PC freezes half-way through AutoGK encode

[anonymous99]

Generally I expect to join a new forum and be pointed towards reading something all newbies should read.

However, I am having a problem with AutoGK and am unsure as to why it's happening.

The problem is whilst i'm ripping 4 various dvds (Already ripped to the harddrive..), They always screw up in the second pass and I don't understand why, The whole pc will freeze up and I was end up pressing the restart button and getting a half encoded xvid.

Plus the time it takes to rip is not what I would call outstanding, I used to use that dvdx program years ago and I could rip a dvd in around an hour with that program with perfect results everytime.

Again however I forgot how to rip and have been using AutoGK for a short while now as I am clueless with dvdx.

AutoGK is easy to use, I just don't know why it keeps freezing up as this is causing me great frustration I would be happy if somebody could finally help me out with this after waiting 5 whole days to be able to post.

I don't see the point in that as people will post as they wish anyhow, Although maybe it does protect against spammers who will advertise on the first day of registering.

Thanks to anybody who can help with this as I would really like to rip these into Xvid, I have successfully ripped around 10 dvds so far so I don't know why these won't.

Could it be something to do with copywrite stuff?

[BigDid]

...The problem is whilst i'm ripping 4 various dvds (Already ripped to the harddrive..), They always screw up in the second pass and I don't understand why, The whole pc will freeze up and I was end up pressing the restart button and getting a half encoded xvid.
Hi and welcome to the forum,

Please post your logfile(s)

Thanks to anybody who can help with this as I would really like to rip these into Xvid, I have successfully ripped around 10 dvds so far so I don't know why these won't.
You may want to have a look at the FAQ: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72679
or (re)read the tutorial: http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=Tutorial

Could it be something to do with copywrite stuff?
Yes it could be, specially with new movies; if so give Ripit4me a try with settings: 1click, movie only and use FixVTS with all VOBs: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=112939

Did

[jggimi]

"Freezing" half way through a pass is usually something OTHER than software, or content. It is usually hardware, related to heat stress.

You may want to take a look through http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=54130 and run several of the recommended stress tests.

In addition, your thread's subject (Newbie here...) doesn't cover the problem you are trying to solve -- You'll find this discussed in Forum Rule #9. I will take the liberty of changing your subject line to something more people are likely to read.

[anonymous99]

Thanks for the prompt response, I don't see how it would be hardware related if it works perfectly fine on other dvds.

This is why I was wondering what it could be because it only happens on certain dvds and at different times during the second pass.

The things I am trying to rip arn't exactly brand spankin' new so I don't think it would be something like that either, I could list the titles although I don't think that matters.

I will have to post a log file when I attempt another rip, At the moment I just delete them because they're normaly no use to me.

I'll get back to ya'll soon.

[jggimi]

If each attempt produces a freeze at different points in the 2nd pass -- then hardware is the culprit. If each attempt produces a freeze at exactly the same frame #, then your problem may be content related.

[anonymous99]

I just had a thought actually, Would shrinking the dvd with dvdshrink make it any easier/faster to rip?

I recently ripped a dvd which was around 1.5gb into a 699mb xvid file, It took half the time to rip so I presume it's the 1.5gb size difference from the normal 4.5gb+?

So if it was actually my computer which has a hardware issue, Maybe if I shrunk the vob files into smaller files, It would take less time to rip and wouldn't crash the whole pc when it gets somewhere into the second pass?

Just curious and figured it was worth a mention..

[CWR03]

I recently ripped a dvd which was around 1.5gb into a 699mb xvid file, It took half the time to rip so I presume it's the 1.5gb size difference from the normal 4.5gb+?
Were the two DVDs the same length? That's the main factor in encoding time.

You should investigate jgimmi's suggestions instead of trying to find a workaround.

[anonymous99]

I tried it again once I ripped a dvd to my hdd with dvdshrink and it failed earlier than it had before.

The stress tests really arn't something I want to use and i'm sure I can't be the only one whose had this problem before?

Also I forgot to save the log file this time too or I would have posted it.

Edit: May I also ask, Would changing encoding from Xvid to Divx make things run easier or would it most likely keep happening no matter what I encode to?

[jggimi]

...The stress tests really arn't something I want to use...What do you fear?... and i'm sure I can't be the only one whose had this problem before?*Many* people have had hardware trouble. That is why we have a FAQ for hardware testing.

[anonymous99]

I just prefer not to use alot of programs to test out my pc, Far as I know if it was my hardware then it would freeze on all my dvd's, not just a few specific ones and not always on the second pass.

Being that it only happens on about 4 of the dvds i've tried to rip I am assuming it's something to do with copywrite stuff or perhaps the format i'm ripping to.

I might try another program but I rather avoid that too because I like AutoGK.

[jggimi]

Would you be willing to try this test? You may have already done this, but I have not seen any statement from you regarding it.

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=957862&postcount=5

[anonymous99]

Would you be willing to try this test? You may have already done this, but I have not seen any statement from you regarding it.

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=957862&postcount=5

I thought I made it clear that the freeze point is random in the second pass but only on these specific dvds and not on any others and just when I get done with around 2-3 hours on the first pass it will get to the second pass and I will start to think i'm out of the woods but then it'll just freeze whether i'm using the computer to browse the internet or not.

From what I can remember it's froze once at around 9-10% (that was the last attempt) and once at 50% and once again before that at around 75% but that is only a rough guess.

As I said before I used to use dvdx and it would take around 1 hour to rip a good quality xvid/divx file yet with AutoGK it will take longer than that with just the first pass so I don't understand it.

I would go back to dvdx although I havn't used it in forever and I prefer AutoGK now towards that.

I don't think it matters either but the hardware has never, ever caused me any problems before as everything is brand new and fresh as of January 2007.

[jggimi]

Hmmmm... everything was working, and nothing has changed, except all of your hardware in January? :rolleyes:

Even an off-the-shelf PC fresh from the manufacturer can have stress related problems.

Your problem *is* indicative of hardware trouble.

I know you are unwilling to actually run tests of your hardware. But I do not understand your reticence. One of the tests, memtest86 is a stand-alone bootable application, from diskette or optical disc. The others can be easily installed and removed.

I believe 8-12 hours of memtest86, followed by 8 hours of prime95 will show you hardware problems, and has been discussed already, most problems with encoding are due to heat stress. Since you refuse to do this, I have one more suggestion, and it is my last:

Remove your PC's case, and aim a room fan at the components, prior to running AutoGK. I wish you very good luck.

[BigDid]

Hi,

Or try ORTHOS which can stress
- the cpu
- the ram
- both cpu and ram

and has better gui/window-feedback than Prime95: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/385

One example: I have a new config actually in test, tried the RAM speed at 166Mhz -> had Orthos blend test errors; got it back to 200 Mhz -> no more errors :)

You never know what can happen

Did

[CWR03]

I thought I made it clear that the freeze point is random
You did not, but this fact eliminates the source material as being the problem, regardless of whether it does it only on certain disks.
I don't think it matters either but the hardware has never, ever caused me any problems before as everything is brand new and fresh as of January 2007.
The fact that it's new is meaningless to whether or not it can withstand the stress caused by a long encode. I've bought plenty of hardware that was bad right out of the box.

I've had issues pretty much identical to yours which turned out to be hardware-related - nothing else will cause your system to simply freeze and need to be reset or rebooted and not even log an error. You should do the stress tests and find the problem while it's still under warranty.

[jeffy]

I agree with other members here, no matter how hard it seems to believe, there are many people who bought motherboards DOA (dead on arrival), memories DOA, faulty memories, faulty PSUs (power supply units), faulty hard drives, systems with inadequate cooling (bad design by a manufacturer), systems sold as solid and stable, yet not able to withstand the stress tests.

I myself bought memory modules which proved to be tricky from the very beginning (random restarts), yet it withstanded MemTest, but not for long. After some time passing it, there came a day when it froze while MemTest was running. That was the last sign before I decided to RMA them.

You can do as I did, simply download the zip file, unzip it, take the ISO file and burn it to a CD and boot your computer from it. http://www.memtest.org/download/1.70/memtest86+-1.70.iso.zip

As soon as you can see any errors, you SHOULD start worrying. The memory mentioned above caused also hard drive corruption, so I was unpleasantly surprised to find some of my files corrupted :( . Unless you have the latest backup or another source, there is no way to get them back.

If memory is fine, try running Orthos mentioned above.

If anything is faulty, RMA it in time.

Anyone else who shares the same opinion?

The decision is, of course, purely yours.

[teamare2006]

i am having the same problem wit the AutoGK 2.40 Stable ver
my pc get freez
when i tries to convert the multiple job (2 DVD) the first one is done properly but when it goes to convert the second DVD every time it comes to the running first phase the pc get freez it convert the audio properly everything properly but only when it comes to firstphese the PC get freez
when i try to convert the same DVD Single Job its convert properly
the problem only happens only when i put Multiple Jobs

[jeffy]

i am having the same problem wit the AutoGK 2.40 Stable ver
my pc get freez
when i tries to convert the multiple job (2 DVD) the first one is done properly but when it goes to convert the second DVD every time it comes to the running first phase the pc get freez it convert the audio properly everything properly but only when it comes to firstphese the PC get freez
when i try to convert the same DVD Single Job its convert properly
the problem only happens only when i put Multiple Jobs

Is it an overclocked PC?

[teamare2006]

Is it an overclocked PC?



so how do i solve the problem

[jeffy]

so how do i solve the problem

I said it clear.... is the PC overclocked.... set over the factory settings? If yes, then it might not be adequately cooled or is simply not able to sustain the high load produced by encoding.

If overclocked, return to stock values and retry or lower the overclocking a bit. If it fails with stock values, there might be some hardware problem, bad memory, failing hard drive, whatever...

[BigDid]

Is it an overclocked PC?
so how do i solve the problem

Hi,

By answering the question cause:

A/ stock speed -> see posts related to hardware malfunction

B/ Overclocked -> Goto stock speed
At stock speed, is encoding OK?
Yes -> diminish overclock until stable
No -> see A/

Did

Edit: I typed while jeffy was answering so I haven't seen his post until posted mine :)

[jeffy]

Hi,

Edit: I typed while jeffy was answering so I haven't seen his post until posted mine :)

:thanks: Happens often :) maybe your is even better worded!

[teamare2006]

i am using intel plentium 4HT 3GHz wtih 512mb ram and D865GBF motherboard and my motherboard confrigation is on default i had not overclocked nor made any changes to acclerate my hardware

[jeffy]

i am using intel plentium 4HT 3GHz wtih 512mb ram and D865GBF motherboard and my motherboard confrigation is on default i had not overclocked nor made any changes to acclerate my hardware
Thanks for the info. It might be overheating... watch your temperature when encoding. Do you know how?
Intel Active Monitor
or SpeedFan
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs-012552.htm
http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php

The memory might be bad, check http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962040#post962040

[BigDid]

:thanks: Happens often :) maybe your is even better worded!
I should do it more often, I could have less translation problems :D

Thanks for the info. It might be overheating... watch your temperature when encoding. Do you know how?
Intel Active Monitor
or SpeedFan
or Coretemp which logs the temperature in a text file: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/

Did

[teamare2006]

Thanks for the info. It might be overheating... watch your temperature when encoding. Do you know how?
Intel Active Monitor
or SpeedFan
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs-012552.htm
http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php

The memory might be bad, check http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962040#post962040

thanks jeff for your help
i found the problem, my pc is overheating
i used the software SpeedFan and it shows me that my CPU temperature is more than 72°C when i use AutoGK

[anonymous99]

I'd just like to add, I have just finished testing out ImTOO DVD Ripper and this doesn't freeze up at all and is much faster (1 to 2 hours or so..) the only problem is the audio was bad sounding and the picture was blocky.

I'll keep trying programs until I find one which does the job as well as AutoGk.

[setarip_old]

the only problem is the audio was bad sounding and the picture was blocky.Is there anything else that really matters? ;>}

[FishTank]

lol.. speed i guess @setarip =)

2-3 hours is ok imho. 10-30 hours and i would stop using agk :D

[anonymous99]

So last time I requested help here I felt I was being told the wrong solutions and thought some of the advice was slightly abrupt and I was being told that I had to do what was being suggested so I figured forget it and look elsewhere which is where I found out about ripit4me.

Anywho.. I'm using AutoGK again after working around the problem I had before, although now, I am getting a problem where I have 2 custom made dvd's and I would much like to rip them into XVID.

I have tried several times now to convert both and always results in the same problems.

The first problem that occured is AutoGK would just disapear and it would look like nothing was running on the desktop, looking at the task manager would also show, nothing was running and that AutoGK exited of it's own accord.

The second problem I noticed once the first one stopped was that shortly into the encoding around 20% to 30% I would get an explorer error asking me if I want to send a report or not even though nothing else is running on my pc at all, I cancel all virus protection as I don't use the internet whilst I am encoding.

Another problem that only happened once with these two dvd's is that my pc restarted itself in the middle of encoding?

The last time I had these problems I used "RipIt4Me" to rip the dvd's to my pc then encode and it worked great, now, it just doesn't work the same as it did with the other dvd's.

In short, is there a program which might rip differently to my pc and therefor increase chances of a successful encode process?

I even tried shrinking the dvd once it was ripped to the pc but that didn't work, I figured the smaller the file the faster the encode which is usually the case but still resulted in errors when I tried.

Suggestions and help welcome.

[setarip_old]

@anonymous99

Hi!

The three primary problems you've described smack of your system overheating. Open your computer and eliminate all dust bunnies, grease, etc, including any accumulations on your fan(s) and heatsink...

[anonymous99]

@anonymous99

Hi!

The three primary problems you've described smack of your system overheating. Open your computer and eliminate all dust bunnies, grease, etc, including any accumulations on your fan(s) and heatsink...

Thanks, although this has been done many times as I like to keep my computer clean inside & out, but it doesn't solve the problem fully.

Also why would it do this on some dvd's and not others?

[setarip_old]

Also why would it do this on some dvd's and not others?Too many possibilities - How long the computer's been running at a particular point in time, how intense the "crunching" is for a particular DVD, physical condition of the particular DVD, what sign of the zodiac you were born under - Anything is possible when it comes to computers ;>}

[jggimi]

I have already offered all of the advice on this subject that I am going to. Instead, I am going to address the social difficulties you mentioned.

You have felt under attack. I apologize. And, on behalf of all of the other forum members who have posted here, I apologize. None of us meant to cause you to feel that way. You came to us with a problem, seeking advice.

Those of us with an interest in helping you attempted to offer many suggestions, all related to what you had reported to us as a system instability. You were very clear that you disagreed with our suggestions. And, you also told us that you would not test your system as we had recommended.

We do not blame you for having problems with AutoGK, nor are we brushing your problems aside. We were all trying to help you, to the best of our ability.

This is not an "AutoGK help desk." There isn't one. This is a subforum within Doom9's Forum, where those with spare time and interest are willing to help others, based upon their own experiences. Here, we are focused on GK and AutoGK application use and function. We are volunteers, just trying to share our knowledge about what works and what doesn't. And even if it didn't seem to you that we were trying to help, we were trying to help.

Based on your most recent experience that you've reported, it seems that you still suffer from system instability. As moderator, I have decided to move your thread to our PC H/W and S/W forum, where you may be able to obtain additional advice and assistance in solving your system instability issues.

Your problems, we believe, are not AutoGK related, but instead just manifest themselves when you happen to use it. If, as you suggest, it is only AutoGK that causes you problems, then please seek out an alternative encoding suite.

If it can be shown that your problems are actually AutoGK related -- and that has not happened yet -- I would be pleased to move this thread back.