Here's a scan of the bottoms of my DVD-R's. What's wrong?

[Hamburglar]

I am currently using Taiyo Yuden DVD-R's to burn whatever I have to burn, as I know they are good quality, and to maybe help a problem I've been having. But even after buying those top quality DVD-R's, I am still having this problem.

Here is a scan of the last 3 DVD's I've burned (they are all the exact same data that was burned, an ISO of a DVD if you care)

http://members.aol.com/filesftp/dvdr.jpg

As you can see in the first one, it looks like a good, normal burn. The last two are ugly, ugly burns, with completely totally different levels of dye colors all around. It almost looks like the inside of a tree stump so you can count the rings to see how old a tree is. It's really aggrivating the hell out of me because ALL three DVD-R's are from the same Taiyo Yuden batch, all three were burned at the same speed, and all three were burned using Nero. The only difference one is the good looking DVD (top) was burned a few days ago. (However that is irrelevant I think as I didn't do anything to my PC since then)


I've been trying different brands and they all do this. Getting a good looking burn like the top one is completely a crap shoot. I've tried different brands, different burning programs, different speeds, different types of files. The only differences I see are I either get a perfect one (top in scan) or if I start changing things around like burn speeds or programs, the ugly ass rings will just be in different spots (like you can see, the rings aren't identical in the middle and bottom DVD's).

I even tried unplugging two of my hard drives in case a bad power supply was doing this. But I have a high quality 600 watt one, but tried it anyway. Did not help.

I have a Pioneer 111D. I am ripping my hair out here, and would appreciate any help big time. My PC is a Windows XP machine with a p4 2.4 and 2gigs of ram.

Thanks in advance..

[setarip_old]

You might want to try running a DVD/CD cleaning disc on your burner. Maxell makes one that sells for approximately $10US...

[Hamburglar]

You might want to try running a DVD/CD cleaning disc on your burner. Maxell makes one that sells for approximately $10US...

This made no difference.

[DaChew]

the tyg02's are genuine?

TYG02 8x DVD-R (batch code: GGxxxxxx)
bright light inner hub data side

labeled made in japan?

nero burn log?

[Hamburglar]

the tyg02's are genuine?

TYG02 8x DVD-R (batch code: GGxxxxxx)
bright light inner hub data side

labeled made in japan?

nero burn log?

GG007033

Made in Japan (according to Rima.com)

[DaChew]

imgburn or dvdd burn log?

what ide drivers are you using?

[Hamburglar]

imgburn or dvdd burn log?

what ide drivers are you using?

Not sure what you mean by IDE drivers, but here is my imgburn log:

I 12:21:10 ImgBurn Version 2.2.0.0 started!
I 12:21:10 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 12:21:10 Total Physical Memory: 2,096,620 KB - Available: 1,730,552 KB
I 12:21:10 Initialising SPTI...
I 12:21:10 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 12:21:11 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD±RW!
I 12:21:37 Operation Started!
I 12:21:37 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\COMPUTER\Desktop\DVD.iso
I 12:21:37 Source File Sectors: 2,294,912 (MODE1/2048)
I 12:21:37 Source File Size: 4,699,979,776 bytes
I 12:21:37 Source File File System(s): None
I 12:21:37 Destination Device: [3:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 8.19 (D:) (ATA)
I 12:21:37 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x)
I 12:21:37 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888
I 12:21:37 Write Mode: DVD
I 12:21:37 Write Type: DAO
I 12:21:37 Write Speed: 4x
I 12:21:37 Link Size: Auto
I 12:21:37 Test Mode: No
I 12:21:37 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 12:21:38 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 12:21:40 Writing LeadIn...
I 12:22:11 Writing Image...
I 12:36:33 Synchronising Cache...
I 12:36:52 Image MD5: 0043d80c3d70f90787522adb7cb6fdf1
I 12:36:52 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:15:15
I 12:36:52 Average Write Rate: 5,324 KB/s (3.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,642 KB/s (4.1x)
I 12:36:52 Cycling Tray before Verify...
I 12:37:14 Device Ready!
I 12:37:14 Operation Started!
I 12:37:14 Source Device: [3:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 8.19 (D:) (ATA)
I 12:37:14 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x)
I 12:37:14 Image File: C:\Documents and Settings\COMPUTER\Desktop\DVD.iso
I 12:37:14 Image File Sectors: 2,294,912 (MODE1/2048)
I 12:37:14 Image File Size: 4,699,979,776 bytes
I 12:37:14 Image File File System(s): None
I 12:37:14 Verifying Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 2294911)
I 12:43:36 Device MD5: 0043d80c3d70f90787522adb7cb6fdf1
I 12:43:36 Image MD5: 0043d80c3d70f90787522adb7cb6fdf1
I 12:43:36 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:06:22
I 12:43:36 Average Verify Rate: 12,015 KB/s (8.7x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 17,381 KB/s (12.5x)

