MP4 AVC to DVD

[mcquicker]

I recently downloaded an mp4 avc movie with very good quality. I would now like to copy the movie to DVD so I can watch it from the DVD machine, as opposed to the PC.

I have tried every which way but I cannot get Nero to accept it and burn it as a DVD format.

I even got Quicktime Pro in order to export the film but it did without sound.

Can anyone suggest what can be done?

Thanks in advance...

Peter B.

[Adub]

your are in violation of rule #6
6) No warez, cracks, serials or illegally obtained copyrighted content! Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated.
Please do not do this again.
Moderator, lock this thread please.

[mod]

I recently downloaded an mp4 avc movie with very good quality.
I think you must be more clear on this point.. :readrule:

[Oline 61]

I recently downloaded a legal mp4 avc movie with very good quality.
^Use that next time.

[Revgen]

Wait a minute, how do you guys know if the movie he downloaded was pirated or not? There are movie trailers available for download from many websites that are available for free. These witch hunts need to stop.

[foxyshadis]

This is a pretty bad place to make a stand, a single-poster mentions downloading a movie (not a trailer or music video), of which there are very few legit ones available in .mp4 online. Plus he wants to put it on DVD, which makes this the wrong forum anyway. (Only archive.org to my knowledge, which offers them as mpeg-2 downloads for direct dvd burning anyway.)

It just means people need to at least glance over the rules (and really, rule 6 needs to be highlighted on the registration page, since it's constantly broken) before posting, and highlight their circumstances if they're legal.

[Lil' Jer]

Wait a minute, how do you guys know if the movie he downloaded was pirated or not? There are movie trailers available for download from many websites that are available for free.

First of all he stated movie not movie trailer. Secondly, name a single site on the internet where you can legally download full movies in h264.

These witch hunts need to stop.

What witch hunt? I'm sorry you don't like that here you can't discuss illegally obtained content, but that's the rules.

[Oline 61]

Can we assume that he is inoccent until proven guilty?
If that is the case, then I ask you to prove that he is guilty Lil' Jer.

[siddharthagandhi]

In most cases the thread is locked immediately without determination of guilt. So you gotta treat him like you treat the rest.

[ChronoCross]

Can we assume that he is inoccent until proven guilty?
If that is the case, then I ask you to prove that he is guilty Lil' Jer.

yeah cause lord knows someone who is breaking the law will post the file online or even tellt he truth. He said it was a h264 movie, not encoded by him. I can name NO sites that offer full movies for download. It's not a witchhunt. This is not court. There can be no reasonable doubt in this case. To do so would be ignorant and put the forum and it's members in trouble

[siddharthagandhi]

Google Videos allows you to download .avi videos. And there are some documentaries and full length movies there. Also, there are plenty of other private and smaller video sites with full length movies (but the movies are meant to be free they arent like a theater movie or anything)

[ShAQ]

@ Lil' Jer & ChronoCross


First of all he stated movie not movie trailer. Secondly, name a single site on the internet where you can legally download full movies in h264.


Example:
http://www.legaltorrents.com/
... or to be special ...
Go_Open - Eps. 1 to 6 [MP4] 06/25/05 634 MB
Go_Open - Eps. 7 to 13 [MP4] 06/25/05 739 MB
(see also http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/ ...)

And there is MUCH (!) more. Try using Google search for creative commons movies (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/) in combination with mp4!

[Not everybody is a copyright breaker!]

My 2 cents.

[siddharthagandhi]

Yes, there are plenty of legal movies available on the internet. However, there is a more likely chance its a torrent/p2p illegal one.

[ShAQ]

Yes, there are plenty of legal movies available on the internet. However, there is a more likely chance its a torrent/p2p illegal one.

I just read the "name a single site" and feld like to write something.
But sure ...
Change of Download = Illegal > Change of Download = legal

[Oline 61]

yeah cause lord knows someone who is breaking the law will post the file online or even tellt he truth. He said it was a h264 movie, not encoded by him. I can name NO sites that offer full movies for download.
Well, it would be perfectly legal for him to download a high quality h264 movie if he owned the liscense to it, so there's one way it could be legal right there.
It's not a witchhunt. This is not court. There can be no reasonable doubt in this case. To do so would be ignorant and put the forum and it's members in trouble
So because someone says they downloaded a movie (the legality of which cannot be determined from the statement), the forum and it's members could get in trouble. The last time I checked there was nothing illegal about discussing video transcoding. Whether this forum is court or not, to get the forum or it's members in trouble there must be some evidence against them. There is none in this case.

[layer3maniac]

I downloaded one of my all time favorite movies - George Romero's "Night Of The Living Dead", from archive.org the other day, in MPEG2 format, and promptly encoded it in mp4 avc. How do you know the OP didn't download it from me?

