Same release, different regions: Why 100% Film vs. 95% Film?

[SausageofPower]

I've doing a review of an anime DVD and I own both the Region 1 release and the Region 2 release. Both are from 16mm film source (the Region 1 release did their own telecine from film instead of a master from a digibeta), but they give different Film/NTSC percentages. The Region 2 is 100% Film, whereas the Region 1 is 95% Film.

Why? I know if changes are made on the video version (like doing hard-subtitled credits) it'll cause such a difference, but the VOB's I'm scanning don't have anything of that sort. Is it a bad encode? Other explanation?

Thanks,
Corey

[neuron2]

Use the info box to see where the repeat flags are missing. Then you can get an idea if it is due to credits, or whatever?

[Mug Funky]

it'll still all be pure 3:2 pulldown. most likely the region 1 fed directly into a hardware encoder, where the region 2 used a software encoder.

the main difference being that encoding in software means the encoder doesn't have to look at 60 fields and determine if it's safe to use repeat flags - it has 24fps to work with from the beginning.

a hardware encoder is fed with SDI, which knows nothing of progressive frames. the encoder has to check fields against each other to see if it's safe to ditch any. if one of these encoders encounters an analog black scene, it'll have to assume 60i or it stands the chance of buggering up motion. also, if the telecine in question was on the blink somehow it could trigger the encoder to go 60i as well.

btw, what title is this?

[SausageofPower]

btw, what title is this?

The Region 2 is the Toei/Pony Canyon "Dragon Box Z Vol. 1" release from 2003, the Region 1 is the recent "DragonBall Z: Season One" monstrousity where they cropped the 4:3 image to 16:9 and wiped out all detail with horrible automated DVNR. I've been comparing the two, cutting comparison clips, and noticed the discrepancy.

-Corey

[Mug Funky]

ah, DBZ, huh? because FUNimation can never release it enough times :) (sort of like ADV and Eva).

in that case it's probably encoded in hardware after going through a DVNR box and having the details scrubbed out of it. most likely you're getting 95% film because the DVNR is working at 60i rather than 24p, and some subtle movement in 3:2 is getting smoothed out into something closer to 60i.

as neuron2 said, it'd be interesting to see which areas break out of the film pattern, and if there's a common theme to those scenes.

[SausageofPower]

No joke. At least ADV actually finishes EVA when they do one of their 1000 releases. FUNimation left fans holding the bag by releasing 251 episodes of 291 over the course of 6 years...then just abandoning those releases for these widescreen DVNR'd pieces of crap.

Explain this, if you don't mind. When they telecined the film, they did so at 24fps. Apparently, this was for an HD master (which was later downscaled for DVD...and yes, they DVNR'd an HD master to death which as you and I know makes no sense), so why would the DVNR box work at 60i? Would it scan at 24p, then hit DVNR which would do 3:2 pulldown, and then be converted back to 24p after the DVNR? I'm sorry, I probably sound like a dumbass, but I really wanna understand this.

And here I thought I had a decent working knowledge of DVD's. I've got a lot to learn ;p

Thanks,
Corey

[Mug Funky]

maybe they just used the SDI out on their HD deck and ran that through a standard def DVNR?

[SausageofPower]

Still, if it was scanned at 24fps, why would it go to 60i at any point? Sorry, not trying to be an annoying n00b.

-Corey