did you got Star Wars in HD?I can't find it some where, and I really like the movies so I would love to get my hands on them. By the way I thought Lucasfilm belongs to Fox and Fox is Bluray only if didn't understand it wrong?

[musicman2311]

[QUOTE=XolocoTuxmaster;1098914]To VC-1 1080i@29.97 fps->1080p@23.976

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129222

QUOTE]

Xoloco - I know that thread - to date it is not possible to make a 1080p vc1 from 1080i of hd dvd - doesn't play smooth - also not with vc1conv

that is at least my understanding

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Have you tried dburckh's method?

[glen8]

Star Wars Ep3 was only ever released in 1080p once on the PremierHD channel in Germany

[musicman2311]

Have you tried dburckh's method?

no, i have not - as I understand it, he has some way of changing specific bits - how can I get that done - is there a tool ? vc1conv doesn't do all that I think.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Use an hexadecimal editor

[musicman2311]

Use an hexadecimal editor

a hex editor for a 15 GigaByte file ?

maybe I am not referring to what you refer to - what I saw was a ddescription about which flags to change in the bitstream, provide you know where they are located (which I don't)

is there a more comprehensive guide - or where am I wrong now ?

thanks for any help

[glen8]

I'm working on VC-1 today

I have an idea how to do it but not sure it will work yet...fingers crossed

[theblind]

all fingers crossed :)

[zeroprobe]

In a typical VC1 file have a look for the following and replace all hits.

0000010FDBFE3BF21B[CA] INTERLACE FLAG 1 -> 0
0000010FDBFE3BF21B[8A]

Near enough straight after the above.

3BF886F180[C9] FRAMES PER SECOND 29 -> 23.97
3BF886F180[49]


But thats just half the story, the mind boggles when it comes down to the other things that need changing.

[MrMugatu]

Is there anyway I can mux hd dvd truehd audio with its video after ive converted it to 23.976 without losing quality

[glen8]

tried all day yesterday but just got the slow framerate on the ps3 :mad:

[glen8]

I'm thinking about investing in one of those qnap hdd enclosures. Would I be able to author an m2ts file containing one video and one hd audio track so I can stream to the ps3?

would the avc and vc1 streams from blu-rays be ok?

would the hd-dvd avc h264 stream converted with my guide be ok?

would the hd-dvd vc1 stream converted using the above mentioned ffmpeg cmd line be ok?

Thanks!! :)

[DonCarlos]

Hi- Can somebody please explain how to use this ffmpeg commandline in details?Because I don't know how to use command lines. Lets say my ffmpeg is stored under C:\ffmpeg.exe and the file I want to convert is under C:\video.mkv and I want the ouptput file to to C:\output.mkv. Could sombody transfers the commandline from above to these cirsumstances for me?

Thank you

[glen8]

click start, go to the run box and type in cmd then press enter

in the ms-dos window type in following pressing return after each line

c:
cd\
ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.mpv -sameq -vcodec mpeg2video output.ts

[XolocoTuxmaster]

click start, go to the run box and type in cmd then press enter

in the ms-dos window type in following pressing return after each line

c:
cd\
ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.mpv -sameq -vcodec mpeg2video output.ts


DON'T DO THAT!!!

You are recoding to MPEG-2 (maybe you think you setting to use Mpeg-2 transport stream container) and you are forcing either output AND INPUT framerate to 24/1001, better try

ffmpeg -i video.mpv -vcodec copy -r 24000/1001 output.mpv

[glen8]

sorry, I was explaining how to run the command not the actual command itself

I just grabbed the line from page3 as an example

[DonCarlos]

If I use this command does it reencode the movie?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

If I use this command does it reencode the movie?

this?

ffmpeg -i video.mpv -vcodec copy -r 24000/1001 output.mpv

no

[DonCarlos]

OK thank you I give it a try

[pobber1]

Hi all,

I am using eac3to and SurCode DTS Encoder to convert a TrueHD audio file into a 1536kbps DTS stream. Eac3to seems to do the job but the outputted file will only play in WMP and when I try to mux the video (1080i VC-1) and audio back together the output will not play (no video or audio). I have tried several times but the result is always the same. If I open SurCode after eac3to has done the conversion it tells me that *.wav files are invalid. It is also worth noting that if I mux the video and an AC3 file playback is fine, so the problem must have something to do with the DTS encode.

Can anyone suggest a solution?

[DonCarlos]

Hi

I played with ffmpeg and found something out. If I tried the first command which you said it reencoded the movie and then the movie is in 1080p so the pulldown is gone(which should be clear why). If I used the second command you gave me ffmpeg does nothing it doesn't do anything. I get an output file which is 0kb and nothing more so what is wrong? I think if we could make ffmpeg to do that what you said just to reduce the fps than everything would be fine because I think than we should get an 1080p output, because I think it removes the pulldown automatically and than we could go on with our normal guide. And I can live with the audio encoded by the sonic filter.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Ok, I don't have HD DVD's VC-1 files but I will tomorrow, I'll make some test and give you the final line

[glen8]

ffmpeg -i video.mpv -vcodec copy -r 24000/1001 output.mpv

I used this cmd line a few days back but got nowhere fast. I kept getting the message:

"Unable to find a suitable output format"

:edit:

Think I've done it :-)

ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i d:\video.vc1 -sameq -vcodec copy c:\output.ts

testing it now, will update guide if it works

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Think I've done it :-)

ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i d:\video.vc1 -sameq -vcodec copy c:\output.ts

testing it now, will update guide if it works

If so, remove -sameq. That's to set the quatinzer (of an encoding)

If doesn't, try

ffmpeg -f vc1 -i d:\video.vc1 -vcodec copy -r 24000/1001 c:\output.ts

good luck

[glen8]

The only command I got working was

ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i d:\video.vc1 -vcodec copy c:\output.ts

Source video was 13.8gb
Output video was 22.6gb

Unable to play .ts file, when I import into tsremux I get "Warning no PCRs available"

also won't load into MUI Generator

[theblind]

Hi !

here my result:


error, non monotone timestamps 3754 >= 0
av_interleaved_write_frame(): Error while opening file


Cu.

[DonCarlos]

Yes I also have these errors so I think ffmpeg is not the solution to our problems. We need a way to get rid of this pulldown, that we can creat a Blu ray compilant VC-1 stream. After we have that the rest is easy.