Bottom line is, you don't!

It seems to me that there are multiple violations of Rule #4 in this thread...

4) Be nice to each other and respect the moderator. Profanity and insults will not be tolerated.

[bugmenotwillyou]

http://forum.doom9.org/announcement.php?f=6

2. No help will be provided in regards to downloaded files. We won't walk the extra mile to clarify the legality of your files. We believe that this is unproductive and the members shouldn't put Doom9’s Forum in this position. Yes, we know that there are plenty of perfectly legal downloadable movies available.....and there are also plenty of illegal, copyrighted ones. To keep us from having to decide which is which, we request that you not mention downloaded movies. Never. Also, don't mention any bootleg DVDs that you got from E-Bay or an Asian DVD/VCD Retailer, or anywhere else.

End of story.

[Mug Funky]

We won't walk the extra mile to clarify the legality of your files

i agree with this. but herein lies the dilemma:

many well meaning posters are in fact walking several extra miles just to prove something's dodgy. i believe this to also be against the spirit of that rule, though i'm not in a position to say that with authority.

recently a lot of time has been wasted simply to prove that someone's got an avi that they didn't make. well big deal! it is not this forum's duty to help pirates, l33t haxx0rs or p2p monkeys, but it is also not our duty to provide no help whatsoever on certain kinds of files in certain situations, IMHO.

now i don't often ask for help here, and when i do it doesn't pertain to downloaded files. but i do find myself in situations all the time where i could post with a question. quite often the criteria for "close thread, humiliate OP" is simply "file was not made by OP", which i think is quite presumptuous, and ultimately makes this forum far less helpful, which hurts the community as much as yet another locked thread.

what if i want to transfer an mp4 to a DVD? what if i didn't make that mp4? what if one of my (mac using) colleagues here made it and i need to whack it on a DVD for a PR person, a subtitler, a director, or any person in one of the millions of non-multimedia related occupations there are? would i get help? would the thread get locked? it's questions like this that prevent me from posting on such things, and now that i've got it figured myself, often prevent me from helping anyone in the same situation.

now giving people the benefit of the doubt is often naive, but it's arrogant to accuse on a whim because someone says "i have a file...". i guess there's a line to be walked between arrogance and naivety.

[edit]

btw, i notice that not one post in this thread so far has been by a moderator... i believe the policy on dodgy files is to report the post in question to a mod.

[Audionut]

btw, i notice that not one post in this thread so far has been by a moderator

Correct. And the mods do a fine enough job. There is no need for others to increase the post count.

[layer3maniac]

http://forum.doom9.org/announcement.php?f=6
End of story. Unlike Rule #4, which has been violated multiple times on this thread, this comes from an announcement, and not the official forum rules.

Everyone agrees to read and abide by the forum rules, this includes you (look at the top of this page). End of story.

[siddharthagandhi]

We were being nice. You are too sensitive. This happens a lot, its called a heated debate. A full-scale fight is what the rules are referring to.

And the download violation is considered a bigger offense, and since you openly admited it was an illegal file you downloaded, a mod should lock this thread.

[Oline 61]

And the download violation is considered a bigger offense.
And you, being a moderator on the forum, are certainly qualified to determine which offense is bigger.

[layer3maniac]

We were being nice. You are too sensitive. This happens a lot, its called a heated debate. A full-scale fight is what the rules are referring to.

And the download violation is considered a bigger offense, and since you openly admited it was an illegal file you downloaded, a mod should lock this thread. First, if the "download violation" is considered a bigger offense, then it really should be posted in the forum rules, which is at the top of every page - not hidden away in an announcement in a newbie forum.

Second, do you really think it's "being nice" and not insulting to assume the worst about someone, then slander them by publicly accusing them of it, without any evidence to support your accusation?

Third, speaking of insulting, slanderous false accusations based on errant assumptions, I downloaded "Night Of The Living Dead" LEGALLY, it's public domain.

Copyright-Only Dedication (based on United States law) or Public Domain Certification
The person or persons who have associated work with this document (the "Dedicator" or "Certifier") hereby either (a) certifies that, to the best of his knowledge, the work of authorship identified is in the public domain of the country from which the work is published, or (b) hereby dedicates whatever copyright the dedicators holds in the work of authorship identified below (the "Work") to the public domain. A certifier, moreover, dedicates any copyright interest he may have in the associated work, and for these purposes, is described as a "dedicator" below.

A certifier has taken reasonable steps to verify the copyright status of this work. Certifier recognizes that his good faith efforts may not shield him from liability if in fact the work certified is not in the public domain.

