Mux VC1 on WMV

[Golgot13]

Hi all,
No way today to mux a VC1 video file on WMV container
(Solveig ASF tool don't work) ?
VC1 is not compatible with WMV tool (Windows Media Stream Editor,...).
I need to test VC1 video file with some chipsets, but all platforms
with this chipset can play VC1 when it mux on WMV container...


Golgot13

[McCrash]

Can i ask you how your vc1 files were made ? Could you make one available to us ?

[vsv]

Do you tried mux vc-1 with sound to ts ?

[Golgot13]

Can i ask you how your vc1 files were made ? Could you make one available to us ?

Censored...... But you can extract *.es or *.vc1
from wmv with "Inletdump.exe" software from Inlet.

[Golgot13]

Do you tried mux vc-1 with sound to ts ?

Yes, I can with Manzanita software but it's not WMV container.
Because the HD hardware player can not play VC1 on ts container, it play VC1 on WMV container (I think some hardware player
will need to be upgraded to play VC1 on *.ts file).
I listen that all HD STB hardware player can play VC1 in DVB (same at TS container) but only when it is live broadcast.


Golgot13

[McCrash]

PEP encoder of Microsoft. But you can extract *.es or *.vc1
from wmv with "Inletdump.exe" software from Inlet.

I think Inletdump is part of Fathom which is big bucks :scared:

[zambelli]

I think Inletdump is part of Fathom which is big bucks :scared:
Golgot should make it clear that none of the software he mentions is freely available to the public. :)

[vsv]

PEP is free for PRO's and people who in love with MS:)

For Zambelli and Ben Waggoner my question:
Why impossible to share PEP for community like doom9?
Imho, its a better way to push HD-DVD and VC-1 codec over BD :)

We remember success of divx 3.11;)
Now time for VC-1 and HD-DVD for red laser DVD-R.

[pwimmer]

What is PEP?

[vsv]

PEP is PET ;) (parallel encoding tool)
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/oct06/10-05THXHDDVDPR.mspx

[pwimmer]

Is there a chance that I can get PET? Anything less annoying than the Windows Media Encoder 9 is highly appreciated, especially since WME Studio Edition is no longer available. Can PET encode to wmv format or raw VC-1 only? Why is it not mentioned in the pro section of the Windows Media website?

[Golgot13]

PEP is free for PRO's and people who in love with MS:)

Some people have this tool and don't love MS...
Censored....

For HD DVD project on DVD disc we must "now" to use VC1 codec because HD DVD with H264
need a good CPU to play fine on PC with DVDRom. I think we need to wait the half of 2007
to have a optimization of HD DVD software player to play fine HD DVD with H264 codec
on "normal" PC (between 2.4GHz to 3.1Ghz).

Best wishes at all member of Doom9.

Golgot13

[Dmitry Vergheles]

Hi all,
No way today to mux a VC1 video file on WMV container
(Solveig ASF tool don't work) ?
VC1 is not compatible with WMV tool (Windows Media Stream Editor,...).
I need to test VC1 video file with some chipsets, but all platforms
with this chipset can play VC1 when it mux on WMV container...


Golgot13

Hi Golgot13,
Could you please describe what is the problem with SolveigMM ASF Muxer?

Do you encode VC1 by yourself (I mean can you re-encode it).

[Golgot13]

Hi Golgot13,
Could you please describe what is the problem with SolveigMM ASF Muxer?

Do you encode VC1 by yourself (I mean can you re-encode it).

Yes, I encode it. But I can not recode it (if I don't use Graphedit).

Censored....

But I need to read it on HD hardware player which can accept
VC1 only in WMV container.


Golgot13

[zambelli]

Why impossible to share PEP for community like doom9?
PEP is suite of VC-1 encoding tools that's only available to select Microsoft partners. It's simply not designated for public release at this moment. It was designed to facilitate HD-DVD/BD compliant VC-1 encoding in a typical studio environment where segment re-encoding and parallel processing are necessary for quick turnaround times. We're talking about D5 tape sources and 16 blade systems here, not DVD backup and home PCs. Completely different target audience.

Imho, its a better way to push HD-DVD and VC-1 codec over BD
PEP is disc-agnostic. It produces VC-1 bitstreams, which means it can be used for both HD-DVD and BD authoring. Whether you'd want to use VC-1 in HD-DVD or BD would depend largely on the recording hardware and authoring software you have available - PEP would unlikely be the deciding factor here.

We remember success of divx 3.11
Success of DivX 3.11 had very little to do with Microsoft, despite the fact that it was Microsoft's codec. ;)

Is there a chance that I can get PET? Anything less annoying than the Windows Media Encoder 9 is highly appreciated, especially since WME Studio Edition is no longer available.
No, PEP is only available for select partners at this moment. Who are these "select partners"? Companies like Warner Bros, Technicolor, Deluxe, GDMX - the kind of companies that are filling the shelves at Best Buy with the latest HD-DVD and BluRay titles.

Microsoft is just not ready to expand the scope of PEP to the home user. It's not that we don't value the home user - it's simply that our hands are already pretty full as it is with existing PEP customers, most of whom more or less demand direct support from Microsoft and 1:1 training.

Can PET encode to wmv format or raw VC-1 only? Why is it not mentioned in the pro section of the Windows Media website?
PEP produces only elementary VC-1 streams. It has no preference for any container format.

We're in a phase of figuring out how to get the latest in our codec technology out to both the professional users and the home users in a way that satisfies both ends of the user spectrum. Pulling WME SE Beta from the website is a part of that re-structuring, as unfortunate as it may seem. That's really all I can say on the topic at this moment. Ben might be able to elaborate on the subject of WME SE, but it's entirely at his discretion.

[benwaggoner]

PEP is free for PRO's and people who in love with MS:)

For Zambelli and Ben Waggoner my question:
Why impossible to share PEP for community like doom9?
Imho, its a better way to push HD-DVD and VC-1 codec over BD :)

It's very much a high-touch technology (not really a product), and really assumes a full day of training and a few weeks of full-time work with it before professional results are possible. So, the support costs for us are high, and so we only increase the breadth of distribution when we're able to support it. Hobbyists would have all kinds of legitimate complaints about workflow, ecetera, which we woudn't address. For example, the only supported input file type is .yuv.

In general, the bar to get it is to have a HD DVD or BD muxer capable of .vc1 support, and to be working on making broadly distributed titles. Addtionally, attending a full-day training session is mandatory.

Of course, we want this techology out there in the world as broadly as possible, but PEP as of today isn't planned to be our mechanism to get it out there.

Anyone who feels they really should have it, but don't, feel free to PM me.

[benwaggoner]

Is there a chance that I can get PET? Anything less annoying than the Windows Media Encoder 9 is highly appreciated, especially since WME Studio Edition is no longer available. Can PET encode to wmv format or raw VC-1 only? Why is it not mentioned in the pro section of the Windows Media website?
There's a huge number of commerical tools that make WMV files other than Windows Media Enoder. Do none of those solutions meet your needs, or are you looking for something free?

[benwaggoner]

Hi all,
No way today to mux a VC1 video file on WMV container
(Solveig ASF tool don't work) ?
VC1 is not compatible with WMV tool (Windows Media Stream Editor,...).
I need to test VC1 video file with some chipsets, but all platforms
with this chipset can play VC1 when it mux on WMV container...

If you're using a device that wants to us a WMV file, it also might not be optimized for the buffer model a HD DVD-targeted file might use. The output of PEP is really meant for HD DVD/BD, and other scenarios aren't being focused on.

[Dmitry Vergheles]

Yes, I encode it. But I can not recode it (if I don't use Graphedit).

I can send you a small part of VC1 video file encode with PEP encoder
of Microsoft (first application for this file is HD DVD).

But I need to read it on HD hardware player which can accept
VC1 only in WMV container.


Golgot13

It would be nice if we have a chance to download a sample of such a file.

[crypto]

Hi Dmitry,

Those VC-1 ES streams are PES encapsulated VC-1 raw streams. The asf muxer seems not to accept those stream. How are the input streams validated?

[Dmitry Vergheles]

Hi Dmitry,

Those VC-1 ES streams are PES encapsulated VC-1 raw streams. The asf muxer seems not to accept those stream. How are the input streams validated?

Actually the ASF muxer is DirectShow filter to connect with any upstream filter.
As far as I understand this ES stream is unable to be renddered in DirectShow.

Nevertheless we can make console app to parse VC-1 and feed video to ASF Muxer

[zambelli]

Actually the ASF muxer is DirectShow filter to connect with any upstream filter.
As far as I understand this ES stream is unable to be renddered in DirectShow.
Another solution is to make a VC-1 ES DirectShow parser filter that can connect the video stream output to the ASF muxer.

[Dmitry Vergheles]

Another solution is to make a VC-1 ES DirectShow parser filter that can connect the video stream output to the ASF muxer.

Of course :) Do you think such a filter if it were public could be interesting for people?

[crypto]

I would be interested :)

[Dmitry Vergheles]

I would be interested :)

Could you clarify what for? :)

[crypto]

A VC-1 ES splitter would be great. Are you working on such a filter? I am thinking about writing a vc1es2avi tool which wouldn't be necessary, if such a filter exists.

