Can't Jump to Root Menu for Ratatouille

[curious d]

Hi. I was backing up my copy of Ratatouille (my son wanted to see it immediately after it came in the mail) and while ripping, RI4M was unable to find the "first menu" and I was unable to create an ISO that can jump to the Root Menu. My settings are to remove all the files that are considered useless. Is there a setting that is prevent me from having the DVD jump immediately the Root Menu for this DVD? Thanks.

[setarip_old]

Hi!

Although I don't have an answer to your question, I'd ask you - What happens if you press the "Menu" button on your remote?

[curious d]

I haven't burn the disc yet. When I press the software DVD menu button, it is like the DVD. It must play through the first few messages (FBI warning and the Disney DVD commercial) before reaching the previews when I can finally press the menu button to reach the Root Menu. Using PgcEdit, I found the file for the Root Menu, but when I try to press run, it states "-- pre 6 : LinkPTT Chapter 2 #######Target not found!" and I can not proceed any further. This is probably the same error that RI4M came across. I don't know what to do from here.

Edit: Incidently, the post commands for this section states: (CallSS) Call the VMGM PGC 16, resume cell 1. The cell commands states: Set gprm(15) -(mov) 106 ; LinkTailPGC.

I have no idea what this means.

[setarip_old]

I can only tell you that I used RipIt4Me v.1.6.4 (including using both "Step 3B" and "FixVTS") to rip the FULL DVD (NOT as ISO) - and then compressed with DVD Shrink.

Playback (both from hard drive with a software DVD player and from a burned DVD on a standalone player) is as follows:

Initial screen (white lettering on blue background, "This product..."), press/select "Menu", goes directly to main menu.

I also experimented by ripping the DVD using DVD95Copy Pro v.39_111. The resultant copy behaved in exactly the same fashion.

It may be that RipIt4Me has a tiny problem with the PUOs of this DVD, that contains a new iteration of "RipGuard" copy protection.

[curious d]

The disc rips just fine. I just can't get this to go to the Root Menu like with other Disney discs. I can edit the problematic section, but I don't know what to do.

[setarip_old]

The disc rips just fine.Yes, RipIt4me rips the full disc "just fine".I just can't get this to go to the Root Menu like with other Disney discsThat's why I said,It may be that RipIt4Me has a tiny problem with the PUOs of this DVD, that contains a new iteration of "RipGuard" copy protection.Such a minor problem would not in anyway impact the overall playability of the rip, but would impact the ability to skip certain parts...

[curious d]

Sorry. I don't know what PUO's are. But is there a solution to the problem?

[blutach]

Use PgcEdit's Jump to PGC Upon DVD Insert function. It is better anyway.

Transferred to IFO/VOB Editors.

Regards

[curious d]

Use PgcEdit's Jump to PGC Upon DVD Insert function. It is better anyway.

Transferred to IFO/VOB Editors.

Regards

I tried and got the error listed above. The problem is that I can't pass the error and I don't know what to do. I tried to delete the offending link, but that led to a dead ISO file. Would you be able to help me figure out what is wrong? Thanks.

[iguana69347]

I tried to use RipIt4Me v1.7.1.0 and it wouldn't work. In movie only it only decrypted a small piece of the disc and in full disc it got even less. It had an error something about there are 13 IFOs listed and it can only find 3. I ended up using DVDFab HD Decrypter v3.2.0.0 and compressed with Shrink and it worked fine. That program is free too.

[setarip_old]

@curious dBut is there a solution to the problem?I've offered you a solution in Post #4 of this thread...

[linx05]

iguana, follow this guide (http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/blutach/How_to_use_PgcEdit_new_macro.htm).

[curious d]

@curious dI've offered you a solution in Post #4 of this thread...

Thanks. From the post, it seems one has to press "menu" to get to the root menu. Sorry to belabor the request, but I'm wondering if there is a way to get around the problem RI4M is having with the "jump to the menu" feature. I know it is a small difference from simply pressing "menu" and simply sticking the disc in the player to get to the root menu. However, I'm wondering if there is a simple fix to this small difference. If there isn't a solution, then I will happily keep the current back up solution I have.

