HDCP Encryption on Dish Network

[dvrhax]

Not sure if this is the best place to post this or if the decrypt would be better but here it goes...

I recently tried to copy some movies from my Dish Network DVR to my computer like I've been doing for over a year now and several of the files when I opened them with DGIndex which I use to demux the streams were solid green and gave a strange aspect ratio. I then tried opening it with mplayer and it refused to play it. So hoping this was a glitch I put my dvr back together recorded some new movies and got the same thing. After doing some digging I found this from Dish Network:

http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/faq/copy_protection/index.shtml

Which basically states that Dish Network enabled new HDCP encryption for HBO and Cinemax. Is this the end of me saving my hbo movies or has anyone heard of or know a workaround.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

[setarip_old]

It sounds like they're making the point that for "Premium" (and, presumably, "Pay Per View"), you are only being given a license to view the actual Dish Network transmissions on your TV - and not to copy them...

[Adub]

Dish Network
Better Information For All

yeah.

[Golgot13]

Dish Network use DVB and Nagravision encryption. So you can use a DVB receiver
with HD and PVR (like EZY-BOX 8000, Clarke-Tech HD 5000, soon DreamBox 8000...)
or DVB PCI card on your computer to record video directly.

About HDCP, there are on web some device which can remove the HDCP protection onn HDMI connection...

[frogman]

I hope this is not the future! That STB (set top boxes) from satellite and cable providers will have HDCP built in to their STB HD products.

[Golgot13]

I hope this is not the future! That STB (set top boxes) from satellite and cable providers with have HDCP built in to their STB HD products.


Yes but you have access at *.ts file record on hard disc...
So after you can demux, remux, decode, recode,... on computer.

[dvrhax]

But thats exactly the problem I have access to the TS files but I can't demux them because they're encrypted. DGIndex just returns a green screen with a crazy resolution. I hoping to find someone who knows how to filter / Decrypt etc the ts file so that I can demux...remux...encode etc.

Thanks

[diogen]

...or DVB PCI card on your computer to record video directly.In North America no satellite provide will authorize using a PC as a receiver...
Non-encrypted channels is all you'll get. Legally...

Diogen.

[Golgot13]

In North America no satellite provide will authorize using a PC as a receiver...
Non-encrypted channels is all you'll get. Legally...

??
If your provider use DVB and encryption available on market with some CAM module
there will is no problem because you can use your card subscription to receive
the channel on your device you want (PC or DVB receiver).

HDCP is only a encryption in HDMI/DVI link (there is no HDCP on TS stream, I see there will be
some a flag which will introduce on TS stream to active the HDCP encryption...).

[Zag]

??
If your provider use DVB and encryption available on market with some CAM module
there will is no problem because you can use your card subscription to receive
the channel on your device you want (PC or DVB receiver).

HDCP is only a encryption in HDMI/DVI link (there is no HDCP on TS stream, I see there will be
some a flag which will introduce on TS stream to active the HDCP encryption...).

No, this will not work in North America. Satellite providers in North America force CAMs to be married to their receivers only. When someone subscribes to Dish Network they will be issued a receiver and a card. Upon activation, the card is then married to that receiver and it will refuse to work with anything else including DVB cards. It is illegal to try and circumvent this "marriage" (of course a lot of people still do it).

[diogen]

??
If your provider use DVB and encryption available on market with some CAM module
there will is no problem because you can use your card subscription to receive
the channel on your device you want (PC or DVB receiver).
You are trying to apply European common sense to NA realities. Don't do that. It doesn't work.
You are not allowed to use DVB cards for anything but FTA. CAM or not CAM.
Many people do. But that you are not allowed to talk about here.:)

Got it?

Diogen.

[Golgot13]

But that you are not allowed to talk about here.:)

Sorry, but many countries in world use same thing that european.
DVB receiver + Cam module + official card are available in Africa, Asia, ...

[diogen]

Sorry, but many countries in world use same thing that european.
DVB receiver + Cam module + official card are available in Africa, Asia, ...
Yes, they do.
But you know that NA is always not like the rest of the world...:)
Maybe that's the reason the piracy rates are the highest...

Diogen.

[SZGY]

There's no CAM module for Nagravision2 and there never will be. So indeed there's no way to legally use your subscriber card outside the official receiver.

In fact, all Nagra2 providers in Europe work exactly the same way. They all use card marriage.

[mikeathome]

In North America no satellite provide will authorize using a PC as a receiver...
Non-encrypted channels is all you'll get. Legally...

Diogen.

