Set to Output ISO Image File-System Froze?

[coodbe]

I had the mode set to "output to ISO Image File" but it only completed the encode and did not automatically create an ISO image. I also checked "Select ISO output options and checked "delete files after successful ISO creation". I also had "one click mode" selected and enable "output directory".

I don't understand about how to check about the MKISOFS PROGRAM to see if that has been done correctly.

On previous versions of Pro I was able to do an ISO creation. Its been updated several times since then. That was about a year ago. I also recently ripped a regular Video_Ts file and burnt a DVD.

I have Rebuilder installed. The temporary file is loaded. Here is the log file.

[00:37:03] One Click encoding activated...
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[00:37:32] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.21.0
- AVISYNTH 2.5.6.0
- CCE 2.70.1.15 encoder selected.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode (50%) is enabled.
- Source: GRUDGE 2 (UNRATED)
- VTS_01: 2,211,772 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 155,050 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 125,231 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 14,660 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 43,027 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 5,060 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 29,677 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,487 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 43,992 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 5,160 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 155,359 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 18,273 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 231,259 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 27,135 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 176,031 sectors.
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-- Processed 20,644 frames.
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- VTS_10: 202,426 sectors.
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-- Processed 23,754 frames.
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- VTS_12: 39,156 sectors.
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-- Processed 4,560 frames.
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- VTS_15: 37,370 sectors.
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-- Processed 4,373 frames.
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- VTS_16: 93,052 sectors.
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-- Processed 10,914 frames.
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- VTS_18: 51,569 sectors.
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-- Processed 4,605 frames.
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- VTS_19: 51,163 sectors.
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-- Processed 4,575 frames.
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- VTS_20: 50,393 sectors.
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-- Processed 4,575 frames.
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- VTS_21: 35,661 sectors.
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-- Processed 3,225 frames.
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- VTS_22: 50,743 sectors.
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-- Processed 4,545 frames.
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- VTS_23: 51,337 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 4,634 frames.
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- VTS_24: 26,321 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 1,940 frames.
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- VTS_25: 48,832 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 4,505 frames.
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- VTS_26: 28,246 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 2,615 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_27: 51,389 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 4,575 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 45.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,211/1,769Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,997,756KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 41.8%
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,453/400/1,769 Kbs
[00:58:12] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 21 minutes.
[00:58:12] Phase II ENCODING started
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[03:15:49] Phase II ENCODING completed in 137 minutes.
[03:15:49] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...

[jdobbs]

You're missing the most important parts of the logfile -- the part at the end where it shows what happened with the ISO file creation.

[coodbe]

You're missing the most important parts of the logfile -- the part at the end where it shows what happened with the ISO file creation.

I setup Rebuilder at about 12:00AM and sat watching the log until the preparation was complete and then went to sleep. When I got up at 6:45, it appeared to have stopped where the log ended. I shut it down. I have a 3.02GB file in the temporary files. Can I do anything with it? Can it be processed any further with Rebuilder? The whole process should have been completed, correct? Usually it processes in about four hours. I don't know what went wrong. Perhaps I should have not shut it down. I was in a rush to get to work.

[jdobbs]

The log says it was only running for 158 minutes... it looks like your system may have frozen.

You can go into 3 click mode and select REBUILD. It will do the last portion, which should take about 15-20 minutes.

[wmansir]

Please edit your thread title to more clearly represent the thread topic.

[coodbe]

The log says it was only running for 158 minutes... it looks like your system may have frozen.

You can go into 3 click mode and select REBUILD. It will do the last portion, which should take about 15-20 minutes.

Any idea what may have caused this to happen?

[setarip_old]

Hi!

One possibility would be overheating, another could be a power interruption...

[coodbe]

The log says it was only running for 158 minutes... it looks like your system may have frozen.

You can go into 3 click mode and select REBUILD. It will do the last portion, which should take about 15-20 minutes.

I tried to access the the temporary file in the REBUILD step but a message popped up and said "does not contain DVD material". The title of the file is "D2VAVS". Here is a capture of a portion of the material in the folder in the attachment:

[coodbe]

The log says it was only running for 158 minutes... it looks like your system may have frozen.

You can go into 3 click mode and select REBUILD. It will do the last portion, which should take about 15-20 minutes.

