[DISTRIBUTION] Paldo-Linux.

[Amnon82]

Finally I become a maintainer and have now my own repository started. You can find it here (http://home.arcor.de/amsoft-linux-department/PaldoRepo).
Soon or later my builds will find their way to the main repository of Paldo-Linux.
I'm in contact with the leaders of the Paldo-Linux-Project (www.paldo.org).

All next builds of my programs (like DVD2HDD) will be released for Paldo-Linux. You can always build the programs out of source for other distros.

Hope some of you will join the Paldo-Linux-Project. We are using Upkg which is a package management and build system using Mono. It builds, installs and keeps track of packages using XML specifications in Upkg repositories.

Paldo stands for "pure adaptable linux distribution" and we try to accomplish this in every package. paldo comes with very few patches against its packages. We have virtually no local changes, means every patch is one which will go upstream anyway (e.g. compile fixes) or one needed by the LFS build system to enable us to boostrap correctly. It's very easy to make changes to the distro. You can change every package by providing a local version of the sources and specifications you've changed. You can even configure your system automatically through local differencial repositories. The whole distribution is very flexible because it's built on top of Upkg

paldo wants to be a distribution according to the "just-works" principle. It tries to configure automatically as much as possible without user intervention. paldo is task-oriented, means, that we won't provide several programs to do one and the same task, we will select the program which we think does this task best, and include it into paldo. paldo aims to support cutting-edge technologies. It is pure NPTL based (no linuxthreads support) and therefore does not work with a Linux kernel older than 2.6.x.

Now it is finally done.

I coded an installer for Paldo GNU/Linux. So you can install paldo offline in couple of minutes.

Release-Notes

I'm proud to present you Paldo GNU/Linux 1.10 (Installer CD)

What are the new features:


Kernel: 2.6.21.1-paldo2
GCC: 4.1.2-1
GlibC: 2.5-20070218-1
X-ORG: 7.2
OpenOffice: 2.2-20070406-2
Installer: 20070503
Nvidia: 1.0-9755-1
ATI-xf86: 6.6.3-1
Gnome: 2.18.1
Firefox: 2.0.0.3-3
Gaim: 2.0.0beta6-3
Gimp: 2.2.14-1

Full list of packages on this release you can read here (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-testing-2007-05-03-0839.packages).

What are the main changes to version 1.9:

We are using now aufs in the testing branch so I had to rewrite the installer for it.
Now you can start the installer from the desktop.
Also we changed the startup of X11 using a black background.
NetworkManager configures now the network cards instead of ifup
For firefox we are using now the community edition
Lots of bugs we found in our last release are fixed now.

You can download the Installer CDs, provided by me (Amnon82), from here:

Download page of the Installer CD (http://www.paldo.org/index-section-packages-page-installercd.html)

The official iso-images should be avaiable tonight.

[Amnon82]

Hi there. I'm working on Upkg-GUI.

Take a look:

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6214/screenshotupkggui001byaou3.th.png (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotupkggui001byaou3.png) http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2408/scrdn6.th.png (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scrdn6.png)

Add my Repository to your /etc/upkg.conf-file.

http://home.arcor.de/amsoft-linux-department/PaldoRepo

and install my gui with:

upkg-build --verbose upkg-gui

History:

Version 0.0.1-1:
* design-preview
* upkg-list command added

[Amnon82]

Amnon82s Repository for Paldo Linux
Last Update: 2007-01-14 00:21:23 +0000

=======================================================================

Stable Packages:

#D
dvd2hdd 0.2.12-1 Build-Date 2006-11-24 18:40:19 +0000

#G
gambas 1.0.17-4 Build-Date 2006-11-27 16:47:50 +0000

#N
nautilus-actions 1.4-1 Build-Date 2006-11-27 17:17:39 +0000
nvu 1.0-2 Build-Date 2006-11-26 03:35:13 +0000

#V
vobcopy 1.0.1-2 Build-Date 2006-11-26 03:26:26 +0000

=======================================================================

Testing Packages:

#G
gambas2 1.9.46-1 Build-Date: 2006-12-30 09:41:22 +0000

#L
libmikmod 3.1.10-1 Build-Date: 2007-01-13 22:21:24 +0000

#S
streamtuner 0.99.99-1 Build-Date: 2007-01-13 21:32:28 +0000

#X
xmms 1.2.10-3 Build-Date: 2007-01-13 23:05:50 +0000

=======================================================================

Moved to paldo main repository:

#G
gftp 2.0.18-1 Build-Date 2006-11-26 03:23:54 +0000

#I
imwheel 1.0.0pre12-4 Build-Date 2006-12-26 04:40:43 +0000

added streamtuner+xmms to my repository.