[Golgot13]

But we need a muxer to wmv container.
All (my) VC1 hardware player can play VC1 on WMV,
no ASF :(





Golgot13

[foxyshadis]

But WMV is ASF! That's why all the splitters/muxers are named ASF. Maybe your hardware player requires certain bits to be set in the headers though?

[Dmitry Vergheles]

A VC-1 ES splitter would be great. Are you working on such a filter? I am thinking about writing a vc1es2avi tool which wouldn't be necessary, if such a filter exists.

Yeah I think we will implement such a filter. I suppose the first simple version will be availabe in a week.

Also we could implement VC-1 parsing functionality to our ASF Muxer and in this case it would be possible to connect it just with File Source Filter.

[crypto]

Dmitry, that's good news. If there is something to test, let me know.

[veffremov]

PEP is free for PRO's and people who in love with MS:)


Not quite correct. We have provided free version for evaluation purposes. Love is not required.

[veffremov]

Yeah I think we will implement such a filter. I suppose the first simple version will be availabe in a week.


This should be rally easy, you need only to cook the initial media type and then parse the frame/sequence/eph start codes.

You need to bundle the seauence header and entry point header (if present) with the frame that follows.

Append any user data with the previous frame.

You need to combine both fields of the frame in one sample.

Each sample data should look like:
{seqh}{eph}<frame| field1 field2>{user data}

The elements in {} are optional and may not be present in the stream for every frame.

I have seen files with leading 0s before each start code. You should ignote these (only the leading 0s not the 0x00 0x00 0x01 start code itself).

The only problem is that there are no frame timestamps and there may be no framerate information, so you'll need to make educated guess how to generate the timestamps.

That should about cover it.

[LOGiC]

@Golgot13 / all

how is it possible to mux .vc1 in .ts container ? I already tried a lot of things, Manzanita does not seem to recognize the raw file. Whatever I do, I just get "Video never acquired". Can you please give me some help for this ?

Thank you in advance.

[LOGiC]

@all,

sorry, but I would like to come back to this thread again. It was discussed that one managed to bring .vc1 to .ts container. May I have some hints how you did this ?

[zambelli]

Yeah I think we will implement such a filter. I suppose the first simple version will be availabe in a week.

Also we could implement VC-1 parsing functionality to our ASF Muxer and in this case it would be possible to connect it just with File Source Filter.
Hi Dmitry,
Did you ever get around to adding VC-1 ES muxing functionality to your ASF muxer?

[Schmendrick]

@LOGIC:
The MainConcept Multiplexer contained within the EMuxer Pro Package of Elecard found on www.elecard.com is able to properly mux VC1-ES-files into ts-files. Using graphedit you have to open the VC1-ES-file with the File Source(Async.) filter then connect it to the Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer-filter (which is also contained in the EMuxer Pro Package) as this seems to properly feed the VC1-ES-stream. The VC1-Output Pin of the Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer which is also indicated as "VC1" then is connected to the input pin of the MainConcept Multiplexer and this is connected to the Dump-filter to write the ts-file. On the Mainconcept Multiplexer using a right click on it you will have to to choose "Filter properties" and there on the "Main"-card you have to select "Transport stream" if it is not already selected.
Timing Mode has to be changed from Capture Mode to "Reconstruction Mode". On the left window the "PES (0) Free" stream has to be deleted by a right click and "Delete Stream". Finally the window closed clicking on OK.
Now you should "play" this graph to convert the VC1-File.
As the graph does not stop by itself you will have to watch the size of the output file, if it does not increase any longer you will have to close graphedit without attempting to stop the graph as graphedit otherwise hangs.

The resulting ts-VC1-File is playable with the "WMVideo Decoder DMO" or with a newer "ffdshow Video Decoder"
also a new "Haali Media Spitter" should be installed to properly demux the ts-file. When muxing the ts-file also audio-file can be muxed together with the VC1-file.

Schmendrick

[fbd]

@LOGIC:
The MainConcept Multiplexer contained within the EMuxer Pro Package of Elecard found on www.elecard.com is able to properly mux VC1-ES-files into ts-files. Using graphedit you have to open the VC1-ES-file with the File Source(Async.) filter then connect it to the Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer-filter (which is also contained in the EMuxer Pro Package) as this seems to properly feed the VC1-ES-stream. The VC1-Output Pin of the Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer which is also indicated as "VC1" then is connected to the input pin of the MainConcept Multiplexer and this is connected to the Dump-filter to write the ts-file. On the Mainconcept Multiplexer using a right click on it you will have to to choose "Filter properties" and there on the "Main"-card you have to select "Transport stream" if it is not already selected.
Timing Mode has to be changed from Capture Mode to "Reconstruction Mode". On the left window the "PES (0) Free" stream has to be deleted by a right click and "Delete Stream". Finally the window closed clicking on OK.
Now you should "play" this graph to convert the VC1-File.
As the graph does not stop by itself you will have to watch the size of the output file, if it does not increase any longer you will have to close graphedit without attempting to stop the graph as graphedit otherwise hangs.

The resulting ts-VC1-File is playable with the "WMVideo Decoder DMO" or with a newer "ffdshow Video Decoder"
also a new "Haali Media Spitter" should be installed to properly demux the ts-file. When muxing the ts-file also audio-file can be muxed together with the VC1-file.

Schmendrick

Hi Schmendrick,

I can read with my SetTopBox a .ts file with your process, but the audio track is desync and the movie track is too speed...

I mux a .vc1 with .ac3 and the .vc1 is demux with evodemux.
The framerate is 29.97fps ,can I force the framerate to 23.976?

[Schmendrick]

@fbd:
As I am from "PAL"-land and not from "NTSC"-land (even though being from France you also have SECAM/PAL-25 fps material regularily) my material is all 25 fps so I am not familiar about these framerate problems. So far I have not found any options to modify the framerate. The Multiplex only reports the "reported framerate" but there is no option to modify it. Possibly there even might be also an interlaced versus progressive-frame rate problem as my VC1-clip is reported as 50 fps even I I assume it actually is 25 fps.

At last this so far was the only method I have found out to obatain a viewable video-file from a raw VC1-file.

So I cannot help you any further.

Schmendrick

[fbd]

:thanks: Schmendrick.

[levick]

Hi,

I have been following the VC1 threads with interest.
I have managed to use Graphedit to string together splitters and filters to display the video information so I can convert to MPEG if need be. My luck has been good with small files of several minutes of video information, I cannot open a file that is much bigger then this at all. My system hangs or times out. I suspect my computer is in the ark compared with what is needed to work these HD formats and any size. Can I have an idea as to what spec of computer would get me in the door to work these files without timeout problems?

Cheers

Levick

[squeakyboy]

Well when I am remuxing VC-1 into an asf or wmv container, I am typically using about 10% of my cpu, and between 1-10% of that is actually consumed by the muxer.

I am typically muxing 1-5GB files on my athlon XP 2500+. So you don't need superb hardware, just clean files and the correct filters. If your comp has the power to run XP then it can easily do it.

[ACrowley]

Yes, I can with Manzanita software but it's not WMV container.
Because the HD hardware player can not play VC1 on ts container, it play VC1 on WMV container (I think some hardware player
will need to be upgraded to play VC1 on *.ts file).
I listen that all HD STB hardware player can play VC1 in DVB (same at TS container) but only when it is live broadcast.


Golgot13


Hä ?

Manzanita MP2TSME cant mux VC1 into TS ?
Only Mpeg2 ,H264 but no VC1


Read here, no VC1 multiplexing into TS
http://www.manzanitasystems.com/mp2tsme.html

[pandy]

Hä ?

Manzanita MP2TSME cant mux VC1 into TS ?
Only Mpeg2 ,H264 but no VC1


Read here, no VC1 multiplexing into TS
http://www.manzanitasystems.com/mp2tsme.html

VC1 can be muxed as PRIVATE DATA with proper descriptors as says SMPTE RP227.

[mohsin3m]

@LOGIC:
The MainConcept Multiplexer contained within the EMuxer Pro Package of Elecard found on www.elecard.com is able to properly mux VC1-ES-files into ts-files. Using graphedit you have to open the VC1-ES-file with the File Source(Async.) filter then connect it to the Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer-filter (which is also contained in the EMuxer Pro Package) as this seems to properly feed the VC1-ES-stream. The VC1-Output Pin of the Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer which is also indicated as "VC1" then is connected to the input pin of the MainConcept Multiplexer and this is connected to the Dump-filter to write the ts-file. On the Mainconcept Multiplexer using a right click on it you will have to to choose "Filter properties" and there on the "Main"-card you have to select "Transport stream" if it is not already selected.
Timing Mode has to be changed from Capture Mode to "Reconstruction Mode". On the left window the "PES (0) Free" stream has to be deleted by a right click and "Delete Stream". Finally the window closed clicking on OK.
Now you should "play" this graph to convert the VC1-File.
As the graph does not stop by itself you will have to watch the size of the output file, if it does not increase any longer you will have to close graphedit without attempting to stop the graph as graphedit otherwise hangs.

