...and the revamped Xvid(!) homepage is up, too!

[Teegedeck]

www.xvid.org

Check it out. The commercial-looking 'microsoft-ish' design certainly is not my cup of tea, but well... Still no sign of XviD 2.

[sysKin]

Oh my, what the heck IS Xvid Solutions O_O

[squid_80]

WebCVS seems to be broken, comes up with err 403 (forbidden)

The product certification (under xvid solutions->services) looks interesting, but even the highest profile doesn't support custom PAR?

[Kurtnoise]

Still no sign of XviD 2.
Since being founded in 2001, the Xvid project focuses on MPEG-4 video compression. Early Xvid versions (0.9.x) implemented MPEG-4 simple profile (SP) de- and encoding. The Xvid 1.0 source tree introduced MPEG-4 advanced simple profile (ASP) compression including all advanced coding tools like B-frames, quarterpixel motion compensation and GMC. The upcoming development branch Xvid 2.0 adds support for MPEG-4 advanced video coding (AVC) de- and encoding up to High Profile and dramatically advances upon the compression performance of earlier Xvid versions.
http://www.xvid.org/Xvid-Codec.2.0.html#c135

:D

[SledgeHammer_999]

hey guys do you know if the new 1.1.2 has multithreading code like 1.2(koepi's)? If yes, is it updated or is it the same?

thanks

[virus]

Oh my, what the heck IS Xvid Solutions O_O
you tell us, man... or did they create an official support organization without asking the ME guy?

[foxyshadis]

The 1.1.x line is all bugfixes of 1.1, new features like MT are only in cvs.

[SledgeHammer_999]

The 1.1.x line is all bugfixes of 1.1, new features like MT are only in cvs.


then I can't wait for 1.2 to be launched officialy

[CruNcher]

Oh my, what the heck IS Xvid Solutions O_O


Hmm maybe DivX Inc and (Ateme)Nero AG. biggest Nightmare ;)

ok fun aside seems Michael is CEO/CTO of a Limited now named XviD Solutions also XviD seems to have a Brand now
and a official Product Certification Logo Lineup for Devices :)

New official Brand Logo ???
http://www.xvid.org/typo3temp/pics/e74de0cf5f.gif

ASP Certification Logo
http://www.xvid.org/fileadmin/pics/highdef_logo.png

AVC Certification Logo
http://www.xvid.org/typo3temp/pics/470a5fdee3.png

[unskinnyboy]

ZOMG!!!1 OH NOES!!!!111 XviD s0ld 0ut!!11 lolz..Y liek dey do dat! x264 FTW! ;-o

[CruNcher]

Don't cry i just said that Michael founded XviD Solutions nothing about a sold out (to anyone) or anything it's just a Solution Provider arround XviD.
That doesn't have to mean that XviD becomes closed source or anything gonna change, im sure it won't and everything stays as it is, but maybe we can expect new developed stuff arround XviD in that process who knows, i find it rather exciting nothing you have to be scared about, as a average user and developer nothing is changing for us :)

[celtic_druid]

XviD certification makes sense since I would bet that at least 90% of the content played back on current DivX hardware is actually encoded with XviD.

[Hard Core Rikki]

Dont bet, be certain it is the case, celtic.

Well, the new site was stunning, compared to the plain, superugly one before. This and the XviD certification program should greatly contribute to the XviD community.

[celtic_druid]

No way to be 100% certain. To be certain you would have to survey everyone with such a player, then go around to their place and check that they weren't lying/knew what they were talking about.

[Blue_MiSfit]

I think the new logos are absolutely dreadful, but thats just my opinion :)

[*.mp4 guy]

This looks like a lead up to Xvid AVC going closed source, which would explain why no one has heard anything about it this long after there was a working alpha (the one used in Doom9's codec comparison). Of course this is just idle speculation.

[sysKin]

This looks like a lead up to Xvid AVC going closed source, which would explain why no one has heard anything about it this long after there was a working alpha (the one used in Doom9's codec comparison). Of course this is just idle speculation.

Okay this one time I finally know something useful ;)
Xvid Solutions is privately held and focuses on R&D, namely the development of its MPEG-4 AVC compression technology which is contributed to the Xvid project under the terms of the GNU GPL license.

