----> CCE Crash. The quest continues <----

[dvd2svcd]

Hi All,

I have created a new mail account for all you unfortunate people who has the CCE Crash/Freeze. If you "subscribe" to this mailbox I will mail you things to test and suggestions on possible solutions.
However, to avoid this mailbox to be cluttered with unimportant mails, there's a few guidelines:

1. Your crash must happen when you're doing a multipass of 3 or more passes.
2. When you send the initial mail, make a bugreport from the log tab and attach only the sysinfo.txt (you might zip it, but that is not required). And in the mail also describe how you experience the crash.
3. You must be willing to give me feedbacks on the tests I request of you.
4. You must have a fairly good experience with computers. I don't have patience to explain every test in every detail.
5. The crash/freeze must be reproducible, meaning that is CCE sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't don't mail me. I have to have users where CCE fails everytime.

If the above 5 points applies to you then mail me here (ccecrash@notrace.dk)

[dvd2svcd]

Ok guys and girls, I have made a dvd2svcd 1.0.6 build 1 Pre 2 for you. So all that have had CCE crashes please download this version.

Because I want to be sure that you are using the exact same program versions that I use, I only offer the Bundle here. If you have installed an older bundle version, then just install this as usual. If you only have ever used the zip file, I suggest that you install this bundle in a new folder of your choice. The only file that will be overwritten is the avisynth.dll in your system folder.

I highly recommend that you start a completely new conversion, because as you can see in the readme file I found a bug in my internal ripping. So either use Internal or vStrip. If you use any other ripper I have to disregard your bug report, because I cannot be absolutely sure that all rippers works properly.

Now if CCE still crashes, I would like you to do this:
1. Reboot your computer
2. Start CCE manually
3. Load the ECL file
4. Hit encode, and see if CCE finishes this time.

If CCE crashes with dvd2svcd running and the above method works, it means that I still have issues to be solved (sigh).

You might wonder why I haven't solved this yet, but it's very difficult for me to debug a problem that I cannot provoke on my own computers. So I have to rely on you and your reports.

Here's the Bundle (http://212.88.77.140/DVD2SVCD_1.0.6_Setup-Build_1-Pre_2.exe)

[Cyber2010]

i was one of the people who always had a freeze. But next happend. I did put my ghostfile back on de computer, witch was a clean instal without any ripping tools etc. (i remember first time i started i installed also alot of other program's not used by dvd2svcd and did have problems installing them good, or get them working good)

Then i installed latest version of dvd2svcd and the cce program. Now 3 nights later, 3 movies are converted perfectly, no freezes at all anymore. My bitrates are high, 2531 max, 2300 av and 2000 min. Also use 5 pass. So maybe... it's not a memorie problem ( i have tried several things incl. remove banks from my mb ) but a registry problem with other programs, or with left data in the registry from older versions of the dll?... dono.. but my comp stayed the same, only clean instal, and my freeze's are gone...

Thnx for all support.

[Asahi]

I completed a 3 pass copy last night with the batch of programs you posted here.
It took 9 hours, speed = 0.736

I'm using:
P4 2Ghz
384MB RDRAM
Intel D850GB mobo
Pagefile = 576MB

I don't know if this is a bit slow as I am a newbie (any advice would be apprieciated about this) and previously I could only use 1 pass without it freezing.

[JLR2000]

First of all, just a warning...I'm a newbie. I have been trying to use DVD2SVCD for a couple of weeks now with no luck. After reading through the tutorials and this forum, I believe I am getting the same issue mentioned here regarding CCE crashes. I am using your latest bundle (.6) and the avisynth dll you recommended. I got the crash and followed the above post's instructions regarding rebooting and attempting to use the standalone 2.5 encoder to finish the encoding. It finished without any crashes at about .434 speed average. I only chose 2 small chapters but it took quite some time. Here's some detail about my setup:
1.4 ghz AMD Thunderbird
512 Generic RAM (not DDR)
Asus MB I think.
80 gig HD, Western Digital 7200 rpm
Running Win XP Pro

I will continue to watch these forums for more info or ideas, just wanted to share the info I had. Thanks so much DVD2SVCD, the program seems to be great for those who have success with it. Hoping to get it running myself with everyone's posts/help. Let me know if more info would be helpful.

[xrv1138]

latest 2 runs completed
emailed the requested files
running recovery method on 2 machines now

[EMonty]

Hi,

Tried the new build, until CCE everything went fine, just before the muxing part it says file not found. Reinstalled the previous build, no problemos, weird :confused:

*** DVD2SVCD i sent you the IFO etc.

[Clixo]

i also tried the new beta ver and here is my repor: the first tim same prob as emonty said " file not found " ( mp2 )the new soft didnt save the mp2 file. then unistalled dvd2svcd reinstaled again and now it works without a single prob. also tested new feature with an avi and it works just fine. thanks to DVD2SVCD

[EMonty]

Hi,
Uninstalled the bundle, still file not found :(
The mp2 file is made, so are all the others

[gerti67]

Same here,

installed 1.0.6 Build 1 Pre 2 and right after CCE finished encoding a tiny little Message-Box appears and only says "File not found."

I tried everything from reinstalling the 1.0.6, checking for corrupt download of the bundle, setting all filepaths again, but nothing helped. (1.0.5 Build 4 works perfect on the same PC.) And the mp2 file is there, so i don't know what file isn't found.

[pinkybis]

Here too:

Installed 1.0.6 Build 1 Pre 2 and right after CCE finished encoding just when he says "Video Encoding finished" in the log window, a tiny little Message-Box appears and only says "File not found."

I tried everything from reinstalling the 1.0.6, but nothing helped. (1.0.5 Build 4 works perfect on the same PC. and when Video encoding is finished run #9 test and continue) And the mp2 file is there, so i don't know what file isn't found.

Athlon 900
256 Kb

Sorry for my poor english.

[equilibrium]

I have the same issue I have just finished encoding hannibal without a crash and then it said file not found.

You cannot use crash recovery because even though the mpv and vaf are there it thinks it needs to start the encoding again.

DVD2SVD can you confirm what the next process would normally be so that I can do it manually.

[mrfixit]

I'm getting the same "File Not Found" error. Going to reinstall and run again

[EMonty]

Hi,

Deleted everything, tried another computer, same problemos: error message file not found,:confused:

[dvd2svcd]

Sorry about the "File not found" error. It happens if you don't use subtitles. I has been fixed.

But back to the CCE issue, I want to explain all the issues I have discovered the past few days, all of which can explain why so many users have CRC errors or CCE Crashes.

1. Yesterday I discovered that my internal ripping was flaw, the last block in the last vob file ripped would contain garbage. So I fixed that and compared it to the results of both vStrip and SmartRipper and they are now identical. But, this garbage of the last block can explain why people would get CRC errors. Also if you've used the CRC patcher, CCE could freeze.

2. When ripping subtitles I used to use a win32 command called CreatePalette. Now, that is in a way ok, the thing that isn't ok is that I forgot to release the Palette. This would produce the error "Incorrect Parameter" when using w98 and perhaps also win me. The "Incorrect Parameter" in this instance is equal to "No More free system resources". Windows 2000/XP however has a much better resource control and would not (as far as I have tested) produce this error, but it would consume memory and could have had an effect on CCE.

3. When CCE is running, dvd2svcd runs through all the active windows currently running. This I do to see if and how far CCE had come. The way I did this was probably not too bright. I added all the active windows into a Dynamic List, which I then examine and release. This meant that each second dvd2svcd would consume some memory (not much but some) and release it again (no memory loss), but the fact that the amount of memory was consumed and then released over and over again might also have given CCE problems, especially when changing between passes.

4. Sometime ago, I discovered that CCE had problems when using drag'n'drop on it, however, there was a lot of users who wanted the possibility to "Lock The Computer" (w2k) or Fast User Switching (xp), so I took the drag'n'drop a step further in the last release. This it seems was not wise (sorry). So, the last two days I have been trying to manipulate CCE with windows commands in a way so that you still would be able to "lock" or "switch" and still be sure that CCE was running. Today I succeded, and I actually succeded in a way so that the execution should still be as safe as it was before. However, it means tha the "Open File" and "Save File" windows will popup again, so be a little careful when CCE is about to execute.