[Trespasser]

Amnon82,
In Paldo what do you use to burn DVD video discs? In Ubuntu I use NeroLinux since I prefer Gnome. I see Paldo uses Gnome. I'm planning on downloading a copy of Paldo Stable 1-11-07 tonight and it install it tomorrow.

[Amnon82]

NeroLinux is simple to install also on paldo. A howto (http://forum.paldo.org/index.php?action=topic&topicnr=79) install NEROlinux to paldo you can find at paldo.org.

[shevegen]

eh bavaria? How's Stoiber TV addiction goin' .... ;)

Obvious question upcoming.. how about
Video & Paldo?

[Trespasser]

Amnon82,
When I boot up the Paldo Live-CD-x86 disc I get a black screen because xorg is out of range. I did not see any options when the disc booted to set keymap or resolution. At prompt what is the command to reconfigure xserver? In Ubuntu, as you know, it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.

[Trespasser]

I let the Live-CD boot as far as it would go (black screen of course) then I hit control-alt-F2 to bring up prompt. I then logged in as su and password paldo. I was then logged in as root. I typed in gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but was told unable to bring up display. Can you offer any more help? I have an ATI Radeon 7000 VE agp video card.

[Amnon82]

@Trespasser:

ATI is a problem with paldo. So you don't see anything. Most of paldo users have nvidia cards. GEdit is a graphical editor. Use Nano. Try this:

nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf

and scroll down to the video-card part:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "the driver detected by paldo"
Screen 0
EndSection


And change it to:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "vesa"
Screen 0
EndSection


Save the changes with CTRL+O and exit with CTRL+X

Restart X with:

init 3
init 5

Also you can use our IRC Channel (irc://irc.freenode.net/paldo) to report bugs and get help (I'm there atm).

Use our forum (http://forum.paldo.org) for help on this. Post there your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.

@shevegen: Most of the programs I use in Linux I ported to the paldo distribution. AVIDemux I want to compile too, but have some problems to do it. So if you want to do some video apps you can do it. Creating a paldo repository is easy. Take a look on mine and the main repository. Paldo uses UPKG to build the packages. Simple XML-files and tar-balls will do the job. If you get into it, U'll love it.

[Amnon82]

Here is another package by me. It is conky.

Conky is a program which can display arbitrary information (such as the date, CPU temperature from i2c, MPD info, and anything else you desire) to the root window in X11. Conky normally does this by drawing to the root window, however Conky can also be run in windowed mode (though this is not how conky was meant to be used). More on the FAQ-page (http://conky.sourceforge.net/faq.html).

I love this program. It took me 2 hours to figure out how to configure it proper. First a screenshot:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4050/conkyeg7.th.png (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=conkyeg7.png)

To install conky to your paldo system add my repository:

$ su
Password: enter your root password
# sed -i -e 's%<repositories>%&\n<repository>http://home.arcor.de/amsoft-linux-department/PaldoRepo/</repository>%' /etc/upkg.conf

actual packages-list you can find here (http://home.arcor.de/amsoft-linux-department/PaldoRepo/packages-list)

Install conky with:

upkg-build conky

Download this file (http://home.arcor.de/amsoft-linux-department/PaldoRepo/sources/conky/conky_adds.tar.bz2) and extract it to your home folder.

Edit the /home/<your username>/.conkyrc file the way you like it.

[shevegen]

How about Avisynth + Paldo? Works?

I kinda failed to compile it here on my messy
linux system *blush*

[Amnon82]

You mean the AVISynth 3.0 linux version? Till now I didn't tried it.
What kind of linux do you expect from Paldo? The first stable release was released at 31.Oct.04. I'm with the project since release 1.8 so I'm really new to it. I started to get into Linux last year in april. It's not so hard to understand it. When you read my posts at paldo.org you'll see that I ask alot of questions like you do now. I only release some programs I use public. Paldo is easy to install (when you know a little about linux) and good to mantain.

[shevegen]

Well I myself use a base system which I then modify happily... often things fail, so then I go and reinstall.
I am hopping from distro to distro and collecting good ideas while doing so ;)

I failed at Avisynth compilation but I'd love to try my old avisynth scripts again, thats why I asked about it being in Paldo. And since you are a Video expert too, it seemed natural to ask here as well :)

Ich werd mal Paldo ausprobieren wenn ich Zeit hab in den nächsten Tagen (sollte eigentlich kein Problem sein...), der Feedback kann dir hoffentlich helfen

cu

[Amnon82]

Thx for trying out Paldo and keep me posted. Yes I should test AVISynth my self when I've more time. If you need the german install guide for paldo click here (http://amnonsblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/installation-von-paldo-linux-german.html). Also this (http://amnonsblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/packete-fr-paldo-linux-aus-lokaler.html) guide might be usefull. Mostly you can find me in this Irc-Chat (irc://irc.freenode.net/paldo) to talk with me directly.