[G_M_C]

This looks like a lead up to Xvid AVC going closed source, which would explain why no one has heard anything about it this long after there was a working alpha (the one used in Doom9's codec comparison). Of course this is just idle speculation.

That would be completely contradictionary to the "Goals" they mention on that same page;


[...]
A major goal of the project is to further trigger the creation of GPLed applications and to support the Free Software movement. Hence, the Xvid source code is published under the terms of the GNU General Public License, which requires that combined and derived works must be distributed as a whole under the GPL again.

By sharing our research results and providing the source code of Xvid, we aim at creating a platform for students and interested engineers to exchange their visions and ideas. The Xvid project is targeted at further stimulating science and research in the area of digital image and video processing. In result, Xvid has become subject of university lectures and is also covered by scientific research papers from all over the world.

[sillKotscha]

my try to translate some lines of a german article...


(Michael) Militzer führte weiter aus, dass im Rahmen des Zertifierungsprogramms eine enge Zusammenarbeit mit einigen Chipherstellern stattfinde.

(Michael) Militzer amplified that in line with the certification program there will be a close collaboration with chip manufacturers taking place...


Es seien Chips in der Entwicklung, die das volle MPEG4-ASP-Profil inklusive 3-Warppunkt-GMC (Global Motion Compensation) unterstützten.

chips are under way providing the full MPEG4-ASP profile incl. 3-Warppunkt-GMC...


"Es wird in 2007 auch bei DVD-Playern und im Set-Top-Box-Bereich Geräte (HD und SD) geben, die GMC voll unterstützen werden. Gleichzeitig werden ebenfalls schon in 2007 auch portable Geräte auf den Markt kommen, die ASP mit GMC abspielen werden", äußerte Militzer.

[...] 2007 seems to be the year for full MPEG4-ASP profile chips boxed into DVD-Players, Set-Top-Boxes (HD and SD) and presumably portable devices...

source:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/80396

[*.mp4 guy]

Okay this one time I finally know something useful ;)

Thats good news, thanks for clearing that up. I guess I should have looked around the site some more. It just seemed really comercial, so when "Xvid Solutions" got mentioned It looked like Xvid might be going comercial aswell. That and I just can't figure out why Xvid avc has been delayed so long (since the version doom9 had worked fine) I suppose they probably want to get it as good as (or better) then the other avc codecs before they release it.

[sysKin]

It just seemed really comercial, so when "Xvid Solutions" got mentioned It looked like Xvid might be going comercial aswell.

Well from what I understand/guess, it IS meant to be commercial. No one said you can't do commercial things around opensource software :)

[sillKotscha]

(Michael) Militzer amplified that in line with the certification program there will be a close collaboration with chip manufacturers taking place...

as I have translated for you... what else do you need to realize that xvid is going commercial...

but that doesn't change anything... it is just a way forward the future and positive for "us" as you will have very nice standalone products supporting everything xvid has to offer :rolleyes:

and once they managed to cooperate in a nice manner with the industry, just think ahead... if those particular manufacturers (whoever they are) where able to deliver full MPEG4-ASP profile (incl. 3-Warppunkt-GMC) chipsets, guess who will be the first to offer xvid 2.0 compliant chipsets ;)

EDIT:

or just think different...

a divx guy is asking the doom9 community what we like to see as the future of divx - they seem to get stuck with their product now. They have reached a point where every certified product is limited to restricted ASP profile while in contrast xvid seems to be smarter at this point once again...

they are looking forward partners supporting full MPEG4-ASP chipsets and in my guesswork the already mentioned xvid 2.0 compliancy... pure speculation, but...

[virus]

Looks like the codec has been officially renamed from "XviD" to "Xvid".
Look at the logos and the new site, and compare it with the old one (from google's cache) as well as all other references (eg. the maillists, this forum's name, etc.).

[SeeMoreDigital]

I think the new logos are absolutely dreadful, but thats just my opinion :)I quite like em!

Interesting... XviD is now Xvid ;)

[sillKotscha]

I quite like em!

me too... a lot!!

[shon3i]

Finaly some action. WOOHO.

[Adub]

Does this mean development is picking up? Can we expect to see some more regular releases coming from the Xvid camp?

