Stereo to 6.1 with Sony Sound Forge 9 (VST-SRS Circle)

[Elektra999]

Hello
Sony Sound Forge 9a, with AC3 Encoder Dolby Surround EX 6.1

00. Menu / Options / Preferences / Audio, Select ASIO4ALL (http://www.asio4all.com/) / Apply / OK.

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01. Menu / File / Open track stereo.
02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK.
03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK.
04. Menu / File / Properties.

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Apply / OK.

05. Click (green - arrow)

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to look for plug-in appropriate: Circle Surround / VI.I,… Add / OK.

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06. ClicK (arrow - Image) Processing selecction.

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It will begin to process, in minutes, we will have 6 wav mono.

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Track 1 = FL
Track 2 = FR
Track 3 = Center
Track 4 = Surround Center
Track 5 = SL
Track 6 = SR
Track 7 = LFE, but we did not create it, since, in Audio Service we will mark Enable LFE

07. Menu / File / Save Ass...

- Dolby Digital AC3 Pro
- Click Custom

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OK and Save

DOLBY SURROUND EX 6.1 :)

[xbox360]

If I play this Dolby 6.1 EX on a 5.1 system will it down-mix or ignore the extra channels ?

[xbox360]

Also can use Sony Sound Forge 8.0d ?
Oviously you cant use Sony Sound Forge 8.0d.

[ACrowley]

If I play this Dolby 6.1 EX on a 5.1 system will it down-mix or ignore the extra channels ?

A proper Decoder will blend the RC into SL SR

The Dolby Digital Pro Encoder vers 7 is the same as in Veags7.0d

Thx for your Guide.
I made a few DD EX Matrix encodes, works fine

[Elektra999]

Sony Sound Forge version 9, takes, the AC3 Encoder (Dolby Surround EX 6.1 and I believe that the 7.1)
Sony Forge 8d, not AC3 Encode.

Greetings
Frank ;)

[ACrowley]

yep...theres no AC3 encoder for Soundforge8 only the new version 9 can encode AC3

[Elektra999]

The new version of Sony Sound Forge 9, can do 7.1

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I will continue experimenting

[xbox360]

I hope you will find a way to make 7.1 ex not 6.1 ex. Then alas dvd's can rest in peace (RIP)

[Elektra999]

Sony Sound Forge 9 with Dolby Digital Pro, it does not make AC3 7.1, yes AC3 6.1 16/48000, not 24/48000.

[Elektra999]

Hello Steve
In order to do 6,1 with VI.I, I have had to create project 7.1

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His VI.I in Sony Sound Forge 9 ;)

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It works perfectly

[ursamtl]

This is great news. I'll add it to the list of supported programs.

Thanks,
Steve.

[Elektra999]

Hello Steve
I have been able to observe, who, Sony Sound Forge 9 cannot export the 7 WAV mono (created with VI.I), either in Dolby Surround EX, since, with Sony Sound Forge 9, only there are 2 projects: 5.1 and 7,1, 6,1 does not exist.
But that can be done, 5,1 with V.I

Greetings

[ursamtl]

Ok thanks, Elektra. Perhaps I'll put on my thinking cap and come up with a VII.I ;-)

[Elektra999]

Hello

VII.I ¡¡milk!! :goodpost:
Octomax 2,0, also works in Sony Sony Forge 9
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/23/dibujoar2.jpg
The HDCD (High Definition Compatible Digital) of Digital Dolby Pro, very is improved for CDs:

Encoded CDs sound better because they are encoded with 20bits of real musical information as compared to 16bits for all other CDs.
My amplifier Marantz no HDCD :mad:¿Is some no firmware? for Marantz SR-7500?

[Elektra999]

Sony Sound Forge 9 with Circle Surround, it is heard bad in my home cinema 6.1. Track 4 is LFE (in Sony Sound Forge 9) not Surround Center. I'm sorry.

[SealTooGreat]

Don't Let Sun Go down on me.cda
(first post tutorial)
04. Menu / File / Properties.
Changing to 48000Hz, George Michael's vocal sounds different(more like woman voice). Why? Can i encode to Dolby Surround EX 6.1, while keeping 44100Hz?

edit: how to export separate 6 wav mono channels from Sony Sound Forge 9? (with one click, not bothering with copy/paste to "new files")

By the way, Sony Sound Forge 9 says that i have to buy ac3 encoder.

edit:
resample 44100 to 48000: "Process->Resample..." >>>New Sample Rate=48,000, Interpolation Accuracy=4("4" is for audiophile according to help ) , anti-alias filter NONE(help says anti-alias is only for downsampling ). Now, in "Menu->File->Properties->Format", 44,100Hz is automatically updated to 48,000Hz. (I haven't changed anything manually )
Now, George Michael's vocal is the same.:)

Some comments about guide:
02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK.
03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK.
04. Menu / File / Properties.