[nm]

I failed at Avisynth compilation but I'd love to try my old avisynth scripts again, thats why I asked about it being in Paldo. And since you are a Video expert too, it seemed natural to ask here as well :)
I'm pretty sure you can't use your old scripts with AviSynth 3.0 since it hasn't got the filters you need, yet.

To actually use AviSynth for video encoding, you need to run the 2.5.x versions with Wine.

[shevegen]

"I'm pretty sure you can't use your old scripts with AviSynth 3.0 since it hasn't got the filters you need, yet."

Hmm I see. But then again, if it is useful then I hope there are workarounds.

AviSynth was one of my top three applications back when i used windows

[Amnon82]

... but when it works, AVS will have also good scripts in the version 3.0 ;)

[Amnon82]

When all wents ok, paldo 1.9 will be released at the 31.01.07:


glibc 2.5 (currently in testing)
Xorg 7.2
OpenOffice?.org 2.1 (currently in testing)
maybe gcc 4.2
maybe upstart (currently in experimental)


Since yesterday the new kernel 2.6.20-RC5 is in the unstable branch.
Now we have almost daily updates.

[Trespasser]

Amnon82,
When are they going to have live-cd auto installer ready? Is that feature already available on unstable or experimental? I'd like to be able to boot with live-cd and then install to hard drive (like Ubuntu for instance).

[Amnon82]

We are working on that feature. It will come and will be made in germany ;).
Till now we have only the terminal install, but this is also easy to do:


Download our BootCD (http://www.paldo.org/index-section-packages-page-bootcd.html)
Use cfdisk to prepare your harddrive
Format the partitions with mkfs.ext3 /dev/<your partition>, mkswap -L swap-titel /dev/<Swap-Partition>
Mount the partition to /upkg with mount /dev/<your partition> /upkg (create a folder if necessary mkdir /upkg)
Install paldo with upkg-bootstrap --branch=stable paldo (stable can be replaced with testing, unstable, experimental)
Startup grub and install with root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0) if you want to install grub on the mbr of the first hdd.
Restart your pc with shutdown -r now into the new installed paldo system


But we will have soon an installer for this.

[Amnon82]

Good, I compiled AVIDemux for Paldo. Now the Multimedia Paldo GNU/Linux can come ;)

Information

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2716/screenshotavidemux2starxa8.th.png (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotavidemux2starxa8.png)

AVIDemux is a free video editor designed for simple cutting, filtering and encoding tasks. It supports many file types, including AVI, DVD compatible MPEG files, MP4 and ASF, using a variety of codecs. Tasks can be automated using projects, job queue and powerful scripting capabilities.

The Installation

First add my repository to your upkg.conf-file::

$ su
Password: <enter your root password>
# sed -i -e 's%<repositories>%&\n<repository>http://home.arcor.de/amnonssecondpaldorepo/</repository>%' /etc/upkg.conf

Then install avidemux with:

upkg-build avidemux

[Amnon82]

Yes I did it. I add XFCE to Paldo.

Take a look on this screenshot:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9893/xfce44km3.th.png (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce44km3.png) http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7534/xfceaboutcw9.th.png (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfceaboutcw9.png)

This XFCE-Repository is for the testing branch. We need some more tests before I can put it to stable. So I hope some of you will help me.

Some Info

Xfce is a lightweight desktop environment for various *NIX systems. Designed for productivity, it loads and executes applications fast, while conserving system resources.

Xfce 4.4 embodies the traditional UNIX philosophy of modularity and re-usability. It consists of a number of components that together provide the full functionality of the desktop environment. They are packaged separately and you can pick and choose from the available packages to create the best personal working environment.

How to install

First you have to add the Paldo-XFCE-Repository to your local upkg.conf:

$ su
Password: <enter your root password>
# sed -i -e 's%<repositories>%&\n<repository>http://home.arcor.de/paldoxfcerepo/</repository>%' /etc/upkg.conf

Then install xfce with this command:

upkg-build xfcedesktop

How to switch to XFCE

Log your self out of gnome.
On the startscreen click on "Sessions"
Select "XFCE 4.4 Session" and log in again.

[Amnon82]

Status

73% done

Available Packages

kdebase - basic kde desktop
-xutils-dev
-kdelibs

kdelibs - updated to version 3.5.6
-arts - updated to version 1.5.6

xutils-dev
-gccmakedep
-imake
-lndir
-util-macros
-xorg-cf-files

kdeutils - some utils for kde like kate and co.

gtk-qt-engine - get gtk-apps displayed proper in kde

kdemultimedia - play some multimedia stuff

kdeaddons - some addons for KDE

kdeadmin - administration tools for KDE

kdegraphics - graphic programs for KDE

kdenetwork - network tools for KDE

kdevelop - developer tools for KDE

other packages will come later.

