Apple 1080P Trailers to HD DVD Help

[MaXiMuS]

I need some help on transcoding Apple HD trailers to HD DVD

World Trade Center Trailer 1080p (http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/wtc/hd/) is nice trailer for my authoring test

Clip is 1920x1080p H.264 with AAC 5.1 ch Audio at 48 kHz

i`d like to get not resized MPEG-2 version With 5.1 AC3

my workflow so far looks like this:

01-DeMUX (YAMB/MP4Box) OK
02-Transcode 5.1 AAC Audio to 6 ch WAV using NERO OK
03-Encode Audio to 5.1 AC3 using BeLight OK
04-Video Encoding with TMPGEnc 2.54 (Simple AVS Script) OK
05-Mux Audio & Video Using TMPGEnc muxing util
06-Author HD DVD on DVD Medium Using Ulead Movie Factory 5 OK

my AVS SCRIPT
DirectShowSource("m:\test\trailer.mov")

QUESTIONS:
is there a better, faster method or maybe a one click solution for this ? or maybe i should use different MPEG-2 Encoder ?

[Pookie]

Not too many Mpeg2 HD res encoders out there :( You could use FFMpeg or the tweaked Mpeg2enc command line utilities if you come up with a batch file to do all of your work. Seems possible. Depends how often you'll be doing it...

Canopus Procoder might be an "all in one" solution, but the full version is $350

[MaXiMuS]

Canopus Procoder might be an "all in one" solution

Does Canopus Procoder read APPLE MOV (H.264/AAC) ?

[Daodan]

One thing I can think to increase speed: the demuxed audio use BeHappy to encode to AC3 5.1 (it's directshowbased so make sure of the settings you use for the filter decoding AAC in directshow). All you need is BeHappy, Avisynth (to be installed) and fmpeg.exe in the behappy dir. Easiest way this way.
By the way, seems strange to me how you managed to output 6 wav files with nero, the last time I tried I got a total mess (or did I try a 6 channel wav??).

[Pookie]

Just tried Procoder with an H264 source. What I had to do was rename the source extension to .AVI in order for the CoreAVC directshow decoder to work with it. Could just be my system, but yes, I converted a 720p h264 Quicktime file to 720p Mpeg2.

www.pcsuperdeals.com has it for $375, plus $20 for the CoreAVC codec.

Hmmm. That means TMPGenc should be able to do it as well, you'll need to choose the MP@HL settings in order to do anything above 480. My copy is expired, so I can't test it, but it would be worth looking into as the program is 1/10th the cost of Procoder.

The problem with all of the above is that it addresses video only. If you want AC3 5.1, you'll have to do it as Daodan mentioned or find some variant.

Also, the dimensions of those Quicktime HD trailers vary in height, so you'll have to factor that in when converting to Mpeg2. PITA, isn't it :)

I just tried encoding with the command line Mpeg2enc app and AviSynth and the results looked very nice. The syntax is as follows:

avs2yuv x.avs -o - | mpeg2enc --no-constraints -H -f 3 -G 15 -n n -r 24 -M 2 -c -K hi-res -V 448 -D 10 -b 30000 -I 0 -R 0 -z t -a 4 -F 4 -s -o x.m2v

http://www.tivofiles.com/download.php?file=HD-mpeg2enc.zip
http://www.tivofiles.com/download.php?file=cygwin1-5-12-2004.zip
http://students.washington.edu/lorenm/src/avisynth/avs2yuv/avs2yuv.exe

[Aragorn Skywalker]

Wow, I haven't logged on here in a while and just now noticed how stupid my screen name is. What was I thinking. Anyway...:D

I'm actually trying to do the same thing here.

I’ve been mastering QT trailer for DVD for a while now and I want to try and make higher quality ones. Since they have the HD trailers available, I’d like to be able to make higher quality mpeg2’s to watch on my TV. This is the process I use now:

1. Export audio in wav format and re-encode to .ace with ac3machine to DD 2.0.
2. Encode the video only in TMPGEnc to DVD (NTSC) to .m2v
3. Combine audio and video with DVDLab.
4. Burn to DVD.

