Sony, "Click", and RipIt4Me - A suggestion [Archive]

setarip_old

10th October 2006, 22:30

Having just successfully used "RipIt4Me" to backup "Click", I've come to the conclusion that SONY's current purpose with its "ARccOS" copy protection is to simply wear out our DVD-ROMs and or burners. It seems that all SONY is now doing is creating more and more bad sector groupings - and the only effect of this is to make our drives work harder and longer, as from within "RipIt4Me", DVD Decrypter works diligently in replacing these bad sectors with "dummy sectors" which, also from within "RipIt4Me", are later removed by "RipIT4Me" and/or "FixVTS".

In light of this, I wonder if the "RipIt4Me" package could be somehow restructured, so that the "RipIT4Me"/"FixVTS" cleanups could be performed immediately after the creation of the PSL files and before the actual DVD Decrypter ripping? If this could be done, it would eliminate the time and effort of DVD Decrypter writing "dummy sectors" ("reading" goes down to -0- during this procedure)

blutach

11th October 2006, 00:07

As far as I can tell from looking at logs and the time when buttoninfo.txt is created, the way RipIt4Me works is that it looks at the way the DVD is structured after ripping and does some sort of exploring of the structure then to see what is protected and what is not.

Therefore, I would suspect what you are suggesting is not possible with its technology.

Certainly, FixVTS can only cleanup ripped files.

As for ripping speed, I have an LG and it does go down to 0 on bad sectors. I now have set DVD Decrypter settings to cycle tray on bad settings and my ripping time is very good.

Regards

BigDid

11th October 2006, 00:21

... As for ripping speed, I have an LG and it does go down to 0 on bad sectors. I now have set DVD Decrypter settings to cycle tray on bad settings and my ripping time is very good...
Hi Les,

Would you mind sharing the how-to settings, just looked at the DvdD params (with french menus) I have nothing related :o
Thank you.

Did

setarip_old

11th October 2006, 00:42

the way RipIt4Me works is that it looks at the way the DVD is structured after rippingNaah - It creates the PSL2 files before the ripping begins...

Perhaps the author(s) will be able to come up with some additional "magic" ;>}

blutach

11th October 2006, 02:55

@BigDid - Tools, Settings, General, Cycle Tray After Bad Sectors

@setarip_old - it actually creates 2 PSL files, An inital one and a final one (which is the real one). The final one is created after the analysis. The initial one seems to cover the whole DVD.

Regards

BigDid

11th October 2006, 03:14

@BigDid - Tools, Settings, General, Cycle Tray After Bad Sectors...
Indeed,

The litteral translation is something like "Relaunch DVD after Bads Sectors"; nothing related to cycle tray :confused:
For french readers: Outils/Paramètres/Général/Relancer DVD après sect. Défectueux (en bas à gauche)
Thanks.

Did

blutach

11th October 2006, 04:28

Oui - at the bottom left!

Regards

DJGhost

12th October 2006, 20:54

Hey guys I had a problem with "Click". Please help!

I had problems ripping "Click" using DVD Shrink with AnyDVD.

What I did was use DVD Decrypted to rip to ISO while AnyDVD is running in the background.

At 99% of the rip, I had the problem. I just Ignored it & finish ripping it.

then I mount the ISO using DAEMON Tools & rip it once again with RipIt4Me. And then use FixVTS & then I use DVD Shrink. And I was done.

Now pay attention to this . . . after "Click" . . . My burner does not want to read or burn any other disc!

My DVD-ROM drive works fine but not my DVD-RW drive.
Is it possible that "Click" instaled something in Windows that basically killed my burner?

Thanks in advance guys

thanks in advance

candsh

12th October 2006, 21:41

have you tried to reboot and see if windows reinstalls your drive or enter the bios (usually reboot and keep pressing 'delete' ) and that will get you in. Be careful in there, and you should have the mother board manual as a reference........or have someone who has some experiance with computers do it for you.....have the system locate the IDE Devices installed on your computer

setarip_old

12th October 2006, 22:12

Is it possible that "Click" instaled something in Windows that basically killed my burner?Nope...