How to install

First you have to add the Paldo-KDE-Repository to your local upkg.conf:

$ su
Password: <enter your root password>
# sed -i -e 's%<repositories>%&\n<repository>http://home.arcor.de/paldokderepo/</repository>%' /etc/upkg.conf

Then install kde with this command:

upkg-build kdebase

To install a full kde use this (Meta-Spec will come later!):

upkg-build kde-desktop

How to switch to KDE

Log your self out of gnome.
On the startscreen click on "Sessions"
Select "KDE 3.5.6 Session" and log in again.

[shevegen]

Yo there,
although quite too late (hehe)

i tried out Paldo Linux.

Booted up into Gnome without a problem, I have some suggestions though:

- Add a link somewhere for gnome-terminal. I looked for it, couldnt find.
(Pressed Alt+F2 though, that worked)
- Where is Avidemux? In /usr/bin?
- I had some keyboard problems, i have a german keyboard without deadkeys,
for some reason though the * key didnt work properly, it entered a !
I am not that familiar with gnome :) I went to system-preferences-keyboard and tried to set german keyboard, that kinda worked but the * key didnt change.
Maybe there could be some easier option to enable that?
- Last but not least how to hd-install paldo? A little icon on the desktop to start with that could be helpful :)
I have a spare machine and i always use it to hd-test-install distributions

Anyway, none of these things are big issues at all, but maybe you can get rid of one or two.

Btw it would be also cool if paldo can also advertize as a multimedia centric, agile distribution :)
We already do have many multimedia distributions, yes... but i dont really know of one with knowledgable guys (that visit doom9 too hehehe)

PS: I tried out "testing" so maybe it was kinda broken or sth. :P

[Amnon82]

You have to install Avidemux first. It is on one of my repositories. After that you can start it via avidemux2. Also there is a link to start it from the gnome menu. gnome-terminal is also in gnome menu. It is called Terminal. >> gnome menu/accessories/Terminal

@shevegen: Da Du anscheinend Deutsch verstehts kannst Du ja mal das deutsche Wiki besuchen. Dort hab ichs Step by Step erklärt, wie man Paldo installiert. >> paldo.wikia.com

[Amnon82]

I managed to code an installer for my distro. Here you can read the "english" installation guide (badly translated by google :)) (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpaldo.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FInstallation_mit_der_Installer-LiveCD&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools). The german installation guide you can find here (http://paldo.wikia.com/wiki/Installation_mit_der_Installer-LiveCD)

Here the offical announcement:

===================================================================

Now it is finally done.

I coded an installer for Paldo GNU/Linux. So you can install paldo offline in couple of minutes.

The features of the installer:

Version 1.9.0

Paldo-Installer 1.9.0-20070403
- uses gparted for partitioning
- runs on 32bit and 64bit
- can add new user
- can change keyboard-layout (via xkmap)
- customizes hostname, domainname and hosts
- detects windows partitions and add them to the bootmenu
all packages of paldo-desktop


I coded two builds. One is gtk1, the other gtk2. At the moment gtk1 is more stable. If you got troubles with the nicer gtk2-installer, try the gtk1 one.

You'll find the installers at Applications > System Tools > Install Paldo

Downloading the ISOs:

===32bit Versions===

Paldo 1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401 32bit Installer-LiveCD (ISO) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401.iso)
Paldo 1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401 32bit Installer-LiveCD (MD5) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401.md5)

===64bit Versions===

Paldo 1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403 64bit Installer-LiveCD (ISO) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403.iso)
Paldo 1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403 64bit Installer-LiveCD (MD5) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403.md5)


Installation Guide:

A german installation guide can be found at my wiki (http://paldo.wikia.com/wiki/Installation_mit_der_Installer-LiveCD)
The one in english will come later ...

What we need from you:
Tell us if you like the installer
Tell us what you miss in the installer
Tell us the problems you have with the installer


Post bugs you find in the installer here (http://forum.paldo.org/index.php?action=topic&topicnr=158).

Have fun with Paldo GNU/Linux

===================================================================

[Trespasser]

Amnon82,
Three questions before I try this.

One, what kernel are using?

Two, what version of Wine is in your repos?

And three, is Brasero (I switched over from NeroLinux) in your repos? If so, what version?

Thanks.

[Trespasser]

Amnon82,
Big error on your link to 32bit Paldo Installer Live CD version. The image is only 70 mbs in size (about the size of a boot image).