This method does not allow me to keep the 5.1 audio and it makes the video 480p. I’d like to make the video at least 720p.

I’m not terribly adept at this stuff, so if anyone has some advice, please speak in layman’s terms if possible.

Thanks in advance!

[Pookie]

720p won't be accepted by your standard DVD authoring software, so unless you have a specialized DVD player (ie AVeL LinkPlayer2), you're stuck with 720x480 resolution.

If you want to make some amazing quality encodes of this stuff, the recommended way to do it is with AviSynth. You can start by copying an already existing script and modifying it to suit your material. This means a few evenings of fumbling around getting accustomed to AviSynth, but the benefits are amazing.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

This is what I've been struggling with for days!!!

I'd love to know an easy way of doing it, especially since the HD DVD players can accept the HD files ;)

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Well I have procoder now as well as CoreAVC. Still not working. Tried switching to avi and nothing. :(

I got the audio to work properly so now I'm just working on video.

Any ideas what settings should be used for TMPGenc?

[Pookie]

Install Haali Media Splitter

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=Haali_Media_Splitter


Rename your source file to .Hdmov ( ie file.mov to file.hdmov )


Load it up in Canopus and try again.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Install Haali Media Splitter

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=Haali_Media_Splitter


Rename your source file to .Hdmov ( ie file.mov to file.hdmov )


Load it up in Canopus and try again.

Canopus doesn't acknowledge hdmov files.

If I keep it as a .mov, it says "general read error."

[Pookie]

1) Rename the file to .hdmov


2) Install Haali (see above)

3) Open the hdmov in MediaPlayerClassic

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=84358&release_id=403110

4) If the file DOESN'T play, that means your CoreAVC codec needs to be reinstalled.

5) If it DOES play, right click on the image as it is playing in Media Player Classic. Under FILTERS ---> Make sure CoreAVC shows up.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

1) Rename the file to .hdmov


2) Install Haali (see above)

3) Open the hdmov in MediaPlayerClassic

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=84358&release_id=403110

4) If the file DOESN'T play, that means your CoreAVC codec needs to be reinstalled.

5) If it DOES play, right click on the image as it is playing in Media Player Classic. Under FILTERS ---> Make sure CoreAVC shows up.

It does play and CoreAVC shows up. However, the audio was behind the video.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Well, i guess we're kinda getting somewhere. Now i get no picture but I do get audio with Prooder.

Before I got neither.

[Pookie]

Okay, let's just make it as easy as possible. This method is pretty foolproof, but you'll need a lot of free disk space for the uncompressed AVI file.

Rename back to .Mov


Download The Rad Video Tools - http://www.radgametools.com/bnkdown.htm

Install, run Radvideo.exe

Make sure your File.mov is in the "File name:" field

Click on "Convert a File"

It'll take you to another screen, where it will ask to save it as file.avi

Click "Convert" - a window will pop up, just choose "Uncompressed Avi"

The uncompressed AVI can easily be converted in Canopus or Tmpgenc

---------------------------------
Note - You can have a much smaller AVI file by installing the Lagarith http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Lagarith_Lossless_Video_Codec.htm

or Huffyuv codec and saving with that setting rather than "Uncompressed"

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Okay, let's just make it as easy as possible. This method is pretty foolproof, but you'll need a lot of free disk space for the uncompressed AVI file.

Rename back to .Mov


Download The Rad Video Tools - http://www.radgametools.com/bnkdown.htm

Install, run Radvideo.exe

Make sure your File.mov is in the "File name:" field

Click on "Convert a File"

It'll take you to another screen, where it will ask to save it as file.avi

Click "Convert" - a window will pop up, just choose "Uncompressed Avi"

The uncompressed AVI can easily be converted in Canopus or Tmpgenc


Nope. Try again. :( :(

"AVI Reader: An operation failed due to a certification failure."

That's the error I get on procoder.

I could always use the original MOV file with TMPGenc but I'm not sure exactly which settings to use on a file like this.

