VTS_01_1.VOB three times on DVD

[Musi]

Dear All,

I have a DVD which shows the File VTS_01_1.VOB three times in the directory.

What kind of copy protection is behind this?

How can the software DVD-Player reach the data in each of these files, if all have the same name?

Looking forward to your comments.

Best regards
Musi

[blutach]

Lemme guess (rubs crystal ball). Silent Hill, Das Parfum or Wer frueher stirbt, ist laenger tot (German versions)?

These DVDs have illegal authoring and are proving difficult to crack. Silent Hill is beaten by RipIt4Me - see here (http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=71817).

The other 2 are yet to be cracked, although I have seen reports that DVD Fab Decrypter 3.0.2.0 can do a movie only of them. As well, a poster (wolfy26) has submitted a working PSL file for doing Wer frueher in this thread (http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=78470) but you will need to import it manually into DVD Decrypter and it seems it also does movie ony.

Good luck with these illegally authored DVDs.

As far as playing the DVDs on your software player, I think you are out of luck. Software players rely on filesystems to be intact. This is what makes these DVDs illegal - they can not be played on licensed DVD (software) players.

Regards

[Musi]

Thanks blutach,

You are right: we are talking about "Das Parfum".

It is quite funny to use this kind of protection without having any warning on the DVD box saying "Does not play properly on a SW DVD Player" (and maybe even some standard DVD players). I think this is kind of cheating the customer.

I was expecting that - since everybody is now moving towards HDDVD and BlueRay - the industry is not paying any more time and money in developping new kinds of copy protections for "simple DVDs". I think I was wrong.

I even wonder if law in Europe would allow to repair a DVD that is damaged like this one by copying it, so that it can be played on a SW-DVD player.

Regards
Musi

[blutach]

I think this is kind of cheating the customer.
I agree with you and urge you, and all other purchasers, to return this defective product to the stores for a full refund. That way, the greedy studios will get the message that people have a right to play their purchased product. Disgusting practice by them, if you ask me.

Although we are not a legal forum and as such do not give out legal advice, I would think your legal remedy would not be to break the very restrictive laws German laws regarding copying DVDs, but rather to seek and obtain a refund of your purchase price.

Regards

[setarip_old]

@Musi

I do not have access to the DVDs mentioned, but I'm curious to know if (as I've done with other DVDs) you can use "RipIt4me" in ".ISO" mode to make a true 1:1 copy, including the protection scheme,and burn it to a DVD9...

Also, do these DVDs bear the "DVD Video" logo?

[greath]

Out of curiosity I rented Perfume from the video shop today. I don't know if they have special permisson, but the logo is the DVD logo and underneath where the oval shaped bar is that has VIDEO on DVDs they had VERLIEH which is German for rental. I wonder if they have officially sanctioned this as a new DVD format?

[setarip_old]

@greath

Just to be certain, since you refer "Perfume" and not "Das Parfum", did you rent the German or an English version?

Does it have the same copy protection as described in thsi thread by "Musi"?

[greath]

@greath

Just to be certain, since you refer "Perfume" and not "Das Parfum", did you rent the German or an English version?

Does it have the same copy protection as described in thsi thread by "Musi"?

It was the German version - it's just I'm not German so referred to it as it's International name. Yes, it did have the same protection at a cursory glance, i.e. 3 x VTS_01_1.VOB so the file structure was not correct when looked at through Windows.

[blutach]

You should be aware that the latest version of AnyDVD claims to be able to rip these DVDs. You can download a (30 day?) trial version at www.slysoft.com

Regards

[setarip_old]

@Musi, @greath

You might want to communicate this apparent abuse of requirements for using the "DVD Video" logo to:

DVDFormat/Logo Licensing Corporation
Daimon Urbaist Building 6F, 2-3-6 Shibadaimon, Minato-ku, Tokyo, 105-0012, Japan

email - info@dvdfllc.co.jp

[greath]

@Musi, @greath

You might want to communicate this apparent abuse of requirements for using the "DVD Video" logo to:

DVDFormat/Logo Licensing Corporation
Daimon Urbaist Building 6F, 2-3-6 Shibadaimon, Minato-ku, Tokyo, 105-0012, Japan

email - info@dvdfllc.co.jp

Tried to send you a PM with the disc image but you can't recieve PMs. Send me a PM and I can reply with it.

