(Another) Star Wars multi-angle problem.

[LosKyllos]

I have a problem with backing up Star Wars Episode 4 Nordic R2.

Well...It is backing up fine and playing fine in PowerDVD, but when I put it in my player the multi-angles in the beginning isn't working. It jumps between all the angles and just hangs there forever.


This is what I did:

1) Ripped with DVD-Decrypter

2) Blanked stuff with VobBlanker (I choose Input-directory because I couldn't process VTS_01 because of the angles)

3) Backed up in DVD-RB (where I removed the two audio streams I didn't need)


I hope someone can help me with this. This is the first multi-angle disc I have backed up.

Thanks a lot in advance.

[linx05]

Try it unprocessed. Sometimes blanking things can mess up the DVD. If it still does it with a 'clean rip', then we can look further into what is causing the problem.

[LosKyllos]

Well...I could try that, but I am really interested in keeping a high bitrate, so I will have to blank some stuff...

I don't know if using the input directory in VobBlanker could be causing the problem. Is there something I can do different, or can I blank the stuff another way?

Thanks for trying to help me :)

[setarip_old]

Hi!It is backing up fine and playing fine in PowerDVDAre you saying that your burned backup DVD plays under PowerDVD?

[LosKyllos]

I tried the DVD in my player again, and I noticed that what it is doing is playing ALL the angles...

It plays two seconds from one angle, then moves on to two seconds from the next and so on until it has played all the angles.

I don't know if this helps.

[LosKyllos]

Yup, my burned DVD plays fine on my PC...both PowerDVD and IfoEdit.

[setarip_old]

Does the ORIGINAL DVD play properly on your standalone DVD player?

[LosKyllos]

Yes it does... :)

[jdobbs]

You need to try the disc without any preprocessing... That's a prerequisite to getting help.

Could you post the REBUILDER.INI, REBUILDER.INF and REBUILDER.LOG files (in a zip file)? Also, what version of DVD-RB are you using?

[LosKyllos]

Okay. I will try that tonight, and post my results + logs tomorrow.

Edit: Have updated to the newest version today. Had an older version before :) I don't know if that could be the problem.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... who knows. But the version number for the one you were using would certainly help. It's also important to know whether you are using the freeware or the Professional Edition.

[JFerguson]

I have R1 of this movie. I could test it if need be -- I imagine it has angles like the R4...

[jdobbs]

I've already done the Region 1 version... it works correctly. I think the preprocessing may be to blame (it typically is). We'll know if/when LosKyllos has redone it. The files I requested would help also.

[JFerguson]

Yeah, I missed that - the preprocessing.

I used to preprocess with VobBlanker on occasion, but I don't anymore unless pressed -- like when I want to remove angles, or do some advanced menu blanking. It's a gamble, like one time when I couldn't advance through a title using PowerDVD's time bar on preprocessed source. When I ran the source raw through Rebuilder, it worked fine.

I do like the way that VobBlanker blanks -- it basically NOPs the menu button so that it doesn't even jump into a blank title. If you were blanking an entire titleset, you could probably get away with preprocessing, as Rebuilder would skip processing that titleset. But VobBlanker would modify the video manager (VIDEO_TS.*) files when doing so, as expected, and you'd wonder if you should use them or stick with your raw files.

These days, I'll post-process if needed. I just estimate any expected gains in megabytes in postprocessing and modify the TargetSectors= setting as appropriate. Works 99% of the time.

The last two titles I preprocessed were Bicentennial Man (for angles) and The Clearing (for unreferenced material) -- over two months ago. On The Clearing, I missed the UM during blanking in Rebuilder and lost some bitrate. You have to watch for this type of material when processing source. On the other hand, Rebuilder will automatically clear out unreferenced unreferenced material (as will Shrink) during processing, but not if it's in VIDEO_TS.VOB. I always compare the physical size of the raw dvd files to what DVD Shrink reports to detect UUM before processing any source. If there's big UUM megabytes in VIDEO_TS.VOB, I adjust the TargetSectors= setting and fix it in postprocessing.

May be moot in a few versions -- I imagine you'll probably be processing the video manager menus before too soon, as I think I've seen that mentioned elsewhere...