The resulting ts-VC1-File is playable with the "WMVideo Decoder DMO" or with a newer "ffdshow Video Decoder"
also a new "Haali Media Spitter" should be installed to properly demux the ts-file. When muxing the ts-file also audio-file can be muxed together with the VC1-file.

Schmendrick

First off, I'd like to thank everyone who participated in this thread. It's been truly helpful.

@Schmendrick, I tried this procedure but when i decode the muxed file in ffmpeg (latest) to get yuv's, the output yuv is just the first frame repeated ...

any idea what I could be missing or some additional settings ... ?

Thanx
mohsin3m

[ACrowley]

VC1 can be muxed as PRIVATE DATA with proper descriptors as says SMPTE RP227.

i will try it with my mp2tsme 4 Version...dindt know that

However VC1 in TS is uselsess for me

Ok ,but how can i mux vc1 into proper wmv Container ?

[crypto]

I am currently coding the vc1es2avi tool. First tests show that the resulting avi muxes properly into wmv and other formats plus it can be used in VirtualDub, thus allowing cutting and recoding.

[Golgot13]

i will try it with my mp2tsme 4 Version...dindt know that

However VC1 in TS is uselsess for me


Because you have a release version, but Beta version from last year (before release)
can do it (be carefull with VBV, you must to put it manually).

The problem with VC1 on TS are that HD Box can't play it (problem of firmware player).


I try to mux VC1 on mp4 container(to test), but there is only one way to play
VC1 from professional tool on video box : mux VC1 on WMV

[crypto]

I have uploaded an AVI sample made with vc12avi from a HD-DVD .vc1 elementary stream for tests. It should play out of the box via avi splitter and WMV DMO, should open in VirtualDub w/ ffdshow and mux into WMV using the Dmitry's ASF muxer.

VC-1 AVI Sample 28 MB (http://dvbportal.dyn1.de/download2.php?file=logopathe.avi)

[Jay Bee]

Sweet. Is there a test version available?

[zambelli]

Very cool, Crypto - I'm looking forward to the release of this tool!

[crypto]

The first version of the VC12AVI tool is ready for testing. I opened a new thread here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128943)

[HD-DVD±RW]

VC1 can be muxed as PRIVATE DATA with proper descriptors as says SMPTE RP227.

Have you done this? If so, can you share the settings (mp2ts)? I've tried several times and cannot.

[ACrowley]

I managed to remux VC1 from HDDVD with WMA Audio reencoded from DD+ into a conform WMV File

1.Demux your Evo/M2ts to VC1 ES
2.vc1conv to remove Pullddown
3.VC12AVI to mux VC1 into AVI Container
4.Solveig ASF Muxer to mux VC1 AVI to ASF Container
5.Reencode your Audio to WMA. Use eac3to to get 6 mono waves from DD+/TrueHD/LPCM and use WMencoder
6.WMStreameditor to mux a conform WMV File

I made a Sample from HDDVD 1080p VC1 with a DD+ to WMA reencode, properly remuxed to conform a WMV File.
Playback with Xbox360 Dashboardplayer should be possible, so far i can see it plays smooth

http://rapidshare.com/files/55317811...REMUX.wmv.html

[nowhere2007]

VC1 can be muxed as PRIVATE DATA with proper descriptors as says SMPTE RP227.

I'd like to know the secret combination of descriptors that will work with MP2TSME. All I'm able to get out is of MP2TSME is a "Video never acquired" message.

Xmuxer works for VC1, but is brutally slow...

[zambelli]

I managed to remux VC1 from HDDVD with WMA Audio reencoded from DD+ into a conform WMV File

1.Demux your Evo/M2ts to VC1 ES
2.vc1conv to remove Pullddown
3.VC12AVI to mux VC1 into AVI Container
4.Solveig ASF Muxer to mux VC1 AVI to ASF Container
5.Reencode your Audio to WMA. Use eac3to to get 6 mono waves from DD+/TrueHD/LPCM and use WMencoder
6.WMStreameditor to mux a conform WMV File
:goodpost:
That's very cool - glad to know all the tools are working together correctly!

[pandy]

I'd like to know the secret combination of descriptors that will work with MP2TSME. All I'm able to get out is of MP2TSME is a "Video never acquired" message.

Xmuxer works for VC1, but is brutally slow...

accordingly to the www.miravid.com

"Carriage of VC-1 encoded video within a transport stream is, in fact, fairly straightforward: In the PMT,
the stream_type is 0xEA, rather than 0x02 for an MPEG-2 video elementary stream. Also, the inner
loop of the PMT entry describing the VC-1 stream should have a
registration_descriptor
with a
formatidentifier
of "VC-1" (0x56432d31), and optionally a bit of information about the stream's
characteristics. That's it!"

So we can put by manzanita private data (CBR VC1) and set stream_type as a 0xEA.

[Usa1955]

How does it work the other way around?

I'm searching for a way to get a VC1 stream (and WMA-stream) out of a WMV Container. Any idea how this could be achieved? thanks

[crypto]

If you want to get a VC-1 elementary stream out of the wmv file, look for the VC-1 es writer filter or the vc1_info tool by stegre in this forum.

[depechefan]

I have managed to mux a true HD rip to .wma and the video to a wmv. However, Windows Media Stream Editor is saying that "All audiences in the content tree must have the same content type."

I thought people were using WMSE to mux the two streams together without problems! ARG! Last step in this 3 month project!!!

[crypto]

I have managed to mux a true HD rip to .wma and the video to a wmv. However, Windows Media Stream Editor is saying that "All audiences in the content tree must have the same content type."

You are nearly there:

1. Add the video stream and transfer it to the right side
2. Add the audio stream on the left side
3. Open the nodes down to Audio
4. Check the Audio stream xxx Kbps node and transfer it to the right side (The right side's selection should be on Audience xx Mbps node from the video during this)
5. Click Create File
6. Click Start to mux.

[depechefan]

You are nearly there:

1. Add the video stream and transfer it to the right side
2. Add the audio stream on the left side
3. Open the nodes down to Audio
4. Check the Audio stream xxx Kbps node and transfer it to the right side (The right side's selection should be on Audience xx Mbps node from the video during this)
5. Click Create File
6. Click Start to mux.

THANK YOU! #4 was what I wasn't doing right! Mux worked perfectly! I'm so stoked to finally have done my first one!

[acribb]

I managed to remux VC1 from HDDVD with WMA Audio reencoded from DD+ into a conform WMV File

1.Demux your Evo/M2ts to VC1 ES
2.vc1conv to remove Pullddown
3.VC12AVI to mux VC1 into AVI Container
4.Solveig ASF Muxer to mux VC1 AVI to ASF Container
5.Reencode your Audio to WMA. Use eac3to to get 6 mono waves from DD+/TrueHD/LPCM and use WMencoder
6.WMStreameditor to mux a conform WMV File

I made a Sample from HDDVD 1080p VC1 with a DD+ to WMA reencode, properly remuxed to conform a WMV File.
Playback with Xbox360 Dashboardplayer should be possible, so far i can see it plays smooth

http://rapidshare.com/files/55317811...REMUX.wmv.html

Actually, no dice on this. I just created an WMV-HD file using this method and the 23mbps is just too high for the Xbox 360 to handle. I am getting intermittent video flicker and dropout while playing through the Xbox 360 dashboard with Fall 2007 update. I probably saw about 20 video flickers or video pauses throughout the entire movie. It is watchable, however, not perfect. My 360 is wired cat5 to my pc. The video I tested with was the Erin Brockovich HD-DVD which is full 1:85:1 aspect ratio.

I just thought I would let the forum know so as not to waste your time with this. Unfortunately, the extremely long process of re-encoding the video to lesser bitrates is an absolute must to get perfect streaming WMV-HD video on the 360.

From #4 in the Xbox 360 December 2007 Video Playback FAQ:

WMV VC1 -
Video Bitrate: 15 Mbps with resolutions of 1920 x 1080 at 30fps. See question number 11 for more information.
http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/11/30/december-2007-video-playback-faq.aspx

[ACrowley]

yes..ofcourse such high Bitrate VC1 Video Streams from Bluray/HDDVD are not playing smooth!

But a WVC1 reencode to 1080p makes Problems too!
2pass VBR Peak abocve 12Mbps plays not smooth , even not for 720p!
Only in CBR Mode !
So for 1080p WVC1 encoding better use CBR..
I made 1080p WVC1 encodes with 1pass VBR ,Buffer 60000.
CBR Bitare ~18Mbps, plays nice

[acribb]

Thanks for the tips!

Acrowley - can you give me your wmcmd.vbs optimal settings for the highest quality that the xbox 360 can take as well as your wmcmd.vbs for the highest quality that fits on a DVD9 (either 720p or 1080p, whichever looks better).

With my old machine, it is taking just way too long to experiment when it takes two days to encode!

[puppydg68]

Hey guys PLaystation 3 now supports VC1 in a WMV container. Do you think this method will produce something the PS3 can handle?