I don't understand how to do this from the files in the temporary folder. Please assist. I captured some files from the temporary folder in the last attachment. How can these be processed further?

[jdobbs]

I don't understand how to do this from the files in the temporary folder. Please assist. I captured some files from the temporary folder in the last attachment. How can these be processed further?1. Click (uncheck) the "One Click Mode" option under the MODE menu
2. Click the REBUILD button.

Your job never completed, this tells DVD-RB to complete it.
I tried to access the the temporary file in the REBUILD step but a message popped up and said "does not contain DVD material". The title of the file is "D2VAVS". Here is a capture of a portion of the material in the folder in the attachment:That folder only holds the video files that were created during encoding. The authoring of the DVD has not been accomplished. The DVD output is stored in the DVDFILES directory.

[coodbe]

1. Click (uncheck) the "One Click Mode" option under the MODE menu
2. Click the REBUILD button.

Your job never completed, this tells DVD-RB to complete it.
That folder only holds the video files that were created during encoding. The authoring of the DVD has not been accomplished. The DVD output is stored in the DVDFILES directory.

I don't have any files in the destination folder. The only files I have are in the temporary folder and I have listed a capture of some of those files. Both the destination folder and the temporary folder are on the same external hard drive. I have placed DVD Rebuilder in the three click mode. When I click Rebuild, these are the errors that are reported. The second error displays after I close the first one. Please see attachments

[jdobbs]

You have nothing specified for the source path.

[coodbe]

You have nothing specified for the source path.


I feel like we are going in circles here. When I choose the source folder which is file that is in the temporary folder of DVD Rrebuilder (D2VAVS), I get "source folder does not contain DVD material". The first attachment will show the D2VAVS folder that I choose as the source folder. When I choose that one I get the error that appears in the second attachment, "The folder does not contain DVD material.

There does not appear to be any other folder to use as the source material. There is no folder with DVD material in it. All that I have is the D2VAVS folder and the folder that has the log in it. There is nothing in the destination folder.

[Rippraff]

I feel like we are going in circles here. When I choose the source folder which is file that is in the temporary folder of DVD Rrebuilder (D2VAVS)
Your source path can never be a single file, as the name says, it's a folder where your original stuff is located. As an example C:\Movie\VIDEO_TS

Your working path is the one above D2VAVS. Say you have a folder on your harddisk: C:\Test\D2VAVS then C:\Test is your working path.

Cu Rippraff

[coodbe]

Your source path can never be a single file, as the name says, it's a folder where your original stuff is located. As an example C:\Movie\VIDEO_TS

Your working path is the one above D2VAVS. Say you have a folder on your harddisk: C:\Test\D2VAVS then C:\Test is your working path.

Cu Rippraff


I tried the one above it and I still got the same message.

Thank you for your reply.

[jdobbs]

You have to point the source directory to the same folder you did when you did the PREPARE and ENCODE phases the first time through.

We're going in circles because you're turning the wheel... straighten it up by resetting everything back to where it was before you started changing it -- and it will work. The source folder can't be D2VAVS -- because that is in the WORKING FOLDER. How and where did you rip the disc in the first place?

[coodbe]

You have to point the source directory to the same folder you did when you did the PREPARE and ENCODE phases the first time through.

We're going in circles because you're turning the wheel... straighten it up by resetting everything back to where it was before you started changing it -- and it will work. The source folder can't be D2VAVS -- because that is in the WORKING FOLDER. How and where did you rip the disc in the first place?

I did it by inserting the original DVD9 "The Grudge 2" into the Rom drive and starting rebuilder in the one click mode. Are you suggesting that I do that again in the three click mode? Won't it go through all of the modes again...prepare mode, encode mode and rebuild mode.

[jdobbs]

Yes -- three click mode. If you click on REBUILD, it will only do the REBUILD (assuming your working folders are still valid). That's the difference between one-click and three-click modes. In one click the PREPARE, ENCODE, and REBUILD are all done sequentially without user intervention. In three-click mode you do them yourself. It's mainly there in case you want to use the editor after PREPARE.

The original input has to be available at REBUILD so the audio can be reintegrated into the newly created video streams. If you're reading from the DVD you must be using AnyDVD to do your decrypting, right?

[Rippraff]

Are you suggesting that I do that again in the three click mode?
Yes
Won't it go through all of the modes again...prepare mode, encode mode and rebuild mode.
No, not if you chose the original working path.
The source path is also needed during Rebuild
=>
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
Cu Rippraff

[coodbe]

Yes -- three click mode. If you click on REBUILD, it will only do the REBUILD (assuming your working folders are still valid). That's the difference between one-click and three-click modes. In one click the PREPARE, ENCODE, and REBUILD are all done sequentially without user intervention. In three-click mode you do them yourself. It's mainly there in case you want to use the editor after PREPARE.

The original input has to be available at REBUILD so the audio can be reintegrated into the newly created video streams. If you're reading from the DVD you must be using AnyDVD to do your decrypting, right?

Yes I am using AnyDvd. I just reinserted the original DVD into the ROM Drive and all the buttons lit up. When I tried the rebuild button a message went up about invalid path so I tried the encode button and got the following message (in attachment) so I clicked yes and it encoded for about a minute and said it finished the encode. Then I ckicked the rebuild button and another message appeared indicating invalid path again.

Now the only button that is lit is the encode button.

Is it too late to salvage this project?

[James35]

The Grudge 2 has protection . I suggest you rip the DVD to the hard drive . Then use FixVTS to clean up the source .

[Rippraff]

Yes I am using AnyDvd. I just reinserted the original DVD into the ROM Drive and all the buttons lit up.
Did you select the VIDEO_TS sub folder of your ROM drive as the source path? You have to do this FIRST otherwise RB doesn't know where to look for the files.
so I tried the encode button
:confused: Why did you do that?
and got the following message (in attachment)
Only a moderator can see these attachments until they are approved.

The Grudge 2 has protection . I suggest you rip the DVD to the hard drive . Then use FixVTS to clean up the source .
As he is working with AnyDVD there should be no problem. With your advice he would need to start from scratch as the source path would be different.

Cu Rippraff

[jdobbs]

The Grudge 2 has protection . I suggest you rip the DVD to the hard drive . Then use FixVTS to clean up the source .
AnyDVD and DVD Rebuilder together will take care of it -- FixVTS isn't needed.

[jdobbs]

@coodbe

You need to just delete the directories and start over. The minute you pushed the ENCODE button you cleared the working directory. No salvage...

[coodbe]

@coodbe

You need to just delete the directories and start over. The minute you pushed the ENCODE button you cleared the working directory. No salvage...

Thank you for all your time. I learned some more about DVD Rebuilder during the process of trying to salvage this one. I had tried the rebuilder button earlier on several times after putting the DVD back into the ROM Drive but I kept getting the same note that said something to the affect that it was not original path. That is what made me try the encode button. Still don't know what caused the initial one click attempt to freeze. I will probably never know. It is strange that it would just stop with no error recorded in the log. The computer was still on when I got up in the morning and everything was functioning. Just Rebuilder stopped at the point of Rebuilding.

Did anything I mentioned about my set up or the settings I used within DVD Rebuilder itself seem incorrect? I don't know if watching the entire process would have helped but sitting there for approximately four hours is a bit difficult. I really wanted to create an ISO because I have more software that can burn using it. I have recently had success with creating a backup from a regular DVD file created with DVD Rebuilder and have made several ISO's and one burn using the one click mode, DVD decrypter and ImgBurn. In the latter case the whole thing was done over night and I woke to a perfectly burned DVD. I just don't use the program often enough to be able to do it with ease each time. Its frustrating.

[James35]

AnyDVD and DVD Rebuilder together will take care of it -- FixVTS isn't needed.

Well it seemed at the time it did not work thats why I said that .
I thought it would be better if the source was on the hard drive anyway ( Faster etc ) ?

[jdobbs]

Yes. My own experience is that it is significantly faster if you first rip to hard drive. Others have reported varying results that depend a lot on the model of DVD drive.

[coodbe]

Yes. My own experience is that it is significantly faster if you first rip to hard drive. Others have reported varying results that depend a lot on the model of DVD drive.

Which software should I use to rip and decrypt to the hard drive? After the backup is ripped to the hard drive I want to burn directly to disk using ImgBurn. What settings do I use? Do I check "Image burn directly to disk under "Mode" section? Do I then choose the ripped disk file as the "Current Source Path"? I have DVD decrypter installed.

I am thinking of using RipIt4Me or DVD Fab Decrypter to rip to the hard drive. Do they both work well with DVD Rebuilder.

[Rippraff]

What settings do I use? Do I check "Image burn directly to disk under "Mode" section?
Yes
Do I then choose the ripped disk file as the "Current Source Path"?Yes use the RipIt4Me files as the source.
I am thinking of using RipIt4Me or DVD Fab Decrypter to rip to the hard drive. Do they both work well with DVD Rebuilder.
I recommend RipIt4Me. There were reported problems with DVD Fab Decrypter in the past which are fixed in the meantime.

Cu Rippraff

[James35]

Which software should I use to rip and decrypt to the hard drive? After the backup is ripped to the hard drive I want to burn directly to disk using ImgBurn. What settings do I use? Do I check "Image burn directly to disk under "Mode" section? Do I then choose the ripped disk file as the "Current Source Path"? I have DVD decrypter installed.

I am thinking of using RipIt4Me or DVD Fab Decrypter to rip to the hard drive. Do they both work well with DVD Rebuilder.

Well you can use ANYDVD with CloneDVD2 or just ANYDVD on its own :)

[coodbe]

This sounds like a viable option. I really didn't like my ROM drive being used for the length of time that the encode took.

I don't like the compression of the movie in my backups to be more than 20%. That is when I prefer to use DVD Rebuilder. I want to use it more often. This may be the way to go.

I like allocating the the most compression to the extras and the least to the movie. On one occasion in the three click mode I eliminated the previews, kept the extras about the making of the movie and then allocated the least compression to the movie. It came out great. But I think for most of my backups, the settings steal space from extras set at 50% will be sufficient.

From what is evident on the forum posts, do most people prefer to rip to the hard drive first?

[Rippraff]

From what is evident on the forum posts, do most people prefer to rip to the hard drive first?
Well I can't speak for other persons but I always do. ;)

Cu Rippraff

[coodbe]

Well I can't speak for other persons but I always do. ;)

Cu Rippraff

Thank you. It sounds like this method will be easier on the ROM Drive and probably more dependable. Do you use DVD Rebuilder much?

I am going to try this method tonight. I am going to use James35 suggestion and use CloneDVD2 with AnyDVD. But I am going to use the Clone DVD and DVD+/-R DL option to rip to the hard drive. Using these settings will decrypt but not compress the DVD during the rip. Using AnyDVD alone is not dependable when used it in the rip mode (according to the authors recommendations).

[jdobbs]

I personally use DVD Decrypter over AnyDVD with DVD Decrypter's decryption disabled.

Not dependable when used alone? You say "the author" said that?

I'm getting close to 1500 discs successfully backed up... and I've never seen one fail yet.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

See the thread at the following link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=922018#post922018

[coodbe]

I personally use DVD Decrypter over AnyDVD with DVD Decrypter's decryption disabled.

Not dependable when used alone? You say "the author" said that?

I'm getting close to 1500 discs successfully backed up... and I've never seen one fail yet.

That is not what I said. When you right click AnyDvd, it offers you the option to"Rip Video-DVD to Hardisk". The author of AnyDvd recommended not to use this option but rather use CloneDvd2 to Rip with AnyDvd in the "background". Apparently this option of AnyDVD caused problems with some titles.

I was not referring to DVD Decrypter at all. I don't know how you read that into it. But if anyone else got that impression from what I wrote, I am glad you mentioned it so I could make the clarification.

[coodbe]

I personally use DVD Decrypter over AnyDVD with DVD Decrypter's decryption disabled.

Not dependable when used alone? You say "the author" said that?

I'm getting close to 1500 discs successfully backed up... and I've never seen one fail yet.

On lighter side of things, I thought GaPony, moderator over at the LG Software innovations Support Forum had a large amount with 6,500 backed up titles.

http://forum.lgsoftwareinnovations.com/showthread.php?t=15333

You may qualify for a record in the "Guinnesss Book of World Records". :D

That is really quite an accomplishment! And you used DVDFab Decrypter on all of them?

[setarip_old]

@coodbe

Continuing "On lighter side of things", you may wish to review your principles of mathematics - particularly the concept of "greater than" and "less than" ;>}

[coodbe]

@coodbe

Continuing "On lighter side of things", you may wish to review your principles of mathematics - particularly the concept of "greater than" and "less than" ;>}

I see what you mean. The only thing worse than my math is my spelling. :o

The formula I used, CloneDvd2 to rip (with AnyDvd as a decrypter) and then DVD Rebuilder set in the one click mode and ImgBurn to disk, worked. For me it was the easiest method. I used "Hollywood Land" because of its movie length (two hours 7 minutes and its lengthly extras)

The rip to 18 minutes and the Prepare/Encode/Rebuild took 142 minutes. ImgBurn took another 15 minutes. Is the validation part of ImgBurn important because that took as long as the burn itself?

I will be using DvdRebuilder more often now that I have found a way that works well fore me. I would like to thank everyone for their help.

[linx05]

If you spent all that time compressing and burning you'd want to know if it burnt well. I always verify. Saves putting in the DVD to play and finding out it was a bad burn.

@jdobbs
Do you do movie only when you backup? Or the whole disc? And how do you store them? I am looking at different ways of storing my backups at the moment since I heard some can actually ruin the disc. I find I am too picky when it comes to the quality of the disc. Way damn too picky! :(

[jdobbs]

I do full backups, the only time I do Movie-Only modes is when I'm testing. I also rarely do any type of extra reduction except for tests. I like my backups to be true representations of the original.

I store all my backups in standard DVD boxes and keep them on shelves in my living room (which is more like a "media room" now -- to my wife's lament). In fact -- I store all my originals (in their boxes) in cardboard boxes and only pull them out when I need to do more testing on a specifc title. The majority of them only get used once -- and that's to do the backup.

I also keep a set of "challenging" discs and the ones with interesting characteristics (like "The Matrix") on a hard drive all the time (as ISO files) -- because I rerun them for testing with new version releases.

[coodbe]

I do full backups, the only time I do Movie-Only modes is when I'm testing. I also rarely do any type of extra reduction except for tests. I like my backups to be true representations of the original.

I store all my backups in standard DVD boxes and keep them on shelves in my living room (which is more like a "media room" now -- to my wife's lament). In fact -- I store all my originals (in their boxes) in cardboard boxes and only pull them out when I need to do more testing on a specifc title. The majority of them only get used once -- and that's to do the backup.

I also keep a set of "challenging" disc's and the ones with interesting characteristics (like "The Matrix") on a hard drive all the time (as ISO files) -- because I rerun them for testing with new version releases.

The backup I made of "Hollywood Land" is pristine. I have been using transcoders mostly and on the ones that have the ability to leave the least compression on the movie and the most on the extras, I leave the least compression on the movie. But is this really necessary with this program? I had the extras set at 50% reduction. The result was pixelation on scenes with movement. I was thinking of using 33%. I am referring to DVD9 titles that have approximately 20 minutes of extras or more.

[jdobbs]

My recommendation on most sources is to use no extra reduction at all, or at most 10%. The problem is that the original DVD authors usually give extras a fairly low bitrate to begin with, so when you steal additional space from them it gets really difficult for an encoder (even the really good ones like CCE, HC, or ProCoder) to keep them from blocking/pixelating. If you are convinced you really need to steal 50% of the extra's bitrate -- it's probably best to use Half/Half (half-d1 and half bitrate) instead. Half D1 will look a lot better at that lower bitrate.

One thing to remember... the extra reduction is calculated in addition to the standard reduction for DVD-5. So if DVD-RB calculates a 65% reduction is necessary to fit, and you do a 50% reduction for extras -- they end up becoming only 32.5% of the original size allocated to them.

[coodbe]

My recommendation on most sources is to use no extra reduction at all, or at most 10%. The problem is that the original DVD authors usually give extras a fairly low bitrate to begin with, so when you steal additional space from them it gets really difficult for an encoder (even the really good ones like CCE, HC, or ProCoder) to keep them from blocking/pixelating. If you are convinced you really need to steal 50% of the extra's bitrate -- it's probably best to use Half/Half (half-d1 and half bitrate) instead. Half D1 will look a lot better at that lower bitrate.

One thing to remember... the extra reduction is calculated in addition to the standard reduction for DVD-5. So if DVD-RB calculates a 65% reduction is necessary to fit, and you do a 50% reduction for extras -- they end up becoming only 32.5% of the original size allocated to them.