[shevegen]

Lemme know when the links are fixed, I will try em :)

Btw about network stuff, I assume Paldo will be able to manage network cards + dhcpd or is there something i should look at first? (I have two cards and normally, some distributions unfortunately dont auto-configure things with dhcp)

[Amnon82]

Sorry for the dead links. Mistakes always happen. If you got a broken link go to my public home-folder on the server and look for ISOs (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon). And if a ISO don't mach the md5-file I'm on uploading it, so try it later. I always upload md5-files first. Seems I should only post a release when I finally uploaded the ISO to the server ;)

Links are fixed: Here you go:

===32bit Version===

* Paldo 1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401 32bit Installer-LiveCD (ISO) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401.iso)
* Paldo 1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401 32bit Installer-LiveCD (MD5) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401.md5)

===64bit Version===

* Paldo 1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403 64bit Installer-LiveCD (ISO) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403.iso)
* Paldo 1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403 64bit Installer-LiveCD (MD5) (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86_64-testing-20070403.md5)

... newer builds will come soon.

The answers of your questions:

Kernel in stable is: 2.6.19.2
Kernel in testing is: 2.6.20.7

Wine in stable is: 0.9.30-1
Wine in testing is: 0.9.35-1

Brasero you can find at my repo as source-package:

$ su

Password: enter your root password

# sed -i -e 's%<repositories>%&\n<repository>http://paldo.org/~amnon/repo/</repository>%' /etc/upkg.conf
upkg-build brasero

or use K3B 1.0 you can find in testing branch.

To switch to testing branch use this cmds in a terminal:

$ su
password: enter your root pw
# sed -i -e "s/stable/testing/" /etc/upkg.conf
upkg-upgrade

[Radiomans]

Hi
paldo-1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401.iso
file is still only 70meg :confused:

[Amnon82]

Sorry guys. I didn't checked the filesize. I upload it now. It is up in 3 hours from the timestamp of this post. The size should be 672.3 MB (704940032 bytes). The 64bit version should be ok.

[Trespasser]

Amnon82,
The 32 bit link tells me I am forbidden to download from that server.

Later...

[Radiomans]

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /~amnon/paldo-1.9.0-x86-stable-20070401.iso on this server.


Hi This is what i get too :confused:

[Amnon82]

Should be fixed now. I uploaded it as Root. Linux changed the rights. "Others" like you can't download it. Now it works. Sorry for the circumstances.

[Radiomans]

:thanks:
got it now

[Amnon82]

Report me if you got any troubles with my installer. GTK2 is a little buggy, so use GTK1 if it is so ...

[Amnon82]

In tree hours after this post a new image will be avaiable:

paldo-testing-x86-20070424-1820.iso (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-testing-x86-20070424-1820.iso)
paldo-testing-x86-20070424-1820.md5 (http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/paldo-testing-x86-20070424-1820.md5)

[DrEaMeR86]

Hi! I'm an AMD64 bit user. Which is better x86_64 or x86?, I mean if every package is compiled for both paltforms or there are not too much problems or incompabilities with precompiled or new compilations in x86_64.

[Amnon82]

I've also a AMD64 CPU on my system. I'm using x86 mostly cos all apps are avaiable there. The other core-members of the paldo-team using the x86_64 build.

Newer Installer-LiveCDs will be uploaded by me first in x86 build.

It depends on you. For example run vlc in x86_64 and try to run it on fullscreen ;) ... then you know why I'm using x86 ...

[DrEaMeR86]

OK. Then should I install from "rescue CD"(~150MB) as I've read in official web page or from your ISO (+550MB)?

[Amnon82]

For easier install use my new ISO:

I'm proud to present you Paldo GNU/Linux 1.10 (Installer CD)

What are the new features:


Kernel: 2.6.21.1-paldo2
GCC: 4.1.2-1
GlibC: 2.5-20070218-1
X-ORG: 7.2
OpenOffice: 2.2-20070406-2
Installer: 20070503
Nvidia: 1.0-9755-1
ATI-xf86: 6.6.3-1
Gnome: 2.18.1
Firefox: 2.0.0.3-3
Gaim: 2.0.0beta6-3
Gimp: 2.2.14-1

Full list of packages on this release you can read here (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-testing-2007-05-03-0839.packages).

What are the main changes to version 1.9:

We are using now aufs in the testing branch so I had to rewrite the installer for it.
Now you can start the installer from the desktop.
Also we changed the startup of X11 using a black background.
NetworkManager configures now the network cards instead of ifup
For firefox we are using now the community edition
Lots of bugs we found in our last release are fixed now.

You can download the Installer CDs, provided by me (Amnon82), from here:

Download page of the Installer CD (http://www.paldo.org/index-section-packages-page-installercd.html)

The official iso-images should be avaiable tonight.