PS3 blu-ray owners could now buy an HD-DVD(VC1) and convert it to play in their ps3. Could have the best of both worlds, on one unit!

[ACrowley]

Thanks for the tips!

Acrowley - can you give me your wmcmd.vbs optimal settings for the highest quality that the xbox 360 can take as well as your wmcmd.vbs for the highest quality that fits on a DVD9 (either 720p or 1080p, whichever looks better).

With my old machine, it is taking just way too long to experiment when it takes two days to encode!


Just use a preset . I use -v_preset better with mslevel 3.
Quality is really good.
#This 2pass VBR Peak 12Mbps 720p Encode takes around 20h on my X2 @5000

cscript.exe c:\windows\wmcmd.vbs -input g:\bourne1\bourne1.avs -output g:\bourne1\bourne1.wmv -v_codec WVC1 -videoonly -v_mode 4 -v_preset better -v_bitrate 8750000 -v_peakbitrate 12000000 -v_peakbuffer 10000 -v_mslevel 3 -v_mmatch 0 -log g:\bourne1\log.txt

Ofcourse you can use preset best or more. But this commandline is a really good balanced between quality and speed

[acribb]

Thanks Acrowley! Can you show me your AVS script?

My avs is:
Directshowsource("G:\WMV-HD Encoding\encoding tools\video_only.grf", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=190200)
spline36resize(1280,720)

I am using the following command line and it is showing 103 hours to go for the 2nd pass!

cscript.exe "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder\wmcmd.vbs" -input "G:\WMV-HD Encoding\encoding tools\video_only
.avs" -output "H:\WMV-HD Encoding\miamivideo.wmv" -v_codec WVC1 -videoonly -v_mode 4 -v_preset best -v_bitrate 8765000
-v_peakbitrate 12000000 -v_peakbuffer 10000 -v_mmatch 0
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.6
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1996-2001. All rights reserved.

Microsoft (R) Windows Media Encoder Command Line Script Utility
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Warning: Encoder failed to retrieve duration attribute from source plug-in.
Trying alternate method now......
Source duration retrieved: 7932.938 seconds.

======== Begin Pass1 ========
Read: 7932.8s (100%) Elapsed: 09:54:40 Left: 00:00:01 [0.22x]

======== Begin Pass2 ========
Encoded: 191.3s (2.4%) Elapsed: 02:33:44 Left: 103:42:10 [0.02x]

I'm thinking ABORT?

[acribb]

I am in the middle of encoding and it is on the second pass. I went and took a peek and tried to play the video that has been created thus far in WMP and the video looked pixelated, blocky and had funky colors in spots. Is this normal and will this go away once the encode is finished? 27 hours to go....

Thanks for any input.

[dburckh]

Hey guys PLaystation 3 now supports VC1 in a WMV container. Do you think this method will produce something the PS3 can handle?

PS3 blu-ray owners could now buy an HD-DVD(VC1) and convert it to play in their ps3. Could have the best of both worlds, on one unit!

I played with this and couldn't get an HD DVD VC1 stream to play on PS3.

The best I could get was following this process. I created a file the PS3 would give the information on, but wouldn't play. Played fine in WMP.

EvoDemux
VC1ToAvi
Mux in wma2 audio and remux to .wmv with ffmpeg

Notes:
I tried vc1conv the stream too, same results.
PS3 won't even try to play a WMV with no audio

[crypto]

@dburckh
Two more things you can try:
1. Remux the result with the Windows Media Stream Editor (part of WME9, but can also run without installing WME9)
2. In step 1 use TSRemux instead of EvoDemux

[SeeMoreDigital]

1. Remux the result with the Windows Media Stream Editor (part of WME9, but can also run without installing WME9)Interesting.... I tried doing running Windows Media Stream Editor without installing WME9 a while ago but failed. What's the secret?

[crypto]

Copy these files and run regsvr32 on the DLLs. All three tools are working:

Windows Media File Editor
Windows Media Profile Editor
Windows Media Stream Editor


Directory of C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder

11.12.2002 18:38 150.528 StreamEditor.dll
11.12.2002 18:38 178.176 wmeditor.exe
11.12.2002 18:38 1.491.456 WMEncEng.dll
11.12.2002 18:38 929.280 wmex.dll
11.12.2002 18:38 242.176 WMEXres.dll
11.12.2002 18:38 32.256 WMProEdt.exe
11.12.2002 18:38 32.256 wmstreamedt.exe
7 File(s) 3.056.128 bytes

[bond]

moved to container forum

[dburckh]

@dburckh
Two more things you can try:
1. Remux the result with the Windows Media Stream Editor (part of WME9, but can also run without installing WME9)
2. In step 1 use TSRemux instead of EvoDemux

I tried both of those as well. No luck.

[idbirch2]

It was mentioned a bit further up that the 360 can't handle the high bitrates of HD-DVD VC-1 when remuxed into WMV and streamed from a PC. Linksys have just put out there new v2 extender - the 2100/2200 which in the manual boasts VC-1 Advanced Profile Level 4 and I'm wondering if they can handle it....?

[Beastie Boy]

I too have read that the 360 has problems playing back vc1 direct from HD-DVD, but my experience says otherwise.
I have remuxed both Batman Begins (approx 16GB for 2hr 23min) and The Last Samurai (approx 21GB for 2hr 34min) and both playback without problems.
Maybe the problems that have been reported are network related rather than the fault of the 360.

Edit: I also have a test file that I made. It's a 1 min segment from Transformers that I encoded using 2 pass VBR, 20Mb/sec bitrate with 30Mb/sec peak. The final file averaged just over 20Mb/sec but I have no idea what the peaks are. This also plays back flawlessly over my network.

Cheers, Beastie.

[idbirch2]

Hi Beastie, are you using the steps mentioned futher up this page or have you managed to refine the process? If you are using a slightly different method, could you post the exact steps you are taking? Are any of the new features in eac3to reducing the complexity of this task?

[Beastie Boy]

As requested, here are the steps I used to play back the original vc1 stream on the 360. I can't take any credit for the method, but can confirm that it works. I have so far copied 3 HD-DVDs to my network; Batman Begins, The Last Samurai and 300.

1) Demux the required video (vc1) and audio streams using eac3to. The audio can be demuxed directly to 6 mono wave files using the .wavs extension

eg eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO 1: video.vc1 4: audio.wavs

The eac3to thread contains a great deal of info regarding the use of this tool for those that are unfamiliar with it.

2) Remove pulldown flagging by running the vc1 file through vc1conv. Note that madshi may soon include this step within the eac3to tool (Thanks madshi)

3) Convert vc1 file to AVI using vc12avi. At present, this splits the output file into 2GB chunks, so...

4) Use VirtualDub to open the first AVI video.00.avi. Append video.01.avi and make sure the option is checked to automtically load successive files. VirtualDub mode may display an error saying that there is no suitable decompressor. Just click OK and ignore it as no decompressor is required for Direct Stream Copy. Save the AVI ensuring that Direct Stream Copy is ticked.

5) Load the large AVI file into Solveif ASFMuxer and output an asf file with asf file extension.

6) Encode the 6 mone wave files to WMA format. My tool of choice for this is Windows Media Encoder.

7) Mux the .asf and .wma files to WMV using Windows Stream Editor. Tip: Add both files into the left hand side window, fully expand both files by clicking the little + symbol next to each one, put a tick in the last box next to each file and then click the Add button between both windows. The output window will now contain the output or 'Audience' (?). Save a WMV file.

Since I am using a standard version of XP, I share files to my 360 using WMP11. Both my PC and 360 are connected via a Gigabit router and the files all play without any stutter or dropouts. Skipping and Fast Foreward also work without issue.
(The file may stutter for the fist 1.5 - 2 secs but run smoothly thereafter)

I have written this completly from memory as I am at work at the moment, so I apologise in advance for any errors.

Cheers, Beastie.

[Beastie Boy]

Just a thought...

If eac3to is updated to remove the pulldown flags from the vc1 file, perhaps this vc1 or mkv file could then be loaded directly into WMV Muxer (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120320) to produce a compliant wmv/asf file. This would cut out most of the steps described above.

As yet, I haven't used WMV Muxer but will give it a try when I get the chance.

Cheers, Beastie.

[idbirch2]

Well, thanks to the instructions provided by Beastie, I've got this working. The only problem is when a scene contains almost complete white or almost complete black, the screen flickers a lot. I have converted "The Kingdom" using the above method and right at the start, just as the sun is coming up over the universal globe, there is a flickering. Once the scene lightens up a bit, it's gone.

Likewise, just before the 12 minute marker, there is a huge explosion followed by the screen going completely white, once this happens, the screen flickers really badly. I don't believe this is bitrate related as the actual explosion, which has lots of fire, smoke and debris detail is fine. My TV is a Tosh 42X3030 LCD but that has nothing to do with it as another 360 hooked up to a crappy old 20" CRT does exactly the same.

I'm currently uploading a sample of this scene and would be really greatful if someone here could test it on their 360 for me. For reference, I'm using Windows Vista Ultimate and streaming to the 360 dash (with Fall 07 dash). Playing from the Extender interface does not work at all, just freezes the 360.

