Heads up!

[Smonkey]

Just wanted to make everyone aware that this site:

http://www.cd-recordable.com/


Sells DVD-Rs for $2.95 and Double sided DVD-Rs for $4.95. I have read good things about these disks at AVScience. From what I read the disks will burn at 2x with no problems. I just placed an order today.

-Smonkey

P.S. I don't work for them just a customer.

[WZ_Man]

I have been burning on these discs for a few days now, they seem like pretty good DVDs

They use a purple dye and have a weird speckled coating on top..


I still cannot get my Pioneer A03 to burn at 2x.. it says it is, but if you look at it, it still takes just as long as 1x

anyone have any suggestions? I have tried quite a few different software packages.

Thanks,

-WZ

[MickeyNBK]

WZ_Man, did you have yours shipped ground? I ordered some from them last Friday at 12 am, the charge hit my card on Monday and I still don't have any. How long did yours take to arrive?

Thanks

[WZ_Man]

Actually... I preordered mine on Nov 16th. I got these Last Wed. They charged my card two weeks before they shipped, which made me think they were shady, but I they sent them out to me free next day.

I can only imagine how many orders they had. So, I am sure you will get them in the next couple weeks. They are worth the wait.


WZ

[MickeyNBK]

Uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhgggg, damn I'm out of DVD-Rs and I'm jonesing for a fix lol.

[Nevada426]

Do these DVD-R's come in jewel cases?

[WZ_Man]

No they don't

WZ

[troyboy]

I pre-ordered these at the end of November and they arrived about a week and a half later. Just e-mail and they will give you an E.T.A. I'm going to order more. Really good DVD-R's for the price.
B.T.W. does anyone know if it is allright to put lables on DVD-R's? I've heard that it not good and also that it won't hurt anything.

[WZ_Man]

Originally posted by troyboy
I pre-ordered these at the end of November and they arrived about a week and a half later. Just e-mail and they will give you an E.T.A. I'm going to order more. Really good DVD-R's for the price.
B.T.W. does anyone know if it is allright to put lables on DVD-R's? I've heard that it not good and also that it won't hurt anything.

Why wouldn't it be a good idea to put labels on them?

-WZ

[troyboy]

Originally posted by WZ_Man


Why wouldn't it be a good idea to put labels on them?

-WZ

Read something at another forum about the laser not being able to read properly with a label on it. Seems like it would be alright to do it but since I'm new to the DVD burning thing I wanted a second opinion.

[WZ_Man]

I have been putting labels on mine. I have always found, especially with cheap cdrs, that labels increase the laser pickup of the discs...

-WZ

[Smonkey]

I think the no label thing came from ps2 backups, putting labels on ps2 backup dvds caused them not to work for many people.

-Smonkey

[Chumboy]

have put labels on 10 discs now and no problemo.
make sure you get good labels that won't peel off due to your dvd players heat output.

[t0lik]

I ordered mine Nov 29th, got my credit card charged on Dec 4th, and got the DVD-Rs today, Dec 27th. Yeah, it's kinda long time, and billing before shipping is "strange" at least, but I got them nevertheless. Btw, they came in clear jewel cases. Haven't tried burn on them just yet, still have a few Apple DVD-R from Fry's ($29.95 5-pack) lying around.

[MickeyNBK]

I received mine yesterday. I tested them and they play fine on my Malata (multi region player) but my Panasonic SC-DK1(that has never had a problem recognizing DVD-R only DVD-RW) will not read them at all. Plus the top of the disc has a weird look to it.

Burner: Pioneer A03
Firmware revision: 1.55 then upgraded to 1.65
Software: PrasiPrimo DVD and burned one with RecordNow Max 3.01
OS: Windows XP
Processor: PIII 733
Ram: 512mb

[sundance]

Reasonable price for DVD-Rs but:

INTERNATIONAL ORDERS - We only ship from this on-line order system to customers in North America. International orders from other continents must contact our bulk sales desk by fax 1+ 203-744-8444. There is a minimum order to these continents of 1,000 discs.

So, is there an alternative to non US customers?

sundance

[jdobbs]

I ordered mine from www.cd-recordable.com on Monday afternoon (New Year's eve) and got them today (Thursday, the 3rd of Jan). They apparently have them in stock for shipping now. I went over $100 so the shipping was free. It beats the $7.99 they want locally for blank CD-Rs...

[jdobbs]

Also wanted to point out, I haven't tried labels on this brand, but I killed a previous DVD-R by sticking a label on it. It worked fine... I labeled it... it failed. I used a razorblade and some vegetable oil and removed the label --- it worked fine again. Don't know why, but do know the label caused the problem (at least on my APEX 660 with a particular generic brand).

