Interlaced frames after using iVTC

[Henox]

Hello there, hello people

I don't know if there is the great place in the forumto tell you about my problem. But what it sure is that what I have to ask you for deals with avisynth and the configuration of iVTC. Currently I'm working with Gordian Knot based on BeSweet for audio encoding, and on Virtual Dub Mod for video encoding

So first I want to say I'm encoding videos this is a long time and I'm satisfied with some rips ; but there subsists a problem I hate. In fact, I work with promo NTSC files which are interlaced and consequently I apply Telecine Inverse (iVTC) so as to solve the problem. But UNFORTUNATELY there subsists interlaced frames in some files which makes me fool. For example, you can take a look at that pig :

http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/1670vltuEBWcXSGtGNkurAFoKsafro1L6b2Mv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg

You can clearly see the interlaced frame. Then this my "configuration" :

http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/1670vltuEBWcXSGtGNkurAFoKlCMi7lLoboZv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg

Actually there no particular configuration , this is just a classic avisynth script based on "decimate" and "telecine". Consequently I think I have to make a manual iVTC in order to solve the problem. So tell me if that is possible with Gordian Knot and Avisynth.
You can note this a classic problem you can find in some of videos.

On the other hand I heard about TMPGenc 2.5 plus which is much better Gordian Knot . This program enables the user to make a perfect manual iVTC. I want you to explain me clearly - without giving links me to the guide of this site - how to :

- Open my VOB and crop it (I talk about the resolution which I want to configure)
- Make a perfect manual iVTC frame per frame in order to have the best result as possible.
- Save it in AVI by using XviD M-PEG 4 codec (I precise audio is not a problem, I just want to encode the video part of the VOB).

I'm not sure but I think this program is used by scene music video groups (there is a difference when you look at the text of a video made by one of them) ; given that ,to my mind, I'm encoding music videos, I want to be more performant thant I am. That's why I'm now requiering your help and your experience.

Finally if you think I'm wrong and I have not chosen the best program (Gordian Knot or TPGMenc 2.5), just tell me because It could help me. I want you to understand that it's very crucial for me to make the best rips as possible by using MANUAL IVTC. So, if you can help me and spend a time to explain there where I'm mistaken or how I can proceed to encode in the way I want, I'll be very happy.

I thank all the users who will help me :)

[neuron2]

Your first post has two rule violations: rule 6, don't talk about "scene groups" and their work, and rule 12: don't ask what's best.

http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm

If you need help with a specific interlacing problem, post a link to a short *unprocessed* source sample that we can use to duplicate your issue. Screenshots of your processed output are not useful for helping you. We need to determine the nature of the source material. It may not be fixable even with a "perfect IVTC" because there may be pathologies such as field blending, orphaned fields, etc. And it may not even be pulled-down all the way through. So we need to see the unprocessed source material.

[Henox]

Oh sorry for violating your rules, I'm new there ; howhever I think there is no use hidding my ambitions ; that's why I've mentionned rippers and "best result".
My material consists in classical VOBS in NTSC format. Some of them are interlaced. That's I want to know is to make manual iVTC in order to not encounter interlaced frames.

[Henox]

I talka bout Promo Only videos

[mahsah]

Try downloading megui and using its avisynth script maker to find the right ivtc method

[neuron2]

howhever I think there is no use hidding my ambitions ; that's why I've mentionned rippers and "best result". Your ambitions are irrelevant. You have to follow our rules.

My material consists in classical VOBS in NTSC format. Some of them are interlaced. That's I want to know is to make manual iVTC in order to not encounter interlaced frames. As I said, you may have pathologies that even manual IVTC cannot correct. Such pathologies are common. You may be misplacing your hopes for a solution. If you post a sample as I suggested, we can tell you whether such pathologies are present and how to correct them.

If you are looking for a tutorial on TMPGEnc, you should post that in the correct forum.