I tried to play the file with VLC and it was seriously messed up. It showed parts of 3 different frames all at once...and it would only skip around.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

MPEG streamclip seems to work if i make a new mov file and then put it into procoder. Just seems like a lot of steps to get to this.

I only tried it with a clip so we'll see.

[Pookie]

How about capturing that AVI error message with a screen capture program ala http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/mwsnap.html

Post it up here : http://fileserver1.jpghosting.com/

[eb]

Use GraphEdit

ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/wtc.JPG

Most difficult was convertion from 4737e526-d1458472-c1a131d0-f13c7643.qtch to world_trade_center-tlr1_h1080p.mov

Xvid sample (ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/bvff.avi) 960x540 /50MB/ right click and save.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Use GraphEdit

ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/wtc.JPG

Most difficult was convertion from 4737e526-d1458472-c1a131d0-f13c7643.qtch to world_trade_center-tlr1_h1080p.mov

Xvid sample (ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/bvff.avi) 960x540 /50MB/ right click and save.

Sorry...but that looks like crap and it's not even in the correct aspect ratio.

I'm getting a screen cap of it right now. Thanks for all your help.

[eb]

It is not problem to set parameters as not "crappy", as mpeg2 1920x1440 or 1920x1080 or whatever you want. This is example that there is one simple step.

EDIT:ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/VMRImage38A555A.jpg

[DigitalfreakNYC]

http://fileserver1.jpghosting.com/images/error_f38358c760a3d4adc4fb0ee1364737fe.jpg

[anonymez]

avisynth directhshowsource()-->mpeg2 encoder

need haali's splitter & ffdshow or coreAVC

[DigitalfreakNYC]

avisynth directhshowsource()-->mpeg2 encoder

need haali's splitter & ffdshow or coreAVC

I apologize...you guys are going to have to go a little slower.

At this point, I'm just going to use TMPGenc if there's not a more direct way of doing this. I haven't dealt with scripts.

[Pookie]

Rename the AVI to MOV or HDMOV

What happens then ?

[Pookie]

http://fileserver1.jpghosting.com/images/tn_Noname_2892ff0345800a7adbe1b81cfbc91308.jpg (http://fileserver1.jpghosting.com/images/Noname_2892ff0345800a7adbe1b81cfbc91308.jpg)

In Haali installation, try the following settings.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Rename the AVI to MOV or HDMOV

What happens then ?

Procoder does NOT support HDMOV. Does yours?

I tried making it a MOV file. Procoder tells me:
QT Reader: Could not load the file because Quicktime 6.4 does not support the file format.

I don't even have Quicktime. I use Quicktime Alternative. Is there something I should have downloaded?

Btw...i used those same instructions for the Haali Installation.

[eb]

cars-tlr_1_h1080p+.mov as 1920x800 Xvid with mp3 /70MB/ made with GraphEdith with 1 step as presented before

sample (ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/vmu.avi)

Use mplayer to playback.

ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/cars.JPG

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Unfortunately, that doesn't help.

I'm making HD DVD's out of these.

I've went ahead and just re-encoded with TMPGenc. They look absolutely great.

[Robot]

01-DeMUX (YAMB/MP4Box) OK
02-Transcode 5.1 AAC Audio to 6 ch WAV using NERO OK
03-Encode Audio to 5.1 AC3 using BeLight OK
04-Video Encoding with TMPGEnc 2.54 (Simple AVS Script) OK
05-Mux Audio & Video Using TMPGEnc muxing util
06-Author HD DVD on DVD Medium Using Ulead Movie Factory 5 OK



How is this step done?

"Transcode 5.1 AAC Audio to 6 ch WAV using NERO "

Where in Nero can you do this?

Thanks

[HKT3020_1]

A beginners guide could be useful.:D
Also has anyone tried encoding with CCE Basic or SP?

[DigitalfreakNYC]

I've had ZERO problems with the audio. I'm still having problems with the video.

It's never smooth...even if i use Procoder for the few that it works with. The rest i'm using TMPGenc and there are usually some jitters here and there. I'm not sure what the problem is because I don't see those jitters on the original .mov file.

