Possible solution for Video stuttering

[rebuilderfan12345]

On the following movies I recieve video stuttering on a few or most standalone players: Stewie Grifin's Untold Story, Ghost in the shell standalone Complex, South Park S6D2, Drawn Together S1D1, etc.

I tried multiple things such as not using filters(undot,deen) or rb-opt, switching bitrate range from 0-9800, different cce versions, etc. and each time the stutter was in the same place.

I was ONLY able to get rid of the stutter by using the following:
Dvd-rebuilder pro 1.04
cinema craft v2.67.00.23
The only difference is that you must use variable bitrate and you have to limit the passes=2. So what should happen with this cce is that it will do 1 pass for the vaf and then another for the m2v. If you do the exact same settings and everything but instead increase the passes to 4 then the backup with still contain video stuttering. With the 2-pass method you can still use rebuilder optimized with filters and shouldn't have a problem.

Keep in mind that the stutter doesn't always effect most players. I have a panasonic F-67A and it stutters a lot, but sometimes the same movie will play fine on a lite-on. Also note that all the movies that I have video stutter with are all interlaced sources.

I thought that I posted this before but I guess I didn't. If anyone can display similiar results please post here:)

[therat]

I have never backed up those movies you mentioned but I do have a question.

Are you saying that even using the latest version of dvd-rb pro and cinema craft v2.67.00.23 and passes = 2 that the movies still stutter?

BTW for a lot of people using CCE, 2 passes is all that the basic version allows.

[Boulder]

Also note that all the movies that I have video stutter with are all interlaced sources.

Could you upload a small sample clip of the original VOB and the backup which stutters? Both clips with the same frames, of course.

Maybe there's something weird going on with the field order. BTW, you should never use UnDot().Deen() alone when you know that your source is really interlaced.

You should also try using HC to check whether it really is an encoder problem as I don't believe that a number of VBR passes can cause any issues unless the encoder is seriously broken.

[rebuilderfan12345]

Theret: Yes, encoding with 2-passes will eliminate any VIDEO stuttering on the finished copy (I only get audio stutters on bad media burns). I have only used cinema craft SP, so I am not sure if basic will work or not. Also I only have dvd-rb PRO 1.04 so I'm unclear if it will work on the newer one.

To Boulder: why is it bad to use undot,deen on interlaced sources; I started using them to get better results on animation. Anyways I will try to upload those vobs you wanted.

[blueboyec]

Also I only have dvd-rb PRO 1.04 so I'm unclear if it will work on the newer one.


They are you using an old version? Use the new version and see what happens.

[Boulder]

To Boulder: why is it bad to use undot,deen on interlaced sources; I started using them to get better results on animation. Anyways I will try to upload those vobs you wanted.
You shouldn't use them alone, you need to either use a smart bob (recommended) or separate the fields and filter the even and odd fields separately.

[rebuilderfan12345]

update: upgraded to dvd-rb pro 1.07.1 and with included decoder worked fine with no stuttering on any player. funny how multiple passes would cause video stutter though.

[therat]

why not update to the latet version? updates are free and it works great here.

cheers

[blacksol]

why not update to the latet version?

The answer to that question is obvious... :mad:

[MacAddict]

It is?

[rahzel]

i don't know if im experiencing the same problem as the OP is, but i'm using DVD-RB Pro 1.09.3 with CCE SP 2.70.2.9 and i've done 3 movies without problems; all the movies playback fine on all my dvd players, and my computer.

however, i just tried doing King Kong, and the video seems to stutter once in a while, but only on my Panasonic DVD player. it doesn't stutter on either of my LG DVD players (one is an older model, the other one is a fairly new, higher end model), or my computer. i find it kind of ironic that both the OP and i only have playback problems on our panasonic players... coincidence? i should also note that my panasonic player is also a fairly older model, but its just as old as my older LG player.

i DID do something different with this movie though. for my previous projects, i used the AUTOQ2 matrix for everything (main movie, low bitrate, very low bitrate etc), but with King Kong, i used AUTOQ2 for everything, except the main movie (where i used the encoder default).

if you use different matrices, does this possibly cause stuttering with some DVD players?

im currently trying to do King Kong again, except with the same matrix used for every setting.

btw, i used the default settings (vbr bias 25, qp 16) but with 3 passes, everything else default, except i used the xvid simple mmx iDCT and im using whatever version of avisynth that dvd-rb installed (i let dvd-rb install whatever version to avoid problems).

[blueboyec]

Crack version


The answer to that question is obvious... :mad:

[rahzel]

ok i tried using the same matrix throughout the film, and it still stutters, but only on my Panasonic player. i've also tried using HC.

anyone else try to do King Kong R1 with DVD-RB?

[jikchung]

I did King Kong R1, Movie Only mode DVD-RB 1.09.3/CCE 2.50.
No playback issues at all.

[jdobbs]

@rahzel

i DID do something different with this movie though. for my previous projects, i used the AUTOQ2 matrix ...

You haven't by chance enabled CCE's Adaptive QMat have you? From the CCE Manual:

However, some DVD player does not support such MPEG streams
as encoded with adaptive quantization matrix...

