Creating new DVD Subtitle with existing colors?

[shon3i]

I need to reautor DVD, which i got from my friend from Russia. The Movie "Day Watch", come in original with two subtitles: English and Russian.

Every time i tryed to render new subtitle using Subtitle Creator and MaestroSBT, i get very poor result comparing to original subs.

First at all i can't match colors, second Subtitle Creator make subs very bad, i think on render quality.

MaestroSBT render bitmaps very good and clean, but after rendering i got .SON which i convert to vobsub, and then using Subtitle Creator to .SUP!

After this convertions between formats i get full garbage


My question is:

1. How to set colors in MaestoSBT, and Antialias settings
2. How to convert output of MaestroSBT (SON, SST or other) losslessly to .SUP
3. Is there any other DVD Authoring application which can preserve sbtitles "is as", and only add new?

Thnaks for answers :)

[setarip_old]

You should be able to adjust the color palette in DVDSubEdit, or

One possible way to remedy the problem regarding subtitle colors is:

- Open the movie original .IFO (most likely "VTS_01_0.IFO") in IfoEdit.

- Select "VTS_PGCITI" >> VTS_PGC_1"

- Choose "Subtitle Color" >> "Copy Colors From This PGC".

- Open your edited version of the .IFO.

- Select "VTS_PGCITI" >> VTS_PGC_1"

- Choose "Subtitle Color" >> "Paste Colors Into This PGC".

- Save the .IFO and .BUP (make backups beforehand, just in case).

If the DVD has more than one title with subs, repeat the same procedure for the other .IFOs

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5# Q: "Green and fuzzy subtitles after creating new IFO files".

In that case the color values in the PGC in table VTS_PGCITI are set to zero.

But they should look like this:
[000000a5] Color 0 Y Cr CB 40 109 240 [28 6d f0 ]
[000000a9] Color 1 Y Cr CB 81 240 90 [51 f0 5a ]
[000000ad] Color 2 Y Cr CB 16 128 128 [10 80 80 ]
[000000b1] Color 3 Y Cr CB 234 128 128 [ea 80 80 ]
[000000b5] Color 4 Y Cr CB 58 143 149 [3a 8f 95 ]
[000000b9] Color 5 Y Cr CB 72 116 169 [48 74 a9 ]
[000000bd] Color 6 Y Cr CB 210 146 16 [d2 92 10 ]
[000000c1] Color 7 Y Cr CB 91 73 146 [5b 49 92 ]
[000000c5] Color 8 Y Cr CB 95 156 168 [5f 9c a8 ]
[000000c9] Color 9 Y Cr CB 209 128 128 [d1 80 80 ]
[000000cd] Color 10 Y Cr CB 48 182 109 [30 b6 6d ]
[000000d1] Color 11 Y Cr CB 79 81 91 [4f 51 5b ]
[000000d5] Color 12 Y Cr CB 28 119 182 [1c 77 b6 ]
[000000d9] Color 13 Y Cr CB 97 207 207 [61 cf cf ]
[000000dd] Color 14 Y Cr CB 136 179 58 [88 b3 3a ]
[000000e1] Color 15 Y Cr CB 217 128 127 [d9 80 7f ]

But there are no default values existing, that match with each DVD.
So to get the right colors for your sub-titles you need to copy the correct values of the original IFO file, to your new IfoEdit'ed IFO file.

[kumi]

I suggest using MuxMan for creating your .SUP stream. It has robust .SST support, and produces quality output. I used to create .SUP streams with Son2VSub.exe and SubToSup.exe, but I find MuxMan to be much more reliable. Just feed MuxMan with the MestroSBT .SST output.

For antialiasing in MaestroSBT, you need to set Color Rendering to "Only one set of text, antialias and outline colors." Then you will need to adjust your style(s), especially Threshold 1 and Threshold 2 settings, to fit your needs.

[manusse]

second Subtitle Creator make subs very bad

First time somebody says that. Could you please post a bad SUP file or a screen copy so that we can see what you mean by very bad.

Cheers
Manusse

[shon3i]

@kumi, BIG THANKS man. You have cold beer from me :D

Realy i have MuxMan long time ago and newer find that is very usefull app :)

I need more info about Threshold 1 and Threshold 2, when i change this, i don't see much more differents.

I set Color Rendering to "Only one set of text, antialias and outline colors." ;)

Did you have some recommendation to start?

@manusse, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1010384#post1010384. The quality of rendered fonts isn't clean, like on the this pictures posted by Anime.

@setarip_old, thanks for tips, i knew first ;)

[kumi]

It's hard to describe how Threshold 1 and 2 work... as far as I can tell, "1" affects horizontal aliasing, and "2" affects vertical aliasing. Too-high or too-low values will distort the typeface. This also plays into the font-size you choose: certain font sizes make some of the characters look strange, but that might be remedied by tweaking the thresholds, or nudging the size up or down 1 point. Just play and experiment and you'll find your sweet-spot :p