... well, there's one solution to legally receive and transport to the PC w/o encryption http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/products.htm

mike

[Golgot13]

There's no CAM module for Nagravision2 and there never will be. So indeed there's no way to legally use your subscriber card outside the official receiver.

If you can not, you can use for Nagravision 2 the "NewCS" emulator cam + official card.
The best choice will be Dreambox DM8000 when it will be available...
I listen that it can read HDDVD (no PiP and network link) from HDD without AACS encryption.

[SZGY]

If you can not, you can use for Nagravision 2 the "NewCS" emulator cam + official card.
The best choice will be Dreambox DM8000 when it will be available...
I listen that it can read HDDVD (no PiP and network link) from HDD without AACS encryption.

I know about such a method. However, getting NewCS to work with a N2 card still requires you to work around the card marriage. It's a not process for the faint hearted though. It's possible nevertheless... yeah.

[Golgot13]

I know about such a method. However, getting NewCS to work with a N2 card still requires you to work around the card marriage. It's a not process for the faint hearted though. It's possible nevertheless... yeah.

Really USA is a strange country with lock device and subcription.
In France (and in Europe) it's different, I can give you a simple example:
all people know the "IPhone" from Macintosh, Macintosh lock the phone
for bundle it with specific GSM provider (agrement with feed back money...)
but in France it is not possible to make a bundle if the phone is not sold unlocked too on market :D :D :D

(Some company, big one, must understand that anti-comptetion/antitrust are prohibited in EU,
so give or sell a software or hardware at one or some specific companies are prohibited :devil: :devil: ....)

[laguna_b]

I have an old Dish MPEG2 DVR so I get only a few HD channels. As far as I know there is no HDCP currently enabled though I pass the signal through a stripper. Because of a shortage of ports for the stripper I have been considering switching to a non-HDCP path. Does anyone know if either the old DVR like mine or the new MPEG4 DVR currently enable HDCP on the DVR DVI/HDMI outputs?

[dvrhax]

I've captured a transport stream approximately 1 minute (15 Mb) for people to check out if anyone wants to get their hands on trying to crack it. Not sure what the best way to make it available is so if anyone has any ideas there as well let me know. Thanks

[Golgot13]

I've captured a transport stream approximately 1 minute (15 Mb) for people to check out if anyone wants to get their hands on trying to crack it. Not sure what the best way to make it available is so if anyone has any ideas there as well let me know. Thanks


Did you search?
Because I find quickly that Nagravision 2 is hacked (lot of people know),
and I see there is some last key for Dish Network.

There is different method to hack a encrypted file (video TS), someone is to hack
by DCW key find use on DVB standard.....

But I recommand to use a official card with emulator of Nagravision 2 CAM
(all are implemented: AU key, PPV,... = like a true CAM)

[dvrhax]

I did do some searching but couldn't find anything pertainent. Although maybe I'm not asking the right questions when I search. Any help here would be appreciated.

I apologize that beyond manipulation of TS files for creating DVDs I'm pretty much a novice and I'm not real clear with the reference to Nagrivision or the Cam and how that applies to my situtation. I would like to stress and maybe I hadn't made this clear but I pay for my Dish Network service as well as HBO and I'm not trying to hack into the signal that comes down from the satelite . The problem isn't watching HBO live or watching it recorded through my Dish Network DVR. The problem comes when I transfer the TS files from my DVR hard drive to my computer and then try and manipulate it, demux, encoded etc, Which until recently wasn't an issue when Dish Network implemented encryption that to my understanding was forced on them from HBO.

I'll some searching on DCW keys and how that can possibly be used to help my situation.

Thanks for all your help

[stars]

Hi..

Do you hava a smartcard or only a reciverbox with the hdd inside.

If you only have a reciverbox and you got it from Dish network
its most likely that they have downloaded a new firmware into your box. Many compaies set there boxes to automatic download from a certain transponder in the middel of the night. In this way you have the decryption codes and the all the multimedia functions that the company provides...

Most likely is the signal encrypted when its saved on your hdd.

The transmitted signal from the satellite havent change encryption. People with recievers which dont come from Dish Network can still record the tv programs. I am not abel to check this my selfe because I dont live in the sats foot print area.

So If you can change the firmware of your box it may work, but probely not because, you must update the keys. But updating the keys and downloading a new firmware is a differnt thing.

Who knows ????

This encryption on the hdd isnt a new thing many recievers have it.....

By the way have you tried projectx for the demuxing process (requiers java runtime)...

Maybe this is not answer to your problem but Its just some thoughts. I have been into the sat decryption for over 10 years.


regards stars....