As suggested by "candsh", rebooting should make things "all better" ;>}

DJGhost

12th October 2006, 22:22

I rebooted my PC around 5 times. For a while I thought it would be problems with the AnyDVD drivers but I uninstalled it & still the same problem.

I'm going to try loading up in safe mode. I'll be back to post

BTW my burner is Lite-On DVDRW SOHW1693S
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Edit: I tried in safe mode & nothing. Maybe my drive kicked the bucket :(

setarip_old

12th October 2006, 22:34

My burner does not want to read or burn any other disc!Does Windows recognize the burner? If not, try to use Windows "Add new hardware function"...

DJGhost

12th October 2006, 23:02

It does. It ejects fine. But whenever I stick a disc inside (blank or not) it doesn't read it. I see the read light blinking & i hear it spinning but it doesn't detect the media.

BigDid

12th October 2006, 23:29

... But whenever I stick a disc inside (blank or not) it doesn't read it. I see the read light blinking & i hear it spinning but it doesn't detect the media.
Hi,

I also have noted this behaviour. It began with last 1.4.x Ripit4me, is more present with 1.5.0; I haven't use the 1.5.10 yet.

Each time I shutdown and cold boot. A-Ok after reboot.
I suppose it may be related/conflicting to locking the media param in DvdDecrypter ... ?

Did

setarip_old

12th October 2006, 23:47

Maybe my drive kicked the bucket... I see the read light blinking & i hear it spinning but it doesn't detect the media.You might try running a DVD/CD cleaning disc on your burner. Maxell makes one that sells for approximately $10US...

DJGhost

13th October 2006, 15:11

Ok. I figure it out guys. Something definetly was installed when I shrinked "Click".

I installed my old DVD-RW drive (TDK 420N) and it has the same problem. The TDK burner was working fine in my other PC.

I tried to burn an image file using ImgBurn & the log keeps saying
Waiting for buffers to recover...
Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...
I know 100% is not my HDD. The burn process stops & continues burning. I burned the same img file in my other PC using ImgBurn & had no problems.

I tried my Lite-On burner on my other PC & works fine.

I also noticed my Shutdown was a little bit slower. All I can do right now is Re-Installed windows.
I never really had a backing up problem like ths one before.
So be careful with this one ppl. I dunno how it bypassed the latest AnyDVD but it did.

setarip_old

13th October 2006, 20:36

@DJGhost

If you are referring to the Region 1 version of "Click", there is nothing insidious on it that would cause the difficulty you've experienced.

1) Before considering doing a full Windows re-install, try performing a "System Restore" back to the last date things were working properly

2) Did you, by any chance, recently install a firmware update for your burner?

DJGhost

13th October 2006, 21:01

Yeah. I'm talking about the Region 1 version of "Click".
I'm gonna try to do a system restore but I'm a little skeptic that will work since i've tried that feature in the past for other stuff & didn't solved my problem.

And no, I didn't installed a new firmware update. It's up to date & all of my drives are Region free.

I'll do restore & I'll see what I come up with.
thanks guys!

writersblock29

15th October 2006, 08:52

@DJGhost

I just did "Click" R1 last night using the latest RipIt4Me package. Not a single problem, and all my drives work fine. Since both drives work well in your alternate system, you might want to open up the faulty machine and check the pins on your drive's IDE cable to see if any of them are burned -- in fact, try swapping out this cable with the one from your other system. If all works well, then you'll know what the problem was. If this little trick doesn't work, then you might try disabling AnyDVD and using the RipIt4Me bundle; as setarip_old stated, there's a ton of copy protection sectors on this disk (friggin' Sony!), and I'm not entirely sure how AnyDVD handles them. Who knows? If the problem lies with AnyDVD, you'll probably see an update within the next week or so that fixes things.