[glen8]

just tried

eac3to c:\source.vc1 c:\output.vc1 -strippulldown

eac3to thinks it's 1080p24 but after the output has been created everything still thinks it's 1080i

I muxed it back together with HD audio anyway and got the same problems on ps3...ps3 thinks its 1080p

I was wondering if eac3to c:\source.vc1 c:\output.vc1 -strippulldown -skip2 would make any difference

[DonCarlos]

just tried

eac3to c:\source.vc1 c:\output.vc1 -strippulldown

eac3to thinks it's 1080p24 but after the output has been created everything still thinks it's 1080i

I muxed it back together with HD audio anyway and got the same problems on ps3...ps3 thinks its 1080p

I was wondering if eac3to c:\source.vc1 c:\output.vc1 -strippulldown -skip2 would make any difference

The problem is the stream really is 1080p. So eac3to and the PS3 are right. The only thing is that the stream is made to look like it is 1080 and 29.97 for really old HDDVD players. But we want to convert it to a Blu ray and there this pulldown stuff is not supported and I think if it is there it might cause problems so we have to get rid of it. I just own VC-1 HDDVDs so I don'T know if these pulldown stuff exists on the other two codecs, but I hope not. If I use vc1conv to reduce the framerate and follow the rest of the guide, I get a Blu ray structure where everything is in sync and so on, the only thing which is not ok is the 1080i.(I just tested it on my computer, don't know how it will look on a PS3 or any other Blu ray layer.

[glen8]

Yes, I know the stream is actually 1080p

Can we rewrite the header information?

[DonCarlos]

I would say we can but the "how" is the problem.:)

[drmpeg]

I'm working on an update to vc1conv to make it fully Blu-ray compliant. Should be ready this weekend.

Ron

[DonCarlos]

WOW THAT IS GREAT NEWS!! Now I can't sleep untill it is ready so keep up your great work :) Please PM me if it is ready. I'd love to be a beta tester.

[theblind]

Hi !

My machine runs and wait for a version... :)

Cu.

[hollydoc]

Originally Posted by drmpeg
I'm working on an update to vc1conv to make it fully Blu-ray compliant. Should be ready this weekend

:thanks:drmpeg this is all what we need, you can make us happy.

Hollydoc

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Thanks a lot

PD: no luck with ffmpeg, sorry

[glen8]

YES!! That would be awesome

[drmpeg]

The new version (0.2) of vc1conv is ready. It does the complete conversion from 29.97 fps interlaced with pulldown flags to 23.976 fps progressive. It is fully Blu-ray compatible as long as the POSTPROCFLAG field is zero (it will fail with an error message if POSTPROCFLAG is set) and there are no IMODE changes from Raw mode to anything else (not sure if any tool looks for this).

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Ron

[zeroprobe]

The new version (0.2) of vc1conv is ready. It does the complete conversion from 29.97 fps interlaced with pulldown flags to 23.976 fps progressive. It is fully Blu-ray compatible as long as the POSTPROCFLAG field is zero (it will fail with an error message if POSTPROCFLAG is set) and there are no IMODE changes from Raw mode to anything else (not sure if any tool looks for this).

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Ron


I would buy you a beer if I could. You should create a separate thread for this tool. Just testing on a hd-dvd now.

Many thanks.

[theblind]

Hi !

On w6rz.net its the version 0.1 from 08.2007 :)

Cu.

[zeroprobe]

Hi !

On w6rz.net its the version 0.1 from 08.2007 :)

Cu.

EDIT: I think your right. The source is 0.2 but the exe is 0.1 I think.

[hollydoc]

:script:QUOTE=zeroprobe;1101939]I would buy you a beer if I could. You should create a separate thread for this tool. Just testing on a hd-dvd now.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]

:script::thanks:i am happy

Hollydoc

[zeroprobe]

edit: use the official link now.

[DonCarlos]

The guide works with the new version of vc1conv perfect. Tsmuxer shows 1080p and the framerate is also right. Also did the rest and it play perfect everything is in sync and so on. Thank you drmpeg for your great tool!:thanks::thanks::thanks:

[glen8]

OMMFGTIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks!!!

will get the guide updated when I get a free min

[musicman2311]

0.2 here

http://rapidshare.com/files/92907586/vc1conv.rar.html

hi I can't get this one to do anything (.exe)

[glen8]

sorry to put a downer on things but...

I just tried children of men. It imported into tsmuxer as 1080p 23.97fps but when authored to a blu-ray stream and burnt the ps3 played it just the same (ie, mega slow and jerky)

Checked the .exe and it is definately 0.2

[DonCarlos]

sorry to put a downer on things but...

I just tried children of men. It imported into tsmuxer as 1080p 23.97fps but when authored to a blu-ray stream and burnt the ps3 played it just the same (ie, mega slow and jerky)

Checked the .exe and it is definately 0.2

I don't own a PS3 so I can't check, but are the settings in the PS3 right? Because now I don't think the problem lies in the files. There is another guide floating through the internet and we did almost the same(we even did more with vc1conv)the guy used Scenarist to mux the things together we used Tsmuxer I don't think that there is a problem.The guy claims that all his converted Blurays work on the PS3.

[theblind]

Hi !

The same here... with TSRemuxer and the new vc1conv -> jerky ...

Cu.

Edit: whats with the audiostream ? Perhaps it have a false framerate, too.

[nekrosoft13]

vc1conv .2 is not compatible with 64bit. .01 worked fine in 64bit OS.

Please fix this.

Activation context generation failed for "H:\test\vc1conv.exe". Dependent Assembly Microsoft.VC90.DebugCRT,processorArchitecture="x86",publicKeyToken="1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b",type="win32",version="9.0.21022.8" could not be found. Please use sxstrace.exe for detailed diagnosis.

[drmpeg]

Hi !

On w6rz.net its the version 0.1 from 08.2007 :)

Cu.
Since I haven't changed the link name (just the file that it points to), you may have to clear your browser cache to get the latest version (especially if you downloaded version 0.1 recently).

Ron

[drmpeg]

vc1conv .2 is not compatible with 64bit. .01 worked fine in 64bit OS.

Please fix this.

I'm clueless. I haven't done anything different with the compiler (VC7), I just changed the source code. Sorry, it's over my head.

Ron

[nekrosoft13]

I'm clueless. I haven't done anything different with the compiler (VC7), I just changed the source code. Sorry, it's over my head.

Ron

so there is nothing you can do? maybe re-compile it in a different way? i could test.

[glen8]

Checked again and I am running 0.2

There's no settings on the PS3 which result in making things jerky. You only have control over the output resolution which obviously makes no difference to the source.
Don't forget VC-1 always ran smoothly on PCs regardless of running vc1conv or not

I will try scenarist tonight

[glen8]

Guide has been updated.