[r0lZ]

You can use Fab Decrypter to rip the files, and then use PgcEdit's Jump to PGC function to jump to the main menu upon DVD insert.
What's wrong with that method?

[curious d]

You can use Fab Decrypter to rip the files, and then use PgcEdit's Jump to PGC function to jump to the main menu upon DVD insert.
What's wrong with that method?

Instead of Fab Decrypter, I used RI4M and then used PgcEdit. I ran into the problem listed on post #3 of this thread. For kicks, I changed the command and redirected the link to Chapter 1 instead of 2. I don't know what I did, but the disc now jumps to the root menu without any problems. I tested the disc to see if there were any problems with accessing the other features and apparently, there were no problems. I don't have the previews now, but that is a small point for me.

[r0lZ]

Fine!
It would be interesting to know if the same problem occurs when you rip the DVD with Fab. It's why I suggested doing so. Don't forget that ripit is now discontinued.

[blutach]

I saw a post somewhere (edit - see here (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f62/ratatouille-231156/#post1927154)) saying that a rogue unplayed (but possibly visited?) PGC in VTS 10 was responsible for nav problems in this DVD. You might like to check it out curious d

Regards

[silent_k]

Hi there, long time lurker, first time poster...

I ran a backup of this one last night. The rogue PGC is called 4 times. IIRC, three times in VTS 9 and one (possibly uncalled) time in VTS 10.

I ran a search for Jumps to nowhere in PGCEdit, deleted the 4 commands calling the rogue PGC and my backup was fine in my software player (MPC). I gave the backup to the little one to run crazy with and will definately hear if there where any problems when I get home from work tonight, haha. Hope that helps.

silent_k

btw, I ran my full disc backup with RipIt4Me, skipped the clean VTS step and ran it through VobBlanker after PGCEdit

[setarip_old]

@silent_k

Hi!

The question of this thread is not how to make a viable copy of "Ratatouille", it's how to make a copy that immediately jumps to the Main Menu.

Have you accomplished this with the methodology you've described here?

[silent_k]

Yes, once you fix the broken navigation by removing the references to the rogue PGC (which IIRC all three of the references in VTS 9 will come up before hitting the root menu using PGCEdits trace mode) you can easily hit the root menu through trace mode. It is a then just a matter of setting your breakpoint and using the Jump to PGC feature in PGCEdit.

I've never used the Jump to Root Menu function in RipIt4Me, I've always done it manually through PGCEdit after the rip. My back up does go straight to the root menu now...

silent_k

[setarip_old]

Thanks for clarifying ;>}

[blutach]

I've never used the Jump to Root Menu function in RipIt4Me, I've always done it manually through PGCEdit after the rip. Me too. With PgcEdit, there is human interaction. You do a trace and can see if it the right menu to jump to (e.g. the main menu instead of a useless language selection menu) and if there are problems in the trace, you can fix broken nav commands as silent_k has done (and btw silent_k, welcome to the Doom9 and thanks for breaking the silence :)).

If a bogus PGC is not handled correctly by a program, it will break the nav, as curious d has shown. Obviously, this is less likely to happen when backing up the full DVD (where the structure is preserved in its entirety, save for fake VTSs) or only the main movie (where a very simple, new structure is written). On the other hand, where you try to preserve the movie and menus, lots of things need changing when ripping - fake VTSs need to be discarded, "minor" titlesets need blanking, and in these titlesets, post commands need to be changed to precommands (although this is not strictly necessary and if not done, will aid in preserving the navigation). This is most likely where the difficulties arose with RipIt4Me's jump to menu (which has no human interaction whatsoever).

Regards

[linx05]

This is most likely where the difficulties arose with RipIt4Me's jump to menu (which has no human interaction whatsoever).
I am surprised someone hasn't added some sort of interaction similar to PgcEdits Trace feature. Maybe allowing the user to select which menu to go straight to.

I hope I haven't spoken too soon!

[blutach]

Obviously won't happen with RipIt4Me since the code is now owned by SONY.

Regards

[linx05]

Obviously won't happen with RipIt4Me since the code is now owned by SONY.

Regards
I remember when people were saying something similar about DVD Decrypter...