New E4300 Core2Duo, availability and possibilities [Archive]

BigDid

13th January 2007, 06:25

Be aware that the ASRock board isn't exactly the best to overclock with.
Hi,

Thanks for the link. Yes I am well aware of that. There is an interesting page (in french) for this board here: http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardware/CPU-Mobo-Ram/unique-asrock-775dual-sujet_746206_1.htm
When I state "easy overclocking" I mean a 285Mhz FSB minimum which will give 285*9=2565Mhz and I will be happy with that

I've got a 6300 in one myself,... Basically the FSB tops off at about 300 for most people, instability and the inability to even post are commonplace beyond that.
See the " Configuration / Réglages Bios / Perfs de chacun " sheet, 2 guys have reached 2171 and 2220 with a E6300
There are some options and tweaking you may want to (try) to read.

Did

VoKuS

13th January 2007, 22:19

I hear NewEgg.com is going to open up in Europe soon. Dont know if that will help you or not, I use newegg all the time but its currently only in the US. I think...

arfster

14th January 2007, 12:38

An alternative to this might be the e6600 - it's only £200 compared to the e4300 at £120 or so.

Reason I say this is that the e4300 at 3.3ghz seems to be benching around the same as 4mbyte cache chips do at 3ghz. On top of that, the e6600 will tend to go to around 3.6ghz with the same sort of cooling setups that are getting 3.3 with the e4300. Thus, for your extra money you're essentially getting another 600mhz or so.

Of course, if you have fast enough ram already, the e6400 is probably the best option since it's barely any more expensive than the e4300 at the moment.

BigDid

15th January 2007, 23:52

... Reason I say this is that the e4300 at 3.3ghz seems to be benching around the same as 4mbyte cache chips do at 3ghz. On top of that, the e6600 will tend to go to around 3.6ghz with the same sort of cooling setups that are getting 3.3 with the e4300. Thus, for your extra money you're essentially getting another 600mhz or so.
Maybe for a good mobo but it will be difficult to go upper than 2565 (9*285) with the ASROCK

Of course, if you have fast enough ram already, the e6400 is probably the best option since it's barely any more expensive than the e4300 at the moment.
If I cannot get the E4300, maybe I will go for a E6400 restrained to 2280 (8*285) and re-use my DDR1 Ram and my AGP card (which is the goal).

Did

BigDid

18th January 2007, 19:19

Update,

Could not get any vendor selling and shipping worldwide.

The E4300 is now in pre-order for some vendors in France and I made one. It is supposed to ship on the 22th of january.

Wen installed, will let know if it behaves like in the tests.

Did

Pookie

19th January 2007, 20:54

Please post your Avisynth benchmark when you do :)

BigDid

22nd January 2007, 19:28

Please post your Avisynth benchmark when you do :)
Sure I will.

Update:

Order actually shipping (was 179€ first day, actually 172€)

More reviews in french but online translating does exist:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/652-1/1.html
http://www.presence-pc.com/tests/Intel-Core-4300-514/
http://www.clubic.com/article-68436-1-intel-core-2-duo-e4300-intel-pentium-d-935.html

and this one from Matbe:
http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/368/intel-core-2-duo-e4300-et-pentium-d-935/

The test benches audios, videos and other apps like games; also have a general performance index:
http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/368/intel-core-2-duo-e4300-et-pentium-d-935/page13.php
that makes me think the difference between my actual configuration (+- equal to the AMD A64 3800+) @ 88%
is only 12% difference with the stock E4300 but may climb to 12+34=46% when the E4300 is overclocked over 2400Mhz. As they have realized a 3.2Ghz overclocking with air cooling it makes me think the 2.5/2.6 Ghz is really possible.

Did

BigDid

26th January 2007, 22:10

Update,

Processor received and temporary assembled with the original fan.

First thoughts and elements:

-Better mount the intel fan outside the case as it is hard to clip and on a flat surface (table).
-For the MB AsRock 775DualVSTA, I had the bios 1.80 pre-installed and couldn't install WinXP until updated to Bios 2.10 :(
So if you fear bios update by dos disk, better buy the 4CORE DUAL-VSTA motherboard which is a more recent revision, you won't have this problem (verified in hardware forums).

