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Islander1990

19th April 2006, 05:07

Hi I am new to burning DVD's. When I first got my computer, I could burn a full DVD at 4X in about 14 min. Now, it takes 45minutes regardless of the media and 9 times out of 10, it is a bad burn. What would cause this? I am getting frustrated with the whole thing. HELP PLEASE!

setarip_old

19th April 2006, 07:44

Hi!

Would you please be good enough to post the NERO log here for one of your failed burns?

It sounds like your system may now have DMA turned off and has reverted to PIO mode...

ammck55

19th April 2006, 07:46

Welcome to the Forum:

This is a common symptom of your drive's transfer mode being set wrong. You want "DMA" mode. Follow the instructions in this link's destination.
Check and set DMA mode (http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/howto-05.html) (Don't mess with your registry, that's for the UDMA66 mode concerning Intel chipsets-- bottom of that page.)

If this doesn't fix you up, post back with more information/results.

ammck55

Islander1990

20th April 2006, 04:05

How do I find the Nero Log??

setarip_old

20th April 2006, 04:28

Go to "My computer" , click C:/ProgramFiles/Ahead/Nero/NeroHistory.log

or if you're using NERO v.7.xxx:

C:\ProgramFiles\Nero\Nero 7\Core\NeroHistory.log

Islander1990

20th April 2006, 05:02

Hope this is what you asked for.... I tried to change the DMA to on in the device manager but it didn't change. Hope the Log will show something else.

Thanks

====== *** Nero-Burning Rom, History File *** ======
Owner
[Nero Serial Removed]

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/17/2003 12:18:06 AM
Nero version: 6.3.1.17 (Nero Express)
Recorder: <TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B>Version: GA04 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.3.1.17
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483B>Version: 1.00 - HA 0 TA 1 - 6.3.1.17
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483B atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: Off
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD1600JD-22HBB0 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552 E: CDRom0
HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483 F: CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 73400320 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 501MB (513792kB)
Free physical memory: 222MB (227900kB)
Memory in use : 55 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

10.4.2006
UDF/ISO compilation
8:42:19 PM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
DVD-Video files reallocation started

8:42:19 PM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

8:42:19 PM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6065
Iso document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet :FALSE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

8:42:19 PM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
DVD-Video files sorted

8:42:19 PM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running

8:42:19 PM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B running

8:42:19 PM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

8:42:19 PM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

8:42:19 PM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3172
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

8:42:19 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2286127 (508:01.52, 4465MB)

8:42:19 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257
Write in overburning mode: NO

8:42:19 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2137
Recorder: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: MXL RG - 03
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

8:42:19 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 418
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

8:42:19 PM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2286128 (2286128) = #2286128/508:1.53
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286128 blocks [TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B]
--------------------------------------------------------------

8:42:19 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681990144, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2286128 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

8:42:19 PM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Caching of files started

8:42:19 PM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4182
Cache writing successful.

8:42:19 PM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Caching of files completed

8:42:19 PM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)

8:42:19 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

8:42:19 PM #21 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1703
Set remaining time: 7:07,639 (427639ms) -> OK

8:42:20 PM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1876
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

8:42:20 PM #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20394
Set BUFE: Super Link -> ON

8:42:20 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2017
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

8:42:20 PM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8120
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

8:42:31 PM #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1294
20:42:31.656 - TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B\H0 T0 : Queue again later

9:21:47 PM #27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
<TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2286128 (22E230h), lenght 0 blocks

9:21:48 PM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

9:21:48 PM #29 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2253
EndDAO: Last written address was 2286127

9:22:10 PM #30 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1703
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

9:22:10 PM #31 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1703
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

9:22:10 PM #32 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Burn process completed successfully at 8x (11,080 KB/s)