From the DVD Rebuilder release notes:

- Added a new "hidden" setting in the [Options] area of
REBUILDER.INI for enabling CCE's adaptive quantizer
matrices feature: "CCEAQM=1" -- if you decide to use
this feature, be very careful. The reason it is
"hidden" is because, according to the CCE notes, it
might be incompatible with some DVD players.

Also, I'm not familiar with the AUTOQ2 matrix. Are you sure it is compliant?

[rahzel]

autoq2 is aka AVAMAT7, which is one of the matrices included wit HC Encoder. i've heard a few people use this before, and again, ive used this matrix with 3 other movies without problems, just king kong. i myself really like this matrix, as it removes noise and blocking, but keeps detail.

maybe ill try a different matrix, and see how it goes.

btw, no i have not enabled AQM

[Boulder]

What media did you use?

[rahzel]

its not my media for sure, but i used Maxell professional grade DVD-R's, and i also tested a couple times with my verbatim DVD+RW and the stuttering occured in the same spots. i consider myself to be fairly knowledgeable when it comes to optical media/drives, so its definitely not my media.

i find it strange that its only my panasonic player. its usually not picky with anything. again, i tested it on my samsung and 2 LG dvd players, and it doesnt seem to stutter at all.

edit: i just tried it in my little portable cheapo citizen dvd player, and it was fine, too.

if using a compatible matrix doesnt work, oh well... its just 1 of my dvd players.

[Boulder]

Some known brand standalones can be picky at times. Personally I'll never buy a Pioneer again;)

[rahzel]

i examined the same spots on my older LG and samsung player again, and there is a slight split second pause, but it doesnt stutter like my panasonic player. my newer LG player and cheapo citizen portable player don't have any playback problems, however.

im not suprised my newer LG player doenst have problems, as its probably my best dvd player, but i am suprised my cheapo citizen portable player doesnt have problems either.

panasonic makes one of the best dvd players IMO. i've also heard good things about pioneer.

[Boulder]

My Pioneer plays even garbage quality media well but it's very picky when it comes to bitrates and such. I have to keep the max video bitrate at around 8000kbps to avoid playback problems on very high action scenes even with one 448kbps audio track and one subtitle track.

[rebuilderfan12345]

I had no problems with king kong.

Update: upgraded to dvd-rb 1.09.3. All Interlace problem dvds work fine now, no video stuttering. Drawn Together, South Park S6 can be done with passes=5 and Undot(),Deen() filters, I also use rb-opt to switch bitrate range 300-9800. CCE SP 2.70.02.04.

Now have a problem with KARAS (NTSC) animation movie. The source is progressive this time, whers as all previous problem dvds were interlaced sources. With passes=5 and filters had video stuttering. Had to use no compression mode to get it to work right.

I know this is a cce problem, but there has to be an easy work around that will allow >2 passes without playback problems.

I am trying it with passes=2, no filters, no matrices, unaltered with rb-opt to see if it works properly on the panasonic.

[rebuilderfan12345]

with 2-passes it works fine, no video stuttering. 2.7 cce

[James35]

More than 2 passes is a waste of time , You will not notice much improvement if any at all .

[Boulder]

Unless you use the adaptive quant matrix option. Quite often in that case, two passes don't hit the target bitrate but undersizes - this happens especially when you've got lots of bits to spare. The third pass hits the target much better.

[rebuilderfan12345]

On my cce settings frame rate is set to 29.97. Is it supposed to be set to 23.976, and if so could that be what is causing this video stuttering when passes>2?

[rahzel]

i found out what my problem was (i think).

what i do, is rip with CloneDVD2, but in DVD9 mode, so i use it as a ripper, and keep the main menu and movie only, while removing audio tracks i dont want. then i shrink the menu with MenuShrink, and then id use Vobblanker to cut the intro and end credits out (this is the problem).

because the introduction (the introduction credits etc) went half way through the 1st cell, i set the start point half-way through the cell, which i guess caused problems with some of my DVD players.

i re-did Batman Begins, but i didnt cut anything out, and it plays fine.

[Boulder]

Let's just say that it's really nice of you to tell us now that you were actually preprocessing the disc before encoding..

[rahzel]

Let's just say that it's really nice of you to tell us now that you were actually preprocessing the disc before encoding..
hehe, i guess thats important info.

i was told that cutting half-way through a cell shouldnt be a problem, but i guess it is.

just incase you thought, i was not the original poster. i listed my problem, as it was relevant to the thread.

[jdobbs]

I know I certainly would like to have known that. Every detail is important -- especially when it involves preprocessing. Historically in most cases where preprocessing was involved it has also been determined to have been the cause.

[rahzel]

i've done this with all my projects, though, and i find it wierd that its only with some movies, which is why im not 100% sure this is the problem, although im pretty sure it is.

[laserfan]

i...rip with CloneDVD2...keep the main menu and movie only, while removing audio tracks...shrink the menu with MenuShrink, and then id use Vobblanker to cut the intro and end credits out...Boulder and jdobbs are being really nice to you--I would guess the chances of your VTS being compliant after all this manipulation are either Slim, or None! :scared:

[rahzel]

Boulder and jdobbs are being really nice to you--I would guess the chances of your VTS being compliant after all this manipulation are either Slim, or None! :scared:
there should be, and there is no problem with all this manipulation, other than what i did in Vobblanker.

[jdobbs]

I would agree there "should be" no problem -- but from my experience there often is.