[Brother John]

The new "Xvid" spelling will need a little getting used to, but it's not a bad idea. Actually there never was a real reason for the D to be upper case - except if you think of "XviD" as being "DivX reversed". No need to send out that message, is there? :) And I like the clean logos. The overall look of the website is fine - really professional like it should be. Xvid is a professional video codec after all.

Apart from looks the site is somewhat buggy (using latest Opera). There are some smaller visual glitches you could live with. But the drop down menu is broken. It disappears when moving the mouse to one of the sub entries. Hope this will be fixed soon.

[virus]

Apart from looks the site is somewhat buggy (using latest Opera). There are some smaller visual glitches you could live with. But the drop down menu is broken. It disappears when moving the mouse to one of the sub entries. Hope this will be fixed soon.

Yup, confirmed. But I think it won't be fixed at all.
Over 90% of the problems with dropdown menus I've seen with Opera in the last 6 years were caused by broken scripts on the server side - most of them failed to properly recognize/allow Opera and were sending it crap.
MSDN was (in)famous for doing exactly that - on purpose, of course.

This is one of those cases: right click on the page, choose "Edit site preferences", go to the Network tab and set it to either "Mask as Mozilla" or "Mask as IE". Reload the page. Problem fixed. Now Opera pretends to be Firefox/IE, and that damn menu script is happy.

Note that if you just identify as another browser, that won't work - clearly the script actively searches "opera" within the user-agent string. You need to mask, which means hiding your browser's identity completely. And some webmasters have the guts to say: "we don't support Opera because our website's stats show almost no Opera user". Of course... emarginate them like lepers and they certainly won't come.
(and maybe the guy who wrote the script that xvid.org uses is one of those zealots who spams the net shouting "open the web!" everywhere... Bah.)

[anonymez]

XviD AVC is, as the name says, the AVC High Profile encoder from the XviD team. It supports all AVC profiles, and by the looks of it, even interlaced encoding. The codec will be made available to the general public in January 2006, under the GPL license as usual.

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-main-105-1.htm

[raeltheimperialaerosolkid]

I would really like to have a rss feed for the news in the homepage.
(I would like to have them in the Doom9 homepage too...:D)

[xyloy]

You need to mask, which means hiding your browser's identity completely. And some webmasters have the guts to say: "we don't support Opera because our website's stats show almost no Opera user". Of course... emarginate them like lepers and they certainly won't come.
(and maybe the guy who wrote the script that xvid.org uses is one of those zealots who spams the net shouting "open the web!" everywhere... Bah.)
Obviously you don't know what the "open the web!" motto means.
It's about using standard W3C code instead of Microsoft's (way to) code(in HTML, for example) to make websites.
This way any browser can open any website, not only IE(wich isn't compliant with the W3C's recommandations).
It's not about Open source software(Mozilla/Firefox) against Closed source software(IE/Opera).
It's about freedom of choice, wich can only exist if every website use the same "language".

http://w3blacklist.flashtux.org/
The World Wide Web has been created to ensure anyone can freely access information and share it. Some people or companies forget this goal and create websites that can only be accessed through a defined browser, operating system, or both.
W3Blacklist is listing websites (companies, governement or organizations; not personal pages) that discriminate visitors according to their operating system or web browser. Webmaster is contacted before adding website to this list. Our goal is that webmaster modify page to be readable by all, whatever browser or OS used.


I loved the XviD spelling, geez, it was so cool. :P

[virus]

Obviously you don't know what the "open the web!" motto means.
It's about using standard W3C code instead of Microsoft's (way to) code(in HTML, for example) to make websites.
This way any browser can open any website, not only IE(wich isn't compliant with the W3C's recommandations).
It's not about Open source software(Mozilla/Firefox) against Closed source software(IE/Opera).
It's about freedom of choice, wich can only exist if every website use the same "language".


Thanks for the lecture.
I know perfectly what it means. I've been running alternative browsers for almost 10 years - don't really need a lecture from a FF fanboy. And if you cared to actually read what I wrote, my point should have been obvious.
I don't explain my point in detail again because: 1) even on a thread about a website, we're still quite a bit off-topic; 2) I don't like your arrogant tone "you obviously don't know this or that". It really deserves no comments or explanations whatsoever.