Dedicator makes this dedication for the benefit of the public at large and to the detriment of the Dedicator's heirs and successors. Dedicator intends this dedication to be an overt act of relinquishment in perpetuity of all present and future rights under copyright law, whether vested or contingent, in the Work. Dedicator understands that such relinquishment of all rights includes the relinquishment of all rights to enforce (by lawsuit or otherwise) those copyrights in the Work.

Dedicator recognizes that, once placed in the public domain, the Work may be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used, modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited by anyone for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and in any way, including by methods that have not yet been invented or conceived.

[siddharthagandhi]

"And the download violation is considered a bigger offense."

No I'm not a mod. But a mod said that in another thread. (he didnt specifically say that downloading was bigger than flaming but he said downloading one of the more important rules).

And you just violated the other rule by flaming at me like that.

If its public domain then do whatever you want.

[layer3maniac]

I apologize for flaming you.

[Oline 61]

And you, being a moderator on the forum, are certainly qualified to determine which offense is bigger.
And you just violated the other rule by flaming at me like that.
We were being nice. You are too sensitive. This happens a lot, its called a heated debate. A full-scale fight is what the rules are referring to.
Double standard anyone?

[siddharthagandhi]

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Oline.

[siddharthagandhi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oline 61
And you, being a moderator on the forum, are certainly qualified to determine which offense is bigger.
Quote:
Originally Posted by siddharthagandhi
And you just violated the other rule by flaming at me like that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by siddharthagandhi
We were being nice. You are too sensitive. This happens a lot, its called a heated debate. A full-scale fight is what the rules are referring to.
Double standard anyone?

Keep on talking. This thread is about MP4 AVC to DVD, not your double standard bs.

[Oline 61]

Okay, that was much more of a flame than my post about being a moderator. Hey, its called heated debate. You just proved the double standard for me. Thanks :).

[MrTroy]

First, if the "download violation" is considered a bigger offense, then it really should be posted in the forum rules, which is at the top of every page - not hidden away in an announcement in a newbie forum.Although I'm as opposed to this "witch hunt for rule 6 violators" as you are, I have to correct you here. The illegal-material rule in fact IS a rule. It's pretty clear:
6) No warez, cracks, serials or illegally obtained copyrighted content!

[Oline 61]

Although I'm as opposed to this "witch hunt for rule 6 violators" as you are, I have to correct you here. The illegal-material rule in fact IS a rule. It's pretty clear:
Download != Illegal.
Now, if rule 6 contained the word "download" I could agree with you.

[setarip_old]

Hi!

If you're looking for the word "download" in this frame of reference, look no further than the "ANNOUNCEMENT" at the top of the "Newbies" page:

http://forum.doom9.org/announcement.php?f=6

And for those who say, "It should be incorporated on the Rules pages" - I agree wholeheartedly ;>}

[Mug Funky]

that's already been posted in this thread, and in fact mention was made about possibly why it hasn't been included in the rules.

it's probably appropriate to leave it in the newbies forum, because that's where posters are more likely to ask about (illegal) downloaded files.

however, as has been pointed out in this thread also, there is bucketloads of legal downloadable content out there. and the way the internet is going, that amount is set to increase much much faster than the volume of illegal content...

to me, that means the number of "zomg download locked thread" posts are only going to increase and further waste everyone's time. perhaps this part of the rules needs to be re-evaluated, rather than followed blindly?

[setarip_old]

@Mug Funkythat's already been posted in this threadI now see that posting way back on Page 1 of this thread.

My posting was in response to post #31 by "Oline 61", who seemed to be asking anew for a reference to "downloads" in the rules.

As has been previously discussed in the "General" sub-forum here, this "ANNOUNCEMENT", although not on the page of "Rules" (as I believe it shgould be, if it's going to be used to justify locking threads), carries the same weight as those rules...

[Audionut]

So where's a real mod already to enlighten you all.
Or better yet, Doom9 himself.

[neuron2]

In my case, if I see a post that suggests possible rule 6 violation, I politely inquire about the nature of the video. Then if it's clear that rule 6 material is involved, I look at the post count of the poster. If it is less than 20 I issue a polite warning. If greater than 20 I issue a strike.

It's up to the poster to dispel doubts in his original post.

[ChronoCross]

you notice he never posted again to dispel our doubts? he knew he was caught. why are we still having this discussion?

[layer3maniac]

People have concerns as to whether or not the material the OP was asking for help with was legally downloaded. That's fine, but how were these concerns expressed?

You can have your doubts about the poor guy's actions, meanwhile I have no doubts that several of you have violated rule number #4.

4) Be nice to each other and respect the moderator. Profanity and insults will not be tolerated. If you have a problem with another member turn to the respective moderator and if the moderator can't help you send a private message to Doom9.