Ok, I think I get it now. I printed out the help section and compared the "Steal space from Extras" and the "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras". The "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras" will be have less reduction than the 50% choice from "Steal space from Extras". The log from "Hollywood Land" indicated the "Reduction Level for D5 is 54%". So the 50% choice from "Steal Space from Extras" would be 27% (got to watch my math:D ). If I chose "Half-D1 and Half space for extras" the reduction would be 50% of the original allocation. I know what that looks like because some of the transcoders I use "compress" the extras by 50%.. That option is acceptable. What I ended up with on my back up was 27% reduction allocated to the extras. No wonder it was pixelated.

Thank you. Without your explanation, I would not have understood those options.

There is one thing that is still unclear to me. What is the difference between "Half D1 for Extras" and "Half-D1 and Half space for exras"?

[jdobbs]

Just a correction... if you chose half/half it still would have been at 27% of the original -- but the resolution of the output would be 352x480 (which is approximately half the number of pixels -- requiring only half as much bandwidth) so the blockiness/pixelation would be as pronounced.

Hald-D1 alone does no further reduction -- it just uses the 352x480 resolution. That comes in handy when the extras are already pushing the bitrate limit even before reduction.

[coodbe]

Ok, I will use "half D1". I have had the program for about a year now and I am just getting to realize its more advanced settings. I also learned how to delete titlesets during a backup about a month ago. I will do that as well if there is a huge number of previews that take up a lot of space. I always like to keep the extras that have to do with the making of the movie. I have been finding that the movie plus these extras take transcoders beyond there ability to render a backup that presents a good picture. So I plan to use Dvd Rebuilder more often. Again thanks for all your help. You have been assisting me since I first set up Rebuilder with Cinema Craft Encoder.

[jdobbs]

That's why I'm here. :cool:

[JohnGalt]

I always use Half/Half as well, and one way to dramatically improve the way the super-compressed extras look is to reduce their detail through use of smoothing filters. jdobbs added tags to the parsing engine of RB's filter editor that allow you to designate different filters for different "parts" of the DVD. That is, you can put "e:" in front of a line if you want RB to only use the subsequent filters on the extras. This is genius, as I now no longer have to manually add the filters to the extra VTS's with RB-Opt. So what I'm trying to say is, if you have RB Pro, you might try doing something like the following: Click on the Options tab, double-click on Filter Editor, and add the following line:

e:Undot().Deen()

This will make your highly compressed extras look much better.

[wmansir]

I find the bitrate variation in extras is so great that the % reduction options are a crap shoot. Often half/half will give you something like 1000-1300 kpbs (because like jdobbs said they often encode at a reduced rate to begin with) which doesn't look good even at half-D1. If I recall there should be a feature somewhere on the to-do list for setting extras at X kbps instead of a % reduction, which is what I do when using half-D1. Usually I use 1600-1800kbps depending on how full the disc is.

[Boulder]

So what I'm trying to say is, if you have RB Pro, you might try doing something like the following: Click on the Options tab, double-click on Filter Editor, and add the following line:

e:Undot().Deen()

This will make your highly compressed extras look much better.Just remember that extras are 95% of the time truly interlaced. Using those filters will only make a mess out of them.

[linx05]

Why is that? I've used undot before but not deen. Would these (http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=54372) filters make a mess of the extras?

[Boulder]

Yes they would. Do a search in the Avisynth usage forum and you'll learn how truly interlaced material should be treated.

[JohnGalt]

Yes they would. Do a search in the Avisynth usage forum and you'll learn how truly interlaced material should be treated.

Well for some reason, I've had nought but good luck with KISS on extras. Perhaps in Finland extras are often encoded differently than is common in the States? For what it's worth, you can use RB-Opt (and doubtless other tools as well) to test your filter chain on a clip. I've never had any problems, and I've encoded maybe 30 discs using the method I outlined above. The only issue is that my software dvd player (PowerDVD) renders subtitles incorrectly on Half-D1 video, but that's not an issue with my settop, and has nothing to do with KISS, of course.

If I recall there should be a feature somewhere on the to-do list for setting extras at X kbps instead of a % reduction

This is a great idea.

[Boulder]

I don't think the extras are any different in the PAL regions, they look quite smooth despite the fact that the original source is NTSC. I've not seen fieldblended crap that often..

Just snip a sample and we'll see how it is ;)