[1DREAMER]

Why arnt you using Primodvd 2.0 to burn instead of Record now ?? Are not they both burning software ?? I had trouble burning using Nero, but when i use primo burns fine and works on my 2 stand alones as well as my AO3. If you look at the boards, DERROW has kindly made available yhe procedure and picturers showing how to. I dont rem the link . but found it looking around . If you cannot find , e mail me and i will try to give step by step as i know. LMK

Originally posted by MickeyNBK
I received mine yesterday. I tested them and they play fine on my Malata (multi region player) but my Panasonic SC-DK1(that has never had a problem recognizing DVD-R only DVD-RW) will not read them at all. Plus the top of the disc has a weird look to it.

Burner: Pioneer A03
Firmware revision: 1.55 then upgraded to 1.65
Software: PrasiPrimo DVD and burned one with RecordNow Max 3.01
OS: Windows XP
Processor: PIII 733
Ram: 512mb :)

[ttyboy]

I have purchased some of the as well. I originally used then on my Panasonic DMR-E20 DVD Recorder. They work great until the end of the disk, about 80-90% through my video freezes or bad pixellization. Upon inspecting the dvd-r's closely, I see small dots that are like the laser missed for a second when burning. So, I decided to try them on my Pioneer DVR-A03, seem to have the same problems. Is anyone else having this problem?

Thanks

[troyboy]

I have the same problem with the last couple of dvd's from this company. All was ok untill the last 45min of the movie. Plays fine on my computer, but set top (Apex 600) got a lot of freezing and pixelations.

[WZ_Man]

I haven't had one problem with these. I have burnt well over 30 DVD discs and everyone has been perfect (unless I screwed it up). I have the Pioneer A03 Firmware 1.68 and have a toshiba 2710 dvd player.


-WZ

[troyboy]

Well I'm thinking that the problems are from my set top player because all the disks work fine when played on my computer. I have an Apex 600ad. Any one else have this problem with this player?

[WZ_Man]

I have heard that the Apex players are horrible. Some don't even play store bought dvd's.

Just what I have heard.


-WZ

[1DREAMER]

Am using same discs, only had a prob with 2 out of 14 sim to yours but not at the end. I even re did the mov again & same places. thats why i think its something in the movie or software. Did you try some differant movies ? How did they come out also was the file size less than 4.3 gig total ? I have a DMRE and Daewoo (dont laugh) (this player plays anything, and for $98.00 !!) and the 2 discs in question have trouble playing on the DMRE, yet they play on the daewoo with the exception of a freeze frame here & there and minor blocking at very few times. My other 12 play fine on either. LMK if you find out anything else. :rolleyes:

[ttyboy]

If I write the same exact movie to a Verbatim, Pioneer or most other brand DVD-R or DVD-RW, I do not have any problems. I put my dvd player in (Repeat Title) mode so it constantly repeats the same movie. I let it run all day, and check it in the evening and with the Recordable Media DVD-R's, It freezes and I have to either stop the movie or ff past that part. If you look closely at the media, you will see little dots that seem to be the cause of the problems. When I use other media with the exact same movie, they work great, no problems. I have had a few Recordable Media DVD-r's that have worked ok, but most of the ones I have tried do not. I have had similar problems with the less expensive Memorex DVD-r's

[WZ_Man]

I guess the Apex just doesn't like the cheap media then..

what you might want to try to do, I don't know if this works for DVDs or not, but try putting a label on it. This worked numerous time for me when the laser was having trouble reading a CD.

I have heard the opposite results too. What do you have to lose?


-WZ

[ttyboy]

For me, it's in not only Apex, buy my pioneer as well as my Panasonic. I think that there is some defective media out there

[1DREAMER]

contact them by e mail or phone and explain whats happening. If you read their GUARANTEE, they will refund or replace them. Its possible you got a bad batch. i have saved the few that i had probs with. I dont see any speckles on any of my disks. did see a small dye line apx 3/4 in long on 3 of them but i burned & seemed ok. ??? Hope they are not taking short cuts due to a big demand, they just raised price of doubles $1.00 after i received my order. LMK what you find out. good luck, and happy burning.:)

[troyboy]

After updateing the firmware on my Apex 600A set-top player the freezing has gotten a little better but is still there in a few spots at the end of the movie.

If you look closely at the media, you will see little dots that seem to be the cause of the problems.

I looked at a few of the disks I'm having problems with and have also seen these dots. Just wondering if these are from the burner, media, or from the burning software.

My burning set-up IAF's:
Nero 5.5.6.4
Matshita(Panasonic) LF-D311 DVD-R/RAM
Win XP PRO
Athlon XP 1600+
384MB RAM
DVD-R's from cd-recordable.com
Apex 600A set-top player.


Anyone see something that thay are using similar to my set-up and are or are not having problems please let me know so I can try to troubleshoot this.

Thanks... Troy.

