CCE 2.5 Gripe

[ftang]

Firstly, my apologies for this post as it has been gone over many times before...but never to my satisfaction.

I also urge the moderators *not* to lock this thread, I am not requesting.

DVD2SVCD is an *excellent* tool. Barring the CCE hangups mid way through encoding, it provided an easy, and more importantly, scripted tool to rip dvd's to svcd. I can go away and leave it unattended.

Imagine my horror though to find the CCE logo stamped on the resulting mpg's. 15 hours of encoding down the pan.

Still, only fair as I have the evaluation version of CCE.

This leads me to my problem. Follow this trail :

1) DVD2SCVD will only work with cce 2.5

2) cce 2.5 is *no longer available to buy* from cinemacraft. For all the moderators asking us not to request illegal software , what else are we meant to do?

3) the 'clue' in the readme results in a 404 (edit by mod.).

In summary DVD2SVCD is an excellent program, but for 90% of people whoh don't have a warez archive going back a few years / didn't have the forethought to buy 2.5 when it was available from cinema craft it is simply *Crippleware* and hence almost useless.

I ask for a comment from the moderators or the author of DVD2SVCD to ask what we can do about this situation? I've had to resort to the vastly inferior TMPG to encode my films . My reason for downloading DVD2SVCD in the first place was to get away from this.

All other responses to this topic have either been :

- topic locked
- don't request illegal software
- snigger snigger don't you know where to get it?

Well sorry, not good enough. I (and from reading many others) are perfectly happy to purchase 2.5 but its not available. I know many people who have downloaded DVD2SVCD with interest, and have fallen over at the same point. They too have returned to an alternate method of encoding.

Please, I implore the developrs to fix this situation else DVD2SVCD will swiftly lose the attention of most people who download it. Which would be a great shame because, as I've mentioned before, it is an excellent tool.

Comments from all are welcome (except ones that follow the standard generic responses above). Please don't run away from this issue, its the one thing thats making DVD2SVCD not be the premier encoding tool of choice.

[Infinite_stupidity]

I'm not sure what you wish to accomplish by this thread (and the unfortunate ones before it).

1. DVD2SVCD was designed to be an automation for the CCE method (at least thats my understanding), so using other tools to do the encoding would be kindof pointless, but not unfeasable. And it wasnt meant for those not currently using CCE (again, to the best of my understanding).

2. CCE 2.5 is the only one capable of reading avisynth scripts, this cannot be helped and its a very good possibility future versions won't be able to either. This is out of D2S's hands and stems from CinemaCraft not using standard windows routines to read av(i/s) files.

3. The site reffered to in the 'clue' is not controlled by anyone affiliated with DVD2SVCD in anyway (i think ;)) so its contents being down has nothing to do with him. Becuase of the illegal nature of such a site and its contents many are wary of hosting or even being affiliated with such 'warez'. Me, i personally dont give a rats ass, but im not going to do so in this forum (and i promise never to say anymore on that).

so in conclusion, if you dont have access to CCE 2.5 your SOL. Its sad that a great tool such as DVD2SVCD can't be used more freely, but life aint fair and copyright laws suck ass (at least when pertaining to a certain multi-thousand dollar program).

[dvd2svcd]

Well, my first and foremost reason to use CCE is that there isn't any alternative to the quality CCE deliveres, ask both doom9 and even better Robshot (who's a mastermind in this regard). And since newer versions of CCE doesn't support AVS file, so I have to use CCE 2.5. I can use CCE 2.62 together with VFAPI, but that will make everything extremely slow. So you see there is no really good alternative.

BTW, your statement about people loosing interest shows that you don't have a clue on how many copies being downloaded from my site everytime a new version is released, so don't use that as an argument, it doesn't stick.

[Sarcoptic]

If there is a such thing as internet crying I think you would be way beyond that point. DVD2SVCD has to be one of the best and easiest programs intended to help people like you and I. It was designed to make backups of your DVDs and obviously its working whether you have the logo or not. I started using the program a couple weeks ago and was able to find cce 2.5 pretty easy and it didnt take me whinning about it, instead I went out and used whats on the net, you know that thing called search engines. (edited by mod.) look on the net and irc. Eventually you will find someone to help ya.

[ftang]

Infinite_stupidity:

'so in conclusion, if you dont have access to CCE 2.5 your SOL'

'Access' ?! It's not available!! Of course i don't have access. There is no possible way for me to get access to it, legally at least. And even using dubious means its not exactly easy to come by. Again, this reply falls into the 'tough luck' category. Which isn't much help.