I run on a temporary hard drive to see how it reacts;
- It doesn't heat (52°C full load both cores)
- Very reactive feeling
- Easy overclock from 200 (1800) to 267 (2404); still doesn't heat

More infos when available.

Did

Pookie

27th January 2007, 20:54

Well done :)

BigDid

28th January 2007, 18:55

Well done :)
Well yes and no,

With that 1.80 bios stuff, I had problems with my windows partitions on my HDD so I do have a working SP2 on an empty disk but my WIndows boot partitions are quite messed up :(
BTW I never used the recover documents and parameters assistant from WInXP so if I can figure it out it could be a good occasion to learn :o
If not I guess starting from scratch is not a bad thing as I have transferred my main working partition From SP1 to SP2 and from a Athlon 2400 to 2800 to an AMD64 (754) in the 3 past years... but I need time for that and I don't have much ATM.
Wait and see.

Some tests made with the SP2 on the empty disk:
- Nuclearus went from 3500 for the AMD64
to 5100 for the C2D@1800
to 6700@2400 with some tunings
to 7200@2600
- SuperPi went from 39s for the AMD64
to 33s@1800 defaults settings and RAM @166
to 25s@2400 with Ram@200-1T-3.3.3.8
to 24s@2600
to 23s@2670 with Ram@222(4:3)-1T-2.3.3.6
The Dual VSTA MOBO can have 2T and aggressive timings or 1T (with Ram voltage to High) and SPD timings, not both/ Edited: once overclock stable I was able to tighten the timings at 1T with 2.3.3.6
It also seems both settings give +- same results so, for overclocking, I go with 1T and SPD.
Working @ 2400 until all is settled and stable, 2600 is functional even if not stable tested, so it seems I will reach my goal :)
Edited: rock stable at 9*297= 2670Mhz

Did

Pookie

2nd February 2007, 18:15

So thumbs up or thumbs down so far ?

Blue_MiSfit

3rd February 2007, 02:26

They're $176 @ Newegg now - I will get some C2D love happening soon :)

BigDid

3rd February 2007, 03:08

So thumbs up or thumbs down so far ?

I have been out all the week, coming back home late so I just toyed with the working SP2. I will have part of the week end to see if the mess is recoverable ...

@ Blue_MiSfit
They're $176 @ Newegg now They are now at 165€ at my french internet reseller.

So far, I have made tests with a short divx trailer clip 1 pass encoding with Autogk, results to come soon.

@Pookie,The following may interest you :)
I re-made the tests with the avisynth script and made the MT working so if I don't have the record I should not be far :D

I will post results directly in the avisynth thread soon: /DONE/ http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120371&page=4

Did

Edit: Autogk test for the LastManStanding.divx divx6 trailer (with menus) 1mn 36s
Agk 1 pass, 75% - no audio -

Athlon 64@2420Mhz (see sig)
Duration was: 1 minute, 52 seconds
Speed was: 25,58 fps.
Job finished. Total time: 2 minutes 37 seconds

E4300 stock speed 1800Mhz
Duration was: 1 minute, 15 seconds (-33%)
Speed was: 38,08 fps.
Job finished. Total time: 1 minute, 41 seconds

E4300 speed 2400Mhz
Duration was: 1 minute, 3 seconds (-44%)
Speed was: 45,25 fps.
Job finished. Total time: 1 minute, 27 seconds

dragongodz

3rd February 2007, 05:22

Old Athlon 64
BigDid - please say the actual model as there is more than 1 thats 2000mz not overclocked. so without the actual model you speed comparisons dont really tell much.

BigDid

3rd February 2007, 11:42

BigDid - please say the actual model as there is more than 1 thats 2000mz not overclocked. so without the actual model you speed comparisons dont really tell much.
Hi,

It's the one in my signature as my new rig is in testing ...