5. Finally, it is known that CCE has some CRC issues on Athlon computers (just ask ixi or Tsunami), so if you do get CRC errors in CCE but are able to continue by pressing OK, I suggest that you try installing the CRC patch, but only if all else fails.


I am currently testing 1.0.6 build 1 on 6 computers. One with Windows 98, three with Windows 2000 Pro (danish) (1 athlon, 1 fast Pentium and 1 slow), one Windows XP Pro (danish) connected to a Domain LAN, one Windows XP (english) without LAN (testing "fast user swicth")

So if the above 6 computers complete without problems (and I hope they do, otherwise I might get in trouble with the boss) I will release 1.0.6 build 1.


I hope the above explains a bit of what I have been doing the last 2-3 days fulltime (All day when I actually should be working and at all night when I actually should take care of the family).

[EMonty]

Man,

You are too good to be true!!!, but please go take care of your family, life is too short

cheers

[equilibrium]

DVD2SVD thanks for all the great work.

Just one thing, you say that it happens when not ripping with subtitles and is fixed but could you give an idea of how we could manually finish these projects as you havn't released the new version yet and I've got all the files sitting there waiting to finish and crash recovery doesn't seem to be designed to recover beyond the CCE phase.

THX.

[dvd2svcd]

Sorry, no workaround. You have to cross your fingers and hope that all of my 6 computers finishes ok.

[EMonty]

DVD2SVCD,

Good luck with the 6 computers, i have one thing that might be of interest for the cce crash stuff: When i use CCE standalone it happens sometimes with large avi's (from my digital camera)that it freezes or crashes...:( with DVD2SVCD i never had that problem :p

hope it goes through the test

thanxs

[xrv1138]

dvd2svcd
thanks again for all of your support
i hope the encodes go well
can you advise if you are encoding with a long film ?
cheers

[dvd2svcd]

I am encoding the following movies:

1. Pearl Harbor 174 mins. (PAL, 1 AC3 audio, Permanent Subs)
2. Dinosaur 79 mins. (PAL, 2 AC3 audio, CVD Subs)
3. Scary Movie 2 (PAL, 1 AC3 audio, SVCD Subs)
4. Swan Princess 80 mins.(Disney Cartoon) (PAL, 2 MPA audio, no subs )
5. Sakura Diaries 65 mins.(Anime,IVTC, 1 audio, Permanent Subs) (NTSC)
6. Terminator 2 155 mins. (NTSC, 1 AC3 audio, SVCD Subs)

The above should cover a fairly good range of different movietypes.

[Schultz]

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
I am encoding the following movies:

5. Sakura Diaries 65 mins.(Anime,IVTC, 1 audio, Permanent Subs) (NTSC)



This your own personally collection? But hopefully they all finish without a problem.. can't wait for next release. Even though i never had this problem with dvd2svcd i do hope it gets fixed for all those that do have it.

[saber]

As someone else has said, man, you´re too good to be truth. Thanks again.
I´m afraid that someday I´ll get the bill on the mail... ;)

[Coentjo]

Yesterday I've "managed" to get CCE working.

After doing some tests with dvd2svcd (all resulting in a freeze)I installed Fritz 7 (which is a chess program), restarted my PC as requested by the installer, played a game of chess (and lost of course).

Then I decided to try CCE once more. So I started CCE, loaded the .ecl project file, pressed encode. Instead of a freeze CCE now presented a "Video checksum error" (I'm not sure about exact text of the message but clearly it's the CCE error thing). I then started dvd2svcd again and started onde of my previous tests (now without the ripping). After creating the .vaf file CCE started, without freeze, with the normal encoding. Hopefully, when I'm home from work, CCE will have completed successfully.

@DVD2SVCD: Keep up the good work!

[dvd2svcd]

Some good and bad news:

1. Pearl Harbor - Still going
2. Dinosaur - Froze :(
3. Scary Movie 2 - Froze :mad:
4. Swan Princess - No problems
5. Sakura Diaries - No problems
6. Terminator 2 - Still going


So, there is still some issues to be solved. Anyway, for those of you who'd like to continue trying download this build:

1.0.6 Build 1 Pre 7 (http://212.88.77.140/DVD2SVCD_1.0.6_Setup-Build_1-Pre_7.exe)

Edit
@EMonty: I took the liberty to delete the posts, since they were irrelevant

[xrv1138]

dvd2svcd
thanks for the update
at least those of us that get freezes can doubt our own software installations a little less...
do you still want emails sent to you regarding cce crashes
so that you can give us testing to be done for you ?

[SteveV]

Thanks for the new build
I am testing it with a trailer from armageddon dvd now.
Cant get Avi2svcd working though audio doesnt get extracted from the source 0 byte file and a 44 byte file.
After the encoding of the avi an error pops up that it cant read the audio file and thats it.

[equilibrium]

DVD2SVD will build 7 in the link above enable me to pick up on my completed .mpv file and finish the job. ( i have it all sitting there from when there was the issue yesterday with movie without subtitles)

Cheers

Equilibrium

[Slick]

@equilibrium

Didnt Dvd2svcd answer this question yesterday following your first post on this subject?;)

[dvd2svcd]

Damn, damn, damn. One of my friends just tested Pre 7 and he still gets the "Incorrect Parameter" error. He has agreed that I can borrow his computer so that I can debug on it. I just wanted to tell you this so you wouldn't be surprised if you got this error (it still seems to be only on win98). But this time there was still 80% system resources left, so those two things apparently didn't have anything to do with each other.

[JLR2000]

Hang in there DVD2SVCD!! Thanks so much for all your efforts, we really do appreciate it!:rolleyes:

[xrv1138]

dvd2svcd
yes - hang in there ! the program is such a well designed tool.

for your information i have used the pre 7 to complete gladiator but dropped down from 4 pass vbr (in which it always crashed as per my emails to you) to 3 pass with higher set bitrates than default.
i was fairly sure this would work anyway, which it did, but just thought id let u know that ive given up on trying this disk in a 4 pass.
good luck with your present bug hunting, if there is any testing you need done let us know :)

[itimpi]

First the good news in that I can report that with the 1.0.6 builds I have so far had no freezes (previously I always got freezes with multi-pass VBR). I have so far successfully encoded the following films which previously all failed for me:
- The Mummy (NTSC->PAL)
- The Mummy Returns (NTSC->PAL)
- Fifth Element (NTSC->PAL)
- Manon Des Sources (with Subtitles)
- Shrek

I tried to use the Pre 7 build to complete the processing of a film I did with the Pre2 build (i.e. go into the Muxing/Cutting stage). That run had earlier completed CCE processing and then failed with the "File not found" error (as I was not doing the sub-titles). When I try and continue using Crash Recovery I only get offered the option to restart at the video encoding stage. However that has completed OK and as it is the most time consuming part I would rather not repeat it. What do I need to do to move into the next stage?

[Slick]

Originally posted by itimpi
I tried to use the Pre 7 build to complete the processing of a film I did with the Pre2 build (i.e. go into the Muxing/Cutting stage). That run had earlier completed CCE processing and then failed with the "File not found" error (as I was not doing the sub-titles). When I try and continue using Crash Recovery I only get offered the option to restart at the video encoding stage. However that has completed OK and as it is the most time consuming part I would rather not repeat it. What do I need to do to move into the next stage?

equilibrium has asked the same question twice in this thread.
Dvd2svd replied to the first occaision stating:-
(Sorry, no workaround. You have to cross your fingers and hope that all of my 6 computers finishes ok.)

[Labersack]

@itimpi
I had the same problem and did the following:

I edit the dvd2svcd project file.d2s.
I set the line with "Project Position="
to "Project Position=31"

After this I load the file in crashrecovery and can continue with muxing and cutting.

Be careful, setting to 31 will skip some steps, e.g. pulldown, which I don't need, but maybe you do.

You can increase the Project Position to the next value, but the first time I did this it deleted my cce-encoded...mpv. So set this file first to read-only if ou want to experiment.

[itimpi]

equilibrium has asked the same question twice in this thread.
Dvd2svd replied to the first occaision stating:-
(Sorry, no workaround. You have to cross your fingers and hope that all of my 6 computers finishes ok.)

I had interpreted the reply to mean that there was not work-around for the "File not Found" message rather than not being able to do Crash Recovery when the next build became available that fixed that particular problem.

I will experiment as some others have suggested to see if I can get anywhere without re-doing the CCE encode. If not it is back to doing them again - but at least this time with confidence they will finish.