[Amnon82]

If you don't want to read the install guide on my wiki you can also watch it as a video:

http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/videoguides/paldo.1.10.vguide.screenshot.jpg

watch the video (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/videoguides/paldo.1.10.vguide.english.avi)

codecs: xvid - mp3

(C) 2007 by Amnon82

[shevegen]

I think the best install guide is the one which doesnt require
the user to read sth before installing ;)
(I am in no way implying paldo does this! its just a general
remark about documentation, and I usually say that more documentation
is better than no docu, too) :)


Edit: Tried paldo, unfortunately i am having some problems. Gnome doesnt
really continue. I can manage to the login, login with root/paldo but after
that nothing happens (ok i see the gnome logo but 3 minutes and still
nothing changed..)
Also I cant change keyboard layout.
On IRC i was told that probably my CD had a problem,
I am downloading again (i removed the .iso already, silly me :/ )
Btw! I think you should also include a smaller wm as alternative
to something bigger like gnome, like fluxbox or something, so that
people can still use the X installer in a somewhat comfortable
WM. :)
And btw add the password to the FAQ on your site ;)

PS: The IRC channel was helpful. Thanks for the pointers and help.
PSS: I downloaded again, burned, verified all was installed,
and waited. This time it all booted up, then i hdinstalled it with
the installer. A question about it: Does it format the hd?

I didnt notice a hint that it will do, i didnt repartition at all,
i just clicked on continue kinda. I was worried because i had
an old linux distribution on that pc and i didnt want it to get
confused by just "copying".

I just booted it up, it seems to work.

[Trespasser]

Amnon,
I had a problem with your last installer version (4-3-07 I think). I encountered a black screen as the disc booted up. I hit ctrl-alt-F2 which took me to a command prompt. I changed to root and typed nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf. The driver was ati (I have a ATI Radeon 9600 Pro). I changed it to vesa (plus changed some of the resolution settings), saved it, and then typed gdm-restart but it froze. Oddly enough the next time I tried this same procedure it booted up to Desktop. Yet the next time I tried...it froze.

Also, why is it that you prefer Paldo over Ubuntu? Ubuntu is so much easier to work with besides having to compile everything (reminds me of Gentoo). Just curious.

[shevegen]

"Also, why is it that you prefer Paldo over Ubuntu? Ubuntu is so much easier to work with besides having to compile everything (reminds me of Gentoo). Just curious."

I am not involved with the dev team but I want to remark something on this. Ubuntu is for the average user.
Its not a real linux distribution to me. When i install it, I have to
apt-get install build-essential
to be able to get to a compiler. There is no superuser login at default.
I have to explicitely create it.

Now dont get me wrong, this is a fine approach for a casual,
silly user and its a good strategy to kick windows in the butt (although
the goal, as hard as it is, should be to simplify EVERYTHING not to
make stuff complicated...).
But for learning linux and to live on and with a linux system, i think this
is an approach which tells you to basically "find another distribution"
which is more "advanced" user friendly.

When i switched to linux, i got a compiler for the first time in my life
that didnt require you to register somewhere

You know that also, if you have to use ubuntu, you have to like
their approach. Their way or the highway ;)

Personally I recommend people to learn as much as they can
without being locked up into a specific distribution at all.

Btw about the "compile everything on your own".
a) you can use paco on any distribution to install binaries once you have compiled it
b) making a repository with binaries is EASY, even if you dont have option a) available

Keep in mind though that I am not associated with paldo in anway, they probably
had their reason to create a new distribution, and it was also some months since i last tried ubuntu :)
(With gentoo you have other problems of course... portage can become damn slow, then you really DO have to
compile so much, and if you do not LOVE compiling permanently, the community behaves like a bunch of idi... well
you know what i mean.)


Btw I think Paldo should focus on Video stuff too, I guess it will be the first to have a
central focus here on these great forums (hehe i am since a long time here too, a bit like Trespasser it seems)

[Amnon82]

@shevegen: First thx for using my distro. I'm glad you solved your problems with paldo and using it now as main-os.

There is already a alternative desktop on the main-repo: xfce you can install it via upkg-install xfce-desktop

For the first Installer CDs I'm using the package paldo-desktop. In later version there will be also a xfce-version. I'll do that with the help of stibs the distroleader of saxenos (http://www.saxenos.de), cos he want to use paldo-base for his next release. Md5 all my ISOs first before burning them. Sometimes I get stuck with uploading them ;)

For the avisynth thing: Paldo supports AVISynth 3.0 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=118035)

@Trespasser: I'm using Linux since septembre 2006. Now you would say: WOW !!!

I coded mostly in delphi apps like Autoq3 (http://home.arcor.de/autoq2_amsoft/), so it wasn't so hard for me to switch to linux. My frist distro was suse. Then I switched to ubuntu. But I didn't liked the way the packages where handled in this distro. I wanted to have fullcontrol over my system and want to know how it works. UPKG is a way to build and manage them in a easy way and you can understand how upkg builds your package.

After a while I was on the road to my first iso. One thing was left. An easy installer for paldo. So I searche for a distro with an easy installer I can copy. I found the installer in saxenos (http://saxenos.de). After talking with the Distroleader Stibs I copied the installer and mod it for paldo. My improofment found there way into the saxenos-installer. Now is Stibs on to switch his base from slackware to paldo-base.