I'll post a link to the sample as soon as it's done (about 20 mins).

[idbirch2]

Sample here (http://www.mediafire.com/?fmj9ijcxcjj).

[Beastie Boy]

I'm glad this is working for you. I'm afraid I can't help with the flickering you describe. The only artifact that I've noticed so far is one bad frame half way through Batman Begins where the screen goes completely blocky for one frame. I suspect this is at the join between the 2 EVOs.
I would love to test your sample but download sites are blocked at work, and I'm between ISPs at home at the moment, but hopefully someone else can test this. Out of interest, do you see the same flickering when the original disc is played back, or on similar scenes on another HD DVD?

Cheers, Beastie.

[meansizzler]

I have a question, when you convert the audio to wma 5.1, what frequency do you use?

16 or 24bit?, 192/96/48hz?..

How do you find out these settings for the source file?

[dburckh]

@dburckh
Two more things you can try:
1. Remux the result with the Windows Media Stream Editor (part of WME9, but can also run without installing WME9)
2. In step 1 use TSRemux instead of EvoDemux

I finally got VC-1 to play on a PS3! Here's what I had to do:

1. Demux a BluRay VC-1 stream (HD DVD doesn't work).
2. Mux the stream with VC12Avi
3. Mux in the audio with ffmpeg (You can skip this step)
4. Remux to WMV with Solveig ASF Muxer (May crash, but still works).

Play your video on the PS3! (The PS3 may say it's corrupted, but it still plays)

I tried remuxing to avi, m2ts, no luck. Appears to just support WMV.

[Sparky101]

Thanks for that dburckh, I've been trying to get VC-1 streams to play on the PS3 myself, great that you've had some success. A few questions though. When you mux the stream with vc12avi, do you get multiple 2GB files created as the output? If so how do you then join them back together again, can you just do a copy /b on them? Second question, what type of audio did you mux back in with the video, AC3?

[Sparky101]

Also could you post the command line you used to mux the audio with ffmpeg, I'm not familiar with that program. Cheers.

[idbirch2]

You can join the avis with VirtualDub. Open the first of the set, ignoring the error message then use File -> Append to add the second. Ensure the box for appending any other files in the set is ticked and then just save as a new AVI.

[Sparky101]

Cool, thanks idbirch2. Got the avi's joined and the timecodes are correct now in the resultant avi file. Now next issue :-), I've got something which kind of worked with ffmpeg but the muxed avi output file plays weird. The audio is fine, the video plays in fast forward, probably around double speed and the timeline at the bottom of MPC or WMP reaches the end of the film in about a minute but it carries on playing albeit in FF mode. This was the command line I used with ffmpeg:

C:\Program Files\ffmpeg>ffmpeg -r 23.976 -i "L:\Ocean's 13.avi" -f ac3 -i "L:\Ocean's 13.ac3" -ab 640000 -vcodec copy -acodec copy -f avi "G:\Ocean's 13 muxed.avi"

Is there something else I need to add into that? I'm getting close now to playing VC-1 titles on my PS3, I can smell it!!

[Sparky101]

I think it's got something to do with interleaving. MPC shows me this before starting to play it, I'm sure it'll mean something to someone.

http://www.btinternet.com/~mark.rayson/Interleaving.jpg

[dburckh]

Cool, thanks idbirch2. Got the avi's joined and the timecodes are correct now in the resultant avi file. Now next issue :-), I've got something which kind of worked with ffmpeg but the muxed avi output file plays weird. The audio is fine, the video plays in fast forward, probably around double speed and the timeline at the bottom of MPC or WMP reaches the end of the film in about a minute but it carries on playing albeit in FF mode. This was the command line I used with ffmpeg:

C:\Program Files\ffmpeg>ffmpeg -r 23.976 -i "L:\Ocean's 13.avi" -f ac3 -i "L:\Ocean's 13.ac3" -ab 640000 -vcodec copy -acodec copy -f avi "G:\Ocean's 13 muxed.avi"

Is there something else I need to add into that? I'm getting close now to playing VC-1 titles on my PS3, I can smell it!!

I hate to be a downer, but I couldn't get AC3 to work. Further, I only used a 500MB segment. I had to use -acodec wmav2. You may be able to get WMA3 to work if you want 5.1 (ffmpeg doesn't support this codec, but it may mux it). Couple other things, I didn't force the framerate because BluRay is already 23.976, I don't think -ab does anything there since you are copying. Here's what I did from memory.

ffmpeg -i video.avi -i audio.ac3 -ab 192k -ac 2 -acodec wmav2 outFile.wmv

[Sparky101]

Hmm, that's a pity. Is WMA3 the same as WMA Pro? Reading Wikipedia it suggests only WMA Pro is capable of doing more than 2 channel audio and I'm pretty sure the PS3 doesn't support WMA Pro yet so that's a non starter.

However, I've proceeded with the WMA2 audio as you suggested and got it muxed and playable. Gone through the Remuxing to WMV with Solveig step and the wmv file still works fine on my PC. The PS3 even detects the video as VC-1 but then gives the unsupported format error when trying to play it.

[dburckh]

I'll try to do the entire movie and see what happens. I read something about a 2GB limitation. I don't know if that applies here.

[Ballistix]

Hi guys, I'm having real trouble with Virtualdub.

I've followed this thread and others here, great forums btw, but I just can't get VirtualDub to stitch my AVIs together.

It comes up with the "Couldn't locate Decompressor format etc etc" and I just simply can't load any more videos and the Append option is greyed out!! It's an HD movie and it's come from a 15GB VC1 file.

Any help? I've tried everything and I can't get VirtualDub to load these files in.

Hope someone can help.

Regards,
B

[Beastie Boy]

Try VirtualDubMod. I don't know if it will make a difference, but it is what I use.

Cheers, Beastie.

[Ballistix]

Brill worked a treat. I now have a WMA audio file and a ASF 15GB hd file. I have two more problems the Windows Media Encoder not opening my 6 files for each channel on the 5.1 so I can mux into one WMA file, it says I don't have the codec! Also...the Windows Stream Editor is throwing an error "The requested Audio Codec is not installed on this system" when I try and load the ASF file, which is the video file! LOL...any ideas?

Tearing my hair out with this one.

B

[Captain-EO]

Well, thanks to the instructions provided by Beastie, I've got this working. The only problem is when a scene contains almost complete white or almost complete black, the screen flickers a lot. I have converted "The Kingdom" using the above method and right at the start, just as the sun is coming up over the universal globe, there is a flickering. Once the scene lightens up a bit, it's gone.

Likewise, just before the 12 minute marker, there is a huge explosion followed by the screen going completely white, once this happens, the screen flickers really badly. I don't believe this is bitrate related as the actual explosion, which has lots of fire, smoke and debris detail is fine. My TV is a Tosh 42X3030 LCD but that has nothing to do with it as another 360 hooked up to a crappy old 20" CRT does exactly the same.

I'm currently uploading a sample of this scene and would be really greatful if someone here could test it on their 360 for me. For reference, I'm using Windows Vista Ultimate and streaming to the 360 dash (with Fall 07 dash). Playing from the Extender interface does not work at all, just freezes the 360.

I'll post a link to the sample as soon as it's done (about 20 mins).


Same problem here with the Kingdom. I tried to change the framerate to 30 fps but no luck. Strange thing is that the movie plays without flickering on my pc on an Acer lcd pc monitor?

[idbirch2]

So have you tried other VC-1 titles and had any success or do they all do this?

[Captain-EO]

So have you tried other VC-1 titles and had any success or do they all do this?


Yes I did. Tried The Bourne Ultimatum, The Kingdom, Shrek 3 and the Pianist. All with no luck.

I even tried to change the Fourcc in asf muxer but again no luck. Have to keep my hd-dvd addon after all.

But i'll keep trying to look for a solution. If I find any I will let you know.

[FoxRacR17]

Any progress on this issue? I am trying it right now with my copy of planet earth on hd-dvd. I demuxed the .vc1, ran it through vc1conv, did vc12avi, combined with vdubmod, muxed to .asf with SMMASF, then muxed with windows stream editor. I then transfered the file to my external 1TB hdd and hooked it up to my 360 via usb, and I get the same flickering the other people are talking about. :(

[ACrowley]

I have a question, when you convert the audio to wma 5.1, what frequency do you use?

16 or 24bit?, 192/96/48hz?..

How do you find out these settings for the source file?


24Bit 48khz..this is what i use

It depends on the Source.
When i have 16Bit waves 48Khz, i take it for wma 10 pro

[Toti]

I get the same screen. In my case it is VC1 2 AVI 1.0.1 It creates an .avi that has a green screen on each of the parts (except the first one).

I didn't noticed this before because I was using small files that I didn't have to join before.

Did another version came out that doesn't cut the file every 2 gigs?