[mrbass]

1.0.6 build 1 pre 7 bundle was a success for me with Fast and Furious 16:9 NTSC vbr 4 pass.

[EMonty]

1.06 build 1 pre 7 was also a success on me:

1. In the shadows
2. The insider
3. The mexican.

GREAT JOB DONE:D

[saber]

I also succeded in Shrek, Strange Days and Armageddon.
(DVD2SVCD, you the man!)

[svcdsrcool]

After SO many crashes in CCE, I have now done about 12 movies flawlessly with this beta release. Whatever has been changed, thank you, it works for me

[Flinch]

I still have problems with Shrek/PAL. cce freezes after the first pass. when i restart my box after that and start cce-encoding manually it also freezes. i also tried different dvd-ripper:smartripper, vstrip and the internal routines. then i saw that fitcd has some "cce-optimizing" in his example-avs-file. then i used these "cce-optimized" settings and modified the avs-file as part of the cce-encoding. with this modification cce freezed after the second pass. i had a max.bitrate of 2400 and a max.average bitrate of 2100.

i ripped other dvds without any problems so it's not a total malfunction of neither dvd2svcd nor cce.


Flinch

[dvd2svcd]

SUCCESS!!! As you could see in a former post of mine I had still issues with CCE crashing in "Dinosaur" and "Scary Movie 2". I had for test reasons installed the trial from Doom9's page and IT IS LIKELY TO GIVE YOU CCE CRASHES, don't ask me why. I tried to install the full version of CCE and NO MORE FREEZES. So I think that probably is the last issue with CCE Happy days :) (I hope).

I only have one thing to say, see if you can find a place where to "Try Me" ;)

BTW, I wanna strecth that this is NOT doom9's problem! It is the right trial version of CCE on his download page! Most likely the problem is the logo in the trial version.

EDIT:

I should have said "no more freezes HERE", but that doesn't mean that you wont get freezes on your computer.

[mrbass]

ok ...got it...it's how the person did something to CCE....ignore my post on the AVI2SVCD thread about what do you mean.

[Mortal]

One pass VBR has worked for me now, let's see what 3 pass does.
Thx to DVD2SVCD for that great work of yours.

[equilibrium]

Sorry to burst your bubble DVD2SVD but my version is already cracked and with pre 7 I am freezing on SW Episode 1 during the first of 3 passes !

Fresh XP rebuild and clean pre 7 install

[gldblade]

>Sorry to burst your bubble DVD2SVD but my version is already cracked

I think DVD2SVCD means whether or not your version was the full version in the first place, instead of a cracked version.

If this is true, then I guess it's "too bad" for people unwilling/unable to shell out $4000.

[equilibrium]

gldblade - I don't wish to break the rules of this forum. Suffice it to say that the advise that DVD2SVD gives re links in his last post is exactly what I had previuosly already done myself. So my post still stands, sorry.

[gldblade]

Maybe I'm missing something here... Give me five minutes to "Try me" and I'll report back.

*EDIT*
Ah. I see what you mean. Well... maybe it's a slightly different version of the demo that actually works with DVD2SVCD. Though I don't know if the version doom9 has is different. Have you tried this one yet? I can't tell from your post.

Ok, probably not, but I won't find out until I try and I can't try until something else I'm running finishes. Or maybe DVD2SVCD will enlighten us.

[dvd2svcd]

I don't think I can do anything else than I have already done. Those of you who still have freezes in CCE, sorry, but I can't help you any further. Only thing you can try if you haven't done so, is use Internal Ripping routines, DON'T USE SMARTRIPPER or any pre ripped vob files from dvd2svcd.

So, burst my bubble or not, this is the end of my CCE research for now, unless some hard facts about how to solve the last problems is being broght to me.

[DVDHack]

Hmm.. Perhaps I'm a bit thick, perhaps I just haven't grasped the search engines I use but I can't find a relavent "Try Me" site.

Anyone able to offer any assistance??

Thanks very much

[Slick]

took me 5 mins to suss it out. and "I am thick" :D
plain as the nose on your face. just don't look too far :p
I just wish someone would have made it that easy for me when i was looking for it. :(



@Dvd2svcd
thanks for all your help & trouble, it's a cracking program.
I can only guess at the amount of hours you must have put in lately. you deserve a good break & a lot of donations. ;)

thanks again

Slick

[DVDHack]

Thanks Slick....

Now I feel pretty stupid !!! Not that unusually really.

Thanks again.

[DVDHack]

I thought we needed the full version not the latin flavour. Trying gives me the latin flavour not the full.

[Dropbear]

personally I'm confused between the Spanish and the "try me" version.


just which version do you claim 'solves' your problems DVD2SVCD?

[dvd2svcd]

@Dropbear: I don't claim anything. All I say is that the Trial version isn't good as it might freeze, it did for me. And besides, who on earth said that there is any difference between the two versions you mention?

[markrb]

I know from looking for this months ago that there are different builds of CCE, even though all are 2.50. I can't remember where or how I came across this info, but I do know it to be true.

I just started having CCE lockups two days ago. I ripped and encoded Gladiator just fine, but I had audio issues and wanted to encode again at a different bitrate to see if that was the problem. On the second, third and fourth attempts it locked at different points in CCE. I already had the version DVD2SVCD pointed to, but I figured I would get it and install it again just in case. Along with doing that I installed pre_7 too. Well I finally got an encode to finish again with Gladiator with the original riped VOB files.
Now it's off to see if I still have audio issues.

Mark

[waldok]

Well, I'm the happiest man in the world.:)
Not that I ever had any problem with CCE, it always worked like a charm...:p
But now that the CCE quest is over, the great DVD2SVCD will be able to put all his wisdom and energy in AVI2SVCD
:D
Cause I tried pre7 yesterday and it looks GREAT on the AVI side!

Waldok :cool:
(Too many smileys, man, behave !)

[Spark]

Hi there!

I still got probs with CCE v2.50, however i guess that the discussion has ended by know, so I'll try not bother you anymore with that issue dvd2svcd.

Well, i'll try anything to se if i can make it work, therefore I'm very interrested in >>* - Pre 7 << (or any version newer).

One funny thing i've noticed is when CCE crashed on my box (WinXP on an 1800XP) at 39% of Cast Away (PAL 2,4) in 5pass VBR and i left for some hours and closed CCE, dvd2svcd went on and actually finished the movie succesfully with 3 images on my harddrive.. with perm subs etc etc everything allright! However, I have never made it to the end without CCE crashing for me (enc. in 3 - 5 pass VBR).

I guess i bothered you anyway dvd2svcd - so just ignore the post if you find it obsolete! And thanx for your time and hard work, benefitting your fellow Danes.

Sincerely Spark :)

[mkanar]

Interesting! I usually don't have problems but I am right now with Cast Away NTSC. With 1.0.5 build 4 it would get stuck at 6% (tried twice anyway) and with 1.0.6 build 1 pre 7 it got stuck at 36 and 12 percent respectively.

[nfl2k2]

I'm still getting freezes with CCE. Someone said there are different versions of CCE? When I try to download the version 2.5 off this site it doesn't work. Could someone (who got dvd2svcd to work) send me their CCE2.5 setup demo file so I can test it out? thanks. kyle_burr12@hotmail.com

[equilibrium]

Hi, I won't see any response to this for a while as I'm about to give things another run, but I have an idea that DVD2SVD could clarify please.

The only version that I didn't get freezes was the one which had the subtitles issue. However, as well as that run being the first one I had done with the 'Full' urhum! version of CCE, I was also using the second version a avisynth that you posted in one of the threads.

This weekend I did a total XP rebuild and therefore a fresh install with pre 7 and 'full' CCE. I then was freezing again.

I have just noticed that the version of avisynth from my clean pre 7 install is dated 2/1/02 were as the version from that thread is dated 5/1/02.

I am now doing a run with pre 7, full CCE and the 5/1/02 avisynth slapped over the top.

Do you think I may be onto something? did your successfull runs have the later avisynth? If so it maybe worth doing a pre 8 for ppl with that version in it.

Cheers

Equilibrium

[DVDHack]

I am still confused. It seems that DVD2SVCD has found most of the problems go away when he uses the full version of CCE, this version is referred to under the 'Try Me' button on a certain homepage.