However, I can add this: people should really start to get real about that statements - which I support BTW.
Sending broken code to alternative browsers (even though they're perfectly able to render W3C-compliant pages) because people are too bad at coding or too lazy to test their scripts against more than 2 browsers is a threat to "freedom of choice" as big as basing web content over proprietary extensions instead of open standards. Those people are really better off keeping their mouth shut and leave slogans to those who actually want to do something practical about the issue.

Apparently for you "Open the web" simply means "Open the web to my browser, and who cares about the others".
For me, this isn't the case.

(also, my post didn't contain a single instance of the words "open source" or "closed source", yet you feel the need to lecture me "it's not closed source against open source, you don't understand anything" - it's nice to reply to posts without even reading them uh?)

[xyloy]

Apparently for you "Open the web" simply means "Open the web to my browser, and who cares about the others".
For me, this isn't the case.
I meant the opposite... open the web to any browser.
So yes, you're right, it's nice to read posts with backwards...

And my "arrogoant" tone was an anwser to this line: "zealots who spams the net shouting "open the web!" everywhere".. Or was that irony ? yeah sure....

[virus]

Kinda hard to answer to an ever-changing post. Hope you're done with editing it again and again.



And my "arrogoant" tone was an anwser to this line: "zealots who spams the net shouting "open the web!" everywhere"..Or was that irony ? yeah sure....

No irony.
Have you ever been in a forum where a normal discussion was taking place, or in a technical blog where browser features were commented? I've been there a lot of times.

And, almost invariably, someone comes out with otherwise empty posts only containing something like "The Best Things In Life Are Free" or "Open The Web" or "<insert a cool slogan here>". They're sometimes coupled with the logo of a well-known browser - which IMHO doesn't deserve to be associated with that kind of people. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Those are "zealots", aka "fanboys", aka "trolls". And they are indeed spammers IMHO, since that kind of "support" (LOL) serves absolutely no purpose other than starting flamewars and wasting bandwidth.
Ah, if only that energy was employed to actually improve websites' interoperability across *all* browsers (which often requires no particular work, since most alternative browsers support a rich set of rendering features - no need to produce dumbed-down versions of the code for them) instead of spamming the net...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Personally speaking, I think Xvid's foothold in the MPEG-4 encoding market would be helped if they launched (or sanctioned) an official MPEG-4 encoder GUI.

A "DrXvid" (for want of a better expression) style encoder specifically designed to generate AVI/MP4 encodes compatible for use with stand-alone players and devices ;)

Any takers?

[Chainmax]

For most of use here it would be useless, but for the general populace it would mean a big push towards Xvid indeed. Last thing I checked, most people used PSP Video 9 for their PSP encoding needs.

[SeeMoreDigital]

For most of use here it would be useless, but for the general populace it would mean a big push towards Xvid indeed. Last thing I checked, most people used PSP Video 9 for their PSP encoding needs.Indeed... that's the point I was trying to make.

In order for XviD to get it's brand name "quickly" known to the majority of end-users (not enthusiasts like us) I think it needs some purpose built (and approved) encoder GUI's;)

[weaver4]

Personally speaking, I think Xvid's foothold in the MPEG-4 encoding market would be helped if they launched (or sanctioned) an official MPEG-4 encoder GUI.

A "DrXvid" (for want of a better expression) style encoder specifically designed to generate AVI/MP4 encodes compatible for use with stand-alone players and devices ;)

Any takers?

SMD: How does AVI.NET not meet this need? The author claims "No other AVI conversion program is available whose number one priority is standalone player support." Is it just the "official" part that we need? Or are you looking for Open Source?

[sillKotscha]

SMD's attempt wasn't to praise an existing conversion tool but to set up a special xvid conversion tool in terms of corporate design etc.

as Dr. DivX is some kind of a corporate tool (now open source) and clearly related to divx by everyone the same thing is needed for xvid.

my guess is when all xvid profiles are clearly set up for SAP compatibility etc., then something like Dr. Divx for Xvid will show up...

but please not "Dr. Xvid" ;)

[708145]

but please not "Dr. Xvid" ;)

"Prof. XviD" then. sounds professional :p