[setarip_old]

There's no need to send it to me. If you want to, you can send it to the licensing entity (That's why I posted their contacts) together with your observation about the DVD contents...

[Musi]

Dear All,

Today I crosschecked the DVD directories of my own DVD "Das Parfum" with the rental DVD "Das Parfum" (both single DVD boxes).

Just for your info: the structures of both are exactly the same and both DVDs do not play on software DVD players.

Anyway - I have decided to keep the DVD (not trying to return it) as I really like the movie. Unfortunately I now have to stick to my DVD Player... or does anyone know a SW DVD Player playing these "damaged" DVDs?

I hope that someday one will invent a way to copy all these wrong structure DVDs, because this will be the only way to bring the manufacturers of DVDs back to "legal and fair" copy protections. What they do today - without warning on the DVD box - is cheating their customers!

Regards

Musi

[blutach]

I heard privately from a poster that the latest AnyDVD will do this movie only and rip the VOBs, but crashes when reconstructing the IFOs.

You could use IfoEdit (http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/) to recreate the IFOs from the VOBs.

Regards

[evdberg]

These DVDs have illegal authoring and are proving difficult to crack.

As far as playing the DVDs on your software player, I think you are out of luck. Software players rely on filesystems to be intact. This is what makes these DVDs illegal - they can not be played on licensed DVD (software) players.

The DVD specs state that a player should use the UDF filesystem to locate the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. All other files should be read relatively from this file and using the offsets found in the IFO files. So a player relying on the filesystem does not comply with the specs ...

[blutach]

@evdberg

So it seems. These corrupt systems still have VIDEO_TS.IFO intact and in particular, a VMG_TT_SRPT table intact. The rest of the filesystem seems junk.

Regards

[HyperHacker]

So then who's wrong? The player designers for not following the spec or the disc designers for abusing the inconsistency?

[greath]

I guess that the player designers didn't think that Microsoft's file system would not be complient with DVDs. The only way would be for the software players to write their own file system, much the same way as AnyDVD does now.

[frank]

Das Parfum (PAL, german)

Windows shows fully wrong file system.

VIDEO_TS.IFO 30 kb wrong - VIDEO_TS.BUP 18 kb right

The morons hacked the .BUPs !!
VTS_01_0.BUP 1.048.574 kb the rest 8.000 kb

3 x VTS_01_1.VOB 1.048.544 kb

2 x VTS_07_0.IFO 1.000.000 kb Fake, TS7 is not needed


That's fully out of specs!


AnyDVD from v6.1.3.1 up corrects the copy:
.bup processing disabled
removed wrong dvd structure
removed invalid program chains
removed bogues title set
removed 3 bad sector protections
UDF filesystem patched Oh my god!

Don't buy such crap!:mad:

[greath]

Just out of curiosity, how do you know that a .IFO is wrong and a .BUP should be used? Does a .IFO have a checksum/CRC or do the players only use the .BUP if the .IFO physically cannot be read. In that case the VIDEO_TS.IFO, if it can be read, must be correct....

[frank]

After decrypting the used VIDEO_TS.IFO has 18 Kb.
Players use .BUP in the case when reading of .IFO was not successful.

Ok, I should have look closer...

[setarip_old]

A week has past without response, since I originally posted this question in this thread, so I'll once again ask:

I do not have access to the DVDs mentioned, but I'm curious to know if (as I've done with other DVDs) you can use "RipIt4me" in ".ISO" mode to make a true 1:1 copy, including the protection scheme,and burn it to a DVD9...