All that I would like to know is is that the version that resolved the problems for DVD2SVCD during his tests and how can we all make sure that we have the correct version referred to by DVD2SVCD - it seems to me to be the Spanish version that everyone is using and not the truly full version.

Please clarify for everyone what is the full version referred to ? Perhaps we can make this a sticky so everyone can go there and work from a common base.

Thanks very much

[dvd2svcd]

The two versions is the exact same version. But the spanish is unavailable. The only version I said that doesn't work is THE TRIAL VERSION, that is the version with the CCE Logo in the movie. But mostly the problems for CCE was solved in dvd2svcd as I have describe in this post:

http://rilanparty.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=65473#post65473

Now EVERYBODY, please read that post, before you make me repeat myself. I have put a whole lot of work into solving these problems and I believe that I have solved most of them. IF you still get freezes I can only suggest you test your hardware (especially memory). If you just read all the posts in this thread you will see that after I release Pre 7 many users have had success with it.

I will stop here for now, until somebody has something CONCRETE to tell me, instead of "nah, nah it still doesn't work".

[Dropbear]

I will stop here for now, until somebody has something CONCRETE to tell me, instead of "nah, nah it still doesn't work".


Without being rude, I would have thought "it still doesnt work" IS being concrete.

I hear what you say about memory etc, but it's very suspicious when CCE fails predominately at the change of passes (ie in multiples of 20% on a 5 pass VBR).

Just on that - are the rumours true that CCE memory usage SPIKES quite considerably at the change of passes?

[dvd2svcd]

Sorry, end of communication.


Edit:
Who locked this thread ?

[Mozart]

I don't know.

[dvd2svcd]

Well, it doesn't matter. So, whoever closed this thread, don't do it again. I will close it and unstick when the time comes.

[mkanar]

To start, I realize that I haven't yet run DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 1. I will get there soon but I'm simply trying not to change to many variables at once.

My latest data regarding my CCE freezing:

System:
WinXP w/fast user switching
Dual Pentium ]I[ 933 MHz / Intel i840 chipset
512 MB Dual-Channel RAMBUS PC800

Encoding a backup of Cast Away NTSC, originally ripped with smart-ripper months ago and successfully converted to SVCD with DVD2SVCD at that time. Using 4 passes.

DVD2SVCD 1.0.5 build 4-1st run: CCE Frozen at 6%
DVD2SVCD 1.0.5 build 4-2nd run: CCE Frozen at 6%
DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 1 pre7-1st run: CCE Frozen at 12%
DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 1 pre7-2nd run: CCE Frozen at 36%
Manual Run with Modified Options: PASS

When CCE was frozen at 36%, I hit the CCE 'cancel' button and closed DVD2SVCD. I think started looking at all of the encoding properties but I made no changes. I then clicked on the 'options' menu and hit output. I hadn't ever used the CCE logfile so I decided to turn it on. Next, I clicked on the 'Misc' tab and unclicked 'Try decoding in 32-bit RGB format.' After hitting okay I attempted to again right-click on the movie and select 'edit' at which time CCE disappeared and closed without any crash. I reloaded CCE and loaded up the .ECL file that DVD2SVCD had created. The 'try decoding in 32-bit RGB format' and logfile options that I had set are apparently persistant and were still set. I then hit 'encode' and the entire thing encoded without problem.

FYI: Since the CCE log and YUY2/RGB settings persist when terminating and starting up CCE, they are still set with logging and YUY2 as 'true' and RGB as 'false', just like they were when the encoding process completed successfully for me when I manually ran CCE with the .ECL file generated from DVD2SVCD.

UPDATE: 1/16/02; 2AM Universal Time

DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 1 pre7-3rd run: PASS

I have now set CCE 2.50 'log' and 'RGB' options back to their original values and I am running DVD2SVCD again.

DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 1 pre7-4th run: PASS

Conclusion: WTF!

Thanks!
MKanar

PS: AVISynth plus CCE scale at about 55-62% over two processors (to bad AVISynth doesn't use one thread to pre-fetch and another for everything else, but ohwell) but when CCE is frozen it scales upto about 95% over the two processors.

[Coentjo]

I've just tried DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 1 (after uninstalling the pre 7). Unfortunately CCE freezes after creating the .vaf file. Since release DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 1 pre 7 did work I'm going to retry that version.

[equilibrium]

The one thing that seems consistent throughout all of the cce freeze problems in the new year, is that everyone seems to have said that thay have never had this issue in older versions of DVD2SVD.

Could someone comment on the functionality that would be lost from DVD2SVD by switching back to a version that pre-dates these issues.

I myself am new to this very usefull program so I do not have a version that pre-dates the probs.

[Spark]

Coentjo: more or less the same happened here! I almost made it to the end with 1.0.6 b1 pre 7 (and the newest avisynth from videotools.*), but with 1.0.6 b1 it froze 1% in the mpv encoding :(
Anyone who know the bigger diff. between the two "versions"?

Take care
/Spark

[nfl2k2]

equilibrium I noticed that too. My dvd2svcd worked in september through november. then I took a svcd encoding break through december, updated my RAM up to 640mb then downloaded 1.0.5 build 2 and CCE hasn't worked on 2pass+ since then. Just now I tried the newest version 1.0.6 build 1 with Joe Dirt. I had one pass vbr, q factor at 60. everything worked fine until svcd creation got done. I ended up with one 798mb bin file and a 1.47mb bin file. the mpeg it made wouldn't play in powerdvd (something about the resolution not being 800x600). I'm trying 1.0.6 build 1 with 4 pass tonight.

[cephraim]

I went back to 1.0.4 build 2.
Last known to work well for me.
Working great.

Has anyone found one more recent that gets through CCE consistently?

[nfl2k2]

This is why CCE has been failing me lately... my uncle has me download songs for him to make him CD's (he likes old hard to find stuff that you cant find anywhere). so I put 15 songs on download during the night (i gota 56k):mad: ) maybe once per week. my parents dont' like it that the phone lines are tied up until 11 am when I get up so I installed this thing that automatically shuts down your computer at a certain time so the internet would disconnect when my PC shuts down(I set it to 5 am). I just remembered I had the program set to shutdown my pc every single day at 5 am. So while CCE was doing it's business my computer was trying to shut down right in the middle of encoding. :rolleyes:

I hope you people that are still having CCE problems find an easy way to fix your problem. back to encoding...

[saber]

1.0.6 build 1 pre 7 and the the 1.0.6 final worked perfectly for me. Just fine. No problemo at all.
Tks again DVD2SVCD. You must love us all to work so hard...

[xrv1138]

still having cce freezes with movies > 2 hrs in 4 pass vbr
the long movies work fine with 1 pass vbr
and also work if i adjust the bitrate higher than default
2 machines
1 piii, 1 athlon
produce from spain
and latest build
think i might just stick to adjusted bitrates/1 pass high quality for long movies...

[wludwig]

Thank god, there´s someone else with the SHREK-problem. My CCE always freezes at exactly 48% in the second run. I will try another movie to see, if the rest is running.

[ruok]

Hi,

DVD2SVCD - I can understand your frustration with this topic. Noone doubts that you've put a lot of effort into helping us with the issue. I (among many others that I see here) are EXTREMELY grateful for all the time and effort you've put in. I hope the donations reflect everyone's appreciation of your time spent - personally, I think you deserve it (* hint, hint folks *).

What we are trying to do is to help solve the problem - and sometimes "me too" answers can be frustrating. I suspect that the main problem is the lack of ability to diagnose a pattern of the problems. I have some thoughts on this issue that may help...

* From the polls, we can see both AMD and Intel processors have problems - although there seem to be more AMD processors than Intel. However, that may be because AMD gives better bang for buck these days.

When having problems :-

* What movie and region are you encoding?

* What version(s) of DVD2SVCD have you tested this on?

* What changes did you make from DVD2SVCD's default settings? (audio, min/max/avg bitrate etc.)

* Are you willing to try different settings on a DVD to test combinations that may/may not work?

DVD2SVCD, I own the original Shrek Region 4 (for example, it's one of the movies that crashes on me and others consistently) - so I can encode this as many times as you like. However, if we can coordinate this then we will have a better chance at solving the problem.

Thoughts????


RUOK
PS Let me know if you're interested in my above comments.
PPS My customisations include
a) Setting all bitrate CD sizes to 800, audio to 160 and don't downsample audio to 44.1khz

[mkanar]

ruok:

Do you have more than one system to test that DVD on? It seems that with the same OS, the same version of AVISynth, the same version of DVD2SVCD, and the same rip, results can vary as seen in my post above.