DId

dragongodz

3rd February 2007, 12:06

It's the one in my signature
so you mean
AMD64/754-2000
but what model is that ? ok maybe i am reading it wrong but it looks like to me you are saying an amd64, socket 754 at 2000mhz(stock speed). is that correct ? is so then is it a 3000+ or 3200+ as these were the older models released at 2000mhz for socket 754.

BigDid

3rd February 2007, 12:33

... an amd64, socket 754 at 2000mhz(stock speed)...
Yes

...then is it a 3000+ ... released at 2000mhz for socket 754.
Yes

Sorry for the confusion.

Did

dragongodz

3rd February 2007, 12:45

Sorry for the confusion.
no problem. :)

it does need to be then pointed out that people should note that the amd cpu being compared to is a single core cpu that sells for $45 at newegg. even overclocked it shouldnt really be expected to be anywhere near the same speed as a $176 dual core cpu even at its stock speed. ;)

BigDid

3rd February 2007, 13:04

... it does need to be then pointed out that people should note that the amd cpu being compared to is a single core cpu that sells for $45 at newegg...

If you wish so.

It is my old cpu and I share the benches and the settings with the new one actually in testing. I am also willing to answer to any ( sensible ) questions.

Some of the questions preluding this purchase (and some discussions can be found in old threads right here in the hardware section) were:
- 2 cores AMD or Intel
- Cheap Motherboard or not
- What overclocking without changing the cpu voltage
- Can the new E4300 match the more expensive 6400/6600 when overclocked
etc...

Did

dragongodz

3rd February 2007, 13:15

It is my old cpu and I share the benches and the settings with the new one actually in testing.
of course and nothing wrong with that. its just that for comparisons there needs to be accurate information about whats being compared for it to be reliable and meaningful. thats all.

BigDid

5th February 2007, 01:44

Another test in AutoGK
Same source Amélie Poulain, same filtering via AGKPAl
( DCTFun4b(1.8,1).RemoveGrain(mode=5).limitedsharpenfaster(Smode=3, strength=40, soft=-1) )
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] AutoGK 2.40
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Job started.
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Input file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_0.IFO
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Output file: G:\AmelieP\AmelieP.avi
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Output codec: XviD
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Audio: none
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Subtitles: none
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Format: AVI
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Target size: 1160Mb
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Standalone support enabled: MTK/Sigma
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Started encoding.
[26/12/2006 04:56:20] Demuxing and indexing.
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_1.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_2.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_3.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_4.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_5.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_6.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Processing file: G:\AmelieP\VTS_01_7.VOB
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Source resolution: 720x576
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Found PAL source.
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[26/12/2006 04:59:37] Analyzing source.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 1,58
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Source is considered to be progressive.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Output will contain 174958 frames
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Forcing encoding with sharp matrix.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Picking up credits information.
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Credits start frame: 168875
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Credits quality percentage: 35
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Overhead: 0 bytes (0.00 Mb)
[26/12/2006 05:04:34] Video size: 1,216,348,160 bytes (1160.00 Mb)

Old rig: (see sig) Athlon 3000/754 @ 2420Mhz
[26/12/2006 05:16:07] Duration was: 11 minutes 32 seconds
[26/12/2006 05:16:07] Speed was: 12,62 fps.
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Compressibility percentage is: 60,70
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Chosen resolution is: 640x272 ( AR: 2,35 )
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Predicted comptest value is: 74,62%
[26/12/2006 05:16:08] Running first pass.
...
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Duration was: 2 hours 27 minutes 22 seconds
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Speed was: 19,79 fps.
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Expected quality of first pass size: 72,17%
[26/12/2006 07:43:31] Running second pass.
[26/12/2006 10:43:25] Duration was: 2 hours 59 minutes 53 seconds
[26/12/2006 10:43:25] Speed was: 16,21 fps.
[26/12/2006 10:43:25] Job finished. Total time: 5 hours 47 minutes 5 seconds