[Henox]

I don't think my ambitions are irrelevant as you said neuron2. You put a rule which forbid us to talk about a sensible subject (rippers) because you don't want to have problems. To my mind I'm just a particular who is interested in ripping, making videos and sharing them with others. I don't see the point of not being clear with you and this forum : I say exactely what I want and I'm not the kind of man who tries to s*** others so as to obtain informations. But in spite of that, I want to respect your rules, and consequently I will not refer to rippers or other things you don't want there.
neuron2 you talk about pathologies : I disagree with that because the file I use in VOB (Ja rule - Uh Oh) could be much better than it is now. What I want is to correct each frame by using a manual iVTC which represents a important job but not impossible. But currently I don't know how to proceed and that's why there subsibst this kind of interlaced frames as you saw in the pig.
When you talk about a "sample", you want me to give you a download link for the original VOB or to part of the video ? I don't think it could help us because if you would configure yourself the manual iVTC it could be great but doesn't help me. Actually I just want to know how to use it MYSELF ! ;)

[manono]

No one wants to hear about your justifications or your ambitions or your moral values. If you want help then make a sample available, one which shows the problems you're having.
When you talk about a "sample", you want me to give you a download link for the original VOB or to part of the video ?
Yes, that's what we want. Maybe a 20-40 MB piece of a VOB will be good, or preferably an M2V made using DGIndex since we have no interest in the audio.
I don't think it could help us because if you would configure yourself the manual iVTC it could be great but doesn't help me. Actually I just want to know how to use it MYSELF !
Well, you're the one that asked for help. We can't do anything without a sample showing what you need help with. That's how we work. If you can't or won't do what's been asked of you without all this whining, then go away. Geez you're annoying.

Although we generally prefer to use the AviSynth IVTC's, which allow for manual tweaking, have you seen Doom9's guide to IVTCing using TMPGEnc:

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/tmpg-ivtc.htm

[neuron2]

You put a rule which forbid us to talk about a sensible subject (rippers) because you don't want to have problems. No, the rule I cited instructs you not to talk about scene groups and their activities. Ripping for DVD backup is fine. Try to read what we say and don't make up stuff.

neuron2 you talk about pathologies : I disagree with that because the file I use in VOB (Ja rule - Uh Oh) could be much better than it is now. That's a totally senseless statement. In fact, your observation suggests that such pathologies may be present.

[Henox]

Ok guys, I think it can be better if I just send you the entire video instead of a small part for it. So this is the links :

[links deleted]

But this video is just an example, you know the configuration is different for every VOB. As I said below, TMPGenc seems to be approriate to release a manual iVTC frame per frame. For sure I've ever looked to the guide given by the site, but I prefer you to tell me directly what it's better for my case (inf act if you consider I have to follow that guide, ust precise me). On the other hand, I heard TMPGenc enables users to save their file in AVI XviD M-PEG 4. Howhever, your tutorials and a lot of the guides I found on the net don't deal with that possibility ; to my mind I want to encode directly in AVI after having used manual iVTC. It's possible that TMPGenc is adapted to save in .M2V or .MPG.
So - I don't know - perhaps I'm wrong and TMPGenc is not the good choice for me. Consequently I wait for your answer.

[neuron2]

Please cite your legitimate source for having this protected promo material.

Do not post ENTIRE videos. It violates copyright. You may post only small fair-use samples, as we have requested several times.

[Henox]

I've made a sample of my video which I uploaded myself at rapidshare ; this is the link :

[link removed]

I think you will see the interlaced frames quickly. But I'm sure it's not usefull for you because you probably know about all that classic problems. In fact, I want to make my own manual iVTC. The program used (TMPGenc, VDM...) doesn't matter, what is crucial is to can look at each frame to have the best result as possible and to encode directly in M-PEG4.

[Terranigma]

The source is not legal in itself according to Promo Only

Promo Only CDs and DVDs are available only in a subscription format. A 3 month subscription is the smallest subscription available. To become a Promo Only subscriber, YOU MUST BE A RADIO STATION OR WORKING PROFESSIONAL DISC JOCKEY. The subscription is to only be used in a promotional manner, and is not to be further distributed in any format.
Source (http://www.promoonly.com/subscribe/). This violates rule 6 (http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm).
:readrule:

You have to actually own the video, and even if you were a dj or music industry professional, it'd still violate their terms if we were to actually download it, or if you posted in a format other than what's on the disc.

Now if you had the same source without wording (which'll mean you perhaps may actually own the disc), then it'd be ok.

[neuron2]

@Henox

You ignored my question about your rights to the source, so I have no choice but to close the thread. You're going to have to learn to take the rules and the forum moderators seriously.