[dvd2svcd]

Here's a funny little something I have noted too. It seems that the two test movies I have crash when a scene is black and white. Like The end credits, black background and white text. Anybody else noted that?

[ruok]

mkanar:

Thanks for the info... I missed your comment previously - my apologies for that.

I have two systems - but one is a PII-400 - which is reported as not working with CCE.

So far my results have been 100% predictable (except for Windows XP - which was promptly removed for its lack of reliability with my hardware).

One thing in our advantage is several people have encoded Shrek Region 4 and it has crashed in the same place for many of us (i've seen several references in different discussions). Although this may not solve all problems we may be able to isolate some problems. See my comment below to DVD2SVCD for a hint on how you may be able to isolate your problem.

DVD2SVCD:
Yes, I have noticed what you say - the scenes that have crashed (Shrek and Run Lola Run) both crashed at points that where they were either just starting or finishing. I am sure that Shrek was almost (if not all) black and white at the point where the crash occurred. Run Lola Run I can't be sure about - but the opening few minutes appeared to be all gray scale or black and white. Your comments may be on the mark.

Something I could try is to rip the last chapter of Shrek again (where the crash occurs) and try that by itself. This may help isolate the problem. It'll take me a few days to get onto this but I will report back my findings - hopefully by the end of the weekend.

Hope this helps


RUOK

[Fantastic]

Until now I only got that CCE-freezing-problem with the movie Shrek (PAL, German). The problem always occurs at 48% of video encoding. I tried DVD2SVCD 1.0.5 Build 4, 1.0.6. Build 1 Pre 2, 1.0.6. Build 1 Pre 7 and 1.0.6. Build 1 (final) and I also tried the avisynth.dll that is offered separatly on the dvd2svcd-side - no help. It happens even if I try 2 pass vbr or single-pass-vbr. Until now I tried to encode it (each time with different parameters) about 10 times - no success. As far as I could tell you right now the problem is reproduceable.

I tried the cce-trial-version from vcdspain and the "try me"-one. From the postings above I was not quite sure if there is supposed to be a difference between those two versions or not (I was wondering why the "try me"-one was suddenly offered when the cce-freezing-problem was discussed), so I thought it would be worth a "try me". But both versions have the freezing-problem, so I think there is definitly no difference (or at least no difference concerning our problem).

As I could see from other postings, the problem does not depend on the processor you use (even though owners of AMD processor might report the problem more often - maybe we have more of them using dvd2svcd ?) and it does definitly not depend on the operating-system (Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP). Btw: I am using Windows XP Pro on an AMD 1333 (512 MB DDR-Ram).

There is just one elementary question for me that - until now - has not been answered: Does this problem occure on older versions of dvd2svcd ? Because if "not" then the problem has to do with some changes that were made in dvd2svcd and we have a point to start with our search (maybe the change in the keystroke-control or something). If "yes" then there must be something new about the recent movies we encode, because nobody reported this cce-freezing-problem in former times (at least not so many people).

Another remarkable thing is that a lot of people have that problem and another lot of peaople don´t (even though I am not quite sure if they all tried the same movies - maybe some of the "lucky-ones" just did not find out until now that in fact they do have the same problem ?). So there might also be something about the system-configuration (hardware or software) you use. I am not quiete sure which and how many information were reported to the autor including the system-configuration, but maybe it would be worth to start a different thread (this one is quite to long right now) where everybody just can post his system-configuration (hardware and software) with the final comment if he succeded one of the "problem-movies" (e.g. Shrek) or not. After a few postings it could be that we find a common level (maybe it´s all people that are using DDR-Ram or something).

Btw: I posted the cce-freezing-problem in the ultimate-board and I got the answer of someone, who has the original full-version of cce for buisiness reasons telling me that it also crashes on his machine. If so we should definitly continue our search for a solution.

Have fun

Fantastic

[dvd2svcd]

It is very easy to test if the problem is with dvd2svcd:

1. Do as usual with dvd2svcd, except that you use vStrip as the ripper.
2. When CCE start stop dvd2svcd and stop CCE.
3. Do not delete anything in the folder
4. Now, reboot your computer (to be sure it's clean)
5. Start DVD2AVI, load the vob files and save the project, using the same filename as dvd2svcd did.
5. Start CCE, load the ECL file and hit encode.


Note, if you're doing a NTSC movie, select force film in dvd2avi.

If CCE still freezes then the problem is not with dvd2svcd, but it can be some of the following:

- mpeg2dec.dll, which is the d2v file reader and decoder.
- avisynth.dll, which is the frameserver
- CCE, which is the encoder
- Your hardware, memory, CPU and so on.

Currently I am debugging mpeg2dec and avisynth.

[dvd2svcd]

So, here's another little something I found out (actually I did some time ago). Some of you might remember that I said that the minimum difference should be about 120 between the avg. bitrate and the max. bitrate. Well 120 is apparently not alway enough.

Here's some background info:

When an encoder encodes black or dark scenes it uses the bitrate very extensively. So, I took one of the movies which I have problems with and just ripped the end credits chapter (which is black and white, mostly black). I then started the endcoing. And sure enough it started to freeze, at a pretty narrow but still random range of frames. I then went into the "Advanced Settings" in CCE (the advanced button left of the number of passes), and sure enough in the range of where I had the freezes the bitrate was very high, so high that it scrabe the Max. Bitrate. With this in mind, I sat the avg. bitrate to 1800 and >>bing<< it went straight through without any freezes. My guess is that CCE in the multipasses, makes the bitrate for some of those frames go above the Max. Bitrate. In a typical programmers bug that could end in an endless loop.

(For instance BitrateDifference = MaxBitrate - CurrentCalculatedBitrate;
If the MaxBitrate is 2450 and the CurrentCalculatedBitrate = 2452
This would on a piece of paper be equal to -2, but if you use an usigned variable in the program the result would tip over and give a big positive result like 65334 (if it was a shortword). I don't know if this makes sense to anybody, but you should be able to see that this cannot be good. I don't say that's what is happing, but CCE really acts like an endless loop (CPU usage > 99))

So, to you who still experience freezes, would you mind, just for test purposes, setting the min/max. avg. bitrate to 1800 (checkmark the min. avg) and the the max to 2450. This will mean that you will not get proper sized images at the end, however, if it works I think we're onto something.

If the above fixes the freeze for you, I have to ways to proceed. One is to lower the Avg. Bitrate (I could make dvd2svcd autodetect a freeze) or I could start disassemble CCE and see if I could locate the endless loop (which I am fairly certain it is). But since I don't have much time to start learning the deep dark ways of disassembly, I would probably go with the former strategy, unless ofcourse somebody here is a God in disassmbler, in that case I can provide him/her with a little piece of vob file which I know will make CCE freeze.

[saber]

DVD2SVCD, please, correct me if I´m wrong, but it seems there is no clear reason to blame for the CCE freezes.
Certainly, I was having troubles in my PC after a period of very well behavior. Then the freezes came back again.
So I started to use a clear installation in a second disk. The freezes remain. Then, after some trial and error, I removed my video card and let the one onboard. The freezes then dissapeared. I thought "it´s a hw problem then". But after a couple of encodings, I reinstalled the video card again, and things kept running smothly. I´ve tried reencoding the DVD that before I cannot complete, and succceded.
I really can´t find a logic in all this...

Sorry, I don´t mean to add static to the subject, but I keep reading post after post...

[ruok]

saber:
I completely agree with DVD2SVCD in pointing the finger at CCE - and I've worked on enough HUGE software projects to get a reasonable idea of where things do go wrong. My reason for suspecting CCE is that CCE doesn't crash but it doesn't progress either. Why would it be anything else other than CCE (except maybe the frame server - which seems to work on the first pass through CCE anyway). At minimum, CCE should handle unusual frames - therefore it should never freeze (hence CCE can definately be blamed, if only partially at a minimum).

The only thing I don't understand in DVD2SVCD's explanation (but I am not disagreeing - video is not my area of expertise) is why a black and white image would require more bitrate than a standard 'busy' frame with many various colours (or shades). Most credits scroll quickly and therefore require more deltas than usual because most of the pixels are changing over large sections of the screen. It may be the number of deltas in a long time period or the algorithm for edge detection or any number of things.