Elektra999, first, you're setting 32bits float in process menu, and than change bith-depth to 16bits in "Properties->Format" - I think this is used for INFO only. :confused: My input was 44100Hz and changing 48000Hz in "Properties->Format" gave me weird result with vocal.
I assume converting to 32bits float is for accuracy?Am i right?!
Can you explane what is "DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file)" used for?!(I've forgotton that there's a help file :))

Try to set "Properties->Format->channels= 8 (7.1 Surround)". After "Process Selection" with Circle Surround, you will get 7 channels (6+1) and 1 empty.
But problem for me, is that I don't know which one is for which channel orientation.
Track 1 = FL
Track 2 = FR
Track 3 = Center
Track 4 = Surround Center
Track 5 = SL
Track 6 = SR
Track 7 = LFE

Is this workable for real 6.1 channel? Or there's a substitution between 4 and 7?

[SealTooGreat]

You need Nero installed. (my ver 7.8.5.0)
I've used CD audio track.
Rename GraphEdit to Recode.
Use "File writer" to write WAV file.

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Here's what Nero Sound Processor have to offer:

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Here's how that way created wav7+1 looks in Sound Forge 9:

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It was well accepted by sonic scenarist 4.1
But I don't have Dolby Digital Plus (7.1ch) encoder :(

[Elektra999]

This Dolby Digital Pro of Sony sound forge 9, can be done the 6.1, but I do not believe that the 7.1.

- When doing the 6.1, there is bug (error) in channel SC., in Dolby Digital Pro (channel EX) with SRS Circle and VI.I
- Download VI.I (http://www.stevethomson.ca/vi/) 6.1 and V.I (http://www.stevethomson.ca/vi/) 5.1
- Dolby Digital Pro of Sony Sorge 9, not 44100, yes 48000.
- Creation Dolby Digital 5.1 in Sony Forge 9, perfect with V.I

[SealTooGreat]

Direct Information from http://www.dolby.com (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/tech_overview.html)
Dolby Digital EX (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_ex.html)
Dolby Digital Surround EX (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_surround.html)

Taken from www.yamaha.co.jp (http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av/guide/referrences/index.html)
Dolby Digital EX:
Dolby's latest surround format, this is Dolby Digital with an added center rear channel. The rear center channel is actually matrixed into the two rear channels, and is extracted upon playback. (Formerly called Dolby Digital Surround EX, or Dolby Digital Matrix 6.1.)
...so DD EX = DD Surround EX ...and EX is just matrix-encoded flag and nothing more.

Conclusion, if you want to encode to DD EX you only need 5+1 ch, 'cause DD EX sound mix is not encoded as true 6.1 audio. In DD EX capable encoder select: "Digital Surround EX encoded". Depending on your decoder(if it's EX certified) and speaker configuration (6.1 or 7.1) you will get EX 6.1 or EX 7.1 surround, respectivelly, during playback. :cool:

Even if a cinema is not equipped with the extra Surround EX speakers in the rear, the information intended for it will be played through the traditional left and right surround channels - so always keep DD_encoder's option "Digital Surround EX encoded" selected, in order to get additional psycoacoustic-sound info.;) :cool:

Stereo to 6.1 upmixing is only useful if you have DTS-ES Discrete or Dolby Digtial Plus or Dolby TrueHD.
Stereo to 7.1 - Dolby Digtial Plus or Dolby TrueHD. :cool:

btw, DVD Architect 4.0 gave me Dolby Digital AC3 pro

[Elektra999]

Hello
Yes,
- Dolby Surround EX, channels SL, SR, CS Matrix
- DTS ES Matrix, channel SC Matrix
- DTS ES Diiscrete, channel SC Discrete.

- Plug-in SRS Circle Surround, channels Discrete, Dolby Surround EX channels Matrix, this is the reason of the error in Sony Sound Forge 9.

- Plug-in VI.I, channels Matrix, authoring in Sony Sound Forge 9, to export one WAV 8 channels a Sony Vegas 7e.
- Delete track 8
- Encoded Dolby Surround EX in Sony Vegas 7e, very good results, yes Dolby Surround EX with VI.I perfect ¡¡WOOWWW!!
Proyect 6.1 Sony Vegas
http://rapidshare.com/files/30696328/VI.I_6.1.rar
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[Elektra999]

Je je je Dolby Surround EX in Sony Sound Forge 9 with VI.I :D :D

01. Menu / File / Open Wav.
02. Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla,.....
03. Menu / File Properties / Proyect 7.1
04. Add plug-in VI.I and Press Processing selection.

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05. To select track 4 (channel LFE), Cut.
06. Copy track 7 (SC) and paste track 4, Menu / Edit / Paste.
07. Menu / File / Properties / Proyect 5.1

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07. Configuration my Sound Card Creative X-FI (Creative ASIO) in Sony Sound Forge 9

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FL
FR
CENTER
SC
SL
SR

08. Enable LFE

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09. Enable Exfbitstream

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Dolby Surround EX or Dolby Digital EX.



WOOOOWWWW Frank je je je ;):)

[SealTooGreat]

This is wrong what you are doing!!!
You're erasing LFE and leaving surrond center(SC)?:confused:
SC is actually matrixed added into the two rear channels DURING DD EX encoding, NOT Discrete channel.
Put that (last) way created AC3 EX in MediaInfo or play it with PowerDVD(check show info). How much channels does they show? (it should be real 6 or 5.1). So V.I is enough for DD EX.