[Koadic]

For those that experience flickering when muxing an untouched vc1 stream into a wmv container and playing on the 360, I believe I have stumbled upon a way to eliminate that problem. Well... it works for me on the vc1 bluray titles I have tried :) Granted it was only 3 of them, but still... Here are the steps I take:

(note: you can start on step 3 with your currently flickering wmv file, just be sure to do video only (File->Close Audio) and then skip to step 5 and remux with your audio from original wmv)

1. rip m2ts from bluray with anydvd
2. mux m2ts (or mkv w/ timecode file) into asf with Solveig ASF Muxer (http://www.solveigmm.com/?Products&id=ASFMuxer), only selecting video (you don't need to rip the vc1 stream and use vc12avi first, but if you have, you can go straight to step 3 without using Solveig's)
as a side note: I am not sure if you can do the same with evo files, but you can always use tsMuxer to create a m2ts from an evo, you can even remove pulldown
3. run asf (or avi from vc12avi) through wmvmuxer (http://www.dvbportal.de/news/index.html) creating a new wmv file (this is the important step, without this video will/may flicker)
4. use your favorite software to convert audio to 5.1 wma10 pro (for ease of use, I use dbPowerAmp (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/) for ac3 files)
5. mux wmv and wma with windows media stream editor

*(8/8/08) Attention, I am not sure if somthing might have changed on my comp or if I didnt quite go far enough into the movies I tested, but it seems like wmv muxer is corrupting the image on the asf/wmv files when processing them to eliminate the flicker. I had noticed it happening when going from mkv or m2ts to wmv with this tool, but I had thought I had overcome this by using an asf/wmv file. I may have been mistaken as I didnt keep the first "successful" conversions around, only kept them long enough to look for any flicker really. They had 'seemed' to play fine, but I may have jumped to the conclusion that it was working correctly. Oh well, guess I am still looking for that 'magic' step for converting these back to wmv.

I had previously discounted using wmvmuxer for anything, as I had tried to go straight from mkv to wmv via direct stream copy with very poor results. While it muxes just fine, the resulting wmv file doesnt play correctly. The above steps work for me and the resulting 20Mbps wmv file plays without any flickering/stuttering over my Wireless N network, while it would flicker if I skipped step 3.

Normally I don't bother with the original untouched stream as I usually re-encode to a smaller vc1 w/ ac3 mkv to use on my home network, and only then convert back to a wmv if I need to burn to a disc to play on different 360 or use the re-encoded video with the original audio to make a vc1 AVCHD disc that can be played in a PS3. But, I started experimenting with Expression Encoder 2 after seeing better video quality over TMPGEnc Xpress w/ WMV PowerToy. After I had converted to mkv, I would get flickering when converting back to wmv. So I ended up trying everything I could get my hands on to make the EE2 encodes work with what I was doing (without the flickering), and fell upon this solution which also works with untouched vc1 streams. I hope this helps someone.

[Beastie Boy]

I will give this a go as I have had this problem in dark scenes on the 360, making the video unwatchable. Will WMVMuxer accept an existing WMV file as input, or do I need to re-rip?

Cheers, Beastie.

[Koadic]

It should accept an existing wmv file, as I had tried it that way with sucess also. I just listed the shortest path to go from original to wmv. Just make sure you only do the video though, I always had it crash when I tried a file with audio if I didnt go to File->Close Audio. You should then be able to remux the audio with windows media stream editor. Let me know if it works :)

[Beastie Boy]

Thanks. This has good at a good time for me. I have just managed to get streaming working again to my 360 (why is it so flaky?) only to find out my files are unwatchable. I was all set to by a NMT based player so this could save me some cash!

Cheers, Beastie.

[Koadic]

I am glad to hear I might be of help with your flickering problem, even though I was never able to fully help with your stuttering problem.

[Oleg Rode]

2. mux m2ts (or mkv w/ timecode file) into asf with Solveig ASF Muxer (http://www.solveigmm.com/?Products&id=ASFMuxer), only selecting video (you don't need to rip the vc1 stream and use vc12avi first, but if you have, you can go straight to step 3 without using Solveig's)
Hm-m-m... Nice feature!:goodpost: I tired of joining splited parts after VC12AVI. By the way... How good does Solveig ASF Muxer work with mkv? Is it a good idea to mux mkv to m2ts for better compatibility? And what is about pulldown? Leave it or remove?
Sorry for my English... :rolleyes:

[Koadic]

So long as you have a splitter for mkv, such as Haali's, Solveig should work just fine (as far as I know), as it works for me. Although, with using this method to create wmv files, I still have the problem with getting them to play correctly on the 360. As per my edit in the post your are quoting, the only way I have been able to get rid of the flickering is using wmv muxer, BUT it corrupts the video. As far as pulldown, I guess if your not having a problem, dont mess with it, you will only need to remove it if you convert to bluray. When you rip with Soveig's though, it will read whatever the framrate is in the original file, and set the asf accordingly, so if the framrate is wrong in the mkv/m2ts, it will be in the asf too.

[Oleg Rode]

BUT it corrupts the video..
So, I tried to mux mkv to asf with Solveig ASF Muxer. And I received *.asf file. But WMV Muxer doesn't want to work with this *.asf file. It just crashes. Windows Media Stream Editor correctly works with my *.asf file. So, I can mux it with audio and play it on PS3, but... video is flickering. So, may be much safer to use this method - MKV-VC1-AVI-WMV? WMV Muxer correctly works with *.avi files, which were created by VC12AVI.
By the way, how does it look that WMV Muxer corrupts the video?

Sorry for my English...

[Koadic]

No matter what kind of file I used in WMV Muxer, whether it be an asf, wmv, mkv, m2ts, or avi, regardless of what programs made them, I would get video corruption.

For avi files, I had tried ripping the raw stream, the loading into vc12avi and running them through VDub to put them back together. I also tried using mkv extract to rip the vc1 into an avi file, which resulted in me having to run it through VDub anyway if the file was over 2GB, it would write the full stream to the avi, but both wmv muxer and solveig's stopped at where the 2GB mark would be, unable to see past it. I have also tried converting to avi then running through solveig's. When viewed through WMSnoop, this looked much truer to the source wmv file, just no AP level information. To see how the corruption looks, all you need to do is try it out and watch the resulting wmv.

I have taken a working wmv file encoded with EE2, run it through solveig's, muxed it back into a wmv. That results in a flickering video but no corruption. If I take the same wmv and run it through wmv muxer, I get corrupted video but no flickering.

From what I can determine, solveig's strips too much information from the source. The wmv I start with, when looked at through mediainfo or wmsnoop, reads AP@L3. After solveig's, no info like that at all. Wmv muxer on the other hand, running the wmv through, it will read AP@L4. It will overwrite any info that is or is not there and the file will play without flickering, only video corruption.

I dont know if the xbox needs the file tagged as AP (advanced profile) to play without flickering, or if it is some other issue. It would be nice if there was a tool to set these values manually, something like h264info.

[digitalis99]

I've been messing with this same problem...flickering on WMV playback on a 360. It definitely does only happen when there is extreme white or black in the video content, which is quite strange.

One interesting thing to note, however, is that playback of a 20Mbps VC1 stream plus multichannel audio is possible without hiccups. Previously in this thread, there seemed to be only the ability to stream 15Mbps or so.

If anyone has found a cure for the flickering, please post back. I'll continue looking myself.

[digitalis99]

I haven't completely figured out why playback flickers, but I have noticed that videos playback without flickering when you view them through Media Center on the Xbox. There appears to be some severe, real-time transcoding, though, as playback of both audio and video stutter due to buffering problems. If you look at task manager on your Media Center box, at least one CPU core will be pegged.

[rica]

Sorry guys, but the question still exists to me:

How can i remux a vc1 raw file to wmv?

[Beastie Boy]

Sorry guys, but the question still exists to me:

How can i remux a vc1 raw file to wmv?

Have you tried this method (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1082042&postcount=78)posted earlier in the thread? I think ASF Muxer also accepts mkv as input, so you could avoid the segmented AVI problem by muxing to mkv instead of AVI.

Cheers, Beastie.

[rica]

Hi Beastie, thanks.

Demuxed VC1 with eac3to,
Remuxed with TSMuxer to TS.
Converted to mkv with GraphStudio:
Haali Splitter > HaaliMuxer.

It can not open either TS or mkv; i get this popup even i can easily open them with GraphStudio:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9845/asfmuxerzw3.th.png (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asfmuxerzw3.png)http://img78.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

If you want to check, here is a short sample:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=610f03b89c15442eab1eab3e9fa335cab06cdcd0e67fa6b9

BTW: i'm on Vista32 SP1.
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[Beastie Boy]

I would suggest muxing straight to mkv with eac3to, and importing that file into ASF Muxer. I'm sure that this worked for me in the past, but it was a while ago so I may be mistaken.

Unfortunately, I'm at work at the moment and the firewall won't let me see your links.

Cheers, Beastie.

[rica]

I've just tried that method as well but nothing has changed.

Thanks again.

[Beastie Boy]

I can't see the error ASF Muxer is showing, but I do remember once having a filter type problem with it. I had to either re-register a filter in the ASF Muxer folder, or re-install the app, I don't remember which. The muxer worked OK again afterwards though.

Cheers, Beastie.

[rica]

I can't see the error ASF Muxer is showing, but I do remember once having a filter type problem with it. I had to either re-register a filter in the ASF Muxer folder, or re-install the app, I don't remember which. The muxer worked OK again afterwards though.