[Arky]

Hi, I am not lucky enoough to own an A03, but it occurs to me, just browsing this thread, that perhaps with the cheaper DVDr media, some of you should try burning them at 1x, rather than 2x, and see if your success rate goes up??

I only mention this because in the early days of CDR, the cheaper brands were only certified to burn at lower speeds. Although the cheaper DVDr media may well be certified to burn at 2x, I wonder if the use of cheaper dyes might make them less suitable for this burning speed than premium branded media?

It's just a thought, so don't flame me, ok?!


Arky ;o)

[Arky]

Oh, one more thing - with regard to the labelling issue, I do not know what lacquers are being employed in the manufacture of the DVDr disks you are using, but I would personally be very wary of applying labels because unless you are using labels made from acid-free paper, and non-corrosive adhesive, the lacquer might be vulnerable to deterioration. I admit that this is unlikely, but I would hate to work for hours and hours to create disks, only to find that 12months down the line they were fit for the bin... - I'll stick to using a felt pen for my CDRs - not glamourous, but functional and safe!

If anyone reading this thinks I'm a nutcase, then cast your mind back, if you will, to the minor disaster Philips suffered in the early days of Audio CDs. Hundreds of thousands of customers complained of deteriorating disks (and I'm talking about manufactured/pressed disks here, not recordable). Upon investigation, it turned out that for several months, the sleeve inserts/booklets for the CDs had been produced with paper of a lower grade than specified, and thus the higher acid content of the material was rotting through the lacquer of the CD it was pressed against, while the Jewel case was closed... (this is, of course, a separate phenomenon from the "Laser Rot" that Laser Disks suffered, which was largely attributed to low grade disk lacquer permitting the ingress of oxygen and humidity to the (now unused) aluminium data layer).


Arky ;o)

[MickeyNBK]

Also you might want to avoid using Sharpie permanent markers. A friend of mine use to work at Nimbus (farily large cd manufacturing plant). He told me they discovered that something in the ink of the Sharpies deteriated the laquers.

[Chumboy]

good point, but i feel that as long as you stick with brand name labels, they are probably using materials that have been lab tested not to damage the exact product they are designed to be applied to.
perhaps i'm trusting too much, but good point never-the-less.

[berto]

Do these cd-recordable.com dvd-rs work on the PS2? thanks

[Coop920]

Originally posted by berto
Do these cd-recordable.com dvd-rs work on the PS2? thanks

yes they do man, all the ps2 games that i've burned with those dvdr's work in my ps2 flawlessly

Coop:rolleyes:

[berto]

yah but how about dvd-r movies? if so, what software did u burn it with?

[MickeyNBK]

At Arky's suggestion I dropped my write speed down to 1x and media I was previously having problems with (http://www.meritline.com/25pac47undvb.html) worked alot better in my one player but still has problems in my panasonic. I'll give one of the cd-recordable.com one's a try tonight. Since I do most of my burning when I'm either leaving or going to sleep speed is not an issue.

[WZ_Man]

Have any of you been able to burn dvd-r's at 2x? The software says it is burning at 2x. When you look at it, it is only burning at 1 x. I have tried a couple different medias too... same results...


I have the pioneer a03 firmware 1.68


anyone?


-WZ

[xsirxx]

Well, i have emailed CD-Recordable.com to find a solution to this matter. I use their media and everyone of my discs came out with bad blocks around the last 3/4ths of each disc's sectors. I have tried 1x and 2x, and i have tried pioneer media, both which give me great results. 1x and 2x hasnt changed a single thing when burning any media for me. I use Prassi, Smartripper, IFOEdit, and occasionally REEMPEG. Any ideas out there or same problems? Thanks

[ttyboy]

I have the exact same problem! If you look closely at the media, about 70-80% towards the outside there appears some dots that are not the same shade of purple as the rest of the dvdr. I have had the same problem in my Panasonic DMR-E20 as well with these disks. I spoke with recordable media and they said i should send back the disks to them for replacement. not sure it replacing them will get rid of the problems. when i use pioneer, tdk or verbatim media, i do not have any problems

[ttyboy]

Here is another thing that I have found to be true. When you go to burn your dvd-r, make sure that there is not any dust or lint on the dvd-r. It seems that if there is some lint or visible dust, that it is sometimes the cause of the tiny burn dots on the burned dvd-r

[WZ_Man]

Got a question to you all... You able to get these dvd-rs to burn at 2x? It seems pioneer has been nice enough to only allow THEIR brand media to burn at 2x. (From what I have found at least)


Anyone have any other results?

-WZ

[xsirxx]

Yea i have burned half of mine at 2x and the other half at 1x. No problems with speed here. I would watch out for burning them though, none of my media has come out working yet using these discs.