By the way DVD2SVCD I tried Shrek credits by themselves - and they WORKED!!! If I do the whole movie with the same settings, they fail?!?!?!? If you get the chance, i'd like to try your "guaranteed crash" files and see if I can experiment with some combinations to assist you in solving the problem.

Cheers



RUOK

[Spark]

Well Well, things here are suddenly looking bright!

dvd2svcd, I made the changes you asked us to do in the bitrate section:
- 1800 min average
- 1800 max average
- 2450 max
- 300 min

And, for the _first_ time ever, CCE has encoded a whole movie without freezing!!! CCE still stops responding 2 secs after dvd2svcd has launched it, but if it doesn't freeze I really don't care.
So now, it would be great to find an (d)ASM guy with the right tools and a bright head..! Think you're on to sth mate!

(Takker makker)

/Spark

[dvd2svcd]

@Saber, well, so far my finger still points to CCE (assume no hardware errors on my computers). Have you tried my suggestions, if not I urge you to try. Here's the two posts with my suggestions:


http://rilanparty.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=68994#post68994
http://rilanparty.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=69401#post69401

Besides, the last post from Spark seems to confirm my theory.

[dvd2svcd]

The only thing I don't understand in DVD2SVCD's explanation (but I am not disagreeing - video is not my area of expertise) is why a black and white image would require more bitrate than a standard 'busy' frame with many various colours (or shades).

I think I read it somewhere on Robshots pages. But I am not too sure.

[saber]

Don't misunderstand me, I also think CCE is the problem. I have no doubts in my mind about the exelent quality of DVD2SVCD. Maybe my english in not that good, though...


ps: Payback just encoded perfectly

[Racer]

I tried to encode TAXITAXI (PAL, German Movie) about 10 times without success. CCE always freezed in the black scenes at the end of the movie, always at the same postition.
But as I made the changes in the bitrate section, CCE encoded for the first time without freezing.
I really think, that the high bitrates in dark scenes could be the cause of the freezes.

Thanks.
Racer

[user57913]

@dvd2svcd

Hi,
me would interest, why you not integrate the VFAPI 1.03b Converter(not 1.04!). With the program it is possible to convert AviSynth-Script Files to a pseudo AVI that with every CCE (also 2.62 and 2.64) works. The 'freeze Bug' only exist with the CCE 2.50

Greetings user57913

[Clixo]

i tried with cast away that freezed with 2.5 and with 2.64 it goes ahead ( it was ripped with smart ripper! )

[SatanX]

ok i know my english ist not the best :( i have no problems with dvd2svcd in the past and not in the present...

ach scheiß drauf:

DVD2SVCD du bist der beste. So ein geiles programm hab ich lange nicht mehr gesehen. Eigentlich noch nie! ich denke mal alle die deutsch können und dieses Programm benutzen, werden mir zustimmen.Ich habe schon so viele DVD's mit dem Programm gerippt. Hatte bisher keine Probleme. Sehr geil ist die Funktion AVI/DIVX als SVCd zurippen.

So please tell me how do spend money to you.i want to support you!!! of course i have no credit card :-)

PS.: please tell me what progamming language you use

thx

SatanX

<==> Arschloch und Spaß dabei !!! JBO !!! BLAST !!! <==>

[Spark]

dvd2svcd,

may I ask how you plan to solve the bitrate overflow bug in CCE v2.50? One way will be to patch CCE using ASM - another way would be to use VFAPI v1.03b instead of v1.04 (as "user57913" suggested) and thereby use CCE v2.64 which hasn't got the overflow issue.
Furthermore you asked for somebody who knew the deep dark secrets of ASM. If no one has volunteered yet, please post a reply inhere and I'll connect you to one that knows his ASM.
Looking forward to your reply :)

Take care
/Spark

(Btw SatanX, no offence but does your last post really concern CCE crashing at all, or is it just me?)

[dvd2svcd]

I know that vfapi 1.03 would solve the problems, but I never did give it much thought, considering the drop (quite a drop) in the encoding speed. But if you can live with that, maybe I should consider it.

@Spark:
I'm interested.

[wfiguero]

After having many problems with DVD2SVCD I think that I found a solution to my problems. After installing CCE 2.5 I was having checksumm error messages. I installed the checksum patch but after that I had Avisynth acess violation errors and blockiness, I used TS 2,3 but I still was having the avisynth error. I tried any combination possible without results. Then I decided to use Smart Ripper to rip the DVD (Mummy Return)I receive some massage that some vobs can be ripped, also during the ripping process I noted that my ripping speed was very slow (.5x) that means that something is going bad with my DVD player. I had my DVD connected to a PCI Ultra 66 IDE card also the ripped vobs had blockiness in the images. Then my solution to the problem is that I moved my DVD connection to the secondary IDE controller of my motherboard and connected it as slave. After that I reinstalled CCE and using DVD2SVCD in its default settings and ripping with vstrip I was able to rip The Mummy Return without problems.

To the guys that are having this problem and are using other IDE controllers apart from your motherboard primary or secondary IDE controllers to connect your DVD player , move it to your main IDE controllers and try again.

Thanks,
Wilfredo

[Spark]

..."I know that vfapi 1.03 would solve the problems, but I never did give it much thought, considering the drop (quite a drop) in the encoding speed. But if you can live with that, maybe I should consider it..."

How much drop in time/enc speed are we talking about? I can live with it, but i think i'll prefer a working CCE 2.50 then.

/Spark

[guru1968]

Hi folks,

well - first of all: I am not using DVD2SVCD since it does not offer frame-precise cutting which is a must for me...

But I AM using CCE 2.50 which does not give me any problems at all and I am very interested in what is going on here!

A friend of mine actually IS using DVD2SVCD and he also has this freezing thing and probably has found the point of it:

According to him CCE is not really frozen, only it's WINDOW is frozen!
Anyone of You having the problem can very, very easily verify this:
Just let CCE have enough time to finish encoding!
- You know Your approx. encoding speed so You know how long it should take... Plus You can see if the mpeg is finished (on Win2000 You can see in taskmanager if cce is using 99% cpu-time; if not, it's finished :)

So after cce is finished (...and it's window still frozen which prevents DVD2SVCD from continuing) just reboot Your computer!

ALSO You have to specify somewhere in the recovery file '31' otherwise the encoding would be restarted and do a
crash-recovery...

although I personally am not involved, I am VERY interessted if this works for You - for my friend it always worked pretty fine!

success,
guru

[dvd2svcd]

I doubt that very much, as when it happens the mpv file is not changing in size at all.

[Labersack]

I also don't know if this is the sollution, but I don't think the filesize is a sign for progess.
CCE is 'hanging' at the end of a pass, so the filesize don't have to change, it writes again from the begining of the file to its end, overwriting the changed bits but not appanding any bit.
Can this be true?

[dvd2svcd]

No that is not true, it starts from 0 between each pass.

[guru1968]

Just a little question:

How do You know, WHEN it's freezing?
isn't it so that You start the whole process and then do something else, e.g. sleeping?
- or do You just sit the whole time watching as it proceeds?
(I don't thing so...)

So when You notified the frozen window (probably the next morning) CCE has most probably finished encoding so You don't see any change any more in the mpv's size - since it's already finished...

For my friend this is true - I don't know since I don't have these problems...

If You don't even WANT to try this it's up to You, I just wanted to help!


guru

[dvd2svcd]

I do appreciate your help. But I have tested this extensively. I have a small vob file (about 11000 frames), which I do sit and look at. Besides, the freeze happen at any point, but more often than not it happens at the End Credits, and then the mpv file would seem to be finished.

[user57913]

...I know that vfapi 1.03 would solve the problems, but I never did give it much thought, considering the drop (quite a drop) in the encoding speed. But if you can live with that, maybe I should consider it...


Hi,

I always prefer a 100% working program, as a Software witch is little faster but unstably.
(Use CCE version 2.62, for 2.64 it not exist a really working cr***, the most have exactly with Multipass VBR problems!)

For get more speed with VFAPI, set the default multipass value to 3, more is unnecessary, because the CCE gets here the maximum at quality (I know not perfect, but better than nothing :))

[dvd2svcd]

@user57913:

You are right ofcourse. But I just wanted to try out every possible solution before switching (or adding) vfapi as a possibility. Besides, it seems that CCE 2.5 also works when using VFAPI 1.03. But you know, you are not the one who will be flamed, I am (and I know I will be), if I suddenly use VFAPI with the decreased speed.