[Elektra999]

He is not incorrect,

because in my audio card, Creative ASIO - track 4 - SC

[Elektra999]

PowerDVD is crazy

My Marantz SR7500 and 6.1 Channels INFINITY
Dolby Surround EX or Dolby Digital EX

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[SealTooGreat]

He is not incorrect,
because in my audio card, Creative ASIO - track 4 - SC
That means SC is discrete, but it shouldn't be.
AC3 EX channels are wrongly mapped:
1.FR
2.LR
3.center
4.SC
5.SL
6.SR
7.SC - matrix EX channel.
So you have two(2) SC channels.:rolleyes:

[Elektra999]

Not, not, not, VI.I channels SL, SR, SC Matrix, not discrete.
Srs Circle Surround channels SL, SR, SC yes discrete, VI.I no.

Dolby Surround EX, chanels SL, SR, SC Matrix, VI.I works perfect.

[SealTooGreat]

VI.I channels SL, SR, SC Matrix

Dolby Surround EX, chanels SL, SR, SC Matrix
DELET SC matrix from VI.I and let DD EX encoder create SC matrix, otherwise you're getting 2 SC.

DD EX 6.1 or 7.1 only exists during decoding. DD EX 6.1 or 7.1 have 5.1ch + EX/(SC or 2xBR*) matrix(encoded in SL and SR).

SC, for 6.1 speakers, is created during playback from EX matrix.
*BR-back rear(x2) (mono), for 7.1 speakers, are also created during playback from EX matrix.

[Elektra999]

Yes, but not with the VI.I quality of channel SC, you I can assure.

[Elektra999]

Hello
I'm sorry, SealTooGreat.
It was wrong. The order of channels in Sony Sound Forge 9 is bad. On what you were commenting it is nice:

Yes, Proyect 5.1 (Sony Forge 9), Process with V.I, AC3 Pro window Exbitstrean Enable Dolby Surround EX Encoded= Dolby Surround EX (6.1)

Sony Vegas 7, is different, allows me to add the channel SC and the order of channels, seems to be good.

I'm Sorry SealTooGreat and :thanks:

[Elektra999]

ejemmmmm ehhh...

AC3 or 44.100?? Encoder or 20bits/44100 HDCD??

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[SealTooGreat]

It's better to use Sound Forge 9(SF9) with Sony Vegas 7(SV7), 'cause with SV7 you can apply 2ch limiter to each track, separately.
SF9 doesn't allow that, unless you have 6/8ch limiter (to apply to all 6ch at the same time).
It's useful to create Surround Project template in SV7, before importing V.I_wav_6ch from SF9, with 2ch limiters assigned to each empty audio track(there should be 6 audio tracks with regulated Surround Pan for each channel - move pan point to appropriate channel and 4th track is only LFE). In "File->Properties->Audio->Muster bus mode" 5.1 surround must be selected (otherwise only stereo encoding is possible) , and change other settings upon your project (CD or DVD). Save template (use name you like) - "File->Save As". So every time, before importing V.I_wav_6ch in SV7, just load/open template.

@Elektra999
I don't understand your last post.

[Elektra999]

It is possible to do

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[SealTooGreat]

Well, I knew that :). But it's tooo loooong. Can't process all 3 limiters at the same time.
And you have merge back those separate limiter_processed 2ch tracks into 6ch.

Still don't have a clue how to do stereo->5.1ch with Sony Vegas 7 and V.I plugin.
In fact I've managed to create 5.1 using stereo buses and 2-in-2-out plugins(fLfR, CLFE, sLsR) from V.I. suit, but can't encode to multichannel 'cause project is set to stereo. And 6-in-6-out doesn't work with surround bus, sound is distributed equally as no VST have been applied (Project bus mode is set to 5.1 surround).

[SealTooGreat]

For me, Nuendo stereo_to_5.1ch guide is most versatile - you can chain V.I suit, 2ch limiters and dithering in one step.
Only Nuendo's AC3 encoder doesn't support EX flag, but you can export 6ch wav to SF9. :)

[Elektra999]

Hello

To mix of channel SC, in channels SL and SR.
DOLBY DIGITAL 6.1 IN SONY SOUND FORGE 9

- Menu / File / Properties / To write 7
- Processing with VI.I
- Select Track 7 (channel SC)
- Menu / Edit / Copy
- Select track 5 (channel SL)
- Menu / Edit / Paste Special / Mix, configuration:

- He chooses the configuration that more you like for your room 6.1. 0dB, -3dB, -6dB.

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The same thing with the track 7 (channel SR)

Now if that is DOLBY DIGITAL 6.1 :)

[SealTooGreat]

OK... You've mixed SC into SL&SR created from VST VI.I. But this doesn't change the fact that DD EX encoder is the ONLY ONE how will write EX flag into SL&SR. Again, V.I is enough for DOLBY DIGITAL EX, don't bother with VI.I unless you have 6.1 discreet capable DD encoder or you are simple satisfied with WAV_7ch.

