big piracy story

[evilhomer]

pretty interesting

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2001/December/01_crm_643.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/12/technology/12PIRA.html
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100571,00.html?chkpt=zdnnp1tp02

[mrbass]

not really big I'd say...stuff like this happens all the time. Those who profit will approriately get harsh sentences and those who do it for fun will still probably get probation. I'd say they're going after the wrong people. Go after the street vendors and others who PROFIT. That is what I consider a crime. I can't wait till society is like Starship Troopers and we get to take showers with chicks. :cool:
btw for the nytimes article try u: cyperphunk p: cyperphunk

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

it's big... one of the major pre groups has left the scene, and so have all the members, many of which were contributors to the divx *encoding* community, which has nothing to do with piracy "per se".

i'm glad that the federal police of my country at least, have their priorities in order and were too busy working on various arab terrorists' cases to take part in this. :|

[b0b0b0b]

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011211/tc/software_piracy_1.html

In the yahoo AP reprint they say:


one computer held more than 5,000 individual movie titles.


Which sounds like bogus hyperbole. That's, at a minimum, 3.5 terabytes.

The article has this quote:


``This is not a sport,'' Commerce undersecretary Phil Bond said. ``This is a serious crime. These people should do some hard time.''

I wish the FBI would spend more time tracking down REAL criminals who are ACTUALLY hurting others.

[fantasymick]

Check out which groups were affected, among them RHiSO, Razor...:

http://www.cyberworld.ru/scenebusted/

[b0b0b0b]

Oh RHiso is RatzHole

[legman]

Why do you guys even care?

[int 21h]

Don't believe everything you read in those busted txt files. Half of it is useless speculation. As far as I heard, tFRL voluntarily disbanded in response to the growing security concerns, none of their members was arrested, prosecuted, or anything similar.

[b0b0b0b]

Originally posted by legman
Why do you guys even care?



Why do you care that we care?

[sorrydaijin]

Originally posted by b0b0b0b


Why do you care that we care?

Why do you care that he cares about us caring?

:P

I think the real issue here is the legroom that the authorities now have due to the recent anti-crime/terror feeling that pervades the public.

[b0b0b0b]

Originally posted by sorrydaijin

I think the real issue here is the legroom that the authorities now have due to the recent anti-crime/terror feeling that pervades the public.

Note that this has been in the works for at least a year.

[legman]

Originally posted by int 21h
Don't believe everything you read in those busted txt files. Half of it is useless speculation. As far as I heard, tFRL voluntarily disbanded in response to the growing security concerns, none of their members was arrested, prosecuted, or anything similar.

Of course they had been infected with trojans for a year and people (like above) did nothing for security until people started going to jail.

I can tell you that no one gives a ratz about thefrail. The real groups, like tfl were effected greatly. But hey, how would you know, right?

"I think if you had the right offer, and the right people, you could take probably just about the entire ripping team"

"what we need to do is just start dumping rats off the ship"

Me: "sometimes you have to make decisions like leaving it behind We need a leader that can do that"

[homewerk] shrugs

Talked the talk, but could not walk the walk.

[legman]

Don't get me wrong guys, I DO care.

Most of you ar elike people running to the scene of an accident to gloat.

This is NOT the place to discuss this. If you are really in the scene, then you already know the details.

[wmansir]

Since this thread hasn't been locked I don't think it's an inappropriate topic for discussion. Also, I don't think gloat is the right word. I'm sure very few people here are happy to see this happen, and none of the comments in this thread are of that tone. Personally, I'm just curious.

If anyone finds a good article (more than an glorified FBI press release, not that I don't appreciate those already posted) could you please post a link, thanks.


@b0b0b0b:

5000 divx movies sounds very inflated, just like those $500 million 'street value' pot/coke busts the DEA brags about.

Regarding the second quote about 'hard time'. This is obviously in relation to the priated software, but because of the universities (and perhaps their servers/networks) involved it reminded me of this (http://www.tacube.com/pages/mcowen.html) case, regarding misuse of university computer resources. In this case, in addition to hard time, the cash penalty could be "a bill in the neighborhood of $415,000, which is what Georgia calculates is the cost of network bandwidth used by the distributed computing client at 59 cents a second." I'm sure these groups used alot more bandwith than an RC5 client.

[legman]

You know what buddy, I think you are wrong. It's all truth and lies mixed together. Like I said," If you are in the scene, you already know what is going on." I can see you are not and therefore have no idea why you are barking up the the wrong tree. Hey, respond how you want. Just keep in mind you will never get scene status or scene respect from anyone at this forum. Basically, that means you can't be trusted. You wanted it. You got it.

[int 21h]

Originally posted by legman

Of course they had been infected with trojans for a year and people (like above) did nothing for security until people started going to jail.

I can tell you that no one gives a ratz about thefrail. The real groups, like tfl were effected greatly. But hey, how would you know, right?


They knew for sometime that they were being watched, but you can't just scuttle ship and slice all lines if you ever intend to figure out who the watcher is.

Its nice that no one cares about one DivX group, it would be nicer if that's all it were. Groups are so intertwined with one another one group can't make a decision without affecting another. Rumours abound of underlying cooperation in the prerelease scene of groups actually cordinating who does what and when, not to mention the blatant ties of overlapping members in several groups and co-ops of groups that release for two different scenes.