New rig: Intel C2d E4300 @ 2400 with Setmt(2,0)
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Duration was: 5 minutes 8 seconds
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Speed was: 28,33 fps.
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Compressibility percentage is: 60,72
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Chosen resolution is: 640x272 ( AR: 2,35 )
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Predicted comptest value is: 74,65%
[04/02/2007 13:11:20] Running first pass.
...
[04/02/2007 14:13:00] Duration was: 1 hour, 1 minute, 40 seconds
[04/02/2007 14:13:00] Speed was: 47,28 fps.
[04/02/2007 14:13:01] Expected quality of first pass size: 72,19%
[04/02/2007 14:13:01] Running second pass.
[04/02/2007 15:24:00] Duration was: 1 hour, 10 minutes 58 seconds
[04/02/2007 15:24:00] Speed was: 41,08 fps.
[04/02/2007 15:24:00] Job finished. Total time: 2 hours 24 minutes 26 seconds

Encoding is more than twice less time (2.36/2.38/2.53)
Total time is also more than twice less time (2.4)

Did

Pookie

5th February 2007, 02:48

Nice. Perhaps I overlooked it - did you use the stock heatsink to overclock ?

BigDid

5th February 2007, 03:21

Nice. Perhaps I overlooked it - did you use the stock heatsink to overclock ?
Yes, just used it out of the box; I will (should) change the heatsink for a Thermalright SI 128 with a Textorm or Noiseblocker 12cm fan.

Hardware forumers recommend to stick with BIOS 2.10 to get the stock fan turning at 900rpm in idle; it is reported with Bios 2.20 and over that the fan will stay around 1700 in idle ...

Did

BigDid

25th February 2007, 18:33

Update,

The C2D series prices will be going down sooner than expected (april 22th), see: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121978

Done some tests @ 2400 and 1800Mhz, the Xvid/Xbench: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=958182#post958182

And @ 1800 Megui-x264:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=961991#post961991

@ 2630 same Megui-x264 test: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=960089#post960089

Testing between 2600 to 2700 atm. I expect to have a functional config @+- 2700 :)

Todo:
- Plug the fans to my old fan control box (the AsRock has only 2 fan plugs 1 for the proc, 1 for the Mb). I still have the side and rear fan to connect, so the case is open atm
- Change the proc fan from the stock to the Thermalright SI128, patiently waiting.
- Migrates data from old HD to new ones 1/3 done

Did

Dexter1979

28th February 2007, 17:02

Hiya DID,

:goodpost:

Have been following this tread with interest. I also have just bought a 775dual-vsta (BIOS 1.7 on board) and a e4300.
Would you recommend BIOS 2.1 to get a nice overclock at 2.4ghz? Did you just put the FSB to 266 or did you change any other settings to get to that level? I'm a total n00b when it comes to overclocking but am very excited about the prospect of a free speedboost. :devil: I have yet to assemble the system in question btw :)

BigDid

28th February 2007, 17:19

... I also have just bought a 775dual-vsta (BIOS 1.7 on board) and a e4300.
Would you recommend BIOS 2.1 to get a nice overclock at 2.4ghz?

Hi,

I would recommend, as the first thing to do, to update the bios to the 2.10 see my post n° 11.
I could not boot to windows and my previous windows install just went havoc so better do (before) a backup of files and params with the assistant unless you start with a new HD or partition :(

Did you just put the FSB to 266 or did you change any other settings to get to that level?
No other change, just raise the FSB to 266

My actual o/c is 9x295 = 2660 still testing.
More infos on your ram and Graphic card would be appreciated.

Did

Dexter1979

28th February 2007, 17:35

I actually have 667 mhz DDR2 RAM and a PCI-E x1950pro graphics card (I know, why did I get a 775dual-vsta.... long story!)
Will prob buy a different motherboard in time.

Anyways, 2.4ghz will do me fine.. don't need to push it any further I'd say. Thanks for your quick reply btw :)

BigDid

28th February 2007, 18:59

I actually have 667 mhz DDR2 RAM and a PCI-E x1950pro graphics card (I know, why did I get a 775dual-vsta.... long story!)
:thanks:

Anyways, 2.4ghz will do me fine.. don't need to push it any further I'd say. Thanks for your quick reply btw :)
Take your time, any hardware forum confirms it, you can go up to 280/285 without problems and all parameters at defaut :)

Did

Dexter1979

28th February 2007, 22:25

you can go up to 280/285 without problems and all parameters at defaut :)

