Smartripper and HD rips

[nitro]

what I usually do when ripping is to copy to the hard drive first and rip from there, I now find that the new version of smartripper 2.41 is unable to do that. When I try and reload from the hd it insists on reading the dvd drive instead.

Anyone else found this and a work around for it?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Why the hell would you do it like that?!

NUTTER ALERT!!!!

lol

;p

[nitro]

For the simple reason of less wear and tear on the drive. Read the entire disc in one fast blast rather than read a chunk, do something with it, read another chunk, stop do something with it etc.

Even if you don't agree with what I am doing your abrupt and rude reply neither answers my query or displays any basic good manners on your part.

[Schultz]

If you are ripping the whole disc the programs are still reading a chunk , copying to harddrive and then reading the next chunk.. So you do the same wear and tear on the Drive as ripping just the part of the movie..

[Kedirekin]

Is it just me, or has the level of flipant, non-answer posts increased recently. It's really irritating. It must be the full moon.

nitro, that is my prefered mode of ripping too. I usually like to do multiple things with the full backup on my drive. Ripping it all at once just saves time in the long run.

Unfortunately I'm still using 2.26 (if it aint broke, don't fix it), so I can't answer your question either. Doesn't it display the GUI after you click the 'can't find DVD' message and let you select an alternate location?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

nitro & Kedirekin, get a sense of humor would you please!

Unless you have a very slow computer, you shouldnt find any difference in speed between copying the files straight to the hdd and decrypting on the fly.

You can test this theory if you like by using the latest version of my program v3.0.0.8. If the buffer fills up, it means your drive is reading quicker than your cpu can cope with...only if it reaches 100% would copying be quicker than decrypting on the fly. Of course copying them would still be slower overall because you still need to decrypt them. There is nothing to stop you doing a full backup of the dvd to your hdd without modifying the files (i.e. taking out the multiple angles, unwanted audio streams etc) - Just select all the files and click the decrypt button!

Hey, Im just trying to save you time!

[Kedirekin]

@lightning uk!

I wish I were more eloquent. I'd like to explain why I don't find your original post amusing, but I don't have the wording skills to get my points across. It'd just start a flame. So I'll drop it.

I appreciate your take on this, but I have to disagree. On my PC, rips from the DVD proceed at between 1.8x and 4.8x in SmartRipper. HD to HD rips proceed at 6.5x to peaks of 12x. I haven't used DVD Decryter yet (that's the program you meant, right), but no matter how much it uses buffers, it can't speed up an old 5x drive.

All humor aside, you do realize you still haven't contributed to nitro's question - you're still telling him (and I) not to do hd-to-hd rips. Now if DVD Decryter supports hd-to-hd rips, *that* would be a quick and easy contribution. I know vStrip does, but I can't recommend it because IMO the CLI is just too cumbersome.

[Zhnujm]

i have no problem using smartripper 2.41 for that. just choose the video_ts folder manually.

and before somebody asks about the use:

i rip the whole dvd in backup mode - after that i can:
- watch the movie with a dvd player (extras , menues and so on)
- rip the movie
- demux some ac3 files
- rip some extras if i need some

everything without having the disc in my dvd drive. ;)

[LIGHTNING UK!]

@Kedirekin,

I understand your point on hd to hd rips being quicker...but you obviously have to rip (copy) it from the dvd at some point - therefore making the whole 'ripping' process longer and harder than it need be.

Now I know that I am biased, but in all honesty DVD Decrypter is THE fastest ripper available. I have spent probably thousands of hours developing the numerous versions of it, many of those hours actually testing it. With it, I can copy (decrypt) a file from the dvd to my hdd, removing css and macrovision in the exact same time as it takes me to copy it using explorer.

All I ever hear is people asking for a tool that does 'everything' with one click of a mouse button..... that's why it strikes me as 'a little strange' that both yourself and nitro do the ripping process in two stages (or three if you include the initial drive authentication required for explorer to be able to read the disk) when it has pretty much always been possible to do it in one.

If you take into account what I have said, nitro's question no longer needs answering because dvd to hdd and then hdd to hdd ripping just doesn't make sense.

For future reference, yes, dvd decrypter v2 will rip from anywhere to anywhere. v3 on the other hand is based purely on low level ASPI (an O/S to CDROM interface) code and as such will only rip directly from the DVD drive.

vStrip has had a gui (designed by its author - maven) for several months now. The author of CladDVD has also created a very nice looking gui for vStrip that he calls CladMdec.

If I were you, I wouldn't go by that old saying: 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'. New versions are released to fix problems, many of which you (the users) dont even know exist! If there is a program that needs fixing then believe me....it's SmartRipper!

Let me guess....you're still running windows 98 - right?

I didnt realise this forum had become such a 'serious' place....lets not forget what we are actually doing here (ripping dvds)! Lighten up would you!

And hey, if you want to 'flame', go ahead...make my day ;)

[Kedirekin]

@Zhnujm,

Thank you for your post. I couldn't have said it better myself. I suspect there are a lot of us that prefer to rip an entire backup to our hard drive as the first step.

@LIGHTNING UK!

Your post saddens me. It sounds like you truly believe that ripping everything to the hard drive first is just plain wrong, when it's really just a matter of opinion and preference.

I'm glad your program (version 2) supports hd-to-hd ripping. I'm sorry to hear that version 3 of your program doesn't (that's the current version, isn't it). I'm sure there is a very good reason to use those low level aspi routines, or your wouldn't be doing it.

And as a matter of fact, I do still use Win98 (you can laugh in satisfaction now). Do you hold me in contempt for that? Can you guess if I use any other OS?

[Kedirekin]

BTW: to lighten this up a bit.

52 weeks * 40 hrs/week = 2080 hrs < :D >

[LIGHTNING UK!]

You're not the only one that has to work....I too, suffer from the '40 hours a week' bug that seems to plague people when they get older!

With regard to Zhnujm's post, I too believe it is much better to rip the entire dvd to the hdd. This is especially useful for people with region locked dvd drives that want to watch a disk from a region other than their own. I know when I first got my drive that is what I had to do.....sadly it was so new on the market that no rpc1 firmware existed :( I had to wait what seemed a lifetime for someone to release one!

[nitro]

To All:

I run WinXP, Athlon 1.4GHz, 512Megs, so a reasonably specced system. My dvd is a pioneer 106 region free. I have just done a test by copying the first vob of Caligula

Copy only 7m 47s
Rip/copy 8m 56s

Now I can rip from the hd at approx 12.5x so the hd rip takes 39 secs, plus the original 7m 47 is still less than the copy/rip.

Maybe I need a faster dvd? I don't know all I know is functionality that was there isn't now, and it now takes longer and puts more wear on my (only) dvd-rom drive.

I will try your program Lightning, but as per the previous comments I will be sticking to the 2.x release, forcing me to only rip from the dvd so in effect reducing the functionality of your program and my choice seems a strange way to go.

regards

[LIGHTNING UK!]

If u r going to do a straight rip from your dvd drive to hdd, i would really recommend v3. You will find it much faster. I see no reason for you to 'stick' to version v2.

Does it really take you more than 8 mins to rip 1 vob?! That is really slow...perhaps you should consider getting yourself a new drive.....call it a belated christmas present to yourself....you deserve it :)

[maven]

i've just been reading this thread and thought: it's not the end of the world, so follow lightning_uk's advice and lighten up...

on another note to lightning_uk:
what's wrong with their sense of humor? ^_^
and
do you include all 400- valid player keys in dvd-decrypter3?

i was thinking of implementing frank stephenson's attack to get all the player keys from the disc-key sector (of course this'd only have to be done once).

[nitro]

I tried ripping the same vob with dvd decrypter versions 2 & 3, 3 was quicker, by about 3 seconds in nearly 8 minutes! The buffer meter in v3 stayed resolutely at 0% throughout the entire process...perhaps I do need a faster dvd-rom.

[Kedirekin]

That does sound a bit slow. I ripped an entire 3.83 GB DVD earlier today in just under 13 minutes, and that's on a rather old 6x drive.

I've seen a whole pile of posts in this forum related to improving ripping performance, though I've never needed to, so I don't remember anything useful. Perhaps it'd be wise for you to browse for tips.

[nitro]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
That does sound a bit slow. I ripped an entire 3.83 GB DVD earlier today in just under 13 minutes, and that's on a rather old 6x drive.

I've seen a whole pile of posts in this forum related to improving ripping performance, though I've never needed to, so I don't remember anything useful. Perhaps it'd be wise for you to browse for tips.

Went into the bios and switched OFF udma, now ripping at 6.5x, no it makes no sense to me either, but I ain't complaining

[merinb3]

Does anyone know how to answer the original question? How does one use smartripper on HD? I would like to use it to rip out a chapter or cell of a ripped DVD...

:confused:

Thanks

[LorDHadeS]

Why why why???? I have to tend to agree with lightning on this issue. Just copying to HDD doesn't remove the decryption, so wtf is the point? Want the extras? The menus? The features? So, the only difference is that one version (all files copied) takes 15 seconds less than the other (ALL files copied AND decrypted). So, on one hand (hd-hd) you have an unwatchable movie that took 15 seconds less to get and causes you to have to do another step later, and on the other hand (dvd-hd) you have the same movie, 15 seconds later and have to do nothing more to it to watch it. I aint a rocket scientist and actually i consider myself quite dumb, but for 15 seconds, is all the work worht it? (Just think about it... i aint tryin to change ur mind cause i know some REALLY stubborn people and i get absolutely nowhere with them so i wont even try). So think about it... In the spirit of a lighter mood: STUBBORN PEOPLE NEVER WIN! j/k i dunno. The world is free (most of it and i wont name any names...) and so are you.

Hades:devil:
(a dvd-hd ripper)

[Kedirekin]

I think this thread is whacked because there is a basic misunderstandiung of what the original question was, and what it is we want do.

We *are* decrypting the DVD to our hard drives (the full DVD, using DVDDecryptor or SR in backup mode). We never said we weren't - you are assuming that.

Once we have the DVD on our drive, we use SR in movie mode to, for example, extract one episode of an anime or an extra for encoding via something like dvd2avi (which isn't ifo aware).

Please, before you thrash on someone for asking a question that you think is stupid, realize that you may not understand why they are asking (or even what they are asking).

To answer the original question,
- make sure there is no DVD in your DVD ROM drive
- make sure there is no video_ts directory off the root of any of your hard drives
- start Smart Ripper (it'll say there is no DVD, click okay)
- click the little folder icon next to reload in the upper right hand corner
- select the directory that contains the backup of your DVD (I think it has to be the full backup)

That should do it. If you're still having problems, please, please start a new thread. This one needs to die.