will nero guys ever give us their high profile avc encoding?

[fight2win]

will nero guys ever give us their high profile avc encoding?

[foxyshadis]

Don't post in a sticky unless it's a very good reason (like contributing to a FAQ thread). And where have you been looking, it's been part of nero since 7.5.1.1; the thread you posted in even mentioned it:
News 2006:
Sep: High profile AVC support added to Recode (increased quality) along with new better quality AAC audio encoding support

[JohnV]

Maybe he meant that it should be free like the AAC encoder.. ;)

[ChronoCross]

I think he meant a fully customizeable version. maybe IDK.

Something with the flexibility of ateme and x264's command line encoders.

[PuzZLeR]

THERE IS a High profile with Nero Recode, and there ISN'T. In other words, it's a High profile that is limited to only the following:

A. You can increase the Motion vector range interval to (-256, 255.75) instead of just (-128, 127.75).

B. You can enable 8x8 Transform.

C. You are allowed up to 3 Multiple Reference Frames in the Cinema profile and up to 4 Multiple Reference Frames in the HDTV profile (as opposed to only 2 in the Standard profile).

So, in essense, I guess, yes Virginia, there IS a High Profile.

@ChronoCross:

AFAIK Ateme's only GUI is Nero Recode and otherwise is not available to the general public, at least not like x264 is, so we may just be limited to only what Nero Recode can/will harness from it unfortunately. This is due to probably some party agreement between Nero and Ateme.

[ChronoCross]

@ChronoCross:

AFAIK Ateme's only GUI is Nero Recode and otherwise is not available to the general public, at least not like x264 is, so we may just be limited to only what Nero Recode can/will harness from it unfortunately. This is due to probably some party agreement between Nero and Ateme.

yeah likely.

I was part of the ateme beta testing so I've seen the full range of options their encoder has.

Perhaps they will get more in the future.

[JohnV]

What options in your opinion would have *significant* influence on quality which was included in Ateme cmd but not in Recode? (Really significant, not just to make tweakers happy).

And please provide example and evidence streams about this which shows the difference, and not just talk. I can maybe influence on things if there's good enough facts to put on table.

[PuzZLeR]

What options in your opinion would have *significant* influence on quality which was included in Ateme cmd but not in Recode? (Really significant, not just to make tweakers happy).

Hello JohnV. Hopefully this will help you, Nero, and eventually us. Thanks for joining in.

I have a few options here sorely lacking in Recode that Ateme is capable of. They are not direct "quality" options, but nevertheless very important to some.

How about a CRF mode? Nero Recode has proven it can deliver the quality, but only in 2-pass when you know ahead of time how much bitrate you need. Currently the 1-pass on Recode is terrible to be honest.

As well, Recode could be a little faster. Not sure what options could be tweaked, or untweaked, in the Ateme codec, but it could use a boost.

As well, since Nero is a DvD author/burn type of company by nature, how about giving us AVC profiles for BD and HD-DvD that Ateme is capable of?

Thanks JohnV.
Geordie.

[ChronoCross]

What options in your opinion would have *significant* influence on quality which was included in Ateme cmd but not in Recode? (Really significant, not just to make tweakers happy).

And please provide example and evidence streams about this which shows the difference, and not just talk. I can maybe influence on things if there's good enough facts to put on table.

calm down sheesh I wasn't critiquing recode or anything just simply adding to the OP's opening as a what he might of meant.

If I had to give an example however I would choose interlacing as being a feature that people would like to have.

[JohnV]

calm down sheesh I wasn't critiquing recode or anything just simply adding to the OP's opening as a what he might of meant.

If I had to give an example however I would choose interlacing as being a feature that people would like to have.

I didn't take it as a critique, it's just that any feature addition to Recode should first and foremost be visible and really useful to the masses, so that it has chances getting implemented. Unfortunately development resources are so small, that it's unlikely that all more minor things can be included.
But if there's something really useful for the quality, it should be considered.. But evidence is needed first.

[JohnV]

Hello JohnV. Hopefully this will help you, Nero, and eventually us. Thanks for joining in.
Thanks, unfortunately I may not be joining in for much longer..
My presence here on Doom9 may be ending: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127183

How about a CRF mode? Nero Recode has proven it can deliver the quality, but only in 2-pass when you know ahead of time how much bitrate you need. Currently the 1-pass on Recode is terrible to be honest.I have suggested quality 1-pass few times before, since this has been asked here. It's under consideration and agreed that it's useful. But can't say when because feature set for the next bigger version is already set.

As well, since Nero is a DvD author/burn type of company by nature, how about giving us AVC profiles for BD and HD-DvD that Ateme is capable of? Support of these are growing, and features are under consideration, but I can't say any time-frames yet.

[R3Z]

I didn't take it as a critique, it's just that any feature addition to Recode should first and foremost be visible and really useful to the masses, so that it has chances getting implemented. Unfortunately development resources are so small, that it's unlikely that all more minor things can be included.
But if there's something really useful for the quality, it should be considered.. But evidence is needed first.

Dont know if you feel like reading or not, but this covers the extra features and their benefits in terms of compression percentrages vs speed;

http://www.yuvsoft.com/pdf/x264_parameters_comparison.pdf

[Jay Bee]

What options in your opinion would have *significant* influence on quality which was included in Ateme cmd but not in Recode? (Really significant, not just to make tweakers happy).

And please provide example and evidence streams about this which shows the difference, and not just talk. I can maybe influence on things if there's good enough facts to put on table.

Interlaced encoding.

[JohnV]

Yes.. just have to get the interlaced encoding to the Recode "included features"-list. In practise interlaced support has been completed now on filter level..

[Bladerunner]

I didn't take it as a critique, it's just that any feature addition to Recode should first and foremost be visible and really useful to the masses, so that it has chances getting implemented. Unfortunately development resources are so small, that it's unlikely that all more minor things can be included.
But if there's something really useful for the quality, it should be considered.. But evidence is needed first.






How about some more support for PS3 since I am quite sure that
quite a few folks will be buying it come that price cut close to December?

How about a high profile support for the PS3 in Nero Recode AVCHD?

Just asking.

Thank you.

Blade.

[Sodgawd]

How about revamping the PSP profile to take advantage of the new video resolutions, frame rates, and HE AAC audio it now supports? :)

[aaron330i]

i'm pretty muc a lurker/searcher, but I really need to add my vote for interlace support.

[ToddG]

When I enable 8x8 Transform, it enables interlaced support + High profile.

[JohnV]

How about revamping the PSP profile to take advantage of the new video resolutions, frame rates, and HE AAC audio it now supports? :)

Where I can see the specs for those?

[CruNcher]

in Sonys Confidential Papers that come with the SDK you can find the specs i think it was upto 2500 kbps full SD res and Level 2.1 or so not sure but trial and error should also be a good way to find the max the psp can do :P