Did

Might try that. Reaching 333 mhz and 1:1 memory divider is out of the question with this mobo and stock cooler anyways. My 667mhz Ram should be able to do 280 on 1:1 easily. Would be a could performace gain. 2.57 Ghz from 1.8 is pretty darn good for the price of the mobo and CPU. :)

Dexter1979

2nd March 2007, 19:00

Hey Did,

I build the system and it is currently running stable at 2.4Ghz with my old AGP Radeon x800XL :)
I'm waiting for a power adapter since I thought I had a PCI-Express plug on my 450-WATT PSU but I don't.. :(

You said you were running around 285mhz FSB yourself. Are you using the stock cooler or alternative cooling? I must say this chip does not get hot at all. Mine runs at 30 degrees idle. My old athlon XP 3200 would run at 55 idle. Would be like a little heater when I left it running overnight in my small bedroom and the door closed. Will try my luck at a higher FSB in a bit and see how far I can take it :cool:

BigDid

2nd March 2007, 20:28

You said you were running around 285mhz FSB yourself. Are you using the stock cooler ...
Yes, still stockcooler; should change this week end.

... I must say this chip does not get hot at all. In Bios 2.10, you can safely use bios defaut params for speedstep; fan will stay low (+-950rpm) until core/cpu temp reaches +-52°Celsius, than will rise to max speed (+-2800rpm) until temp goes down , than the fan will go down again.

If you don't like this yoyo thing, you can use speedfan but you will have to disable speedstep in the bios to let speedfan take control :cool:

Will try my luck at a higher FSB in a bit and see how far I can take it :cool:
Reached the wall @ 297 which gives 2673 full speed and 23s in SuperPI :D

Did

Blue_MiSfit

4th March 2007, 04:00

BigDid

4th March 2007, 04:48

I'm SO getting a 4300 when I can afford a full system upgrade :D

I would just get it and one of the boards that can run DDR400 memory, but I really want to get 2 gigs of good DDR2 800 so that I can really push things up.

If only my lovely Zalman cooler had an LGA775 adapter :D

~MiSfit
Hi Misfit,

My upgrade roadmap could be:

1/ Get 2 giga of DDR2 +1 year

2/ Get a midrange PciExpress +2 years

3/ Get a better mobo to push things up +3 years

But maybe at that time it will be time to get DDr4, PciExpress 3 and a new x8 processor to get all that running :D

Atm I am really satisfied with what I have. I just have to get those extra fans running, close my case (34°Celsius indoor early afternoon) and update my config :)

Did

Dexter1979

4th March 2007, 15:52

I have a X1950pro PCI-express card laying here but can't install it since my PSU has no PCI-E plug. Waiting for an adapter and will try my luck then getting a higher overclock. Still did not go any higher then 266FSB. Happy with this now. Went from a Athlon XP 3200+ to this monster! All good!

Inventive Software

4th March 2007, 17:04

BigDid

4th March 2007, 17:10

@Did: a better motherboard and you can get that baby up to about 400 MHz FSB. I intend on getting an Abit P5B motherboard, since they rock with overclocking (450 MHz with an E6300, according to PC Format!).
I know that, if you can point me to a better 775 MB that accepts
-DDR1
-AGP 8x

for a reasonable price, I will buy it ;)

@Dexter1979, your PSU may be the limiting factor, mine is a good 400w and is limit (doesn't p.o.s.t sometimes)

Did

Inventive Software

4th March 2007, 17:16

Er, can't help you there since they're depeciated technologies. :D

BigDid

4th March 2007, 17:29

Er, can't help you there since they're depeciated technologies. :D
Interesting, I will add it to my sig :D

So if you have(buy) a config with ...high tech, you are welcome to share your experience and first steps.

Did

Dexter1979

4th March 2007, 18:39

@Dexter1979, your PSU may be the limiting factor, mine is a good 400w and is limit (doesn't p.o.s.t sometimes)

My PSU is a 450 WATT one. Should be enough. Only have 1 dvd drive, 2 sata HD's, 2 sticks of RAM and 2 fans on it. Should drain to much for my X1950 pro... and if it does I will buy a new one :p

For now I'm getting Page Error in Non Page Area blue screens in windows so I think I need to adjust the memory timings a bit. Would setting it to 533mhz with RAM flexibility option turn on help? I will try that when I am home. At work now :(

BigDid

4th March 2007, 20:16

Would setting it to 533mhz with RAM flexibility option turn on help? I will try that when I am home.
Hi,

My experience in overclocking is don't hunt more than 1 rabbit at the same time :cool:

My recommendation was (and still is) all params at default until things are settled.
Considering RAM, my reading of a french hardware forum (I have DDR1 not DDR2) for PC5400 ram is:
- auto will give you a 4:3 ratio
- auto/flexibility off 1:1 ratio

There is also 1t or 2t DRAM Command Rate to consider, default is 2t

See this pic: http://walkover.free.fr/hfr/ratio%20ram_fsb.jpg

Did

Dexter1979

4th March 2007, 21:43

I reloaded BIOS defaults, put the CPU back at 266 FSB and left the memory settings alone (as in Auto and flexability off)

Ram is now 1:1 533mhz with correct SPD timings and CPU back to 2.4ghz. It was running out of sync at 667 and it didn't like it.. at least I hope thats what it was :D

I'm running Orthos at the moment to stress test the CPU but am not expecting any problems.

foxyshadis

5th March 2007, 01:04

Er, can't help you there since they're depeciated technologies. :D

Deprecated. ;_; Depreciated means its value has dropped (typically monetary), deprecated means obselete. The former usually applies, but it's not really what's meant....

Just a FYI. =p

Inventive Software

5th March 2007, 01:57

I thought they were the same word, and people just spelling it wrong! :p

dragongodz

5th March 2007, 03:05

actually FYI

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
dep·re·cate /ˈdɛprɪˌkeɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dep-ri-keyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing.
1. to express earnest disapproval of.
2. to urge reasons against; protest against (a scheme, purpose, etc.).
3. to depreciate; belittle.
4. Archaic. to pray for deliverance from.
[Origin: 1615–25; < L déprecātus prayed against, warded off (ptp. of déprecārī), equiv. to dé- de- + prec(ārī) to pray + -ātus -ate1]

Free On-line Dictionary of Computing -
deprecated
Said of a program or feature that is considered obsolescent and in the process of being phased out, usually in favour of a specified replacement. Deprecated features can, unfortunately, linger on for many years. This term appears with distressing frequency in standards documents when the committees writing the documents realise that large amounts of extant (and presumably happily working) code depend on the feature(s) that have passed out of favour.
See also dusty deck.
[The Jargon File]

BigDid

5th March 2007, 03:24

Ladies and gentlemen,

After this master course I have no choice but to comply and change my sentence to include "deprecated".
(Where is my Harrap's :scared: )

Did

Inventive Software

5th March 2007, 03:47

Sorry Did. I blame new English! :D

Dexter1979

5th March 2007, 17:25

Didn't realise there was new English? I am still stuggeling with the old one :D

And as a follow up on my RAM post, I'm running stable now at 2.4Ghz. Will try and push it further over the weekend. See how far it will go. Should have my new X1950pro then as well :devil:

Also, this chip doesn't heat up at all. I have speedstep enable and the fan doesn't go over the 1000 RPM. The CPU was at 39 degrees Celsius after running Orthos for 4 hours!! Unbelievable! And that under a stock fan! Don't think I will get another fan unless I change the motherboard and want to overclock further. I am a huge AMD fan but Core 2 is kicking their behinds!! If any AMD staff are reading this: GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!! :D

jeffy

5th March 2007, 18:50

The CPU was at 39 degrees Celsius after running Orthos for 4 hours!!

I hope these are Core temps: :D
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/
(FYI thermal spec. 61.4 degrees of Celsius)
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9TB

Dexter1979

5th March 2007, 21:34

It was what it said in the Bios after reboot. :)

I downloaded core temp and it's telling me the CPU gets no hotter then about 48 under full Orthos load. Not bad considering it's overclocked now at 2.52Ghz (280 FSB) :D Will check the log when I'm back home. Thats after about 4 hours of Orthos. Should be good.

arfster

12th March 2007, 01:18

There are 2 temps: TCase, and TJunction. Intel TAT shows one, it shouldn't go over 65. Coretemp and most other apps show the other, and it shouldn't go over 50.

Dexter1979

12th March 2007, 13:25

I ran Intel's TAT for about 20 minutes and the both cores went up to 53. I am happy with that to be honest. They can take a beating and 53 is respectable on stock cooling. :)

When I run Orthos and CoreTemp they don't go over 50 after 4 hours running. So I'm 'Cool'.. :rolleyes:

jeffy

12th March 2007, 15:10

There are 2 temps: TCase, and TJunction. Intel TAT shows one, it shouldn't go over 65. Coretemp and most other apps show the other, and it shouldn't go over 50.

For Core 2 Duo Desktop:
Thermal Specification: The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor.

61.4 C for E4300
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9TB
Where did you get Tcase... 50C?
TJunction is 85, for Quad cores 100C.
Anyone, please, correct me if I am mistaken and supply reference links.

Also:
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/howitworks.html

Dexter1979

12th March 2007, 19:32

I have seen forums where peopl run their Core Duo at 60 degress without worrying. Temperature doesn't worry me. Mine is running just fine. Might try and reach Did's overclock and see what the temps are then :devil:

BigDid

12th March 2007, 20:54

I have seen forums where peopl run their Core Duo at 60 degress without worrying.
Hi,

Jeffy has also specified :
Thermal Specification: The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor.
So we are discussing about the max CASE temperature and not the max PROC temperature which is not reported "as is" by the different monitoring tools: Speedfan 4.32-Coretemp(Tcase temp) vs T.A.T(Tjunction temp)
More here: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Core-Duo-Temperature-Guide-ftopict221745.html
The author explains well that a C2D can:
- be hot at 60°Tcase / 75°Tjunction
- throttle at 65°Tcase / 80° Tjunction
- shutdown(the mobo) at 70°Tcase / 85° Tjunction

Temperature doesn't worry me. Mine is running just fine
Sure, as long as it is reported below 65° by Coretemp or Speedfan 4.32
Might try and reach Did's overclock and see what the temps are then :devil:
See signature, running at 9*297= 2670mhz, rock stable. All processor temps being Tcase.
Actually with a room temp around 33°C, 3/12cm fans (1 front/push, 1 side/push, 1 rear/pull), Coretemp and Speedfan, I have an idle temp between 38-40° and a burn (encode) temp between 49-51°
The speedfan config makes the stock fan runs at +- 930rpm below 40°, +-1750 rpm below 52° and +-2750 rpm above 52 (which I don't reach atm) :D

Did

Dexter1979

13th March 2007, 00:00

See signature, running at 9*297= 2670mhz, rock stable. All processor temps being Tcase.
Actually with a room temp around 33°C, 3/12cm fans (1 front/push, 1 side/push, 1 rear/pull), Coretemp and Speedfan, I have an idle temp between 38-40° and a burn (encode) temp between 49-51°
The speedfan config makes the stock fan runs at +- 930rpm below 40°, +-1750 rpm below 52° and +-2750 rpm above 52 (which I don't reach atm) :D
Did
I have a idle of 27 :)
I'D say I would be able to pass you out because of my DDR2 but that is just a theory. I will try and reach your overclock if you are still running stock fan.

Dex

BigDid

13th March 2007, 00:12

I have a idle of 27 :)
I'D say I would be able to pass you out because of my DDR2 but that is just a theory. I will try and reach your overclock if you are still running stock fan.
Yes, I am still running stock-fan :p (the smiley is because I stated it 3 times already, last being in my last post ;) )

You are welcome to try and I hope you will succeed.