[kmac61]

i think burn rings are something that can occur on dvd-r's maybe due to burn speed changes during the burn. If their not affecting playability I wouldn't worry. Try some +r media (I've never seen rings on +r's)

[Hamburglar]

i think burn rings are something that can occur on dvd-r's maybe due to burn speed changes during the burn. If their not affecting playability I wouldn't worry. Try some +r media (I've never seen rings on +r's)

Yeah, rings on +R as well

[DaChew]

burn times and write rates look good

but your firmware looks like a first release

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2220

go for the 8.29
boot into safe mode after extracting and flash the empty drive

try a burn at 8x?

[Hamburglar]

Burned at 8x with 8.29 firmware. Same thing.

Can this be a power related problem? PSU overloaded maybe?

[DaChew]

test with the dvd burner on the shortest power lead all by itself

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

download and install everest and post this part of the sensor
report

Sensor Properties:
Sensor Type Winbond W83627THF (ISA 290h)
GPU Sensor Type National LM63 (ATI-I2C 4Ch)
Motherboard Name Asus A8V Series

Temperatures:
Motherboard 22 °C (72 °F)
CPU 25 °C (77 °F)
GPU 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU Ambient 26 °C (79 °F)
DW CDW63G0-D00NF0A 36 °C (97 °F)
Seagate ST3250823AS 35 °C (95 °F)

Cooling Fans:
CPU 2596 RPM

Voltage Values:
CPU Core 1.44 V
+3.3 V 3.28 V
+5 V 5.11 V
+12 V 12.16 V

[CWR03]

It's certainly possible that your DVD burner drive is failing.

[Surf]

It is also possible that you need not worry about it....

If I am not mistaken, Pioneer uses this specific strategy, something called ZCAV(zone something something, don't quote me!). Watch the progress in IMGBURN, the first minute or two, it won't burn beyond 6x....then possibly at that(burn) mark, the speed starts to climb to whatever speed you have chosen...8x, 10x, 12x.

"I 12:43:36 Average Verify Rate: 12,015 KB/s (8.7x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 17,381 KB/s (12.5x)"

You may confirm what I said by reading the disk through Nero's CDspeed...

[setarip_old]

@Hamburglar

You haven't stated whether they playback properly or not...

[jeffy]

I would check the media with Nero CD-DVD Speed, tab ScanDisk, if it really is 100% readable:
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/

Please, report back.

[jeffy]

I found some more information about these rings:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=197906

Quotes::thanks:
Using AnyDVD/CloneDVD with Taiyo Yuden TYG02 DVD-R media have burned numerous (over 75) DVD backup copies and NONE of my backup copies have any “ring burns on the bottom of the disc”.

I was able to get rings one time when I burned a TY +R 8x media on my 111L at 12X by mistake. Possibly you are burning at MAX settings?

It depends on the media chosen and the write-strategy used, such as CLV, ZCLV, CAV or PCAV.

As I have stated I have burned close to 100 DVDs and absolutely NONE of my Taiyo Yuden TYG02 DVD-R media have “ring burns on the bottom of the disc”.

[Hamburglar]

I actually think I fixed it.

I noticed my hard drive making the noise like it was turning on and off, and my PC froze. I moved around the molex connectors all around my PC, and the rings no longer appear. It must have been a power failure related problem?

[setarip_old]

Congratulations on resolving your dilemma!

However, I'm still curious to know if the "ringed" DVDs play properly...