[tebasuna51]

OK... You've mixed SC into SL&SR created from VST VI.I. But this doesn't change the fact that DD EX encoder is the ONLY ONE how will write EX flag into L&SR.
Also the free Aften encoder can write the flag with the parameters:
-xbsi2 1 -dsurexmod 2
(2 = Dolby Surround EX encoded)

Again, V.I is enough for DOLBY DIGITAL EX, don't bother with VI.I unless you have 6.1 discreet capable DD encoder or you are simple satisfied with WAV_7ch.

For me is enough also V.I, but maybe can be used in special cases.

[SealTooGreat]

Also the free Aften encoder can write the flag with the parameters:
-xbsi2 1 -dsurexmod 2
(2 = Dolby Surround EX encoded)
When I've said DD EX encoder is the ONLY ONE I've meant that EX surround(during playback) comes from EX matrix/flag, not from mixing SC into SL&SR. Mixing SC into SL&SR can only enhance or reduce quality of SL&SR, no more no less. For EX's stuff DD EX encoder(commercial or opensource ) is responsible.

For me is enough also V.I, but maybe can be used in special cases.
As far as I know, for DD EX you need wav_5.1ch, the EX rest is a flag.

[tebasuna51]

When I've said DD EX encoder is the ONLY ONE I've meant that EX surround(during playback) comes from EX matrix/flag, not from mixing SC into SL&SR.
But, what do you thing is the EX matrix? Only the adequate mix of three channels (SL-SC-SR) in two phisical channels (SL'-SR'), at encoder time, to be supported by the 5.1 discrete channels of the standard ac3.
The same procedure than Dolby ProLogic (4/5 logical channels in two phisical channels).

If the adequate mix is obtained and the flag is set, a DD EX decoder can recover the 7 channels. Off course with less quality than a 6.1 discrete channels system, because the matrix mix method is not perfect.

[SealTooGreat]

But, what do you thing is the EX matrix? Only the adequate mix of three channels (SL-SC-SR) in two phisical channels (SL'-SR'), at encoder time, to be supported by the 5.1 discrete channels of the standard ac3.
You didn't understand me. I was referring on unnecessary Elektra999's mixing SC into SL&SR before feeding it to encoder.

If the adequate mix is obtained and the flag is set, a DD EX decoder can recover the 7 channels. Off course with less quality than a 6.1 discrete channels system, because the matrix mix method is not perfect.
You mean to obtain adequate mix before encoding and than set the flag? Isn't it encoder job to set adequate mix and flag at encoder time?

[tebasuna51]

You didn't understand me. I was referring on unnecessary Elektra999's mixing SC into SL&SR before feeding it to encoder.

You mean to obtain adequate mix before encoding and than set the flag? Isn't it encoder job to set adequate mix and flag at encoder time?

But seems the ac3 pro encoder in SoundForge 9 don't accept 7 channels (6.1), only 6 (5.1). Then the mix proposed is a workaround to obtain 5.1 EX without a true 5.1 EX encoder.

[SealTooGreat]

^That's^ why I've said V.I enough. I didn't say that Elektra999's workflow is wrong. And workaround can also be just deleting SC, too.
Do you know any EX encoder who will except 7 channels?

[Elektra999]

Hello
SealTooGreat,
This is a File.test (http://rapidshare.com/files/33870171/Test7eng_-3dB.rar) DD EX of 7 channels: FL, FR, CENTER, LFE, SL, SR., SC. Worked with Sony Sonud Forge 9, to-3dB channel SC.

Thank you Tebasuna51 for the file.test

[SealTooGreat]

I don't get it what this File.test has to prove? (although is working fine)

[ACrowley]

Now im a little bit confused ;)

Direct Information from http://www.dolby.com (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/tech_overview.html)
Dolby Digital EX (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_ex.html)
Dolby Digital Surround EX (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_surround.html)

Taken from www.yamaha.co.jp (http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av/guide/referrences/index.html)
Dolby Digital EX:
Dolby's latest surround format, this is Dolby Digital with an added center rear channel. The rear center channel is actually matrixed into the two rear channels, and is extracted upon playback. (Formerly called Dolby Digital Surround EX, or Dolby Digital Matrix 6.1.)
...so DD EX = DD Surround EX ...and EX is just matrix-encoded flag and nothing more.

Conclusion, if you want to encode to DD EX you only need 5+1 ch, 'cause DD EX sound mix is not encoded as true 6.1 audio. In DD EX capable encoder select: "Digital Surround EX encoded". Depending on your decoder(if it's EX certified) and speaker configuration (6.1 or 7.1) you will get EX 6.1 or EX 7.1 surround, respectivelly, during playback. :cool:

Help me to understand...2 Questions :

1. When i decode DD EX to wave i get 6 mono Waves, right ?
L R C LFE SL SR, Or is it possible to decode it to 7 mono waves ?

2. When i want encode DD EX ,i need "6 mono waves" as Source .Theres no real phy. SC Channel. The Source is only L R C LFE SL SR
Then simply set the EX Flag and the Matrix "generates" a SC Channel from SL/SR by using psycoacoustic filters ?

- "OR" is there a "real" phy. SC Channel wich will be "5.1" matrix encoded into SL SR .So i need "real" 7 Channels as Source .
The i set the Encoder to EX and the 5.1 Output is encoded with SC into SL SR ? The Decoder "extract" the SC to 6.1 Output while Playback?

What is correct 1 or 2 ?