[jdobbs]

I'm working on that. Maybe for v1.11 -- if not soon after.

[blutach]

@LosKyllos

Have you ripped with the PUOps removed. This is a dead giveaway to improper angle switching.

like one time when I couldn't advance through a title using PowerDVD's time bar on preprocessed sourceI found that too and I finally figured out the reason. After cutting a title, VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/vobblanker.htm) rewrites the time map but does not do it 100% correctly in that it keeps the same number of entries. So, when DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/) comes along it reads the number of entries and fills up the first few with the same entry. To fix this, after a cut in VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/vobblanker.htm), run the time map function in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html), which properly rebuilds the time map (same entries, just the number of entries in 0x0004 is correct).

Also, unreffed material is automatically eliminated during ripping with RipIt4Me (http://www.ripit4me.org/).

Regards

[LosKyllos]

Have you ripped with the PUOps removed. This is a dead giveaway to improper angle switching.


No, it isn't ripped with them removed...Should I try that?


I tried rebuilding it again, but at 75% I suddently got a
"Run-time error 75:
Path/File access error"

This is weird, because all my paths are correct and I have a lot of free space on my drive.


I will try it again later.

[blutach]

No, it isn't ripped with them removed...Should I try that?Definitely not.

Regards

[berndy2001]

a few months ago, i also hat problems (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=91027) with the star wars dvds.
the solution (for me) was, i removed the angle. worked fine.

i always rip my dvds (with dvddec.), removing the PUOps, i dont like restrictions. shouldn't i do that? I never heard about this before.

[blutach]

If VOB PUops (in particular) are not present, the annoying angle icon can appear during the whole title on some players.

Regards

[jdobbs]

No, it isn't ripped with them removed...Should I try that?


I tried rebuilding it again, but at 75% I suddently got a
"Run-time error 75:
Path/File access error"

This is weird, because all my paths are correct and I have a lot of free space on my drive.


I will try it again later.Can you post the associated files? Also, was it a straight, no preprocessing encode this time? I don't see that in your comments anywhere.

So you got a random "Runtime Error 75"? Someone else reported that -- but it happened during the ENCODE phase. Are you, by chance, working with a mounted (maybe USB-2 connected) drive? It's odd, indeed, for a path to simply disappear right in the middle of accessing it.

[LosKyllos]

No, I am just using a normal ATA drive..

When I look at the log I see a lot of retries...I don't know if that could have anything to do with it. I have had some of these before, but only one or two...This time it looks like DVD-RB "gave up" on some of the segments..

Anyway...here are the files:

[LosKyllos]

Ohh I forgot:

I actually think I know what the original problem could be. I think VobBlanker removed PUOPs.

This time I didn't do anything to the files, I just ripped with DVD-Decrypter and rebuilded in DVD-RB.

[jdobbs]

It won't "give up" on just a segment. It will give up on the entire encode after three tries on an individual segment. I see some segments, though, that have a "length of zero" error -- which is very likely another crash of the encoder.

If you are getting lots of retries that's a sign of system instability or of a problem with the encoder. Are you overclocked, by chance?

[LosKyllos]

Not at all, but it looks like I do have a heat problem at the moment... Will look into it and try encoding it again tonight.

Thanks a lot for the help so far :)

[LosKyllos]

OK...It did the same thing again. Have solved the heat problem.

I will try to use another version of CCE tonight.

[LosKyllos]

OK. Now it is working :)

It was a problem with Kaspersky Anti-virus.

The first problem with the angles seems to be because of PUOps getting removed by VobBlanker.


The DVD is working now, BUT there is another problem now. I tried to enable menu encoding, but after the encode the highlight in the menu dissapears after I press a button.

What could be the problem?

[jdobbs]

One of the reasons I haven't added PUOp removal to DVD-RB is because of the problems it causes. Sometimes you might allow an action -- and the player simply doesn't know how to respond because it was meant to be a PUOp.

What disc is it?

[LosKyllos]

Star Wars Episode 1 PAL R2 NORDIC.

I have searched the forum and found other people with this problem (One person with SAW 2), but I can't find a solution.