Again, it is NOT nice, it IS insulting to assume the worst of someone and publicly accuse them of your suspicions, without any evidence to support these accusations.

And when you had a problem with this poster did you follow rule #4 and "turn to the respective moderator "?

Before you go publicly accusing another member of violating the rules, perhaps you should consider whether or not your own actions are in compliance.

This was this poor guy's first post. Perhaps he didn't ever post again because he was indeed "caught red handed".

Then again, perhaps he WAS innocent, and he didn't ever post again because he didn't want to be associated with people who were too busy insulting him and scrutinizing his post for imaginary rule #6 violations to answer his question.

[neuron2]

...a bunch of arrogant hypocrites... You lecture us on rule 4 and then come out with this?!

[layer3maniac]

The "lecture" wasn't directed toward you. Your post was right on, and that is precisely how these types of concerns should be handled - politely inquire about the nature of the video.

If you think I should edit that last post, I certainly will.

[ChronoCross]

@layer3maniac
Rule 4 was designed to protect users from blatent flaming, racial slurs, fights, and other offensive content.

this:

your are in violation of rule #6
Quote:
6) No warez, cracks, serials or illegally obtained copyrighted content! Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated.
Please do not do this again.
Moderator, lock this thread please.


does not look offenssive to 99% of people. He stated the rule. Asked him not to do it again, and requested a mod to close the thread. It was not a long "OMFGWTFBBQ your an asshole you pirate mofo" kind of thing. It was polite, short, and was a direct statement of the rule.

The only reason this thread has become bloated is because of everyone's discontent on what way to handle things like this. One side of the users are like "maybe he was using legit material" the other half is the "let's not take any chances" side. Both are correct. from now on however perhaps it would be better if no one but a moderator responded to questionable posts. A guilty before proven innocent stance must be taken due to the fact that the RIAA and MPAA are suing everyone including dead grandma's, peoplw who don't own PC's, Children, People who let their friends use their computer. I for one would like for this forum not to get blinked out of existence simply because some people were lying about how they aquired content.

[layer3maniac]

6) No warez, cracks, serials or illegally obtained copyrighted content! Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated.

The OP did not post "warez, cracks, serials, illegally obtained copyrighted content, or links to content of a questionable nature".

This leaves the last part of the rule: "asking for help/helping to process such content". IF the OP was referring to illegally obtained content, then he violated this rule. But there is NO evidence that he DID obtain this content illegally.

The first response wasn't politely asking him to clarify the nature of the obtained material, as the one "real Mod" that has posted on this bloated thread said he would have done, instead it was a blanket declaration of guilt.

I understand adopting a guilty until proven innocent posture in the interest of avoiding the hell-hounds of the DMCA/MPAA/RIAA, but that's no excuse for responding in an insulting, accusatory, disrespectful manner.

from now on however perhaps it would be better if no one but a moderator responded to questionable posts

I agree!

[Doom9]

In the end, it's up to a moderator - and if there's none for the forum in question - to decide what violates a rule and what doesn't. If a member thinks a post contains objectonable content, you should contact the person in charge of the specific forum.. you can gang up on a member all you want, but in the end it can turn out to be very counterproductive by resulting in a whole line of borderline rule violations as seen in this very thread.
There's even a function on this board to inform the mod team of an objectionable post.. if you think it violates a rule, make use of it.
The original post as such does not violate any rules on paper but I believe the followup would soon reveal more even without having to ask questions that serve no other purpose but to discern the origin of the source. For instance in this case, the easiest thing you can do when you start posting is giving a link to the download source - assuming it's freely available. That also dispels any doubts whether there is a rule6 violation or not.

You only need to remember the rules as linked from the top. However, if you post "I have an mp4" and it's illegal content.. then you have already violated the rule.. whether we can prove that violation is another question entirely. It's like the guy asking a cop to fish car keys through a car window... I've personally locked in my keys once and had to rely on the workers in a nearby garage to break into my car once so I know this scenario can and will happen - you wanna be helpful but by the same token you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot by helping.

Here's the official explanation why there are guidelines on downloaded content: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=767944#post767944
I think as a general rule, downloads raise eyebrows but strikes are only handed out when there's more evidence that point to a rule 6 violation. But as a user.. if you think something is suspect.. the first thing to do is refrain from helping because otherwise you might make yourself liable for a rule6 strike.. that also should dissuade any potential infractions.. you ask something dodgy.. nobody will help you.

[Blue_MiSfit]

Gotta love it when the trolls post their avs scripts that directly point to their torrent download directory, referencing an avi file that contains the words "PDTV" "LOL" or "PROPER"...

Some people...:rolleyes: