dvd too big for shrink

[ted demen]

im trying to backup my copy of "the office" (british version)
and after using ripit4me, shrink sais it cant take the 7.8gig disk and that it will output to a size which is too big for a single layer dvdr.

i tried shrinking it twice and although it seemed to have worked, about halfway through the backup disk - the playback gets really choppy and keeps pausing till it freezes and i tried this on a couple dvd players as well as MPC and the problem is consistent.

is there another program like shrink but that will take the 7.8gig disk?

[setarip_old]

Hi!after using ripit4meDid you make certain to use the "FixVTS" step in the "RipIt4Me" procedure ?

[ted demen]

Hi!Did you make certain to use the "FixVTS" step in the "RipIt4Me" procedure ?

yes it does it all automaticaly.
creates fixVTS logs within ts folder

[setarip_old]

Sorry about that. I always use the "Wizard" mode (not the "one-click" mode)...

[r0lZ]

IMO, a shrunk DVD that cannot fit on a single layer must be either:
- ripped in movie only mode (with RipIt4Me)
- ripped in Movie + Menu mode, and shrunk the menus (with RipIt4Me and MenuShrink)
- split in two parts (with VobBlanker or PgcEdit + FixVTS)
- or you can also try to blank out some useless stuff and remove some streams (with VobBlanker or PgcEdit + FixVTS and DVDShrink)

Anyway, shrinking twice the same DVD is really not a good solution, as the picture quality is reduced too much. I did it one time on a bonus, and it was really unwatchable! IMO, if you cannot use a compression around 80% or above, you have to adopt one of the solutions above.

[zacoz]

...Or get a Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn it with ImgBurn (without any need to compress)

[ted demen]

is there another route i can take?
theres really nothing on the dvd that i can take out (as in extras or subtitles or other audio options) so using something like DVD remake is not an option.

there are only the six episodes and thats it.

is there something else like shrink that will take the 7.8gig disk?

(i still dont understand why shrink even has a max file size limit before conversion, i meanm if it sompletely encodes it then it shuldnt matter if youre willing to sacrifice some quality)

[r0lZ]

Shrink doesn't re-encode, it shrinks the MPEG stream that is already present. And obviously, there is a limit.

The alt solution is to split the DVD is two parts. IMO, for an episodic DVD, it's the best solution. Load it in VobBlanker, and blanks the eps 4 to 6. Save to a different folder. Repeat the operation, but this time blank eps 1-3. This way, you will not lose quality.

[BigCondor]

I do agree it is best to split it into 2 discs. DVD Shrink sure has it own limit and it refuses to lower the compression beyond certain degree and sometimes we will have projects that exceeds 4.7g.

[ted demen]

This way, you will not lose quality.

what if i dont care so much for quality in resolution as long as its smooth and doesnt skip/freeze?

im only saying this since its a sitcom recorded with a digital camera and therefore not some scinematic work of art.
if we were talking about a movie i would not want to sacrifice quality, but in this case if in terms of resolution, i dont care.

the problem is that shrinking twice made it very choppy until it froze, and obviously thats not an option.

can i somehow only degrade the "look" of the video and not the playback? (so that it would fit onto 1 disk?)

[r0lZ]

Probably not with Shrink. You might however try to do a full analysis first, and then use the maximum smoothness quality mode. Maybe it will shrink a little bit more.

If that doesn't work, try DVD Rebuilder. You can chose between several encoders, and even use the half D1 resolution to compress better. But it will take longer to complete the reencoding.

[BigCondor]

DVD Rebuilder is surely what you can expect from. Btw, I am interested to know the duration of your dvd. I had in the past seen a dvd as long as 4 hours on a 4.7g and the quality is really bad!

[techmule]

DVD Rebuilder is surely what you can expect from. Btw, I am interested to know the duration of your dvd. I had in the past seen a dvd as long as 4 hours on a 4.7g and the quality is really bad!

Upto 6 hrs of movie with MP2 sound can be fitted into a single layer DVD with appropriate matrix and resolution. DVD rebuilder Pro can achieve that.

[setarip_old]

@ted demenim only saying this since its a sitcom recorded with a digital camera and therefore not some scinematic work of art.Is this a homebrewn DVD or a commercial DVD?

I ask because, if it's a commercial DVD that contains 6 24 minute episodes on one D/L disc, it's likely already been compressed as much as is reasonably possible.

Considering the low cost of single layer burnable DVD media, I concur with others in this thread, who have suggested using two discs...

[ted demen]

well id really like them all one one disk and my frined said he can do for me with his mac (he said hed done it in the past)
so icant see why it cant be done on windows

also ive had nothing but problems trying the DL route, and rather avoid that route

heres a couple of screen shots:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/jaH_Rek/1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/jaH_Rek/2.jpg

[setarip_old]

my frined said he can do for me with his macPresumably, he means as a true full disc Video DVD and not as a different compressed format, such as DivX-compressed .AVI. If so, by all means, let him make the DVD for you and see what it looks like.

You still have the option to use DVD Shrink twice and see if the results are acceptable to you...

[r0lZ]

If you want to have a chance to put it on a single layer DVD with DVDShrink, you have at least to blank the extras (with VobBlanker), and shrink the menus to stills (with MenuShrink.)

And I repeat again: try DVD Rebuilder.

[ted demen]

i already mentioned that running through shrink twice causes skipping and unwatchable results.

and that there are no extras to voblank (at least nothing that would make a noticable difference)
same goes for menus; they are so small already that it wouldnt make any diff.

what i need is a program that will simply compress the video but that will result in smooth playback.

im going to try dvd2one

and regarding my friend and his mac, its not divx/avi that were talking about.
simple DL dvd to SL dvd compression.
all mpeg2

[setarip_old]

regarding my friend and his mac, its not divx/avi that were talking about.
simple DL dvd to SL dvd compression.Excellent! Then, as I said before, by all means, let him make the DVD for you and see what it looks like.

BTW, the problems you described with your first attempt to use DVD Shrink twice,the playback gets really choppy and keeps pausing till it freezeswas more than likely the result of a bad burn and/or poor quality media. Try playing a "double shrunk" version from your hard drive - I doubt very much that it will exhibit that behavior...

[ted demen]

Excellent! Then, as I said before, by all means, let him make the DVD for you and see what it looks like.

BTW, the problems you described with your first attempt to use DVD Shrink twice,was more than likely the result of a bad burn and/or poor quality media. Try playing a "double shrunk" version from your hard drive - I doubt very much that it will exhibit that behavior...

no it wasnt the burn cause i burned it on two types of media and tried it on two consumer dvd players as well as MPC and WMP (stream from harddrive)


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anyhow, the answer is DVD2One !!!!

worked perfect first time...simple and quick.

(i think this is the program that my friend was gonna use on his mac as well - and it looks good!)

thanx for the help

[BigCondor]

Juding from the screens I think if DVD Rebuilder was used at the first place then there wouldn't be any problem at all.

There are total of 100M on the menu and extras and in this case it sure can be of help.

[ted demen]

Juding from the screens I think if DVD Rebuilder was used at the first place then there wouldn't be any problem at all.

There are total of 100M on the menu and extras and in this case it sure can be of help.

look at the file size.
even if u changed the 100m to zero.....
still too big

[BigCondor]

When your files are only 294M larger, 100m means a lot. Remember you can further cut down the size by skipping some "intro" and "end credits".

But, this is not the point, your dvd doesn't seem so extraordinary. When DVD Shrink fails, you should try something else. In fact, when you cosider factor regarding quality, you should use DVD Rebuilder at first place.