[Golgot13]

I made some HD DVD in MPEG2 or H264 from MOV or DVB-T/DVB-S files.
I had a problem with some directshow filter to decode H264,

but now I use CoreAVC to decode h264 (from DVB-T/DVB-S) or mov file.
For mov file, I need to make MP4 or MPG file (demux and remux with YAMB
or Xmuxer).

After I open files on TMPGEnc to make MPEG2 HD (MP@HL)
or I open files with Ateme Encoder to make H264 compliant
with HDDVD (HP or MP @ Level 4.0 or 4.1 in HD resolution,
it is possible to use MP@L3 with SD resolution compliant
with HD DVD).


Golgot13
Membership of HD DVD

[DigitalfreakNYC]

After I open files on TMPGEnc to make MPEG2 HD (MP@HL)
or I open files with Ateme Encoder to make H264 compliant
with HDDVD (HP or MP @ Level 4.0 or 4.1 in HD resolution,
it is possible to use MP@L3 with SD resolution compliant
with HD DVD).


What were your exact settings for TMPGenc?

[Pookie]

DigitalFreakNYC, I think you have a corrupted Codec or Driver somewhere. I can repeat the conversion on many different machines at work. Is there another machine where you can try this ?

BTW, this new software product claims to be able to convert Quicktime to other formats. Give it a go - 30 day eval.

http://www.thedeemon.com/VideoEnhancer/


If it works, save the target with Lagarith or HuffyUV codecs and you might be set.

If THAT doesn't work, you almost certainly have a corrupted file somewhere - perhaps in DirectX - You can run "Filemon" from http://www.sysinternals.com to look for the offending file. Or better yet - get that new O/S smell :D

[Robot]

How are you guys converting the AAC files to AC3? Everything I try fails. :confused:

[DigitalfreakNYC]

How are you guys converting the AAC files to AC3? Everything I try fails. :confused:
There's no direct way (that I know) of doing it. You have to extract the AAC, change it to a wav, break it into 6 wav files, put it back together...and then change it into an AC3.

[Robot]

In the first post MAXIMUS stated that he converted an AAC file to 6-channel wav using NERO. I tried to do this, but Nero Waveeditor just gives me an error. :confused:

[DigitalfreakNYC]

DONE!

Used Tmpgenc to re-encode the video and got it to work with no problems!

[Golgot13]

DONE!

Used Tmpgenc to re-encode the video and got it to work with no problems!

Nice but I think it's not the best encoder for MPEG2
(MF5 can recode with same quality with a small bitrate
than TMPGEnc).

The best in HD DVD is H264 video (better than VC1)
but there is not sofware for end user (public) yet.



Golgot13

[Pookie]

Golgot13 - So you're saying "take an h264 clip and encode it as h264" ?

[Golgot13]

Yes, because all H264 video are not automaticly compliant
with HD DVD (resolution size :1920/1440 x1080 not 1920/1440
x1088 like all broadcast TV in Europe :( ).
I wait a resolution patch's software (like MPEG2 HD patch 1088->1080)
for H264.


Golgot13

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Nice but I think it's not the best encoder for MPEG2
(MF5 can recode with same quality with a small bitrate
than TMPGEnc).

The best in HD DVD is H264 video (better than VC1)
but there is not sofware for end user (public) yet.

Golgot13

You can't burn H264 to HD DVD yet.

And I'm still having issues with this. It's not burning properly. These trailers are DEFINITELY 24fps and even using DGpulldown, the resulting disc is being hated by my Toshiba. Whenever I fast forward or skip chapters, it just freezes and says "error." :(

[Golgot13]

What software do you use?
No problems with H264 video in HD DVD, you can buy HD DVD
with H264 video in Japan (HD video in 1920x1080 at 30i).

If you use DVDSP4, it is normally becasue the software is not compliant
with HD DVD (Macintosh don't want to upgrade it, because it support
BluRay format ....).