Thats the power behind paldo.

[Amnon82]

Today there will be a release of Paldo-XFCE-Installer-CD.

This LiveCD uses XFCE as default desktop. Stay tuned for the first ISO-file.

Release Notes (http://forum.paldo.org/index.php?action=topic&topicnr=185)

[Trespasser]

Amnon,
Your latest version, 1.10, installed without a problem at all, except for changing some of the resolution settings at boot up (I left the driver on ati this time). Congrats to you. :) .

I'm highly impressed with what you've accomplished so far in such a short time.

[Trespasser]

[/QUOTE]Ubuntu is for the average user. [/QUOTE]
Don't know about the "average user" part...for I know lots of advanced users who use Ubuntu.

[/QUOTE]Now dont get me wrong, this is a fine approach for a casual,
silly user[/QUOTE]
IMO, the "silly" remark was uncalled for.

[/QUOTE]You know that also, if you have to use ubuntu, you have to like
their approach. Their way or the highway ;)[/QUOTE]
I don't have to use Ubuntu...I just prefer to use Ubuntu. I have tried dozens of distros from Gentoo, Solaris, Slackware,Suse, Fedora, FreeBSD to Linux XP, yet I always gravitate back to Ubuntu mainly because of their up-to-date applications...ease of use...and the apt-get/synaptic updating system. And I certainly do not take what Ubuntu may hand out in a given release and just "live" with it either. I remove what I don't want (such as the Open Office suite, Gaim, Totem, etc) and add what I do want (such as Abiword, VLC, Wine, etc).

And I've learned quite a bit about Linux during the last one and a half years. This idea of compiling everything you install on your computer as being true Linux is just "silly". If you don't believe me just visit the Gentoo forum. :) .

[Amnon82]

thx for the flowers. today my second xfce-installer-cd goes online. I improved much stuff there. It has now more multimedia-stuff on it:

k3b, vlc, xine, smplayer, avidemux, streamtuner, gtk-recordmydesktop

Also I preconfigured it new:

http://www.paldo.org/~amnon/screens/paldo-xfce-installer-cd-1.10-20070512.png

It is avaiable in 32bit and 64bit

Also some flash-news:

A KDE flavored Installer-CD will come also ...

get the new installer-cd isos (http://www.paldo.org/index-section-packages-page-installercd.html)

[danpos]

@Amnon82

I did download your last build for x86 (Paldo 1.10 / XFCE 4.4.1) and ran it on my box (AMD A64) as liveDVD and the boot was fine. The desktop initialization was good as well (very good detection of my NVidia Geforce 6200, the 3D driver was loaded correctly). At first, it's a good release.

Points that must be improved:

1. A bootsplash with options to set up language / vga resolution / others kernel parameters for boot (obviously setting language up brings locales up as well);

2. More administrative tools (I mean GUIs for these ones).

Regards,

[Amnon82]

k. I'll do that. It is on my todo list. I only must find a way to do that, cos the project-leaders have this not so in the mind.
I installed a app called xkmap. Type xkmap in a terminal and you can setup the layout in xfce.

[danpos]

@Amnon82

I did it when I ran it as liveDVD (as a matter of fact I could have do it through xorg.conf itself but it was good have xkmap available). The question about locales must be in more higher priority IMHO.

Regards,

[Amnon82]

paldo has a realy short community. Some geeks coding a linux from scratch. As I joined the project and coded the installer for it more people tried paldo out. Without my installer only geeks tried to test it.

Now I released a developer edition. Also there are all the supported languages on it. You have still to use xkmap or gdm to change the language or keyboard layout.

I hope my self that I find a good solution to change the language during bootup. I even wrote into the systemrescuecd forum (http://www.sysresccd.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1502) for their script. Maybe I got lucky ...

[danpos]

I hope so. :)

Keep up the good work, mate.

Regards,

[Amnon82]

The project-leader will take a look on the script if he has time. Atm the packagemanager got rewritten for a GUI. So this has more priority than locals.

[Amnon82]

new kde-livecd.iso will be online soon. There you can setup the language (via kde setup) and keyboard layout (via xkmap from desktop). Added also brasilian language.

[danpos]

@Amnon82

Thanks for the update, it seems very good. I'll take a look at it soon.

Regards,

[Amnon82]

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4287/kde356desktopbu4.th.png (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde356desktopbu4.png)

well I had some troubles but the first working iso should be online today.

[Amnon82]

We now added the language selection to the grub menu. So you can have paldo translated also in the livecd mode. You can test it with the livecd image. Atm I don't have a installercd image with this feature cos I'm porting the pascal-build of my installer to java6.
I hope I'm ready with a paldo 1.11 beta iso this weekend.