PS,
Sry for my bad English

[tebasuna51]

@ACrowley (BC = Back Center an so on)
At first time you need a source with 6.1 channels then:

6.1 -> (matrix encode BL-BC-BR -> BL'-BR') -> 5.1 -> (AC3 EX encode) -> ac3 5.1 EX

The encode have two phases and the decode is similar:

ac3 5.1 EX -> (AC3 decode) -> 5.1 -> (matrix decode BL'-BR' -> BL-BC-BR) -> 6.1

1) Of course you can obtain 7 mono waves if apply the two phases (maybe with PowerDVD or similar) because you need play the 7 channels also in PC not only with a receiver.

If you decode with azid or NicAc3Source only obtain 6 channels because the matrix decode is pending.

2) At first time you need 7 physical channels FL-FR-FC-LFE-BL-BR-BC but if you have already matrix encoded BC in BL'-BR' you can use the ac3 encoder directly setting the EX flag.

[ACrowley]

OK THX, now i understand :)

My Target is :
"Sources : DD EX and DTS ES 6.1

1. Decode it to "7 CH mono waves"
2. Timestretch 25-23.976
3. Encode 7 mono waves to DD EX 5.1 SonyVegas ( 6.1 record Project)

I can use my Audigy2 ZS Built in Decoder for DD EX and DTS ES 6.1 :

- Playback with NeroShowtime (with HDDVD/BR Plugin) select SPDIF in Options .
- Set Audigy2ZS Decoder to SPDIF and DTS ES/ DD EX "On" and 6.1 Speakers
- Sony Vegas 6.1 Project ,recording all (already)mapped 7 Channels through Creative ASIO Input
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4187/sshot4as3.th.png (http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot4as3.png)

But i would prefer dumping to 7 CH through Graphedit. Especially it looks like Creative Decoder applies DialNorm and even with DRC disabled the DynamicPeaks are very low.
It works fine on DTS ES 6.1 Discrete :
DTS/AC3 Source-CyberlinkAudioDecoder-Wavedest-Filewriter #cyberlinks own decoder set to 7CH. Output is 7 seperate mono Channles

However, maybe working with full Discrete 7 mono Channles makes more Sense when i have a Encoder to encode to a 6.1 Discerte Format, and i dont have :)

[Elektra999]

Hello Tebasuna and ACrowley

VST Cicle Surround II, works the channels discretes.
Dolby Surround EX-(6.1) the channel SC, has to be a channel Matrix, not discrete.

My Encoder DTS Pro Series or DTS HD Master Audio, it allows, the channel Matrix or discrete.

I am, trying to create a new method 6.1, with Cubase 4 and Sony Sound Forge 9, but, I still have much that to be employed at this. When some day obtains it, I promise to do another guide :)

[ACrowley]

I am, trying to create a new method 6.1, with Cubase 4 and Sony Sound Forge 9, but, I still have much that to be employed at this. When some day obtains it, I promise to do another guide :)

Lucky guy....wish i could work with dts pro Series or better DTS HD Master Suite too :) Would be a Dream, i can only work with Surcode

[Rck60s]

Will sound forge do 5.1 as well for DTS or should I stay with Audition 2.0

[Elektra999]

- Surcode DVD DTS, work to 16/44100 and 16/48 - Files Padded or DTS WAV in DTS 5.1
- DTS Nuendo, work to 16/44100, 16/48 and 24/48 - Files Padded or DTS WAV in DTS 5.1
- DTS Pro Series, work to 16bits/44100/48000, 20bits 44.1, 88.2 (I believe) for HDCD?, 24bits/48000/96000
DTS 2.0, 2.1, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1, 6.0 or 6.1 - Files Padded or DTS WAV.

- DTS-HD Encoder™: (http://www.dts.com/pro-audio/mas_prodspec.php)

DTS Stream Types:

DTS-HD Master Audio™, "bit for bit" variable bitrate with embedded core of DTS Digital Surround® constant bitrate up to 1,509 kbps.
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio™ constant bitrate from 2046 kbps up to 5,760 (Blu-ray Disc) or 3,018 (HD DVD) kbps.
DTS Digital Surround constant bitrate up to 1509 kbps for DVD-V and DVD-A, 1,234 kbps for Music CDs, Sub / Secondary Audio low bitrate streams.


Channel Layout Support:
Up to 6.1 ch. for DTS 5.1 Music Disc
Up to 6.1 ch. for DVD-V & DVD-A
Up to 7.1 ch. for Primary/ Main stream for Blu-ray Disc / HD DVD


Downmixes:
7.1 to 5.1
5.1 to 2.0 channels (Stereo)


Sample rates:
44.1, 88.2** kHz for DTS Surround Music CD*
48 and 96 kHz for DVD-V and DVD-A
48, 96 and 192 kHz for HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc
12, 24, and 48 kHz for Secondary / Sub Audio on HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc.