I will work on a MUCH better guide soon to include options depending on if you want to keep HD tracks / encode tracks / use Scenarist etc etc

Think I'll need to create a website with hyperlinks to make navigating easier.

[DonCarlos]

So found a workaround for the jerky playback onthe PS3? How did you do? And what is this about strip pulldown with the audio tracks?could you elaborate please?

Thanks

[glen8]

the -strippulldown switch on eac3to removes the pulldown on VC-1 tracks. I haven't actually tested it yet but will tonight.

If anyone can test it today that would be great :-)

[DonCarlos]

I think an even better soultion is not a better guide I would really like it i somebody could write one GUI for all the programms. In that Gui you just had to click where to save where are the input files and where are the .exe of all the programms we use. After that you just had to press ok and it does all alone. That would be so awsome. The problem is you could not integrate Scenarist in that, but all the other programms. I know this is a lot of work but it would be so cool. I swaer I would do it myself, but I am not able to write a sourcecode because I don't know a programming language. I someone could do this we would get slowly to something like a HDShrink. Because then it would be easy to implement something like throw that oudio track away and something like that. By the way I would not like to convert the video, because this will kill the flavour of HD.

[DonCarlos]

I don't get it. Is there also a pulldown on the audio tracks? Do you believe this is the reason for the jerky playback on the PS3?

[glen8]

I am already planning on doing this once everything is sorted for good...hence me keeping the guide up to date

The only prob is that there is no CLI H264Info

also, now that Toshiba has officially announced the death of HD-DVD is it worth the effort?

[drmpeg]

the -strippulldown switch on eac3to removes the pulldown on VC-1 tracks. I haven't actually tested it yet but will tonight.

If anyone can test it today that would be great :-)
I don't get it. Is there also a pulldown on the audio tracks? Do you believe this is the reason for the jerky playback on the PS3?

I think the -strippulldown switch on eac3to only applies if you are using eac3to to do the .evo demuxing (it's basically vc1conv version 0.1 integrated into eac3to demuxing). In this guide, EVODemux is being used to demux, and eac3to is only being fed the audio stream for conversion, so I can't believe -strippulldown is required or would even do anything at all.

Ron

[drmpeg]

so there is nothing you can do? maybe re-compile it in a different way? i could test.
When you say "64-bit OS", do you mean Vista or Windows XP x64? I did a little googling on the issue, and did find some info on this problem. One suggestion was to statically link the application, but I'm pretty sure I'm doing that already (with the debugger, I can see the C library functions as part of the .exe file).

One other question. Are you using xport on your machine and does it work okay?

Ron

[drmpeg]

Checked again and I am running 0.2

There's no settings on the PS3 which result in making things jerky. You only have control over the output resolution which obviously makes no difference to the source.
Don't forget VC-1 always ran smoothly on PCs regardless of running vc1conv or not

I will try scenarist tonight
Jerkiness is usually a muxing issue. It will be interesting to see if Scenarist fixes the problem (since it has it's own muxer). You should be able to use Scenarist with both the original 29.97 fps VC-1 file and the 23.976 fps VC-1 file created by vc1conv (and both should work).

Ron

[glen8]

Thanks for your help Ron,

I didn't really want to encode the HD audio track to be honest. Scenartist doesn't like HD tracks from a VC-1 disc.

[nekrosoft13]

When you say "64-bit OS", do you mean Vista or Windows XP x64? I did a little googling on the issue, and did find some info on this problem. One suggestion was to statically link the application, but I'm pretty sure I'm doing that already (with the debugger, I can see the C library functions as part of the .exe file).

One other question. Are you using xport on your machine and does it work okay?

Ron

64bit vista, all my machines are 64bit. haven't tried xport. I will try it later today.

is just weird that .1 worked but .2 doesn't. I would use .1 but it result in 23fps interlaced file.

[glen8]

just running the dd+ file through delaycut 1.3

hopefully eac3to will like it and then I can start muxing with scenarist :-)

[glen8]

got everything in perfect sync and playing on the PS3

The aspect ratio isn't correct tho, it looks full screen on my plasma?

source video and video after vc1conv both show up as 1920x1080 16:9

[sp99]

From reading around my understanding is that the tsremux blueray option packages the video as a AVCHD which is fine but there is a bit rate restriction. (Can't remember exactly but know Insideman which I was testing with was well over 20+ and stuttering using your guide)

Using Scenarist I believe it ends up packaged as a BDMV even though its on a DVD. This played fine on my PS3.

Just need to sort out a way of keeping DD+ & TrueHD tracks.

Well done with the guide though. Its' almost a complete solution.

[musicman2311]

Jerkiness is usually a muxing issue. It will be interesting to see if Scenarist fixes the problem (since it has it's own muxer). You should be able to use Scenarist with both the original 29.97 fps VC-1 file and the 23.976 fps VC-1 file created by vc1conv (and both should work).

Ron

Hi,
I have a question - if you manipulate a bitstream with
vc1conv - would that possibly lead to muxer issues which are not present in case the original file is used ?

thanks

[2themax]

drmpeg,

The new version works beautifully with Scenarist. Playback is perfect as long as the original encode does not have more than 2 B frames in a row.

[musicman2311]

drmpeg,

The new version works beautifully with Scenarist. Playback is perfect as long as the original encode does not have more than 2 B frames in a row.

interesting - can it be that a major scene change would likely have 2 consecutive B frames ? what if ?

[2themax]

interesting - can it be that a major scene change would likely have 2 consecutive B frames ? what if ?
During a scene change, it'll more than likely be an I frame. Having a B frame on a scene change will lead to a quality reduction.

I'm not sure what would happen. I may experiment a bit to find out. I have a feeling the authoring tool would catch it first though.

[musicman2311]

During a scene change, it'll more than likely be an I frame. Having a B frame on a scene change will lead to a quality reduction.

I'm not sure what would happen. I may experiment a bit to find out. I have a feeling the authoring tool would catch it first though.

thanks,
I am afraid I already have experience where authoring tool didn't catch up :( , not saying that it is the 2 B frame issue, but an issue resulting in several seconds stutter with no sound (on PS3). Will test original vc1 (1080i) for comparison now

[DonCarlos]

@glen
you said you got everything to work on the PS3?you just a programm to do something with the audio stream and then muxed it together with scenarist. Did you try the muxing together with TsMuxer? Because then we knew that the problem is in the audio and not in the muxing.

Thanks

[glen8]

I have run some more tests and found that there's a certain point in TopGun AVC H.264 which stops dead for around 4secs then resumes fine...........damn it!!!!!

I have since checked and it hangs at the same point be it using the original DD+, encoded AC3 or DTS so I don't think the audio has the problem.

I will look into this a bit more tonight but the GF is giving me grief about spending hours at the computer :mad:

I'm 99% the problem lies in the muxing.........I don't get the problem when viewing the video file straight after the H264Info step

TopGun was muxed with TSremuxer and authored using TSRemux. I guess the next step is to track down when it starts going wrong.

[musicman2311]

thanks,
I am afraid I already have experience where authoring tool didn't catch up :( , not saying that it is the 2 B frame issue, but an issue resulting in several seconds stutter with no sound (on PS3). Will test original vc1 (1080i) for comparison now

update - i confirmed, no disturbance with original (1080i).

question to the experts - any way to solve this ?

[glen8]

update - i confirmed, no disturbance with original (1080i).

question to the experts - any way to solve this ?

Have you played just the video file on your PC? before any muxing?

[musicman2311]

Have you played just the video file on your PC? before any muxing?

No I have not, but my result is clear - i burned 2 x the same movie on BD-RE, one with 1080i (original) and one with 1080p.

Only the first one plays completely without issues

[glen8]

I only ask because I have a feeling the 1080p will work fine straight after vc1conv/h264info

I'm sure topgun worked up until I muxed the video and audio together

[drmpeg]

update - i confirmed, no disturbance with original (1080i).

question to the experts - any way to solve this ?
It may be a bug with vc1conv. I have a really good verifier, but I only tested with one clip.

vc1conv maintains byte alignment, so an fc /b should only show so many differences (3 per frame). Like so:

C:\xfer>fc /b bits0001.mpv test.mpv | more
Comparing files bits0001.mpv and TEST.MPV
00000005: FE FF
00000009: CA 8A
0000000F: C9 49
00000025: 69 C0
00000026: 14 50
00002814: 79 F2
00002819: 5A 80
0000281A: 05 14
00002E33: 7D F2
00002E38: 4A 80
00002E39: 05 14
00003452: 79 F2
00003457: 5A 80
00003458: 05 14
00003A71: 7D F2
00003A76: 4A 80
00003A77: 05 14
00004090: 79 F2
00004095: 5A 80
00004096: 05 14
000046AF: 7D F2
000046B4: 4A 80
000046B5: 05 14
00004CCF: FE FF
00004CD3: CA 8A
00004CD9: C9 49
00004CEF: 61 C0
00004CF0: 14 50
000074DE: 5E 88
000074DF: 05 14
00007AF8: 7D F2
00007AFD: 4E 88
00007AFE: 05 14
00008117: 79 F2
0000811C: 5E 88
0000811D: 05 14
00008736: 7D F2
0000873B: 4E 88
0000873C: 05 14
00008D55: 79 F2
00008D5A: 5E 88
00008D5B: 05 14
00009374: 7D F2
00009379: 4E 88
0000937A: 05 14

If you start getting differences in every byte, it's probably a bug.

Ron

[glen8]

It's not just vc1conv tho, I have the same issue using H.264 with h264info

Just so I'm sure of the problem, mine stops dead for a few secs than carries on

[idbirch2]

So, just to clarify, has anyone actually got a VC-1 video stream into a .ts or .m2ts container and got it to stream to the PS3 rather than playing on a disc?

[musicman2311]

thanks Ron, and Glen - I have same thing same as you.

The problem as outlined by Glen is same for VC1 with vc1conv and H264 with h264info.

It also is rare - means I had it once in one movie each.
I also had 2 movies where the issue didn't come out whatsoever.

To idbirch - these were tested after muxing into Blu ray file structure incl. m2ts and ran on a PS3

Still great work, both vc1conv and h264info !

Unfortunately I have no means to come closely to understand whether that issue can be solved at all - I have to leave that to the experts.

[musicman2311]

So, just to clarify, has anyone actually got a VC-1 video stream into a .ts or .m2ts container and got it to stream to the PS3 rather than playing on a disc?

sorry, just realized you asked about streaming - no I had mine on disc only

[musicman2311]

I only ask because I have a feeling the 1080p will work fine straight after vc1conv/h264info

I'm sure topgun worked up until I muxed the video and audio together

yes i agree - same finding

[madshi]

The new version (0.2) of vc1conv is ready. It does the complete conversion from 29.97 fps interlaced with pulldown flags to 23.976 fps progressive. It is fully Blu-ray compatible as long as the POSTPROCFLAG field is zero (it will fail with an error message if POSTPROCFLAG is set) and there are no IMODE changes from Raw mode to anything else (not sure if any tool looks for this).

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip
Hey - cool! Two questions:

(1) Would you mind if I added your new solution to eac3to?
(2) Do you happen to have similar pulldown stripping code available for MPEG2 and h264?

Thanks!! :)

[madshi]

I think the -strippulldown switch on eac3to only applies if you are using eac3to to do the .evo demuxing (it's basically vc1conv version 0.1 integrated into eac3to demuxing). In this guide, EVODemux is being used to demux, and eac3to is only being fed the audio stream for conversion, so I can't believe -strippulldown is required or would even do anything at all.
You're right, of course.

[nekrosoft13]

The new version (0.2) of vc1conv is ready. It does the complete conversion from 29.97 fps interlaced with pulldown flags to 23.976 fps progressive. It is fully Blu-ray compatible as long as the POSTPROCFLAG field is zero (it will fail with an error message if POSTPROCFLAG is set) and there are no IMODE changes from Raw mode to anything else (not sure if any tool looks for this).

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Ron


sorry for confusion, file works

I initially got the file from here.

0.2 here

http://rapidshare.com/files/92907586/vc1conv.rar.html

file from your link is 60kb, file from rapidshare is 55kb

60kb .2 file works!! in 64bit

thanks!

[musicman2311]

multiplexing mysteries !

All, I just founf the same issue again - stutter for a few seconds - but this time with 1080i !
Strangely I had that several times now and always only once in the movie of 90 - 120 min lenght but always at about 30-32 min time stamp - is that a coincidence ?

Also I can say there was a difference with and without
vc1conv and or h264info.

I use 2 audio channels (2 languages) - one with 640kbit/sec and one with 448kbit/sec.