[mrbass]

- 1800 min average
- 1800 max average
- 2450 max
- 300 min

ok I tried on two separate computers Henry V R1 DVD and it CCE crash/froze at 72% each time.

It crashed (twice) when I used the following bitrates:
Max 2450
Min 0
[ ]Min. avg. _____
Max. avg. 2230

It didn't crash when I used these bitrate settings:
Max 2450
Min 0
[X]Min. Avg. 1600
Max. avg. 2230

so for those who have crashes try checking [x]Min. Avg. 1600

28 sep. 2001 version 1.0.3 build 1
- The Min. Avg. can now be selected or deselected. If deselected dvd2svcd will use the bitrate calculated, no matter how low it gets.

[dvd2svcd]

Ok, I have now 99% confirmed my suspicion of bitrate overflow in CCE by using W32Dasm 8.93.
I let CCE run until it froze, and the I used W32Dasm to attach to the CCE process. And in
the debug window I suddenley got a lot of errors. Here's an excerpt of those errors

Ev0091 Debug String "CCE:***** Hi! Nice to see you. (Cinemacraft encoder ver:2.50 build:Aug 17 2000 21:02:49) *****
" @ eip:77e8f142
Ev0092 Creating Thread:00000228, sa:77e87532 @ eip:77f85f03
Ev0093 Creating Thread:00000234, sa:77e87532 @ eip:77f8224d
Ev0094 Creating Thread:00000244, sa:77e87532 @ eip:77f8a9c1
Ev0095 Creating Thread:0000023C, sa:77e87532 @ eip:77f8969f
Ev0096 Exiting Thread @ EIP:77f846a4
Ev0097 Exiting Thread @ EIP:77f846a4
Ev0098 Creating Thread:00000218, sa:77e87532 @ eip:004ba8e7
Ev0099 Debug String "CCE:***ERROR*** VBR 5772 ovf I 48072(23.5) max 47757.30(23.3) rel 314.70 1.01 qsv 2.81->2.56
" @ eip:77e8f142
Ev0100 Debug String "CCE:***ERROR*** VBR 5772 ovf I 24516(12.0) max 11376.84(5.6) rel 13139.16 2.15 qsv 11.16->10.92
" @ eip:77e8f142
Ev0101 Debug String "CCE:***ERROR*** VBR 5772 ovf I 13456(6.6) max -1447.62(-0.7) rel 14903.62 -9.30 qsv 96.00->62.00
" @ eip:77e8f142
Ev0102 Debug String "CCE:***ERROR*** VBR 5772 ovf I 13460(6.6) max -3212.08(-1.6) rel 16672.08 -4.19 qsv 96.00->62.00
" @ eip:77e8f142
Ev0103 Debug String "CCE:***ERROR*** VBR 5772 ovf I 13456(6.6) max -4980.53(-2.4) rel 18436.53 -2.70 qsv 96.00->62.00
" @ eip:77e8f142
Ev0104 Debug String "CCE:***ERROR*** VBR 5772 ovf I 13460(6.6) max -6744.99(-3.3) rel 20204.99 -2.00 qsv 96.00->62.00
" @ eip:77e8f142
Ev0105 Debug String "CCE:***ERROR*** VBR 5772 ovf I 13456(6.6) max -8513.45(-4.2) rel 21969.45 -1.58 qsv 96.00->62.00
" @ eip:77e8f142

So it does indeed seem to be a bitrate overflow. Besides, this also confirms it to be a neverending loop.
The above messages is repeated over and over again with different values.

Now, I just need to find out how to debug CCE so that this Overflow doesn't happen. BTW, it fits well into
the other suggestion about setting the max. avg. lower than what I use as default in dvd2svcd. As before I
suggest by starting by 1800 and move up from there (if you have the time of course).

[mrbass]

just wanted to throw out more food for thought...probably way off on a limb. CCE manual it says:

"In MPEG, a group of pictures is handled as a GOP (Group Of
Pictures). The structure of GOP can be changed.
Picture type In MPEG-2, three picture types, that is, an I picture,
P picture and B picture, are defined.

P picture (Predictive-coded picture)
A P picture consists of motion vectors when previous (just before) I pictures or P pictures are used for reference and differential information between a picture comprised of these motion vectors and an original picture. To decode a P picture, pictures used for reference are required, but compression can be more
effcient than I pictures. In the case of a sequence where P pictures continue, however, picture quality may deteriorate as the P picture deviates from the reference I picture, since errors accumulate during decoding due to the difference in the IDCT2 calculation method between the encoder and the decoder."

so perhaps the bitrate overflow occurs due to the huge flucation of P Picture change (black scenes) compared to the previous P picture and bitrate calculations go haywire.

[dvd2svcd]

@mrbass: Yeah, that might explain why some have had success when changing the GOP Sequence in CCE. However a GOP Sequence that works on one movie fails on another. Sigh, this is hard.

[mrbass]

28 sep. 2001 version 1.0.3 build 1 changed it to allow unchecking it. Wasn't it back in those days CCE checksum errors mostly? Has the [x]Min. Avg. bitrate 1600 already been tested by those with CCE crashes and failed? (I can't remember)

[dvd2svcd]

The min. avg has no effect on CCE (unless ofcourse if the calculated bitrate is lower than min. avg.)

The Min. Avg. is not used in CCE anywhere.

And another thing. It seems that maybe my guestimation of the speed drop when using VFAPI 1.03 infact turns out not to be as much as I thought. I'm seriously considering adding it as a possibility for people to use. Thanks user57913.

[mrbass]

why did I successfully encode Henry V ...the ONLY thing I changed was to check min. avg. 1600 which it wasn't checked before.

[dvd2svcd]

I don't know. But I do know that it isn't used anywhere besides in my bitrate calculation. Trust me I know.

Did you delete the VAF file in between?

[mrbass]

yes I did delete the .vaf ...all files except the vobs

[dvd2svcd]

Well, I have no answers for that (except that when ever I test CCE it never freezes at the same spot, it's always a random frame number). Maybe you were lucky, but I really don't know.

[user57913]

@dvd2svcd

...I'm seriously considering adding it as a possibility for people to use...


That's the way, to make a very good program still better!

Integrate an alternate possibility;
Example: add an option 'CCE 2.62 over VFAPI' to the 'CCE' Tab :) ,all user's could select what they want - Speed or absolute functionality (with 5% - 15% less speed)

(I hope the value transfer from DVD2SVCD to CCE 2.62 is not different than DVD2SVCD to CCE 2.50 - sorry, but i think CCE 2.50 is simply full bugs)

[dvd2svcd]

Hmm, this is weird. I was testing VFAPI 1.03 on the vob file that always causes a freeze in CCE, and in 2.50 I got a CRC error, but 2.64 just completely died on me, when changing from VAF to MPV creation. I better investigate this a bit further.´


EDIT:
I reinstalled vfapi 1.03 and I installed the ReadAVS dll and now it works. Implementation imminent.

[DVDHack]

I had a weird thing the other day. I let DVD2SVCD run during the day and when I got back DVD2SVCD said 66% (Video encoding) but cce had shut down, on closer inspection I found that the mpv file was complete. I wonder if this is a case where DVD2SVCD thought cce had crashed but it had in fact finished in the background.

Any thoughts on that one.

I did mux and cut - the svcd is fine.

[Labersack]

My last encoding hang at 2/3 of CCE. 5 hours later I shut down DVD2SVCD and CCE, set the dvd2svcd project position to 31 and did a crash recovery. All went fine till the end. I watched 20min. of the resulting movie without any errors. Maybe now it is not a 3pass VBR but a 2pass VBR, don't know.
Tomorow I will watch the whole movie to see if it's good till the end.

[dvd2svcd]

Maybe now it is not a 3pass VBR but a 2pass VBR, don't know

That is exactly what it is.

[Spark]

Please correct me if I'm wrong:

..but will using VFAPI v1.03/v1.04 -only to be able to use a newer version of CCE eg. v2.64/v2.62- solve anything? In other forums -the CCE- it is said that CCE 2.64 also crashes when coding VBR. Is this true or am I mistaken?
If I'm right the only proper way would be to debug the overflow in CCE v2.50 and patch it... Any news -good or bad- dvd2svcd?