Trahald

15th October 2006, 22:49

Return of the sony rootkit!! Didnt they learn! j/k

i would hope they would never do stuff like that again. customer relations fiascos are hard to recover from.

since others using the same disk are comming out unscathed its more likely just a coincidental software/hardware issue, DJGhost

Skelsgard

16th October 2006, 20:34

@DJGhost
I have a Sony DVD drive (SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621) that kept coming in and out from "operational state" (that sounds cool :D) when doing Windows reinstalls (I once did 8 reinstalls in a row trying to pinpoint the source of the problem).
Finally, after months of not being able to use the drive (cause I have a SONY DVD-RW DW-Q28A, so I didn´t care much) I figured out that it was the freaking IDE cable, what was causing Windows to know there was a DVD drive (with altered description: SONY DVD-%&[^°-whatever) but to spin discs for 30 seconds to not recognise them in the end.
So, I changed the hose and problem solved. I have my DVD-ROM back.

I thought it might be possible for u to have the same problem as u stated that the drive works fine in another PC. Switch the cable plugs between drives to test.

Cheers.

outsiders71

17th October 2006, 07:04

I just tried backing up Click Me Special Edition. First I tried with the PLS2 plugin with no avail. The PLS2 file it generates does not let me extract the full DVD. I then tried RipItForMe, the latest version and it seemed to do a better job. However 20 minutes into the rip it was still around 20% and not getting far. Not so long after that my DVD-RW drive (Pioneer DVR-111) turned off! As if I unplugged the power cord from the back of it! I had to reboot my PC to open the drive and to see it in Windows. After reading the threads around here I gave AnyDVD a try. It ripped it with ease and no problems. I still had to run the whole DVD through FixVTS though afterwards. :eek:

writersblock29

17th October 2006, 07:15

This is all odd! I had no trouble whatsoever using RipIt4Me to do my copy. The fact that so many others are having problems with this title makes one wonder, though, doesn't it?

Has anyone else had sucess using the RipIt4Me package for this film?

setarip_old

17th October 2006, 07:44

@writersblock29

As I said in the post I started this thread with, I had no trouble using "RipIt4Me" to backup the STANDARD R1 version of "Click".

"outsiders71" states the "Click Special Edition". It's possible that different protection schemes were used for the different versions.

It's also possible that pressings of the "Special Edition" are flawed...

blutach

17th October 2006, 08:59

My understanding of the RipIt4Me technology (which admittedly is only deduced and not very good) is that a bad pressing will attract either:

1. a "scratch" message (in the case of a bad VTS) or
2. a "Video_ts.ifo declares xxx VTS but I can only read yyy" message (in the case where the IFOs can't be read by any method).

Regards

Trahald

19th October 2006, 01:58

I just got click r1 special edition. i have to say ive never seen such a fubared ifo as the main vts. its like an Arcoss disease infected the disk.. there are like 30 fake cells at the beginning (the most ive seen prior is 10) and another 10 at the end of the pgc (based on the cells its likely at the physical tail end of the vts). i can see why ripit4me is failing.

blutach

19th October 2006, 04:01

@Trahald

Are you using 1.5.2.0? I am told it work fine in all modes with this DVD.

Regards

Trahald

19th October 2006, 07:20

Yep.. using 1.5.2.0. full movie

The first time i tried it got to 8% or so and slowed to a crawl. DD started cycling the tray and inserting dummies. which was fine.. but then drive started to make seeking noises so i aborted in a panic. after posting i tried it again, same drive tray cycling but it didnt make the noise and after 5 mins got past and finished... so just wasnt patient/brave enough the first time i guess.

setarip_old

19th October 2006, 07:30

@Trahald

Regarding the slow and tray cycling, I vaguely remember someone posting somewhere on some forum that setting DVD Decrypter settings to "cycle tray on bad settings" improves the ripping time...

blutach

19th October 2006, 08:31

It does for some drives, notably LGs (like I have). The drive re-initialises and gets back up to maximum speed after the CRC errors. It's a good idea it turn it on.