Next test -not sure that makes sense - reduce audio bitrate (AC3)

Any idea by the experts ? Thanks in advance

[nekrosoft13]

hmm, looks very similar
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Convert_Your_HD_DVDs_to_Blu-Ray

[glen8]

hmm, looks very similar
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Convert_Your_HD_DVDs_to_Blu-Ray

at least they gave me a link :-) still waiting for everything to be ironed out before I really go to town on the guide

[drmpeg]

Hey - cool! Two questions:

(1) Would you mind if I added your new solution to eac3to?

No problemo. I like to include the source for just that reason, and also for the linux crowd.

(2) Do you happen to have similar pulldown stripping code available for MPEG2 and h264?

Thanks!! :)
MPEG-2 would be pretty easy. However, there are so few MPEG-2 HD DVD's, I'm not sure if it's that useful. Also, there's neuron2's DGPulldown (http://neuron2.net/dgpulldown/dgpulldown.html) to cover that base. H.264 is much more involved, but now that I've written the bit handling stuff, I at least have a better starting point. I should probably finish the H.264 parsing in xport first (it's been un-finished for a long time now).

Ron

[drmpeg]

sorry for confusion, file works

I initially got the file from here.

file from your link is 60kb, file from rapidshare is 55kb

60kb .2 file works!! in 64bit

thanks!
Okay, that's good. I know folks dislike the command line applications, but the simplicity of distribution is very nice and simple. No dll's or other headaches.

Ron

[nekrosoft13]

Okay, that's good. I know folks dislike the command line applications, but the simplicity of distribution is very nice and simple. No dll's or other headaches.

Ron

simply the file on rapidshare is corrupt

[DonCarlos]

Hi.

I tried some different ways of making the Blu rays.

Way 1. Just set the pulldown via Tsmuxer to 24fps with 1080i
Way 2. Set the pulldown with vc1conv and do it again with tsmuxer
Way 3. Both ways with but mux them together with Scenarist.(above muxing with Tsmuxer)
All ways ended in jerky playback.

I thought Glen said something how he got it to work? Could you please explain that.

I got some other things on my mind:

Why is it always working on the PC?

What happens if you use tsmuxer to mux them to m2ts? does this make any differenc?

Where is the mistake? In the muxing? In the files itself or even in the second muxing with TsRemux?

What happens if you don't select des checkboxes in TsRemuxer over des stream selection?

Does it make any difference if you mux with Scenarist or Tsmuxer?

Slowly I am doing to test all this things.

By the way I don't think the problem lies in vc1conv. I would guess it would cause other problems if you did not use vc1conv.

Are there any other news? I thought glen said he got it to work but the guide isn't updated?! Hope that the problems are solved soon.

[glen8]

Hi Don,

for VC-1 do this:-

evodemux -> strip streams

run video through vc1conv

run audio through eac3to to ac3 (or .wavs and encode to dts with surcode)

MUI Generator to create .ves files

Import .ves into scenarist

Click on audio in the data section and change framerate to 23.976

Create playlist and create chapters if required

Save project

Close down scenarist, open project.xml in notepad and change copypermission at the bottom to 0. Save and then open back up in scenarist

Load up MUXServer

From scenarist mux the project, don't have to create disc image

Burn the folders in nero like normal :-)

If you want to make the disc look professional, take the META folder from a new sony blu-ray (spider-man 3 for example) and copy it into your folder. Edit the .xml and change the title. Create new .jpg images keeping the same image dimensions

Good luck :-)

[DonCarlos]

Thanks Glen

I am going to try this when I get home on Sunday. Just some more questions. With this method your Blu ray plays perfect?The only new thing you do is that you put the framrate of the audio also to 23.976. Then you mux it with scenarist. I am still hoping our problem does not lie in Tsmuxer, because that would make the guide not that useful becuase not everybody has scenarist. I am goning to do more testing here.
By the way did you get scenarist to work under Vista? If yes how? I always have to load up an XP Pro system to use it and I don't like that too much.

[glen8]

I had a problem on Vista 64bit but on 32bit it works fine.........well, it has an error right at the end creating shortcuts but I just open up the .exes and it's fine

[glen8]

I have only watched the first 30mins but everything seems ok so far

[zeroprobe]

Thanks Glen

I am going to try this when I get home on Sunday. Just some more questions. With this method your Blu ray plays perfect?The only new thing you do is that you put the framrate of the audio also to 23.976. Then you mux it with scenarist. I am still hoping our problem does not lie in Tsmuxer, because that would make the guide not that useful becuase not everybody has scenarist. I am goning to do more testing here.
By the way did you get scenarist to work under Vista? If yes how? I always have to load up an XP Pro system to use it and I don't like that too much.

VMware Virtual machine is great for this. It's great running a virtual windows xp for programs vista can't run properly.

[nekrosoft13]

wait, so even if it works on PC, it might not work on stand-alone player? why is that?

[glen8]

wait, so even if it works on PC, it might not work on stand-alone player? why is that?

Yes, PCs never had a problem with the conversions. It was only when we tried the set top players we noticed the slowdown.

[nekrosoft13]

Yes, PCs never had a problem with the conversions. It was only when we tried the set top players we noticed the slowdown.

do all players have this problem? or just first gen?

[DonCarlos]

The PS 3 has problems but glen may have found a solution I till check that on sunday if it works.

Is it possible to install something on the VMware Virtual machine?

[nekrosoft13]

Is it possible to install something on the VMware Virtual machine?

yes you can

[drmpeg]

vc1conv has been updated to version 0.3

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Changes for 0.3

1) Removed dependency on POSTPROCFLAG being equal to zero.
2) Removed setting of POSTPROCFLAG and adding POSTPROC bits.
3) Made bitrate display accurate.
4) Put frame count back in, and added running time.

I also fixed the last frame issue, but only if there is an End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream. If there is no End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream, then vc1conv deletes the last frame whether it's complete or not (it can't tell if the last frame is complete without parsing the entire frame).

Ron

[burro08]

Glen.... I have a bit of problem i have renamed my audio stream to .dd+ (as thats what it is, and the movie is Thransformers btw)

But when i do step 3 in dos eac2to gives this error: source file c:\videos\audio.dd" not found.. but the paths are right be cause thats where it is..

Heres the commandline i ran

c:\hdtools\eac3to.exe c:\videos\audio.dd+" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -nero -640

ive tried the gui version but it doesent work either

EDIT

It works if i choose libav -640.... But not if i choose nero or sonic also i have to rename the file to .eac3 and not what is said in ur guide ie dd+

Any Ideas why??
thanks
burro

[musicman2311]

vc1conv has been updated to version 0.3

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Changes for 0.3

1) Removed dependency on POSTPROCFLAG being equal to zero.
2) Removed setting of POSTPROCFLAG and adding POSTPROC bits.
3) Made bitrate display accurate.
4) Put frame count back in, and added running time.