[Elektra999]

Dolby TrueHD (http://www.dolby.com/professional/pro_audio_engineering/solutions_dvd3.html#tech)

is a lossless audio technology designed for the new high-definition packaged media. Only Dolby TrueHD guarantees lossless HD audio playback from every HD DVD player and from supporting Blu-ray Disc players, and Dolby TrueHD also offers the most efficient lossless coding available. It supports up to eight channels (7.1-channel surround) of 24-bit/96 kHz audio, with expandability to accommodate more channels in the future while retaining compatibility with all Dolby TrueHD decoders. (For fewer than eight channels, Dolby TrueHD allows sampling frequencies as high as 192 kHz.) Dolby TrueHD gives content creators new capabilities to position sounds for the most realistic effects. And with audio playback that is bit-for-bit identical to the highest-resolution studio masters, listeners experience sound as stunning as the high-definition picture.

Demo for Mac (http://www.dolby.com/professional/pro_audio_engineering/download_DMP_demos.html)

[guada2]

Hello Elektra999,

Lucky guy....wish i could work with dts pro Series or better DTS HD Master Suite too Would be a Dream, i can only work with Surcode ACrowley

A little question:
Have you tried to encode a true DTS HD MA? and perhaps listen a track..

:thanks:

[Elektra999]

Hello Elektra999,

ACrowley

A little question:
Have you tried to encode a true DTS HD MA? and perhaps listen a track..

:thanks:

Not, I am waiting for " DTS SAS Upgrade from DTS Pro Series Encoder ", until the year 2008, I will not have, DTS HD Master Audio.

DTS Pro Series, Maximum resolution 24/96 DTS 5.1 y 6.1 ES.
DTS HD Master Audio, Maximum resolution 24/192 7.1

[Rck60s]

Will the V.I. plug ins work with Sound Forge 9.0?, also can you create surround files like with Adobe audition? I tried to find the multitrack option like in audition but got lost...Is there a walkthru or guide anywhere on this or Vegas?

[Zaim7890]

hi can sum1 help?

after i create track, it's playing a bit faster than it should. i tryed pwerdvd/nero showtime both the same, only plays faster after encoding.

also after i create these tracks how i can burn them (keeping the audio untoched) so that it will play back on my dvd recoder/player

thanks

[Zaim7890]

ah i have found out what app can burn the ac3 files to dvd with untouched audio!

use AudioDVDCreator, this keeps the RC channel, on my amp when i used nerovision only 6 channels showed up, and when i tryed AudioDVDcreator it showed 7 channels.

[Elektra999]

Hello
Track AC3 5.1 is 16/48000 for DVD-Audio, not for CD-Audio.
CD-Audio 16/44100, The AC3 of Aften and the AC3 pro of SF9, do not work well in AC3 44100.
For CD-Audio, It would have to be an AC3 wav, Aften and Sony Forge 9 not work in AC3 WAV.

[Zaim7890]

do u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder

[Terranigma]

if u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder it would be appreciated alot if u could host it rapidshare etc:)

That's against the rules. Obviously you haven't looked at it before you made your post. :scared:

[Elektra999]

if u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder it would be appreciated alot if u could host it rapidshare etc:)

Je je je

[ACrowley]

if u have the DTS Pro Series Encoder it would be appreciated alot if u could host it rapidshare etc:)




But i can tell you he will not upload anything to rapidshare etc.
Also the dts Software is Dongle Protected..so without a Donge and valid License you cant use it

Theres no cracked Version from dts pro Series and dts hd master suite out there..surely

[Elektra999]

Yes,
DTS Pro Series KEY USB - WIBU USB (http://wibu.com/wibukey_02.php?lang=en)

DTS HD Mater Audio KEY USB - ILOK USB (https://www.ilok.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/iLokManager)

:)

[Zaim7890]

Yes,
DTS Pro Series KEY USB - WIBU USB (http://wibu.com/wibukey_02.php?lang=en)

DTS HD Mater Audio KEY USB - ILOK USB (https://www.ilok.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/iLokManager)

:)

ok sry, what are those links for...

[Zaim7890]

Hello
Yes,
- Dolby Surround EX, channels SL, SR, CS Matrix
- DTS ES Matrix, channel SC Matrix
- DTS ES Diiscrete, channel SC Discrete.

- Plug-in SRS Circle Surround, channels Discrete, Dolby Surround EX channels Matrix, this is the reason of the error in Sony Sound Forge 9.

- Plug-in VI.I, channels Matrix, authoring in Sony Sound Forge 9, to export one WAV 8 channels a Sony Vegas 7e.
- Delete track 8
- Encoded Dolby Surround EX in Sony Vegas 7e, very good results, yes Dolby Surround EX with VI.I perfect ¡¡WOOWWW!!
Proyect 6.1 Sony Vegas
http://rapidshare.com/files/30696328/VI.I_6.1.rar
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3176/guia05at7.jpg

hi, could u re-upload that V.i.i 6.1 plz, cant find the 6.1 onthe net.

curruped file, so wont extract plus its ony 1kb

[Elektra999]

Sorry for el time
Proyects Surround for Vegas (http://rapidshare.com/files/66335950/Surround_Proyects_Vegas.rar)

Of you interest, it is 6.1 Surround

[Zaim7890]

thanks Elektra999 :)

umm when i create the 6 wav files with SRS VST,and save em usin dolby pro encoder, and when played back Dolby digital EX 6.1, the rear centre spkr works normally but the rear left/right cant here anythin frm em, jus a lil bit very very low, its not my settings on AMP, cuz when i swtch to 5.1 rear left/right spkrs work properly, its only happening with this. any ideas. Not my amp cuz i play moves/dvd-audio disks and 6.1(dolby D ex/DTS 6.1 ES) works perfectly.

hope u can help

[Elektra999]

Hello

Dolby Digital 6.1 / Dolby Surround EX, the channel Surround Center, is a channel Matrix is not Discrete, ¿OK? :)

SRS Circle v1.0.1, the channel Surround Center is a channel Discrete, then, it can not work with the encoder Dolby Surround EX, which is why you have this problem.