Regards

ElBoricua433

19th October 2006, 16:42

I have an LG too and I didn't even knew that

iceman97

27th October 2006, 23:23

I've witnessed the same issue burning the Special Ed. Click! I was using DVDFab, DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter to burn. Burn showed I/O Error and Aborted. Now my DVD Drive will not except blank DVD-R's. Rebooted, System Restore, PC Recovery (Compaq Preserio) and still no go. Used PCDoctor to analyze and received error codes DV523-1,-2 & -3 on the DVD Drive. When I put a DVD-R in the drive you can watch it turn to a CD Drive @ "My Computer". Tried using the Fix for hidden DMA bug in windows but still no go. I'm:confused: and lost, any suggestions to get my Drive working properly????

blutach

27th October 2006, 23:39

iceman - please do not cross post. Read the rules please, especially rule 8.

Regards

iceman97

27th October 2006, 23:56

sorry, got impatient... just a newbie (forever)

cbarroso

28th October 2006, 02:29

I tried Click (and almost all new releases that I bought in the last 6 months) and Ripit4me result in VOBs out of audio sync when convert them to x264 (MEgui). That problem doesn't happen with DVDFab. Does anyone have this problem? I'm abandoning Ripit4me because I hate to use stop watches... :)

blutach

28th October 2006, 03:19

Do you do a movie only rip cbarroso? That should not have any sync issues.

Regards

cbarroso

28th October 2006, 08:02

Hi Blutach

No, I always do the full DVD and always have audio sync issues with newer releases using Ripit4Me. Using DVDFab I have no problems.

Regards.

blutach

28th October 2006, 08:07

Then rip movie only. RipIt4Me (http://www.ripit4me.org/) leaves certain tiny cells in to preserve navigation - see FAQ 19 (http://www.ripit4me.org/faq.html#faq19). In this way, it is technically correct. But you can remove the tinys, if you are certain there are no nav issues in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html) and then run FixVTS over the domain again.

Regards

setarip_old

28th October 2006, 08:21

@cbarroso

Hi!

If you're saying that the Full DVD rip made by "RipIt4Me" is out of synch before converting/compressing to a different format, I'd suggest that there's a problem with your system.

If you're saying that the problem arises only after converting/compressing a Full DVD rip, I'd suggest that the problem is in the way MEgui is reading the "RipIt4Me" rip. I say this because, in addition to Full DVD backups of new releases ("ARccOS" and "RipGuard" protected as well as others), I always use MPEGMediator to make DivX backups - and have had no out of synch problems whatsoever...

Trahald

4th November 2006, 20:13

some demuxers read the timestamp disparity that arccos causes as a delay. this wont showup on playback on the ripit4me's output files but it confuses some demuxers. if the program used adjusts the delay then you will get desync (this will be a huge desync.) if this is the case then you may have to tell megui not to do the delay correction.

Zimmy

7th November 2006, 19:32

I remember getting through the decrypting/ripping process with Click but playing the backup was another story altogether.
In two players, it would skip and freeze every 30 minutes or so.

So, just because it goes through RipIt4Me without issue doesn't mean it worked.

The sad reality is, this movie wasn't worth the price of a blank DVDR to begin with. ;)

setarip_old

8th November 2006, 00:02

Zimmy

8th November 2006, 14:33

@Zimmy

Hi!

What you describe sounds like a BURNING or MEDIA QUALITY problem, not a ripping problem.

Did you try to play your harddrive rip, using a software DVD player on your DVD - to see if the harddrive rip exhibited the same behavior?

As I mentioned previously, I had no problem successfully ripping the Region 1 version of "Click" with "RipIt4Me" - and my burned DVD of this rip plays perfectly on several different players and PCs...

Maybe, but I rip a lot of DVDs with the same media and very rarely had this issue (maybe one time).
It seems a coincedence that a heavily protected movie doesn't cause this.
I had a similar problem with RV but only in the beginning.

The media is burning at 16x, I'll knock it down to 8x.