Cheers, Beastie.

As you guess it says:

Fail to build DirectShow filtergraph

And i've found a SMMASF.ax which hasn't been registered; i registered it and it works now.
It was my fault missing that.(missing ax and readme)
:thanks:

Cheers.

[Awax]

Sorry guys, but the question still exists to me:

How can i remux a vc1 raw file to wmv?

This is the method I used to solve the problem I had with VC-1 to WMV:

1) Open TSMuxer and Demux the audio and video into a folder.

2) Open VC12AVI, convert the vc-1 file to an avi (it will output multiple avi files) - This will not convert the video, only remux it.

3) Open Virtualdub, join all the avi files into one avi file (direct stream so as to not lose any quality).

4) Open Windows Media Encoder and convert the avi to wmv - Use the following Settings: CBR - Size 1920x1080, Bit Rate 10Mbs, Frame 23.976, Smoothness 90

5) Open Windows Media Encoder and convert the audio to wma - Use the following Settings: CBR - 384kbs, 48hz, 5.1

6) Open Windows Media Stream Editor and mux the wmv and wma together.

I have not a problem yet using this method.

[rica]

Thanks awax :thanks:

[Audioboxer]

Has anyone ever figured out a way to stop the flickering on a PS3/360?

Or know what causes it?

Thanks :)

[Steve56]

[...]

4) Open Windows Media Encoder and convert the avi to wmv - Use the following Settings: CBR - Size 1920x1080, Bit Rate 10Mbs, Frame 23.976, Smoothness 90

[...]

Wouldn't this reencode the video stream? :confused:

I mean, one of the goals of going this route is not to have a lengthy reencode process.

[Awax]

Wouldn't this reencode the video stream?

I mean, one of the goals of going this route is not to have a lengthy reencode process.

Yes, this would reencode, but I wouldn't call it lengthy. With the method I described, converting the video with WME on my setup took 4.5 hours. Muxing the VC1 into WMV with WMVmuxer took 22 hours.

[Starkenator]

As requested, here are the steps I used to play back the original vc1 stream on the 360. I can't take any credit for the method, but can confirm that it works. I have so far copied 3 HD-DVDs to my network; Batman Begins, The Last Samurai and 300.

1) Demux the required video (vc1) and audio streams using eac3to. The audio can be demuxed directly to 6 mono wave files using the .wavs extension

eg eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO 1: video.vc1 4: audio.wavs

The eac3to thread contains a great deal of info regarding the use of this tool for those that are unfamiliar with it.

2) Remove pulldown flagging by running the vc1 file through vc1conv. Note that madshi may soon include this step within the eac3to tool (Thanks madshi)

3) Convert vc1 file to AVI using vc12avi. At present, this splits the output file into 2GB chunks, so...

4) Use VirtualDub to open the first AVI video.00.avi. Append video.01.avi and make sure the option is checked to automtically load successive files. VirtualDub mode may display an error saying that there is no suitable decompressor. Just click OK and ignore it as no decompressor is required for Direct Stream Copy. Save the AVI ensuring that Direct Stream Copy is ticked.

5) Load the large AVI file into Solveif ASFMuxer and output an asf file with asf file extension.

6) Encode the 6 mone wave files to WMA format. My tool of choice for this is Windows Media Encoder.

7) Mux the .asf and .wma files to WMV using Windows Stream Editor. Tip: Add both files into the left hand side window, fully expand both files by clicking the little + symbol next to each one, put a tick in the last box next to each file and then click the Add button between both windows. The output window will now contain the output or 'Audience' (?). Save a WMV file.

Since I am using a standard version of XP, I share files to my 360 using WMP11. Both my PC and 360 are connected via a Gigabit router and the files all play without any stutter or dropouts. Skipping and Fast Foreward also work without issue.
(The file may stutter for the fist 1.5 - 2 secs but run smoothly thereafter)

I have written this completly from memory as I am at work at the moment, so I apologise in advance for any errors.

Cheers, Beastie.

I don't understand how you are getting this to open in Virtualdub. I load the first 2gb file of the dark knight then I get the error message then I click ok, but after that there is no file loaded or anything. The save to avi is greyed out. I am using version 1.8.8. If someone could tell me what I am doing wrong I would appreciate it.

[Unhandled]

Starkenator-
Use VirtualDubMod. I used version 1.5.10.2 b2542 and it worked for me.

I also have the flickering problem that others have seen. I don't know how to get around this without re-encoding.

[chiwawita]

I have successfully muxed (no conversion) a VC-1 Blu-ray to WMV that plays on my XBOX 360. The "magic ingredient" to remove the flickering is using the latest version of SloveigMM's ASFMuxer which is only available in their Video Editing SDK: http://solveigmm.com/files/SolveigMM_Video_Editing_SDK_1_0.zip. I just followed the steps shown above (vc1toavi, Sloveig, WME Stream Editor) and streamed the final WMV using my QNAP NAS. Hope this helps!

[Oleg Rode]

I have successfully muxed (no conversion) a VC-1 Blu-ray to WMV that plays on my XBOX 360. The "magic ingredient" to remove the flickering is using the latest version of SloveigMM's ASFMuxer which is only available in their Video Editing SDK: http://solveigmm.com/files/SolveigMM_Video_Editing_SDK_1_0.zip. I just followed the steps shown above (vc1toavi, Sloveig, WME Stream Editor) and streamed the final WMV using my QNAP NAS. Hope this helps!
:goodpost:
It looks like SMM_ASFMuxerApp doesn't need registration. BTW is there any way not to install full package? I need only this program.

Sorry for my English

[Midzuki]

:goodpost:
It looks like SMM_ASFMuxerApp doesn't need registration. BTW is there any way not to install full package? I need only this program.

Sorry for my English

You can use just the DirectShow muxing filter and Graphedit.

[ToadMazter]

This is promising news! However, before I start down this path, can anyone confirm if the VC1 WMV file will play on a 360 in "Vista Media Center Extender mode"? As I only use the 360's as extenders (no gaming), I don't want to exit out to the dash.

[Unhandled]

I have successfully muxed (no conversion) a VC-1 Blu-ray to WMV that plays on my XBOX 360. The "magic ingredient" to remove the flickering is using the latest version of SloveigMM's ASFMuxer which is only available in their Video Editing SDK: http://solveigmm.com/files/SolveigMM_Video_Editing_SDK_1_0.zip. I just followed the steps shown above (vc1toavi, Sloveig, WME Stream Editor) and streamed the final WMV using my QNAP NAS. Hope this helps!

Thank you so much for this information. I can confirm that using this version of SolveigMM ASFMuxer results in no flickering.

[ToadMazter]

I successfully ran this process on my Happy Feet HDDVD on Saturday. I'm super stoked that I don't have to transcode the video stream, and I can maintain HD 5.1 audio content. The WMV file streams at almost 14MB/second, and plays fantastic on the XBOX 360 dash when served via Vista WMP11 or my NAS UPnP server. Unfortunately, playing via Vista Media Center is unwatchable as it stutters and skips and pauses constantly. Same result on my Linksys DMA extenders (although they are connected via 5GHz 802.11n wireless, so I need to verify the same result on a hardwired connection). I’m going to test on a W7 MediaCenter to see if has better codec support.

[ToadMazter]

I’m going to test on a W7 MediaCenter to see if has better codec support.

The RC of 7MC (build 7100) is much better, but still won't cut the mustard for viewing 1080P WMV VC1. Hoping it will be fixed for the next RC.

[turbodood]

I'd like to thank all the folks here for all the info and in some cases software. I'm basically trying to do the same thing VC-1 HD-DVD to wmv for 360 playback.

Basically my problems are these. Wmvmuxer never produces a playable file, whether I let it encode the audio, or something else did.

I have a playable wmv file with no audio, and a seperatly encoded wma file but no matter where I check, or when I move it over to the left side, WMSE always gives me the content type message. First I read somewhere else that they could have different languages ... but thats not it.

The only other thing I can think of is that it could be the wma file, and that you are supposed to pick a certain type of encode (file archive, or streaming or whatever) on WME, when you encode it. Nobody mentioned this on the thread though.

Anybody got a clue what I'm missing?

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Update: ok folks for the benift of future people's help let me tell you why I was confused.

The instructions said to add the video, then audio basically. This was leading me to have two seperate audiences. This is what I suggest:

1. Click the new audience so you basically have a blank one

2. add your video, check the bps part, highlight that audience you created, then click add.

3. repeat above for the audio

4. create the file ... and don't get the content type message

Maybe I was just having a brain freeze not realizingthis sooner but, whatever.

[turbodood]

Darnit, I got the flickering too. I already tried the asfmuxer/wmvmuxer/WMSE trick and it didn't help ... though I wonder if its my system frankly. Still anything that wmvmuxer touches comes out unplayable even when WMSE re-muxes it after.