And be careful, there is lot of problem with x264 (problem with
NAL_Header). There are some mistakes on header....

You can PM me to have more information to make H264 compliant
file for HD DVD use and more (I test now BluRay with BluPrint software).

I make HD DVD in 30fps (interlaced) and 24fps (progressive) with
Dolby Digital track 2.0 or 5.1.
Sometimes my HD-XA1 say that the audio track is Dolby Digital Plus,
I think it is a problem of flag on audio track ( :) ).


Golgot13

[DigitalfreakNYC]

What software do you use?
No problems with H264 video in HD DVD, you can buy HD DVD
with H264 video in Japan (HD video in 1920x1080 at 30i).

If you use DVDSP4, it is normally becasue the software is not compliant
with HD DVD (Macintosh don't want to upgrade it, because it support
BluRay format ....).

And be careful, there is lot of problem with x264 (problem with
NAL_Header). There are some mistakes on header....

You can PM me to have more information to make H264 compliant
file for HD DVD use and more (I test now BluRay with BluPrint software).

I make HD DVD in 30fps (interlaced) and 24fps (progressive) with
Dolby Digital track 2.0 or 5.1.
Sometimes my HD-XA1 say that the audio track is Dolby Digital Plus,
I think it is a problem of flag on audio track ( :) ).


Golgot13

Just messaged you! :) thanks!

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Golgot13...still haven't heard back from you.

[Golgot13]

No problem with H264 (compliant HD DVD) in HD DVD structure on DVDR.

HD XA1 read it (perfectly), but you must have H264 video compliant
with HD DVD specification. And the HD DVD authoring software that I use
need NAL Header and other information on H264 video stream (x264 forget it
or make mistakes...).



Golgot13

[Taxidermista]

No problem with H264 (compliant HD DVD) in HD DVD structure on DVDR.

HD XA1 read it (perfectly), but you must have H264 video compliant
with HD DVD specification. And the HD DVD authoring software that I use
need NAL Header and other information on H264 video stream (x264 forget it
or make mistakes...).
So is this only a problem with metadata? No problems with the video itself?

[DigitalfreakNYC]

So no update on this thread, eh? Still would love to know how to get AVC titles x264 titles onto DVD-R for HD!

[Golgot13]

So no update on this thread, eh? Still would love to know how to get AVC titles x264 titles onto DVD-R for HD!

Now people know. There is some companies which have this software
"Header Patcher" for H264.
I see a video from x264 codec working fine in HD XA1
(accept by a simple muxer in standard content for HD DVD).
I will test if this H264 is real compliant after (there is one software
from DCA which make this job nicely, but on HD DVD project... )


Golgot13

[DigitalfreakNYC]

What is the name of this header patcher? Does it just "fool" the program into thinking it's mpeg2?

can you tell me all the programs used? can this be used with Ulead?

[Golgot13]

What is the name of this header patcher? Does it just "fool" the program into thinking it's mpeg2?

It's a "home made" software make to test H264 encoder (software and hardware)
by companies which test the compatibilities with hardware chipset decoder.
I see yesterday this soft in french company...


can you tell me all the programs used? can this be used with Ulead?

I can say nothing about this (NDA from different companies, see my others post).

I can say that we will say soon HD DVD with H264 video codec...


Golgot13

[Shrubs]

There's no direct way (that I know) of doing it. You have to extract the AAC, change it to a wav, break it into 6 wav files, put it back together...and then change it into an AC3.

If you have a Mac, get Compressor. Import your 5.1 quicktime movie, and for output choose Dolby (auto). Be sure to change the gain from -27 to -31 (this will keep the original volume) and turn off the dynamic compression (I believe the default says something like "Default film").

This will do it in one step.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

If you have a Mac, get Compressor. Import your 5.1 quicktime movie, and for output choose Dolby (auto). Be sure to change the gain from -27 to -31 (this will keep the original volume) and turn off the dynamic compression (I believe the default says something like "Default film").

This will do it in one step.

I do not.

The good news is that there is now support for MAC's to use AVC. I'm hoping for it soon on PC.