Another Case of Oversizing :(

[Jeff Mott]

This time with the full-screen version of _Elf_. And, of course, I'm still using CCE Basic, which I'm assuming is the ultimate cause of the issue. The result came out to 4.45 GiB.

[Fishman0919]

What did you uses to rip the movie?
What ver of DVD-RB? (Can see files, not aval yet)
What ver of CCE-Basic?

I've done a lot of DVD's with CCE-Basic and can't remember any over-sizing (caused by CCE-Basic).... I've had a few under-size due to encoder saturation but that is one of the limitations of CCE-Basic vs CCE SP/SP2 (Multi-pass/Adaptive Q-Matrix switching)

[Jeff Mott]

What did you uses to rip the movie?
What ver of DVD-RB? (Can see files, not aval yet)
What ver of CCE-Basic?RipIt4Me + FixVTS
DVD-RB 1.20.4
CCE Basic 2.70.01.04

I've done a lot of DVD's with CCE-Basic and can't remember any over-sizing (caused by CCE-Basic)It only happens on a small number discs, and jdobbs is quick to fix the issues. From what I understood, CCE Basic (this does not apply to CCE SP) has problems if there is very little bitrate applied to a short segment, so jdobbs instituted a minimum bitrate. The problem came when a DVD, for no apparent good reason, split the movie into lots of small segments. I don't know if this case is related or not.

[Fishman0919]

I went back and looked at my copy of ELF... I did it with CCE Basic 2.69.01.10 and the size came out 4.33g. Not sure if I changed anything (Half-D1 or space stealing) or just did a FULL backup.

[Jeff Mott]

I went back and tried the disc again with CCE; it still came out oversized. I then tried the backup with HC, and unfortunately DVD-RB once again reported to me that the image was too large for the disc -- about 4.45 GB.

So . . . now I don't know what to do. :(

[danpos]

I went back and tried the disc again with CCE; it still came out oversized. I then tried the backup with HC, and unfortunately DVD-RB once again reported to me that the image was too large for the disc -- about 4.45 GB.

So . . . now I don't know what to do. :(

You can use DVDShrink to shrink it to 4.38 GB and (the quality won't drop that thing cos of the difference is small - 0.07 GB - compared to DVD5 size).

Cheers,

[jdobbs]

What I can't figure out is why this is only seems to be happening in your case. I use CCE Basic all the time and never oversize -- and Fishman0919 appears to have used it on this same disc without oversizing. While I have identified a possible problem with CCE Basic and sizing on small segments -- it's only becomes significant when there are incredibly large numbers of small segments -- which doesn't seem to be the case for this disc. There are a lot of stills -- but they are extracted and used intact (they aren't reencoded by CCE Basic).

I'll run ELF today with CCE Basic (I've done it successfully before -- but I can't remember what encoder I used).

[Jeff Mott]

What I can't figure out is why this is only seems to be happening in your case. I use CCE Basic all the time and never oversize -- and Fishman0919 appears to have used it on this same disc without oversizing.I know. I can't understand it either. I've been backing up other movies in the mean time on the same machine and with the same installation, and they have come out perfect, so this is by no means a regular occurrence for me. It's just something with that one movie.

[Jeff Mott]

You can use DVDShrink to shrink it to 4.38 GBThanks for the suggestion, but I generally don't trust much else except Rebuilder to handle the DVD files correctly.

[therat]

RipIt4Me + FixVTS
DVD-RB 1.20.4
CCE Basic 2.70.01.04


Not sure if it's a typo or not but the latest version of CCE Basic is 2.70.01.14. Try updating to the latest and see if it makes any difference.

cheers

[Jeff Mott]

Wow, you're right. I changed my e-mail address some time back and forgot to update my Visible Light account, so I didn't get notified of the update. I'll install that and hope that it fixes the problem. Though, since the result was oversized even using the HC encoder, I'm not confident that a CCE update will fix this.

[Fishman0919]

Try disabling "Menu Encoding", there are a lot of menu segments on this disc and when I did ELF.... DVD-RB was not able to encode menus.

[Jeff Mott]

Sadly the new CCE did not solve the issue, and neither did turning off menu encoding.