Au revoir
/Spark

[dvd2svcd]

It seems that CCE works well with vfapi 1.03 (albeit slower). I am testing 1.04 right now.

[user57913]

CCE 2.64 crashes only because it not exist a working cra**, (the most of this cra**'s let the 2.64 version freeze exactly in the multipass VBR mode)
CCE 2.62 works always correctly when using Tsunamis CCE Pat**er 2.0

____
I think that VFAPI 1.03b and 1.04 use the same reader codec, only the
file converter has changed - the 1.04 can not convert AviSynth Script's

[dvd2svcd]

I think that VFAPI 1.03b and 1.04 use the same reader codec, only the file converter has changed - the 1.04 can not convert AviSynth Script's


Well, I can convert AVS files with 1.04, all you have to do is installing the ReadAVS.dll

[user57913]

...Oh - ok :)

[Mephesto]

To you people who experience freezes when the CCE process is going on: Does your whole computer crash, or does only CCE freeze? I have to reset the computer, since the mouse etc. won't react. Keep up the good work, DVD2SVCD!

[ozone]

on both of my systems (p3 800, 512MB, 440BX Chipset running Win98SE dvd2svcd 1.0.5 b4; p4 1,8 512MB, 850 Chipset on Win2k dvd2svcd 1.0.6 b1) CCE seems to stuck in a loop at 30% with 3 pass VBR since i can move my mouse and click on cancel to go back to the DVD2SVCD window. But this happens only on the PAL-version of "saving grace". 2 other movies worked right for me.

im trying "saving grace" a third time on the p4 now with the following settings:

max 2350
min 0
min. avr. (checked) 1600
max avr. 2200

thx dvd2svcd for this wonderful frontend, keep up this nice work if you have the time..

[itimpi]

I have several DVD's where I was getting freezes between the VBR passes. I have tried reducing the Max Ave bit rate to 2100 (rather than the value of 1800 that was mentioned by DVD2SVCD in an earlier post). After making this change they have all gone through without any problems - and as far as I can see no noticeable reduction in quality. Other than this change all other settings are at default values.

[dvd2svcd]

@Itimpi, I didn't mean that 1800 was the only value that worked. As you can see in another post I say start from 1800 and move up from there. Anyway, I'm glad that 2100 is working for you :)

[itimpi]

@dvd2svcd, I didn't mean that 1800 was the only value that worked. As you can see in another post I say start from 1800 and move up from there. Anyway, I'm glad that 2100 is working for you :)

I realized that. I was just intending to add further weight to the fact that the bit rate is the problem. In fact I have just got home and found that a conversion of "LA confidential" (NSTC->PAL) has failed after the first pass with the Max Ave value of 2100 so it is obviously not an universal fix even for me.

Hopefully one of the other avenues that you have mentioned as being investigated will provide a more reliable fix.

[dvd2svcd]

Ok, here's another fix for the CCE crash you can try.

In the frameserver tab, select "Edit Avs as part of CCE Encoding".

Start the conversion as usual. When it comes to the AVS edit window add this as the last line:


ConvertToRGB24


It will reduce the encoding speed, but I have had success with it to day on both my hardcases.

[Coentjo]

The use of DVD2SVCD to start CCE results in the freeze of CCE.
Loading the .avs file (with ResampleAudio(44100) as the last line) works without any problem.

What I'm wondering about is if the fact that the .avs file created by DVD2SVCD is "missing" the ResampleAudio line could be releated to the CCE freezes?

I'm going to try a conversion by dvd2svcd with "Edit .avs as part of CCE encoding" I will add the ResampleAudio line and see what happens

[NixZ]

LOL @ ----->(Location: Denmark, you know, the capitol of Sweden.) Im from Sweden. :D

[Coentjo]

Hmmmm. CCE still freezes after creating the .vaf file with the ResampleAudio added.

[Mephesto]

What does the fact that my whole computer crashes during the CCE process tell you guys? My first ever movie (The Waterboy) was ripped perfectly. After that, all movies I've tried have crashed the computer...

[chainsaw135]

Well without your system "specs" that description tells me your running 1 of 3 operating systems "WINDOWS 98, 98 SE, ME" which would give me reason 2 say you might wanna switch 2 a more stable operating system like 2000, or XP.

[Mephesto]

These are my system specs:

Athlon XP1700+
512mb SDRAM
Lots of harddrive space
64mb graphics card
OS: Win2000 SP 2

Does that tell you any more?

[chainsaw135]

Thanks well yes that tells me more have you tested ram modules?

I have windows 2000 and xp if cce crashes it does not crash the whole system. So i'm just wondering if there might be another reason behind your crash besides the issues of cce have you done testing like memory tests and other system tests?

Tho if i run cce with 98 or ME the whole system crashes..But it doesnt take much 2 crash 98 or ME specially ME.

[Fantastic]

If your system freezes and you cannot move the mouse or activate the task manager (ctrl alt +del) anymore it is obviously not the bug we are talking about in this thread.

These symptomes seem to be hardware related. Mostly it´s a cpu-cooling problem (especially on AMD Athlon cpus). That´s also the reason why you should not overclock you´re computer - even if it seems to be running smoothly with all applications - when you want to run an mpeg-encoder. For the cpu converting an DVD into an SVCD means a few hours of continous and hard mathematic operations (peremantent calculating). So the cpu might be getting too hot after a while. Try to run a tool in the background that checks your cpu- and sysmtem-temperature every few seconds and writes it down in a log-file (e.g. dr. hardware 2002). If the freezing-problem occurs again you can check the log-file to see how hight the last cpu- and system-tempeerature was.

Btw: The problem could also be related to your ram-modules or your motherboard. Just to make sure it is not any software turn off all programs that are running in the background. But it most probably is your cpu that causes the problem.

Bye

Fantastic

[mkanar]

DVD2SVCD Quote:

"...ConvertToRGB24..."

Just out of curiosity, has anyone else with trouble tried 'unclicking' the 'Try decoding in 32-bit RGB Format" in CCE?

Well, it was the first thing that worked for me, although after that it worked either way, as documented in a prior message of mine in this thread.

Thanks,
MKanar

[dvd2svcd]

@mkanar: I have tried that, but :( that didn't work on my hardcase. Thanks for the suggestion, as it might help others.

[cadbury]

CCE freezed at 99,99 % of encoding :eek: !!!
CPU usage stayed at 100% until I stopped CCE. Only CCE freezed, not my computer.
I check the encoded mpv and it seems complete to me (when it freezed, it remains only 20 seconds of encoding !).
Is there a way to make dvd2svcd restart the process after video-encoding ? When I try the crash recovery, it always try to reencode the whole thing.

I use dvd2svcd 1.0.6b1 under win2000pro.

Thanks for your help.

[kiro]

How many passes did you set?
What name of movie?

[kiro]

Movie "Shrek"
Win 2000
Pentium III 1G
128 RAM
DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 bild 1
CCE 2.5 SP (with logo)
4 pases
bitrate defaullt

CCE freezed at 24% casting of
______________________________________________
the same like above +
256 RAM
CCE 2.5 SP (without logo!)
CCE freezed at 24% casting of
______________________________________________

By hand with DVD2AVI I've made AVI file of last minute of "Shrek".
Encoded with vfapi 1.03b and 1.04; Had checked bouth files with CCE.
Bitrate and multipasses like default in DVD2SVCD - bouth files encoded without problem.

________________________________________________
win 2000
Movie "Shrek"
Pentium III 1G
256 RAM
DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 bild 7
avisynth of 05.01.02
CCE 2.5 SP (without logo)
4 pases
Bitrate: 2350 300 x1800 1800

at the very this moment 50% of casting done.
.mpv file again starts gain waight from 0KB, looks nice....

But!

In window task manager:

DVD2SVCD_________________________________Running
Cinema Craft Encoder SP__________________Not responding:angry:
50%/CCE_Encoded_Video_PAL.mpv____________Running

?????????????????????????????????
:confused:

[dvd2svcd]

DVD2SVCD_________________________________Running
Cinema Craft Encoder SP__________________Not responding
50%/CCE_Encoded_Video_PAL.mpv____________Running


That is how it should look.

[kiro]

Let us see:)

[dvd2svcd]

What is that supposed to mean! Looking in the task manager, then that is the way it is supposed to look!

[kiro]

Let us see the end.
I did not see it yet.

Sorry my Eng.