I also fixed the last frame issue, but only if there is an End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream. If there is no End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream, then vc1conv deletes the last frame whether it's complete or not (it can't tell if the last frame is complete without parsing the entire frame).

Ron

Frankly Speaking - I do not know what all that means, but

I have remuxed the movie that had a 'stutter' disturbance at about 31 min for around 10 sec ; I ran it through vc1conv 0.3 first.

As far as I can tell, it runs absolutely smoothly now.

Thank you very much !

[musicman2311]

Frankly Speaking - I do not know what all that means, but

I have remuxed the movie that had a 'stutter' disturbance at about 31 min for around 10 sec ; I ran it through vc1conv 0.3 first.

As far as I can tell, it runs absolutely smoothly now.

Thank you very much !

Sorry Sorry Sorry !

Problem is still there, just at 29 min (i.e. 2 min earlier).

If anybody has any suggestion how to avoid this, please help !

Thanks

[burro08]

I have converted the file and renamed the m2ts to mp4 to play on the ps3 but when i do the same again but split the file so i can put it on an external drive it wont work... The ps3 says there are no titles in folder

Any Ideas???

Thanks

[DonCarlos]

Sorry Sorry Sorry !

Problem is still there, just at 29 min (i.e. 2 min earlier).

If anybody has any suggestion how to avoid this, please help !

Thanks

Did you test what glen said about muxing together with scenarist and so on? I will try I today. Lets seeif that works.

[glen8]

Glen.... I have a bit of problem i have renamed my audio stream to .dd+ (as thats what it is, and the movie is Thransformers btw)

But when i do step 3 in dos eac2to gives this error: source file c:\videos\audio.dd" not found.. but the paths are right be cause thats where it is..

Heres the commandline i ran

c:\hdtools\eac3to.exe c:\videos\audio.dd+" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -nero -640

ive tried the gui version but it doesent work either

EDIT

It works if i choose libav -640.... But not if i choose nero or sonic also i have to rename the file to .eac3 and not what is said in ur guide ie dd+

Any Ideas why??
thanks
burro

Sorry I thought I had updated the guide. You need to rename it to .ddp rather than .dd+

[musicman2311]

to whom it may concern - I am embarrassed but happy to report that my recently reported issues stem from a scratched disc. I exchanged the disc (BD-RE) and the very same movie play absolutely fine on PS3.

Thanks again to the authors of h264info and vc1conv.

[burro08]

Sorry I thought I had updated the guide. You need to rename it to .ddp rather than .dd+

Thanks glen also any ideas on splitting the file (in my above post)

[DonCarlos]

to whom it may concern - I am embarrassed but happy to report that my recently reported issues stem from a scratched disc. I exchanged the disc (BD-RE) and the very same movie play absolutely fine on PS3.

Thanks again to the authors of h264info and vc1conv.

It is good to hear that it works fine for you now. How did you mux? With Scenarist or Tsmuxer?
At the moment I am testing the way glen told us.

[eyekyu]

if someone can point me into the right direction that would be great.

when i go to play the bd-rw in my ps3 im gettin audio but no video. my source is an mkv file

[burro08]

glen i did as u said and changed the file name to .ddp.. but still no luck when i choose nero. i am using nero 7 ultra edition.. do i need an extra plug in or somehing??

[B4tm4n]

glen i did as u said and changed the file name to .ddp.. but still no luck when i choose nero. i am using nero 7 ultra edition.. do i need an extra plug in or somehing??


You need Nero HD-DVD / Blu-Ray plugin aswell as nero 7.

[glen8]

If you haven't got the Nero HD-DVD / Blu-Ray Plugin and can't afford it change the -nero to -libav

[DonCarlos]

Hi

I did the same as Glen did(with scenarist and all the stuff) and it worked for me.

By the way did you guys take the disc which Scenarist created or did you take the m2ts file which scenarist created and run this through tsremux to create the BD structure?
I did it with Tsremux, because the Ps3 didn't like the disc created by Scenarist at all.

If it worked for you with Scenarist could somebody of you do the thing with Tsremux just to check that this also works in the right way. Thanks

[burro08]

You need Nero HD-DVD / Blu-Ray plugin aswell as nero 7.

I Have the plug in and it workin but not when i try to do the eac3to bit

[burro08]

Any ideas?

[B4tm4n]

Best ask in the eac3to thread.

[glen8]

Any ideas?

uninstall Nero, reboot and then reinstall

[glen8]

Hi

I did the same as Glen did(with scenarist and all the stuff) and it worked for me.

By the way did you guys take the disc which Scenarist created or did you take the m2ts file which scenarist created and run this through tsremux to create the BD structure?
I did it with Tsremux, because the Ps3 didn't like the disc created by Scenarist at all.

If it worked for you with Scenarist could somebody of you do the thing with Tsremux just to check that this also works in the right way. Thanks


I ran it through tsremux as I am splitting the .m2ts up into sections so they fit on a DVD-9

I had to sell my blu-ray burner as the eject button didnt line up with my case (damn stealth bays)

[jokin]

I can get the first part of this tutorial to work fine. The TSremux to bluray structure. I can not get Scenarist to mux completely. I am using a h264 ES and I remove the pulldown etc. I stop right before the tsmuxer portion and make the VES files for import. They import fine. I make the basic stucture found elsewhere on doom9. I remove the Copypermission tag and set it to 0. Then I go to mux and about 5% it says disc failed with unknown error. In the log it says not much other than "pts_ofNextGOP is empty".

Any ideas on what is wrong? Tried on my Band of brothers import and on my Next HDDVD.

EDIT:

exact error: "2008-03-01T02:53:10Z|ERROR|MUX_SN_E_TS_UNKNOW_ERR|F:\Blu-Ray\Authoring\tester\Output\MUX\Disc\DB\BDMV\STREAM/00000.m2ts|0|Unknown Error|tswrapper.dll::CTSWrapper::ProcThreadMain::This program has a bug. - m_ptsOfNextGOP is empty.|"

[fuzz!]

I Have the plug in and it workin but not when i try to do the eac3to bit

why not skip the eac3to bit?

i did.. just demuxed the DD+ stream and remuxed it into the blu-ray structure.

works fine...

[glen8]

why not skip the eac3to bit?

i did.. just demuxed the DD+ stream and remuxed it into the blu-ray structure.

works fine...