This is my guide with Sony Vegas 7 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1059487#post1059487) and with the plug-ins V.I, that, in this guide if is a Doby Surround EX :), with SRS Circle and is not Dolby Digital 6.1.

Greetings :)

[ACrowley]

So, wait,the 6.1 record Project with 7 Channels will not work or what do you mean ?
The DD Pro Encoder ignores the SC Channel or what ?

I mean i have 7 mono waves and load them into each Channel.

Then encode the 6.1 record with Vegas8 Ac3 Encoder Pro to DD EX

The encoding works correct, Ex flag is encoded and i have SC in Playback..looks ok for me ?

[Elektra999]

The question is, that, the channels of SRS Circle, are channels discretes. A Dolby Digital 5.1 if it can be employed well with SRS Circle, but, in 5.1.

Dolby Surround EX (6.1), is a channel Matrix, not discrete, for this reason, the mistake exists commented for Zaim7890.

The Dolby Surround EX (6.1), has to be with a channel SC Matrix, never discrete.

[Zaim7890]

ah ok, i thought it would still work the SC bein discrete, but i understand. :)

and just to confirm, if i use Vii 6.1 and encode it will i still get the same prob.


thanks for ur help.

[ACrowley]

THX Elektra

i understand ..i thougt the DD EX Encoder encodes the 7 mono waves and the SC via matrix into 5.1
So the encoded DD EX is physc. 5.1. I know ,ofcourse not discrete.
And the decoder with EX Setting "unpacks" the SC out of SL SR to 6.1 Output

[Zaim7890]

i recently re-installed Soundforge 9.0C as it stopped working, i reinstalled it, rebooted loads forge and inported file (drag and drop) dont evything, click save as and it wont save using dolby pro or studio it jus says : theres no template available for this format. plz could u help.

here is a screenshot:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=problemwithforgefa6.jpg

[faiqj]

I am using sound forge 9 as per guide I am ok till 6 mono files after using srs circle sound but when I do save as in dolby digital pro it does not give me the format option and I cannot make the file exactly according to the guide in dolby digital surround. By the way it does show in plug in chainer sony ac3 decode but does not work I also have sony vegas 8 pro but I cannot find the ac3 encoder. Can somebody help.

[Elektra999]

My version of Sony Sound Forge 9, is legal, for this reason (AC3 Pro) it me works and to you not ;)

You can use WavToAC3 v1.1 (http://www.thefrontend.net/EncWAVtoAC3/index.html) for the Dolby Digital 5.1 and 6.1 :)

[faiqj]

Thanks elektra I am using the 30 days trial version. Please confirm whether wavtoAC3 will work within soundforge program or separetly.

[Elektra999]

Thanks elektra I am using the 30 days trial version. Please confirm whether wavtoAC3 will work within soundforge program or separetly.

Separately

[ACrowley]

Thanks elektra I am using the 30 days trial version. Please confirm whether wavtoAC3 will work within soundforge program or separetly.

WavtoAC3 is a GUI for Aften !
It has Nothing to do with Sonys AC3 Encoder in Soundforge/Vegas

When you want to use the Sony AC3 PRO Encoder, you have to buy Soundforge or Vegas. PLUS the AC3 PRO Encoder ( seperate online purchase via Plugin)
Soundforge/Vegas is bundled only with the Consumer AC3 Encoder

You can use Aften with WavtoAC3 Gui..its free and delivers superb Quality :)

[Elektra999]

To use WAvtoAC3 v1.1, it is not necessary to use Aften GUI.
I have installed the installer of WavtoAC3 v1.1 Win32.

[faiqj]

You people have been very helpful. Kindly also advise which other dolby digital encoders or DTS encoders works within the sound forge program and how.

[Zaim7890]

elektra it used to work b4, i uninstalled it cuz the app stopped workin, now reinstalled it now pro encoder wont show?

[Zaim7890]

anyone used (VST-SRS Circle) with Sony Acid pro 6?

[Elektra999]

anyone used (VST-SRS Circle) with Sony Acid pro 6?

I don´t know...
I do not use ACID Pro v6

[Zaim7890]

I don´t know...
I do not use ACID Pro v6

hmm, ok thanks :(

[Zaim7890]

what abt Sony Vegas pro 8. how can u use the VST SRS Circle pro Decoder. could u make a guide oh how to use ^^ ^^ ^^

thanks

[faiqj]

Can anybody guide how to further enhance the 5.1 channel files made with sound forge by adding some additional effects on the different speakers may be at rear channels or front.