[prOnorama]

Well I was curious so I tried the Paldo Live CD (stable) but unfortunately it didn't work (hanged during booting)

Knoppix Live CD/Kubuntu Live both work

[Amnon82]

Testing is the new build. This one should boot. We develop new stable releases with the testing branch. Try that one.

[prOnorama]

That sounds a bit cryptic. Isn't a new stable version usually released after a test version? :confused:

Anyway I will give it a shot again when there's a new stable ;)

Cheers

[shevegen]

Hey Amnon make a link to paldo homepage in your sig or at footer? ;)

prOnorama i think thats what he meant, even though its not quite clear what he wanted to say :)

[Amnon82]

Our stable releases get released every 3 month. Paldo 1.11 will have my installer in it. To see the progress of the build which will be released soon as stable download the testing releases. I'll upload a new Installer CD tonight with a new build of my installer. This ISO will add the features of the LiveCD testing Jürg uploaded yesterday.

Difference between stable and testing:

Testing uses the stable packages
In testing branch we add new packages and test them for next stable release
The kernel is newer in testing
Most bugs are faster fixed in testing but critical get also fixed in stable
Almost all paldo user using testing branch

[Amnon82]

I'm happy to present you the first preview of version 1.11.

These discs have language selection via grub menu. Followed languages are supported: english, french, german, italian, polish, portuguese, spanish and turkish

Also it might have the last pascal-build installer. We are porting the installer to vala. Hope we (I and Juerg) will have the first vala-build of the installer ready next weekend.

You can download the new ISOs here:

Latest x86 testing Installer CD (Paldo 1.11 - Gnome 2.18.2 flavored)
Image Size: 643.3 MB
Build Date: 23 Jun 2007 21:05:34 CEST
Build Host: amnonspc.paldo.org

paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-23-0849.iso (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-23-0849.iso)
paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-23-0849.md5 (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-23-0849.md5)
paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-23-0849.packages (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-23-0849.packages)

Latest x86_64 testing Installer CD (Paldo 1.11 - Gnome 2.18.2 flavored)
Image Size: 583.7 MB
Build Date: 23 Jun 2007 21:07:21 CEST
Build Host: amnonspc.paldo.org

paldo-installer-cd-x86_64-testing-2007-06-23-1707.iso (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-x86_64-testing-2007-06-23-1707.iso)
paldo-installer-cd-x86_64-testing-2007-06-23-1707.md5 (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-x86_64-testing-2007-06-23-1707.md5)
paldo-installer-cd-x86_64-testing-2007-06-23-1707.packages (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/paldo-installer-cd-x86_64-testing-2007-06-23-1707.packages)

Post any bug you find on these discs here:

Bugreports for 1.11 Preview 1 (Installer CD) (http://forum.paldo.org/index.php?action=topic&topicnr=221&pagenr=1#post1285)


:devil:Known Bugs:devil:

It won't connect to the internet. HAL 0.5.9.1-3 is the cause of this problem.

Fix it with this cmd in a terminal on the installed paldo system:

sudo sed -i -e 's/START_NETWORK_MANAGER=TRUE/START_NETWORK_MANAGER=FALSE/' /etc/default/NetworkManager

Should be fixed in few days. Sorry for that. Something goes wrong. Seems one of your developers did a mistake (it was not me ;)).

[Amnon82]

Here you can download the fixed iso of Paldo 1.11 Preview 1:

Latest x86 testing Installer CD (Paldo 1.11 - Gnome 2.18.2 flavored)
Image Size: 643.3 MB
Build Date: 24 Jun 2007 20:51:05 CEST
Build Host: amnonspc.paldo.org

paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-24-2050.iso (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/isoimages/paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-24-2050.iso)
paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-24-2050.md5 (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/isoimages/paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-24-2050.md5)
paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-24-2050.packages (http://www.paldo.org/%7Eamnon/isoimages/paldo-installer-cd-x86-testing-2007-06-24-2050.packages)

Post any bug you find on this disc here:

Bugreports for 1.11 Preview 1 (Installer CD) (http://forum.paldo.org/index.php?action=topic&topicnr=221&pagenr=1#post1285)

[Amnon82]

Juerg released today the first unstable Live CD with the new installer on it.

http://www.paldo.org/w/images/0/0e/Install_paldo_010.png

You can download it from here:

paldo-live-cd-x86-unstable.iso (http://www.paldo.org/paldo-live-cd-x86-unstable.iso) paldo-live-cd-x86_64-unstable.iso (http://www.paldo.org/paldo-live-cd-x86_64-unstable.iso)

A new guide using this new installer you'll find here:

Installation using the LiveCD (http://www.paldo.org/wiki/Installation_using_the_LiveCD).
I'll update this guide with every new installer version.

Please test the new installer and post wishes and bugs in this thread:

paldo Installer [Bugs/Wishes] (http://forum.paldo.org/index.php?action=topic&topicnr=227)