[WZ_Man]

You positive that you were burning at 2x? Mine said 2x but if you looked at the data writing to it, it was only burning at 1x

I have burned about 35 of these now and haven't had one bad one (that wasn't my fault)


-WZ

[xsirxx]

i wish i had yer problem, only being able to burn at 1x with all your discs coming out perfect. Yea it takes about 30 mins for me to burn a full dvd-r from cd-recordable.com. About an hour on 1x. What are you using to rip/mux/burn? Maybe its my software?

[WZ_Man]

Weird... I have tried Nero, VOB, Primo... all only 1x writing w/ these discs... but, 2x with the brand name pioneer...

From what I have heard, pioneer did this on purpose...

I have also heard that some other discs work, such as Verbatims..


Weird...

I just don't know..


What are you using to burn?
and can you play these in the computer? or are they just not working in your stand-alone?

thanks,


-WZ

[xsirxx]

Yea, i have a Sony DVD player (standalone.) The discs work the same in both my sony and my computers ( Pionner A03 and Off brand 16x.) Which is, skips at the same spots. When ripped again off the DVD-R discs, i get bad sectors. The weird thing about all this is, even with the bad sectors, all the movies play fine on my XBOX. But unfortunatly, i would like to watch movies in my bedroom before bed, take them over to friends houses for movie nights, not just in my living room :) Have you had any problems in the computer/standalone? or anyone for that matter with the CD-Recordable.com discs?

Thanks

[robinsj]

Same problem here.. i have the pioneer DVR-A03 and everyone I have burned from cd-recordable.com came out perfect... but I can't get it to burn at 2x.. not matter what program i try... Prassi just says it is burning at 2x.. but it isn't.... because the data that is being written is only going at 1x...

[WZ_Man]

Yep, and I have tried other generic media... same thing. The pioneer brand works at 2x though...


That irritates me!!! I guess it is in the firmware rather than the software. I sure would like a firmware patch..


Anyone else have successful 2x results with "cheap" media?


-WZ

[Chumboy]

this 1x/2x thing on the A03 really pisses me off.
here's a link to ask pioneer wassup:
http://www.pioneer-america.com/Pioneer/CDA/Forms/FormContactUs/1,2377,60,00.html

if enough of us write, maybe they'll put out the necessary patches/fw updates.

also, here's the link to the A03 specs (pdf format).
http://www.pioneer-america.com/Pioneer/Files/DVRA03-103_GSpecs.pdf

[robinsj]

With this 1x/2x burning problem.. has anyone tried downing there firmware to a lower version?? maybe i will try it...

[Nevada426]

The only brands I've gotten to burn at 2X were TDK and Pioneer. CD-Recordable Media brand and Memorex only burn at 1X using RecordNow Max 3.01 but the disks play flawlessly. RecordNow says 2X but it still takes 55 minutes to complete.

[WZ_Man]

Originally posted by Chumboy
this 1x/2x thing on the A03 really pisses me off.
here's a link to ask pioneer wassup:
http://www.pioneer-america.com/Pioneer/CDA/Forms/FormContactUs/1,2377,60,00.html

if enough of us write, maybe they'll put out the necessary patches/fw updates.

also, here's the link to the A03 specs (pdf format).
http://www.pioneer-america.com/Pioneer/Files/DVRA03-103_GSpecs.pdf



Ok, I just got done with speaking to a Pioneer Enginner...

He said that it isn't a firware problem, rather a media problem. He said that in order to burn at 2x, the discs must be certified by pioneer.

So, it wouldn't surprise me that the cdrecordable media hasn't been certified.

He couldn't release a list of certified media to me either, so that sucks...

I guess anyone that has successfully burnt at 2x on a certain media, should post it here and we can make a list.

I sure would rather wait 30 mins than 60 mins


Thanks all,


WZ

[robinsj]

To me.. I don't care how long it takes to burn... as long is it burns right, but I have tried different brands....

Apple Discs - 2x Burning (www.apple.com)
Mitsui Discs - 2x Burning (www.cdrplanet.com) I dont buy these anymore, they are to expensive
Cd-Recordable - 1x Burning (www.cd-recordable.com)


There is a start to the list

[Chumboy]

let's start a new thread for this posting............

[jdobbs]

Here's a quote I found about the 1X/2X limitation:

"When shopping for blank DVD-R discs, consider that while the DVR-A03 writes all brands of General media at 1X speed, the unit will only write Pioneer-approved media at 2X speed. The recorder accomplishes this by checking the manufacturer information encoded on each disc against a list of qualified companies contained in its firmware (currently Pioneer, Verbatim/Mitsubishi, TDK, Maxell, Mitsui, and Taiyo Yuden). Pioneer indicates that 2X qualification is an ongoing process with support for additional media manufacturers added through periodic updates to the DVR-A03's firmware."

What a crock... The disc manufacturer should guarantee and take responsibility for the media they produce, not the drive manufacturer. Is this their way of keeping the price up?

I got the info here:

http://www.emedialive.com/reviews/bennett6_01.html