[Elektra999]

what abt Sony Vegas pro 8. how can u use the VST SRS Circle pro Decoder. could u make a guide oh how to use ^^ ^^ ^^

thanks

Yea
I believe that yes

- Chosse File / Proyect 5.1 Surround, Best, 16bits, 48.000

- Import track audio stereo

- Click Green icon, Remove 3 the plug-ins; Track Noise Gate, Track EQ and Track Compressor.

Note; Not to touch the Surround Panner, for default it is to 0dB.

- To Add, SRS Circle Surround, and in the button Center BacK, presss in Off.

- Chosse File / Render As... export audio...AC3 Pro, WAV's, etc...

[Zaim7890]

Yea
I believe that yes

- Chosse File / Proyect 5.1 Surround, Best, 16bits, 48.000

- Import track audio stereo

- Click Green icon, Remove 3 the plug-ins; Track Noise Gate, Track EQ and Track Compressor.

Note; Not to touch the Surround Panner, for default it is to 0dB.

- To Add, SRS Circle Surround, and in the button Center BacK, presss in Off.

- Chosse File / Render As... export audio...AC3 Pro, WAV's, etc...


ah, kwl, thanks, i tryed the above but when i play back i can here the voice in all 5 spkrs?
but then i left the 3 plugins that were already there, could they be causing that ^^. (Track Noise Gate, Track EQ and Track Compressor.)

- To Add, SRS Circle Surround, and in the button Center BacK, presss in Off. u mean turn rear centre off right?

thanks alot for ur help:)

[faiqj]

Hi,
Lot of people discussed and shared for making stereo to dolby digital surround but I am unable to find any topic that how to burn ac3 dolby digital pro files to cd or dvd audio which software to use which can burn the original files without converting them to any other format. Pls help

[Zaim7890]

Hi,
Lot of people discussed and shared for making stereo to dolby digital surround but I am unable to find any topic that how to burn ac3 dolby digital pro files to cd or dvd audio which software to use which can burn the original files without converting them to any other format. Pls help

use DVDAudioCreator. for AC3 files

[faiqj]

Thanks Zaim. One more thing I observed that surround files made with sound forge, that the most of the sound coming from center channel with the medium level in the front channels but you hardly notice if rear channels have some sound. Did anybody notice that or if there is any solution that you could raise the volume at rears to listen some sound from the rear channels.

[Zaim7890]

hi Elektra999, in soundforge using SRS Circle sur VST, can you do just 5.1 insead of 6.1?

i tryed Vii but the seperation of the sound isnt as good as the SRS is.

[7saigon5]

Hello
Sony Sound Forge 9a, with AC3 Encoder Dolby Surround EX 6.1

00. Menu / Options / Preferences / Audio, Select ASIO4ALL (http://www.asio4all.com/) / Apply / OK.

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/47/image00vl5.jpg

01. Menu / File / Open track stereo.
02. Menu / Process / 32bits float / OK.
03. Menu / Process / DC Offset / Preset (Remove DC offset scan entire sound file) / OK.
04. Menu / File / Properties.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/5462/image01ju0.jpg

Apply / OK.

05. Click (green - arrow)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9052/image02ia5.jpg

to look for plug-in appropriate: Circle Surround / VI.I,… Add / OK.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9472/image03lg5.jpg

06. ClicK (arrow - Image) Processing selecction.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2520/image04zl1.jpg

It will begin to process, in minutes, we will have 6 wav mono.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/381/image05yh1.jpg

Track 1 = FL
Track 2 = FR
Track 3 = Center
Track 4 = Surround Center
Track 5 = SL
Track 6 = SR
Track 7 = LFE, but we did not create it, since, in Audio Service we will mark Enable LFE

07. Menu / File / Save Ass...

- Dolby Digital AC3 Pro
- Click Custom

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5195/image06hf2.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8827/image07nb2.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7639/image08mh6.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8524/image09kg2.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4628/image10fs7.jpg

OK and Save

DOLBY SURROUND EX 6.1 :)

I have tried SF 9 with SRS CS pro VST to create 6 mono Wav to encode in LtRt in stereo and I wanna know how can I save the discreate mone multiple of there 6 channels in SF 9?
Regards,

[7saigon5]

This is cool!But how did u separate the SC(surround center) to be encoded in the DTS Pro series for 6.1 channels?Please give instruction how to.Thanx!

[tebasuna51]

Save as multichannel wav file, instead ac3, and use WaveWizard to split in monowavs.

[7saigon5]

Thanks brother!

[Elektra999]

This is cool!But how did u separate the SC(surround center) to be encoded in the DTS Pro series for 6.1 channels?Please give instruction how to.Thanx!

- Chosse File / Properties / Proyect in mono,...
- Select channel (SC) number 4 (SRS Circle Surround, proyect) / Edit and press Copy.
- Paste in proyect mono.
- Chosse File / Save Ass... mono / 16 bit,....

[7saigon5]

Thanx!But when u wanna encode these monos channels in Lt Rt then you just bring the SRS encoder up and press the process button right?

[raquete]

i have seen people posting against the rules calling for cracks.
advice: read the rules.

@ moderators:
edit, delete posts(include this here) but please, don't close this important guide.
:thanks: