Copied DVD-RW won't play on stand-alone

[sundance]

After following Derrow's guides to create a DVD with just the main movie files I always end up with a DVD-RW that plays perfectly on my PC with WinDVD but when I put it in my stand-alone (Pioneer DV-444) it won't. I know the Pioneer can deal with DVD-RWs so this can't be the problem. I tested with two movies ("The 6th Day" and "Anatomie", both RC2). Also tried to add an empty AUDIO_TS folder.

Recorder: Pioneer DVR-103
Recording-SW: VOB Instant CD-DVD v6

Is there something I missed?
Any help would greatly be appreciated...

-sundance-

[MickeyNBK]

What does it do? My Panasonic sometimes will read RWs and other times won't (the same disc too). Is it giving you an error?

[TheBaron]

I am also working with Pioneer DVR-A03, VOB InstantDisk 6, Pioneer DV-444, Smartripper 2.41 and Ifoedit 0.8.

My problems are quite the same: one-to-one copies of DVDs < 4.7 GB are working fine while movie-only copies do not. The reaction is always the same, the player stops after a few seconds.

Although I tried several things recommended within the board (add a AUDIO_TS folder, create dummy VIDEO_TS.VOB and VTS_01_0.VOB) I was not very successful - except one case where I got a bugfix from Derrow (wrong fps value) and added the original VIDEO_TS.VOB (Predator US version). But this is not a verified method as it worked with one specific DVD and not with other ones.

So there is definitely something missing which original DVDs have and movie-only copies using VOB Extras don't.

It would be interesting to know some examples of successful Software/DVD/Player combinations for the movie-only method.

Any advices?

TheBaron

[DJans]

Ahhh, it seems that I am not the only one who had these problems. In my view, it depends on the burning software. All people said VOB works and Nero works. I downloaded both (trial) and used them.

On my DVD+RW drive nothing worked when I make movie-only DVDs! I think there was no combination of settings I did not try. I think I burned my DVD+RW 50 times or more. The DVD player stops after reading a few seconds on the DVD+RW. But it did identifies the medium, because the DVD lamp was on.

First I thought my player was not compatible with DVD+RW. Then I tried MyDVD with a simple MPeg file, the first DVD+RW that was accepted by my Kenwood player. Then I draw a conclusion that something must be missing on my DVD+RWs.

Now I use B's recorder (that was enclosed to my burner) and if I make an empty AUDIO_TS folder, then all the video-only images and test images (thank you a thousand times for this fast test, mpucoder!) will be accepted. (Sorry for repeating myself in this forum).

So the problem must must by caused by the burner software, but in combination with the kind of medium beeing used.

Now my question to the professionals: Is there something different on rewritable media? Maybe another sector structure or something else? I wonder why VOB or Nero works fine with DVD-R (like everybody says) but not with DVD+RW or DVD-RW.

[Nevada426]

I've had the same problem with Jurassic Park 3 pan-scan version. Works great in PowerDVD XP but not in my Sony DVP-NS900V, I was looking at the VTS_o1_0.IFO and where it tells you the display size it says (not specified perm.display), could this be the problem? The other two movies I've done work fine in every DVD player I've tried.

[sundance]

@MickeyNBK: Symtoms here are the same as the others reported: The player loads the medium, starts to play (while displaying a blank screen) and after 2 or 3 seconds it return into stop mode. No error displayed.

@TheBaron: I use exactly the same hard- and software (versions) that you do.
DVDs < 4.7GB: Sorry, I can't do such a test since none of my DVDs are below that limit. I tried to analyze the IfoEdit generated IFO files (VIDEO_TS.IFO and VTS_01_0.IFO) and they appear correct to me (although I have to admit that I don't know to much about the inner structures of IFO files...).

@DJans: I'd like to check your results, too. Is there a trial of B's Recorder available? (But I've to admit that I don't understand what Nero/VOB do different than other writing software).
So (when you take Baron's experiences into account) it seems that it not only depends on the writer/recording software combination but also what you record (since 1:1 copies that Baron made worked with Nero (Baron, did you record your 1:1s on DVD-R or DVD-RW?).

But: Regardless what writer/recording software/media was used: When you author a DVD from scratch (I did that, too), it played flawlessly on my Pioneer. Strange thing...

-sundance-
:confused:

[Derrow]

You are using the old version of VOB Instant CD/DVD.

Go and get the update for VOB Instant. The update is from 7-Dec-2001.
It will fix your problem.

BTW: This prob only apears, when using my function to just copy the Movie without menu.

Same problem happens with older Nero versions. So if you're using Nero, get at least v5.5.6.4
It will work 100%

Everybody, who still has problems getting their DVD-RW to work with a settop player, please send me the created IFO's, and I'll check that out.
derrow@yahoo.com

[Nevada426]

I used Nero version 5.5.6.4, and burned to a Pioneer brand DVD-R. All the other movies I've done with IfoEdit work, only Jurassic Park 3 seems to have a problem. How do I send you my created ifo's? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Derrow]

Originally posted by Nevada426
How do I send you my created ifo's? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Does Jurassic Park maybe contain angles?

Anyway, just pack the IFO's to a zip file. call it 'Jurp.zip', and send them as attachment to my email-address I posted in above thread.

[DJans]

@Derrow:
Sorry, Derrow. Nero (5.5.6.4) does definitely not work with my DVD+RWs! I tried the same images that work fine with B's recorder! If burned with Nero, my standalone reads a few seconds on the DVD+RW and "says" NoPlay.

[TheBaron]

To sundance: Derrow was right. I upgraded VOB InstantDisk to the newest version.

After that I was able to make a movie-only copy with the 'ifoedit'-method which worked immediately in my Pioneer Dv-444 - even after I reempeged the movie to 75 % and remuxed it with ifoedit.

This really rocks!

Thank you, Derrow, for this crucial hint. There is a document 'Burning a DVD with VOB Instant CD+DVD v6' on your website. Maybe it is a good idea to set a hint concerning the appropriate version at the beginning of the page.

The Baron:cool:

[sundance]

I can confirm that!
Thanks a lot Derrow, you really made my day...
After upgrading to v6.0.2.169 of InstantDisc both of my movie-only DVD-RWs played on the Pioneer.
Despite I still don't know what the new version did better I'm really happy... :D

@Baron: Have you been satisfied with the qualitiy of the transcoded output of ReMPEG? There's an interesting thread in this forum using CCE instead with gives a much better quality and speed...

Thanks to everyone involved
in solving this problem.

-sundance-

[Derrow]

Originally posted by TheBaron
There is a document 'Burning a DVD with VOB Instant CD+DVD v6' on your website. Maybe it is a good idea to set a hint concerning the appropriate version at the beginning of the page.


You're right. I will update that imidiatly.

Great that it works now for you guys.

[Derrow]

Originally posted by DJans
@Derrow:
Sorry, Derrow. Nero (5.5.6.4) does definitely not work with my DVD+RWs! I tried the same images that work fine with B's recorder! If burned with Nero, my standalone reads a few seconds on the DVD+RW and "says" NoPlay.

This is strange. Seems to be a different problem there.
But I don't have an answer right now for that.

[Vulcan]

I can't get my DVD+RW's to work when burned with Nero (someone said that Nero doesn't produce the right UDF/IFO version) but they work when burned with RecordNow (the latest version and not the old version that came bundled with HP DVD 100i. There is an update at HP website). Although RecordNow states that it works best with CD-R it also works with DVD+RW. Drag and drop the audio_ts and video_ts folders and burn as a data disk.

[rmtaibo]

I have HP dvd+rw like Vulcan and Djans...

If you have windows XP and burn your image with Nero (any version)
sometimes your dvd+rw inserted in your computer, you will see an icon named DVD-ROM in My Pc.

If you burn your DVD+RW with hp RecordNow or B's recorder you will see an icon just named DVD in My Pc (DVD-video).

So there are differences between Nero and (RecordNow or B's) burning method on DVD+RW media

dvd+rw made with Nero 5.5.6.4 (UDF/ISO) doesn't play in my Philips standalone.
dvd+rw made with RecordNow does play in my Philips standalone.
(same disc image but recorded with different burning software)

[Haywire]

Just to add to the thread.

Nero 5.5.6.4 - Works on XBox, Sony S550D but not on Panasonic A330

Prassi PrimoDVD 2.0 (With Latest Updates) - Works on XBox, Sony S550D but not on Panasonic A330

I use a Pioneer A03 burner with ROM 1.65 (1.55 was giving me a lot of problems on standalone playback)

Heres what I notice. When I put in a DVD made with Nero into my Sony, I hear a lot of (laser)head movement. And it usually takes about 2 to 3 seconds for the movie to start playing (Movie mode not 1:1)

With the PrimoDVD made DVD the movie starts to play *right away*, under 1 second and NO (laser)head movement.

I guess Nero dosen't really conform to UDF standards?

[Discoboy]

Also to add to this thread.
I am using a Pioneer A03 burner with ver. 1.65 firmware to burn DVD-RW and DVD-R media.

Nero 5.5.6.4 - Works on PC with WinDVD, PowerDVD etc and Pioneer DV535 but NOT on Philips DVD612 or a PSX2.

VOB instant CD/DVD (latest Ver.) - Works on PC with WinDVD, PowerDVD etc and Pioneer DV535 but NOT on Philips DVD612 or a PSX2.

RecordNow MAX Ver. 3.01 - Works on ALL units i.e. PC with WinDVD, PowerDVD etc, Pioneer DV535, Philips DVD612 and the PSX2 (DVD-R only for PSX2).

So RecordNow MAX is the best all-round solution for me.
:)

[TheBaron]

@sundance:

to answer your question concerning reempeg: the quality of the movie (predator 2, PAL version) was really excellent. I was not able to verfify a significant loss. But it took a long time: about 10 hrs with a Athlon 800/256 mb where memory seemed not be a problem. I read an article where it took about 5 hrs with a P4 1,7GH.

I cannot say anything about other methods (LSX, CCE, BBMPEG, TMPGENC) because I did't work with them yet. All I can say is that LSX is not much faster because I transcoded a 30 minute DV movie and it took about 3 hrs (average data rate 6 mbit/s, maximum 9 mbit/s).

The Baron

[sundance]

@TheBaron: I think I give ReMPEG a try with "What Women Want" on the nightshift...

@Discoboy & Haywire: Where did you get the firmware update for the Píoneer?

sundance

[Discoboy]

Sundance – From the Pioneer Europe support site page: https://www.pioneer-eur.com/support/#fdvdrom

[Equinoxe]

i get the same problem you guys are getting when i make a movie only copy with ifoedit..

My pioneer505 unit plays the dvd-rw fine, but my panasonic dvd-rv20 doesn't just says "no play" on the lcd.. now i know it works with DVD-RW because i have made a one to one copy of a dvd-5 and its fine.. just anything that has been ifoedited won't work??

Any help?

I use IFOEdit 0.8 and Prassi PrimoDVD 2.0 for burning, is there a update for this software?