Yes that will work...unless the filesize is then too big to fit on a BD-R

[glen8]

scenarist works great with VC-1 but not with AVC

for AVC use the guide on page1

[DonCarlos]

Hi guys I am trying to implement the HDDVD subtitles into the final Bluray. I demux the streams(with EVOdemux) to an sup file. Then I convert this one to a srt file using suprip. After that I load the subtitles into subtitle workshop 4 beta. With that I can export them to a bdn file. Scenarist will like this file. I choose fps 23.976 than I choose video format 1080 and I choose timecode format to 30 frames/sec non drop frame. After that I change the colour of the writing to grey, because Scenarist does not like white. In Scenarist I set the offset of the subtitle to the time the first frame should show up, because scenarist takes the first event as 0. Then I mux everything together. The subtitles show up when I watch the movie. In the beginning the are in perfect sync but in the ending they are out of sync. Any Ideas? I hope you can help because I don't know. Perhaps there is another way to convert the subtitles in a format Scenarist likes?!

[MrFaust]

Has anyone sucessfully converted V For Vendetta or The Matrix Trilogy from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray and had them play on a PS3?

If so, can you give me some tips if there was anything special other than what's in this guide?

I'm going to try to start converting these 4 movies.

[y2jdmbfan]

Does this method only work for PS3? Is there any method to get HD-DVD to Blu-Ray working on set-top players?

[jokin]

This should work for set top players as well.

[fuzz!]

The first movie I tried worked brilliantly (after discovering that I had selected the wrong audio track).

However, I tried to convert another disc and the audio is way out of synch.

Is there some way to see the delay of an audio track? None of the information I saw in EVODemux and the XPL information showed a delay.

[glen8]

The first movie I tried worked brilliantly (after discovering that I had selected the wrong audio track).

However, I tried to convert another disc and the audio is way out of synch.

Is there some way to see the delay of an audio track? None of the information I saw in EVODemux and the XPL information showed a delay.

AVC or VC-1?

List the steps you took

[napalm-187]

hi

hi i have make an m2ts from an vc1 and dts

vc1 converted from hd dvd with vc1conv without the pulldownflags

streams plays with reclock but i have all 10 seconds audiodrops

my output is analog and not over spidf

the same file make with scenarist works without the audiodrops

played with powerdvd or zoomplayer, wmv decoder and ac3filter

where is here the prob?

[y2jdmbfan]

This should work for set top players as well.

I have tried a bunch of players using this guide and then using glen8's suggestion for VC-1 movies and I haven't gotten one to play on any set-top players, but they work great on PS3...Is there something to do with the way we burn the movies with Nero that could be doing it? I get the "this disc cannot be played" message on set-top players...

[glen8]

I have tried a bunch of players using this guide and then using glen8's suggestion for VC-1 movies and I haven't gotten one to play on any set-top players, but they work great on PS3...Is there something to do with the way we burn the movies with Nero that could be doing it? I get the "this disc cannot be played" message on set-top players...

are you burning to BD-R or splitting and burning on DVDs?

[y2jdmbfan]

Bd-re

[priyaradha]

glen great guide!! but i have problems playing back i am doing matrix reloaded, my playback is stuttering after i convert it to blu-ray. The evo plays fine however after the encoding to bluray all i get is jerky playback any ideas??

[priyaradha]

never mind it turns out nero was the culprit i un-installed it and everything works fine..

[glen8]

I have nearly finished an updated guide

should put an end to any outstanding issues

[madshi]

Encoding to DTS with surcode introduces sync issues
That shouldn't happen. Eventually Surcode still puts padding (just some zero bytes after each DTS frame) into the DTS file. You can remove the padding by running the DTS file another time through eac3to. That will remove the padding and restore audio sync.

[glen8]

That shouldn't happen. Eventually Surcode still puts padding (just some zero bytes after each DTS frame) into the DTS file. You can remove the padding by running the DTS file another time through eac3to. That will remove the padding and restore audio sync.

I know, it's all in the new guide

[priyaradha]

hey glen quick question i just did a quick playback of my conversion but for some reason my movie never gets to the credits. It just stops half way near the end...any ideas?? I was using Matrix Revolution

[glen8]

hey glen quick question i just did a quick playback of my conversion but for some reason my movie never gets to the credits. It just stops half way near the end...any ideas?? I was using Matrix Revolution

Give us a couple of days, I have that movie to test

[fuzz!]

AVC or VC-1?

List the steps you took

sorry for the delay... (in regards to my delay issue *boom tish*)

VC-1 with DD+ audio. (like most hd-dvds i've seen) the movie was king kong.

followed all the steps in the guide, except skipping the transform to AC3 (left as original EAC3).

nothing unusual, evodemux->vc1conv->tsmuxer->tsremux.

[glen8]

sorry for the delay... (in regards to my delay issue *boom tish*)

VC-1 with DD+ audio. (like most hd-dvds i've seen) the movie was king kong.

followed all the steps in the guide, except skipping the transform to AC3 (left as original EAC3).

nothing unusual, evodemux->vc1conv->tsmuxer->tsremux.

VC-1 really needs to be used through scenarist

The guide one page1 is a bit outdated to be honest, I'll try and finish the new one for the weekend

[jagaskywalker]

VC-1 really needs to be used through scenarist

The guide one page1 is a bit outdated to be honest, I'll try and finish the new one for the weekend

I have made a bluray version of King Kong using scenarist 4.2 and it works perfectly on PS3.

evodemuxer -> vc1conv -> scenarist -> tsremux (to create AVCHD for DVD9)

The audio was:

evodemuxer -> eac3to (using sonic codec, it worked with 5.1. Unfortunatelly I do not have the nero 7 codecs which would result in a better encoding) -> scenarist (had to add 00:00:00:23 to have it in sync, I do not know why the duration of the audio and video was different)

subtitles:

evodemuxer -> supread -> scenarist (I had to specify the start time of the first subtitle as it appeared as 00:00:00:00)

I have two questions:

Is it possible to have the dd+ audio track without re-encoding to ac3 ?

Is it possible to trim the end of the video in scenarist ? It does not fit within a single layer bluray by a few Mbs (I do not mind loosing some part of the end credits)

Cheers

J

[madshi]

evodemuxer -> eac3to (using sonic codec, it worked with 5.1. Unfortunatelly I do not have the nero 7 codecs which would result in a better encoding)
Better use "-libav" instead of "-sonic". Gives you better quality.

[priyaradha]

thanks for getting back glen, i am going to try to convert it again just to make sure i didn't miss a step. The only difference i did on the conversion is change the chapters to 15min instead of 10min. But let me go back to default and see what happens..

