Nero AVC or x264 with XBOX360 DVD drive - anyone try...

[sjchmura]

For $160 USD the HD-DVD addon should be a great bargain for 360 owners. Anyway, according to MS, you can play VC1 or AVC burned to a DVD or DVD9.

Has anyone tried this? I think the peak bitrates should not be much of a problme with the 3 cores being used with the HD-DVD addon. With VC1 peak bitrates of 15mbits are fine with teh normal, single threaded, DVD drive

[easy2Bcheesy]

The only problem here is that there is no authoring software that will turn your AVC/x264 stream into an HD DVD compliant DVD. Just bunging the files onto a DVD won't do much good.

I am not even sure we have the correct encoding profile to produce HD DVD compliant AVC files in the first place, although I concede that it would be awfully good info to have as Ulead have an AVC/VC-1 authoring package for HD DVD coming out early next year.

[sjchmura]

AH, yes, MP4 is not the same container they are using - I remember now. Still, the internal drive reads WMV's provided with keep the average/peak to 8000/15000. So I would assume with the multithreaded version you can go higher.

I am going to pick this up and see how high we can go on VC-1 bitrates using ProCoder 2

[crypto]

Anyway, according to MS, you can play VC1 or AVC burned to a DVD or DVD9.


May I ask for the source of that statement?

[sjchmura]

From the posts in the threads from the MS poeple in the "New codec section" this would appear so at least from VC1.

With the internal drive WMV VC1 plays fine at 720p/24fps 8000/15000 (average/peak/5.1 256).

Well, I will pick one up later and report back

[easy2Bcheesy]

The latest firmware update allowed for rock solid 720p/30 playback. However, 720p/60 only worked with no frame drops on depressingly low bandwidth videos and looked awful.

The dashboard WMV playback is not as powerful as the HD DVD VC-1 decoder.

[sjchmura]

Exactly,

Before I post what some MSDN groups have stated, I wanted to see if anyone with an HD-DVD drive has TRIED 720p/60 at higher bitrates to see if that "kicks in" the multithreaded engine.

According to MS (WMTALK listserve) the HD-DVD drive will play back a disk with WMV on it - how well is the question.

Practically, most 720p/60 content is really film at 24. So don't you really want to IVTC to 24FPS anyway for better compression???

[plane]

I wanted to know the X264(mp4 container) hardware player compatibility too.... on PS3/Xbox360/BD HD player

[sjchmura]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8888610#post8888610

WMV only if you just want to plop a DVD5 or 9 into the HD-DVD XBOX 360 player. Recommendations for bitrates and features to follow soon.

Now, when is someone going to allow us to author VC1-HDDVD :)

[bond]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8888610#post8888610

WMV only if you just want to plop a DVD5 or 9 into the HD-DVD XBOX 360 player. Recommendations for bitrates and features to follow soon.

Now, when is someone going to allow us to author VC1-HDDVD :)thats not hddvd people are talking about there if i understand it right

its this m$ centric wmv hd stuff

a hddvd compliant player always needs to be able to decode avc too btw...

[CruNcher]

hmmm maybe AHA yes that could work :)
somebody try a WMV-HD disc and then replace the video with AP encoded content, that could indeed work :)

[Sagittaire]

HDDVD standard can officialy use DVD (3X) and HDDVD (1X)optical disk. You can make HDDVD compliant structure on simple DVD. You can use for that all the compliant HDDVD video codec (MPEG2, VC1 and AVC) for the evo structure file.

[CruNcher]

But Sagittaire you can't mux VC-1 nor H.264 inside .EVO yet at least the average joe user can't but the possibility that it works with a mastered WMV-HD wich is a simple DVD-ROM with Microsofts WMV-HD structure could work :)
For Example you take the Tombraider 2 WMV-HD and replace the content with your own AP files this could even work on the normal XBOX 360 drive and maybe it does use the other (faster) Decoder then i dunno if it does i have no XBOX 360 here to test it.

[killerhex]

i saw on the xbox website that it is $200

[sjchmura]

The HD-DVD addon will 100% per MS (read further on MS or join th e WMV/VC1 list(playback AVC HD-DVD disks you make in DVD5/9/or HD-DVD). IN fact, Pinnacle 10 with their crappy ass codec demonstrates this. The ULEAD works fine with MPEG2 DVD9 also

Unfortunatly NONE of the consumer packages take a x264 and mux it to EVO so we can burn it.

However, if you read between the lines,it is coming very very soon from our good friends who's software only works with 6.6 and 7.5 revisions :)

[sjchmura]

If you get it at Circuit city with their coupon (search $40 off 200) you get it for $160 with King Kong