[b66pak]

did you check this out?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1267418#post1267418
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[Koadic]

First, dont bother muxing the AC3 with the avi file. After using ASF Muxer, rename the .asf file to .wmv. Convert the AC3 audio into WMA audio and mux it with the WMV file using Windows Media Stream Editor (included with Windows Media Encoder 9). If you want audio with the PS3, you will have to convert the AC3 into WMA Std 9.2 stereo.

[Koadic]

Not if you want to stream it to the PS3, the only format the PS3 can stream with VC-1 encoded video is WMV, and the only audio you can use with that is WMA 9 stereo (not lossless or WMA 10 Pro). If you want 5.1 audio, you either need to keep it in a M2TS container and split it up to burn to multiple DVD's as BD9's, or create an AVCHD folder that you can copy to a FAT32 Hard Drive, otherwise you will need to transcode it with something like PS3 Media Server or somthing.

[setarip_old]

@Xorp

Hi!i cant drag and drop a file more than 4 gigs though onto a fat32 formatted external harddrive, wtf how do i get around thisI believe you'll find your solution in one of the many capabilities of "multiAVCHD"...

[WildTexasChef]

As requested, here are the steps I used to play back the original vc1 stream on the 360. I can't take any credit for the method, but can confirm that it works. I have so far copied 3 HD-DVDs to my network; Batman Begins, The Last Samurai and 300.

I'm not using HD-DVD's but I have ripped Blu-rays that are using VC-1 content (From NBC/Univeral & BBC). So is the procedure the same? I am assuming it is?


1) Demux the required video (vc1) and audio streams using eac3to. The audio can be demuxed directly to 6 mono wave files using the .wavs extension

eg eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO 1: video.vc1 4: audio.wavs

The eac3to thread contains a great deal of info regarding the use of this tool for those that are unfamiliar with it.


eac3to will work with the M2TS files of Blu-ray. Yet will make one AC3 file for audio is this ok? Is their a reason for Audio. wav's? Wav's can't support 5.1 audio?


2) Remove pulldown flagging by running the vc1 file through vc1conv. Note that madshi may soon include this step within the eac3to tool (Thanks madshi)

My XBox when doing a test of video only will play a VC1 file as is. (No audio) So what is the reasoning for removing the pulldown flagging? Is it possible because since I am using a VC1 video track pulled from a blu-ray that it has allready been removed?


3) Convert vc1 file to AVI using vc12avi. At present, this splits the output file into 2GB chunks, so...


4) Use VirtualDub to open the first AVI video.00.avi. Append video.01.avi and make sure the option is checked to automtically load successive files. VirtualDub mode may display an error saying that there is no suitable decompressor. Just click OK and ignore it as no decompressor is required for Direct Stream Copy. Save the AVI ensuring that Direct Stream Copy is ticked.

5) Load the large AVI file into Solveif ASFMuxer and output an asf file with asf file extension.

Why are we converting the VC1 file to AVI? XBox 360 will play a VC1 file at 1980x1080i without problem?


6) Encode the 6 mone wave files to WMA format. My tool of choice for this is Windows Media Encoder.

I am using Microsoft Expression Encoder 3. It supports converting AC3 to WMA9 Pro maintaining the 5.1 audio. Xbox 360 will play WMA9 Pro 5.1 audio.


7) Mux the .asf and .wma files to WMV using Windows Stream Editor. Tip: Add both files into the left hand side window, fully expand both files by clicking the little + symbol next to each one, put a tick in the last box next to each file and then click the Add button between both windows. The output window will now contain the output or 'Audience' (?). Save a WMV file.


Maybe I missed something earlier. IF I did my apologies. But I haven't figured out how to mux video & audio in Microsoft Expression 3 encoder. Maybe it can be done maybe not. But I also have Windows media 9 encoder 64 bit installed. Is Windows Stream editor in that? Aso is their a reason for having the VC1 converted to ASF? Won't the stream editor mux VC1 with WMA to form a WMV?


Since I am using a standard version of XP, I share files to my 360 using WMP11. Both my PC and 360 are connected via a Gigabit router and the files all play without any stutter or dropouts. Skipping and Fast Foreward also work without issue.
(The file may stutter for the fist 1.5 - 2 secs but run smoothly thereafter)

I have written this completly from memory as I am at work at the moment, so I apologise in advance for any errors.

Cheers, Beastie.

I realize that since the XBox 360 currently only supports Fat32 for USB drives and thus only a 4gb file size. Obviously HD files won't work being played from a USB drive & thus have to be played through WMP11 on the PC.

Here is what I have done with some success...

Rip the Blu-ray. Demuxed the VC1 video track & AC3 5.1 audio track. I started with a very small "Trailer" file so as to keep everything under the 4gb limit for usb drives.

The VC1 video track played just fine (Video only, no sound) by simply renaming it with a WMV extension.

The AC3 5.1 audio track after being converted to a WMA9 Pro 5.1 audio track. Played just fine on the Xbox 360. Obviously though no video.

Now I am "THINKING" (Maybe incorrectly) that if I can "mux" the video file back with the audio file, into a WMV container that it should play just fine on my XBox 360.

Is it possible to remux a VC1 video track with a WMA9 Pro 5.1 audio track? If so what program do I use?

Thanks

WTC

[deank]

Thanks for the prog, I'm runnin into some problems though, i input an vc-1 m2ts file into multiavchd and use the ps3 option to create a avchd folder on the fat32 partition of my external harddrive, when i try and play the video on my ps3 it detects the the avchd folder but says no titles when i open it. What am i doin wrong? I checked all the settings listed in the tutorials and can't find anythin which doesn't seem to be configured properly

When you connect the external HDD, go to VIDEO, click [X] while the HDD is selected, then [X] when AVCHD is selected.

Do not use [triangle] + "Display all".

[b66pak]

@WildTexasChef use eac3to to remux vc1 .m2ts stream to .mkv:

eac3to myVC1.m2ts myVC1.mkv

install SolveigMM_Video_Editing_SDK_1_0:

http://solveigmm.com/files/SolveigMM_Video_Editing_SDK_1_0.zip

run SolveingMM ASF Multiplexer and remux the .mkv to .asf

if you have installed Windows Media Encoder you will find under "Utilities" the Windows Media Stream Editor!

run it and multiplex the .asf with the .wma.
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[WildTexasChef]

@WildTexasChef use eac3to to remux vc1 .m2ts stream to .mkv:

eac3to myVC1.m2ts myVC1.mkv

install SolveigMM_Video_Editing_SDK_1_0:

http://solveigmm.com/files/SolveigMM_Video_Editing_SDK_1_0.zip

run SolveingMM ASF Multiplexer and remux the .mkv to .asf

if you have installed Windows Media Encoder you will find under "Utilities" the Windows Media Stream Editor!

run it and multiplex the .asf with the .wma.
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YEAH I did it! Woo Hoo! 2 Years! and Finanly made some progress....

Now here is my problem.... Of which I know I may have to go to the XBox 360/TiVo HD/pyTiVo forums for additional answers.

When using TiVo Desktop Plus (Latest Version) it transfers to my TiVo (WMV) and the video plays like a charm. Beautifull quality. However in the transfer process it has lost it's 5.1 audio. Weird. When I play the same file on my computer. The players all report that it does have a 5.1 audio track.

When I use pyTiVo to transfer it to my TiVo HD. It hangs. Won't transfer. Yet pyTiVo is suppose to have full support for WMV of all types.

The XBox of course won't play the file from a USB drive because the file size is larger than FAT32 will allow, & currently the XBox 360 doesn't support NTFS. (From what I hear it will in the future with the next update, or in the spring update). Thus it requires the use of windows media connect to play or Windows Media Center to play. This is where I am having some problems. If I use WMC to play it, with the Xbox set up as a WMC extender. The file does play just fine. Although using WMC/WMC extender mode really is a PIA. What I would prefer is to get Windows Media connect to work. But the video file doesn't even show up using Windows Media Connect. As far as I can tell Windows Media connect is setup properly with my computer & with the XBox, because I can play music, & view photos just fine with Windows media connect. Just am not able to view videos.

Any ideas?

WTC

[deank]

Hey I'm doing this and it still says theres no media? I'm lost...

No, you're apparently not doing it. The folder on your HDD must be named exactly AVCHD and if you SEE the icon with AVCHD text there is NO WAY that the console will display "no titles".

[Koadic]

The XBox of course won't play the file from a USB drive because the file size is larger than FAT32 will allow, & currently the XBox 360 doesn't support NTFS. (From what I hear it will in the future with the next update, or in the spring update). Thus it requires the use of windows media connect to play or Windows Media Center to play. This is where I am having some problems. If I use WMC to play it, with the Xbox set up as a WMC extender. The file does play just fine. Although using WMC/WMC extender mode really is a PIA. What I would prefer is to get Windows Media connect to work. But the video file doesn't even show up using Windows Media Connect. As far as I can tell Windows Media connect is setup properly with my computer & with the XBox, because I can play music, & view photos just fine with Windows media connect. Just am not able to view videos.

Any ideas?

WTC

If you want to play your wmv files from a usb hard drive, get a program called MacDrive, from which you will be able to format your usb drive to HFS+, which is supported on the 360 and doesnt limit you to a max of 4GB.