[DonCarlos]

I found the same issues with audio streams. Some audio streams are shorter than other(I don't know why it is that way).I am German so I first tested with the german audio tracks and all was fine. Than I wanted to have more audio tracks (by using scenarist). My testing movie always was the bourne supremacy. There the English audio track is on second shorter than the german so it was one second out of sync. The a friend of me tried the same with king kong and found out that there the English audio stream is also about on second shorter than the german one. Also this second was missing at the beginning. So I don't know how to handel it you have to figure it out yourself.but the the missing time I think is always in the beginning.

Than somebody already said it. I too was able to integreat the original subtitles into the blu ray. Open the subtitles with Supread(it has to be the newest beta otherwise you have to use hdsup2bdn and use the command to fix the times in an bdn file and chacnge the framerate to 23.976)and export the subtitles to an Blu ray bdn file. You can import this bdn file into scenarist. After that you have to delay the subtitle stream the time until the first frame should show up. It will work

[priyaradha]

thats funny i am also trying to convert Bourne supremacy, i also had an audio sync, but i thought i must of screwed up somewhere so i am in the process of redoing it. Where exactly do i fix the audio sync? btw i am using the US version of the movie with English audio track. Do you know the exact offset between the video and audio for the enlish version so i don't have to spend time syncing it.

[fuzz!]

VC-1 really needs to be used through scenarist

The guide one page1 is a bit outdated to be honest, I'll try and finish the new one for the weekend

the video is fine.. i dont see how scenarist could help.

i would hope all i need is to punch in a number of milliseconds delay somewhere... and to know what that number is of course.

might be something to ask EVOdemux.

thanks glen8, look forward to the updated guide :)

[DonCarlos]

thats funny i am also trying to convert Bourne supremacy, i also had an audio sync, but i thought i must of screwed up somewhere so i am in the process of redoing it. Where exactly do i fix the audio sync? btw i am using the US version of the movie with English audio track. Do you know the exact offset between the video and audio for the enlish version so i don't have to spend time syncing it.

I was using the European version. But I think it should be the same. You have to get the englisch audio an offset of 1000ms to the movie start. If you do it in Scenarist click on stream editor and klick on the englisch audio track with the right mouse button. Then on time and then 10000ms video offste.If you use tsmuxer just klick on the audio stream. Then somewhere will delay apear. Take 1000ms.

[glen8]

I've done about 7 VC-1 movies and 3 AVC movies now and never had any audio problems.

Make sure you have the latest versions of all the software as they often get updated.

The new guide has a few different options for audio so you should find at least one which works lol

[madshi]

The usual source of audio sync problems is that the audio and video tracks don't always begin at the same time in the EVO (or m2ts) container. EvoDemux does not care and just demuxes the tracks as they are. As a result when simply muxing the video and audio tracks to a new container there will be audio sync problems. When eac3to is used for demuxing, eac3to will automatically apply audio delays where necessary to make audio and video in sync *). This problem only occurs with some movies, though. Many movies are authored in such a way that audio and video begin at the same time. With such movies there's no need to apply any delays.

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*) Bourne Supremecy is still not in sync even when using eac3to. I've not yet had the time to figure out why. It's the only movie I know which doesn't have correct audio sync when demuxing with eac3to.

[priyaradha]

I've done about 7 VC-1 movies and 3 AVC movies now and never had any audio problems.

Make sure you have the latest versions of all the software as they often get updated.

The new guide has a few different options for audio so you should find at least one which works lol

which guide about different audio options? I cant see any difference on the guide on the first page. Has the same thing that i have been following... am i missing something?

[burro08]

*) Bourne Supremecy is still not in sync even when using eac3to. I've not yet had the time to figure out why. It's the only movie I know which doesn't have correct audio sync when demuxing with eac3to.

Why did you get the HD and not the blu-ray???

Glen would you like some screen shots for your guide??

[MrFaust]

Why did you get the HD and not the blu-ray???


none of the Bourne series is on Bluray.

[priyaradha]

here are my results btw i am using Cole2k Media codec pack (if it makes any difference?)

Matrix Reloaded(DD+)-delay on audio set to 1000ms
Matrix Revolution(THD)- NONE
Bourne Identity(DD+)-None
Bourne Supremacy(DD+)- delay on audio set to1000ms
Shooter (DD+)-None


**FYI when i did matrix revolution i set my chapter interval to 15min instead of 10min in tsRemux for some reason this caused the movie to cut off at the end. However after going back to 10min interval worked fine. Also if audio doesn't sync use 1000ms delay w/tsMuxeR. (worked for most of my conversions).**

[burro08]

none of the Bourne series is on Bluray.

Your right i apologise...

[mparter]

Looks like you guys have done an excellent job of getting this working for playing from disc on a PS3 or other Blu-Ray player. Now, how can what's been learned here be applied to streaming source HD DVD content to the PS3?

:thanks:

[GatorTex]

Thanks so much for these guides to all who have heavily contributed. I've successfully re-encoded Transformers, Batman Begins, and TMNT HD-DVDs to Blu-ray with absolutely no stuttering problems (VC-1 or H.264). Now, if only BD-J could handle all the IME of an HD-DVD we could transfer the entire disc with menus! I know, I'm dreaming....but one can hope. The only negative thing about all this is losing all the extra features but I do understand most just want to watch the movie in hi-def and nothing else.

Now I can have my favorite HD-DVD exclusive movies on Blu-Ray (minus all the extra goodies of course). A big shout out to all you guys. Thanks!

[hidef_rec]

Has anyone converted 'Equilibrium' HD DVD? It's a Japanese import. I change the main EVOs to FEATURE_1.evo and FEATURE_2.evo (as they weren't named that way) so EVODemux would create the MPV and MPA correctly. Problem is the MPA. I picked the first DD+ stream, but it doesn't seem to work. Also, loading the MPV file in H264info crashes it. Any ideas?

[napalm-187]

hi

i have an problem with unsync in the movies with vc1 about the second half.
first part is sync, second part is unsync

i must add a - delay off -100-150 ms in mpc then is the second part sync , but the first is unsync

i think the prob is when evodemux join the second evo

there is an option adjust pts to evos there follows in evodemux?

must i check this option? for demux the video?

but this prob is not in all movies

the audiotrack is converted with eac3to to ac3 or dts

thx

[GatorTex]

napalm...have you tried changing the audio framerate in Scenarist from 29.97 to 23.976?

[y2jdmbfan]

Has anyone got this method to work on standalone Blu-ray players?

[glen8]

New Guide now online :-)