In any event, it isn't just big groups that are being busted this time. A small writeup at:
http://www.the-cad.com/article.php?sid=1241&mode=&order=0
details the raid that took place on a guy named HM2, who in terms of things was a very small player in the SVCD scene.

I believe its quite appropriately time for some legman-esque paranoia to spread to everyone, finally.

[b0b0b0b]

I think people are interested in discussing it here because they are clearly not in the "scene" but are just plain curious. Nobody's gloating, that's for sure. doom9's forum is the only one that I frequent, so naturally when I saw someone mention this story, this forum is where I responded.

And anyway, scene shmene, I say. This affects everyone.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by legman
You know what buddy, I think you are wrong. It's all truth and lies mixed together. Like I said," If you are in the scene, you already know what is going on." I can see you are not and therefore have no idea why you are barking up the the wrong tree. Hey, respond how you want. Just keep in mind you will never get scene status or scene respect from anyone at this forum. Basically, that means you can't be trusted. You wanted it. You got it.

I think you dont understand. I don't give a rat's ass about 'getting scene status' or 'scene respect'. I don't distribute my divx encodes online, and very rarely download one. And the ones I have downloaded are mostly crap.

So you can assume I'm a G-man for all I care. I'm just asking for people to post some more detailed articles. (int 21h, your's sounded good, but its 404) I guess I could always just go down to the records dept, since I work for the FBI and all, but I'm just lazy.

@everyone:
While looking around for a story I came across this (http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/12/10/scotus.probation.searches.ap/index.html) story, where the supreme court overturned two lower court rulings regarding a raid of a person on probation without a warrent. The court now finds that the police can raid the suspects home for any reason they want. Most idiotic quote:

"The government should not have to choose between rehabilitating a former criminal now on probation and trying to ferret out new criminal activity, Rehnquist wrote."

How about the police have to get enough evidence for a warrent with unrelated new charges? Since prior convictions can be weighed in a warrent request, it should be too hard. I can see how police operations will run now, if they don't have a clue who did a crime they just raid everyone on probation and parole, and I'm sure they will find something.

I hate police invasiveness, they will use any pretext to conduct a search. Everyone knows if your car has a tail light out, you have just surrendered you fourth amendment rights. A tail light blew on my car a few months ago, I was pulled over, body searched (just pockets) and my car was searched. I guess having a tail light out must be a signal that I'm a drug mule. Nothing was found, because there was nothing to find.

My brother's apartment got raided last year on a burglary charge. Of course he didn't do it, a neighbor in his complex got robbed (mostly drugs, the person had cancer or something and was taking major painkillers (morphine based)). The evidence for the warrent was, well, there was none. No wittnesses, no fingerprints, no prior offences (other than traffic related), just the victims guess that it could have been him, he was known to do drugs (no arrests tho, and never heroine/morphine, mostly pot) and the fact that he lived in the same building. The warrent wasn't even signed by a judge, but a justice of the peace.

Of course, since he didn't do it the only charges were 1. drug paraphnalia (a bong) and 2. some charge for possesing drugs not prescribed to him. The second charge was dropped when he produced the prescription. So, in the end, the police raided his apartment (did I mention they had shotguns pointed at him and his wife, did the whole kick in the door, get on the ground, handcuff behind the back thing) for a single bong, which for some reason they charged his wife with, perhaps to pressure her into 'co-operating'.

If I wasn't one of them I wouldn't like cops too much. Perhaps since I'm a Fed I can still have a attitude towards local cops?

Gotta go. Time to become a 13 year-old girl in #horny-lolitas, seems like all I do is work.

Cindy (with a little heart dotting the i) XOXOXO

[mrbass]

Why does everyone who thinks their all that have such an ego trip. The isonews thread about this is hilarious. Seems like if you don't smoke a bong your not considered in the scene. My thinking is this: Everyone wants a family...whether it being their real family, friends at school, street gang, chuck cheez club, warez cell (hehe), or whatever. I think if you are a real hacker then you would have met jericho who runs attrition.org like I have (I said this to show an inflated ego..like who gives a flying crap). Seriously though, who go homes at night and trembles in their sleep about who's in or who's out of a terrorist cell. Who makes me or you decide whether one is elite enough or not. My point: I'll take a real family anyday over this other fantansy land bullcrap.

btw totally offtopic: legman, did you see slashdot "Multi-Platform Video Codec Seeks New Home" that might be something worth look at.

[legman]

wmansir:
.... NM

mrbass:

Thanks for the info. I will let you know if anything becomes of it.

[diji1]

Hi wmansir,

That article is back-up now when i checked.
Just letting u know.

Everyone but wmansir calm down :)

Interesting posts tho i must say. Perhaps
it is time to become more paranoid ?? Under
new "anti-terrorism" laws the us has the right
basically to detain anybody... anywhere... and
not tell a soul about it :(

Bye (looking over my shoulder).

[mpucoder]

Only non-citizens

[legman]

mpucoder,
I have some interesting stuff you may want to look at. MSG me with contact info. Thanks.

PS. It has nothing to do with topic.

[mpucoder]

@Legman - I can always be reached by PM or by email at "mpucoder at aol dot com"