The 'clue' site I am fully aware is not anything to do with DVD2SVCD, but again this doesn't help me in the end goal of making DVD2SVCD actually work does it?

Again there seems to be double standards by the development team at work. Heres the program, but you need to get a commerical 2.5 to use it. We're not bundling it, but heres a fairly obvious clue as to its whereabouts. Its not there? oh sorry...don't bother requesting it on the forums or asking us about it..we don't support pirate software (despite giving you a link to it in the readme).

hmmmm

dvd2svcd :

'BTW, your statement about people loosing interest shows that you don't have a clue on how many copies being downloaded from my site everytime a new version is released, so don't use that as an argument, it doesn't stick.'

Perhaps, but if you could collate information on those who download a version to never return to update then you might find a downward trend.

Of course this is impossible to do, but your argument that people downloading the new version shows its popular also 'doesn't stick'. I myself only downloaded it a couple of days ago, but I don't make up part of the satisified users demographic. There will be many people downloading a new version simply because it is the first time they have downloaded the software. This is a moot point anyway.

I have to say I'm dissapointed by the content and tone of the two responses so far. I hope my initial post didn't come across as antagonistic, as it was not meant to be. I understand the reasons for sticking to 2.5 but this doesn't help anyone who downloads the program much.

The two responses were a tad more agressive than called for. 'SOL' 'you don't have a clue' and also fell into the generic categorys I asked people to to respond to in my initial post. So why reply?

Again I re iterate, DVD2SVCD is an excellent piece of software but its reliance on an obselete and more critically, unavailable piece of software makes it unaccessible to the majority of users.

The program itself claims that its best for 'newbies' to DVD to SVCD ripping but somehow having to obtain an unavailable commercial program in order to make it work doesn't, in my view, make it very accessible to newbies.

Again, any comments not falling into the usual categories welcome. Although I can envisage another wave of 'tough luck, if you don't like it don't use' responses, which I guess is fine and valid. But makes it no less frustrating for me and other people I know who are all being forced to going back to a more arcane encoding method. And who also feel misled by the 'newbie' tag placed on the software.

In the meantime, I will continue my hunt for 2.5. Thanks, regardless, for an excellent tool and I can only hope in the future than cinemacraft re enable avs support or that DVD2SVCD somehow manage to incorporate a way to disable the banner in encoding with the demo. (or I find a non legitimate 2.5 hmmm)

For those of you who *do* have access to 2.5 then I can only be envious of your ability to enjoy this program to its fullest, and I congratulate you for being a member of the 'elite' that seems to be required to use this newbie program.

[ftang]

Sarcoptic:

' it didnt take me whinning about it, instead I went out and used whats on the net, you know that thing called search engines. So instead of whinning and bitching use the resources and look on the net and irc. Eventually you will find someone to help ya.'

I'm not 'whinning' (sic) as I hopefully pointed out at the start of the post, I'm not making a request for 2.5 I'm simply pointing out that theres a glaring flaw in DVD2SVCD.

Again thanks for the semi agressive post and for the general lack of anything useful in the response. I'm glad you're elite enough to find it.

For your information (not that you care) I have searched the web for it, with precisely 0 luck.

[dvd2svcd]

You really should read this thread: http://rilanparty.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7770

Besides, I have NEVER claimed that DVD2SVCD is the best newbie SVCD program!

This will be the last entry from me, I have feeling this thread is going to be a negative one.

[Labersack]

DVD2SVCD is for people, who have all tools and don't want to do all steps by hand. If you don't have the tools, DVD2SVCD will not help you. Support for TMPGEnc will make it easier to get all tools, but will result in lower quality, so it not will be done.
So what is your problem?
If someone builds a big wide freeway near your home, will you call him and complain he didn't gave you a car?

[ftang]

Labersack :

'If someone builds a big wide freeway near your home, will you call him and complain he didn't gave you a car?'

No...not a very good analogy though. I possibly would complain if they built a freeway near my home but they decided to build it in such a way that a lot of poeple were unable to drive thier cars on it.
And then tell people that it was tough luck if their cars 'didn't fit' onto the freeway.

A slighty better, but still not very good analogy.

Again a non constructive reply...why did you bother?

Of my original queries no one has even tried to answer them, other than the standard replies of 'tough, if you don't like it don't use it' etc etc.

This is a problem that recurs with free software from any project.

The big argument is if its free do we (I) have a right to complain about it? Developers will say no...its free...tough potatoes, users will say yes. (in the majority of cases)

Again thanks for the non constructive post.

[mrbass]

obviously DVD2SVCD the programmer wasn't thinking about people like you so you could say he cares less and so do I. Your barking up the wrong tree. LOCKED.