When I have time, I will post the Dual775 settings as a basis but I think it will be useful only for people having:
- 2*DDR1 memory sticks and
- an AGP graphic card

Did

Edit: I am still running the stock-fan cause I, now, have some airflow from the side fan on the mosfets and the NorthBridge and, after tests, that doesn't change the max overclock. As I am nowhere near an overheating zone, I won't need to change the stock-fan ATM.

foxyshadis

13th March 2007, 17:33

But how are you ever going to get 6 GHz on a stock fan?? Think for the future, man! If your system doesn't dim neighborhood lights when you turn it on, it's never going to be able to encode fast enough. ;)

BigDid

13th March 2007, 18:58

@foxyshadis
I wont get 6Ghz cause I'm using "deprecated technologies" :p

@all
I just upgraded to speedfan 4.32 and I can now see the temperatures problems.

I believe that the cpu (temp2) is accurate as a Tcase temp cause it is coherent with my ambient temp; early this morning the ambient temp was 27° and the cpu (Tcase) was 35°. What is not coherent is core1/2 temp (should be Tjunction) was at the same time 27° instead of being around 50°(35+15).
I'll need to make more tests, but I am afraid that speedfan 4.32 (core1/2) and coretemp do not report correctly the Tjunction temp for the 775Dual-VSTA. I'll also try TAT and update later.

Did

Inventive Software

13th March 2007, 20:25

@foxy: where the hell did you get 6 GHz from???? :p

foxyshadis

13th March 2007, 21:08

You don't remember all the OC nuttiness (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,4970.html) from last summer? :p

Dexter1979

14th March 2007, 14:59

I suppose having a E4300 at 3ghz would in theory give you 2 x 3 = 6Ghz.. I have seen dual core CPU's advertised like that on ebay. :)

I need to figure out what the problem is with my RAM. Might take it out and reseat it. I have been getting BSOD's with IRQL errors. Probably RAM related. Will investigate and report back. On the temperature issue, my room temp here is bout 20 so I am happy with the temps Coretemp is giving me. Might try speedfan just for comparison. TAT is wicked for temp testing. Don't think your CPU will ever be stressed that much in real life.

Dexter1979

16th March 2007, 21:29

jeffy

16th March 2007, 22:19

Did,

Did (LOL) you try TAT yet? (This sentence is hillarious when you say it 3 times fast :p ) I haven't had a chance to try it yet but I took out my RAM and put it back in, Also did the same with the graphics card. I am going to try and reinstall all drivers and see if it gets rid of the IRQL blue screens that I have been getting. My overclock is still at 2.4 and I am happy to stick with that.

On a different matter, what would be a good program to convert Xvid AVI's to DVD? I'd like to get my new rig converting. See how much faster it is. :)
:helpful: Shhh! Have you seen this yet? It used to be freeware... now shareware. But Afterdawn keeps the old version:

http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/video_encoders/vso_divxtodvd_free.cfm

Regarding your IRQL: MemTest, MemTest, MemTest, beware, according to Corsair, it is necessary to turn off USB Legacy Support in BIOS before running it.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=962040#post962040
(Ref. Official Corsair Memory Support Forum, there might be a BIOS related bug :(, http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38201)

EDIT:
BTW, read the link above carefully and test sticks one at a time.
Why? The clues are there.
/EDIT

BigDid

17th March 2007, 00:37

Did,

Did (LOL) you try TAT yet? (This sentence is hillarious when you say it 3 times fast :p ) I haven't had a chance to try it yet but I took out my RAM and put it back in, Also did the same with the graphics card. I am going to try and reinstall all drivers and see if it gets rid of the IRQL blue screens that I have been getting. My overclock is still at 2.4 and I am happy to stick with that.
Hi,

Yes but it confirms the link given; TAT gives the Tjunction temp which is 15° more than the Tcase temp given by coretemp (0.94) or Speedfan 4.32 (core1/2) and people in the hardware forums (french) reacts like here: funny temps :confused:

On a different matter, what would be a good program to convert Xvid AVI's to DVD? I'd like to get my new rig converting. See how much faster it is. :)
+1 with jeffy for the freeware version (divxtodvd) of the good shareware convertxtodvd;
There is also another freeware given here in Doom9 but I just cannot remember the exact name, maybe avitodvd or Diko ...

I will be out for 2 weeks so I'll just be able to pop up from time to time. See you later.

Did