quality from capture to SVCD?

[Carrier_20]

Ok, here is the deal. I have been using DVDtoSVCD and it is incredible. I am just blown away by the results. I use the standard settings. CCE with quality of 17 and noise reduction at a value of 3.

Now, I have an All-in-wonder Radeon. I capture using Virtualdub and Huff as the codec, S-video from satelite reciever at 704 x 480. Therefore pretty good captures. What I have been doing is Opening the captured file, applying 2 filters. First resize to 480 x 480. Next apply deinterlace (blend mode). Then frameserve to CCE 2.50 using 3 pass VBR min 300, avg 2000, max 2400.

The results are decent. But that's all. In high motion scenes I get blocks. Last but not least it seems to be just a tad bigger than the original on screen. I lose maybe 1/8 of an inch on all sides. Not a big deal but still would like to fix it. But the biggest problem is the quality. If DVDtoSVCD does so well with CCE, why can't the captures.

P.S.
I know that a capture is not even close to a VOB file that is already mpeg 2. That's not why I am talking about DVD2SVCD. I understand you can't get DVD quality. I'm not trying to, but shouldn't it be near the quality of the original capture file using Huff? I mean DVD2SVCD uses CCE and doesn't have blocks...

Sorry for the book, but I would just like to get my shows onto disc.
Thanks, Carrier

[mrbass]

give me 2 or 3 weeks and I should be able to help. Just ordered AMD 1700 today for home with 1394 card. I did a little experimenting last night on my friends machine and movement parts were kinda bad. A few things to try are jack up the Anti-noise to 8 or 10. Try the temporal smoother (slows encoding to 40%). Read the Advanced Reference CCE section and see which options should be unchecked for home video and home caputure type video.

I think this belongs in the Capturing forum though.

[PoKKeNoiSe]

If you first 'deinterlace' and then resize you will probably get a better image. And if there is noise in the video you should use 'Dynamic Noise Reduction' as filter in VirtualDub too

Also a good site for this matter is (also Dynamic Noise Reduction is there (freeware))
Cart's site (http://www.geocities.com/lukesvideo/index.html)

good luck!

[gft]

Because you are encoding at 480x480, you should preserve the interlacing information. Don't deinterlace, and encode in interlaced mode (vs. progressive). This should improve your image quality, at least (and especially) on TV.

Also, your encoding speed will improve.

-gft

[legman]

Its also a limit of cce in svcd encoding. It is very bad at motion in low svcd bitrates, even with 3 passes. TMPGenc is slightly better.

[Carrier_20]

Thanks for all the help. I am going to give these a try tonight. I will just do a 5 minute capture and check the results.

I thought I had a problem when it played and I didn't deinterlace, but I will try again.

I look forward to your results mrbass.

As for legman, I'm a little confused. I have tried TMPgenc also, but you said CCE is hampered by low bitrates. I'll take your word on it, but why does DVDtoSVCD do so well then.:confused: I mean it uses cce as it's encoder and at the same bitrates? Oh well, thanks again for your input. I will post back with my results.