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 8/18/2001 1:07:32 AM
File 'Drivers\atapi(2).sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/4/2004 2:59:44 AM (Adapter driver for rec)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/4/2004 2:59:44 AM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

winny

20th April 2006, 05:53

[QUOTE=Islander1990]
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483B atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: Off
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD1600JD-22HBB0 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
/QUOTE]

The log confirms the other comments, you need to follow the previous advice and turn DMA on for the dvd drives.

setarip_old

20th April 2006, 08:12

You do have to restore your drives to DMA mode. If the previously described method for re-activating DMA hasn't worked for you, do the following (assuming you're running either WinXP or Win2k):

Remove the channel by going into the "Device Manager" and rightclicking on the pertinent channel(s) - and selecting "Uninstall".

Then reboot.

Then again go to the Device Manager and change the setting(s) to "DMA If Available"...

BTW You should remove your serial number form the beginning of your log posting.

Incidentally, the log you posted indicates a successful burn ;>}

Islander1990

21st April 2006, 05:18

I did what you told me to do, and now none of my 3 drives work. In the "Device Status" window in the device manager there is the following message for each drive:

TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B

Windows cannot load the device driver for this hardware because a previous instance of the device driver is still in memory. (Code 38)

HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483B

Windows cannot load the device driver for this hardware because a previous instance of the device driver is still in memory. (Code 38)

and

This message is in the card reader status

Windows cannot determine the settings for this device. Consult the documentation that came with this device and use the Resource tab to set the configuration. (Code 34)

I am Totally screwed!!!

ammck55

21st April 2006, 06:31

Then reboot.
I think you may have forgotten that part. ;). The Windows "Error Code 38" is generally in response to a configuration change followed by a failure to restart. This post was an hour old when I ran across, so hopefully, this is all it is/was, and my advice is no longer necessary. I will admit to doing this once or twice myself, and clogging the keyboard with hair and saliva. Give up, go to sleep, wake up, reboot, and everything's fine. If you tell anyone, I'll deny it.

Google up "windows error codes" and take a look-see for yourself; you never know, it might be a good page to bookmark. You'll get as much help in the Forums as you can stand, usually, but the search button is still your best friend.

ammck55

Islander1990

21st April 2006, 22:43

I did finally get my drives working. Thanks! I tried to burn a DVD with the new settings and it did burn faster. The movie would play on the computer but when I tried it in our DVD player, it said there was no disc. Here is the log

====== *** Nero-Burning Rom, History File *** ======
Owner

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/17/2003 12:18:06 AM
Nero version: 6.3.1.17 (Nero Express)
Recorder: <TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B>Version: GA04 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.3.1.17
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483B>Version: 1.00 - HA 0 TA 1 - 6.3.1.17
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483B atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD1600JD-22HBB0 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552 E: CDRom0
HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8483 F: CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 73400320 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 501MB (513792kB)
Free physical memory: 162MB (166176kB)
Memory in use : 67 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

21.4.2006
UDF/ISO compilation
4:30:13 PM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
DVD-Video files reallocation started

4:30:13 PM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

4:30:13 PM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6065
Iso document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet :FALSE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

4:30:13 PM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
DVD-Video files sorted

4:30:13 PM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running

4:30:13 PM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B running

4:30:13 PM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

4:30:13 PM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

4:30:13 PM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3172
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

4:30:13 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2286127 (508:01.52, 4465MB)

4:30:13 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257
Write in overburning mode: NO

4:30:13 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2137
Recorder: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: DAXON0 - 16S
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

4:30:13 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 418
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

4:30:13 PM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2286128 (2286128) = #2286128/508:1.53
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286128 blocks [TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B]
--------------------------------------------------------------

4:30:13 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681990144, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2286128 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

4:30:14 PM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Caching of files started

4:30:14 PM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4182
Cache writing successful.

4:30:14 PM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Caching of files completed

4:30:14 PM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Burn process started at 12x (16,620 KB/s)

4:30:14 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

4:30:14 PM #21 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1703
Set remaining time: 4:46,759 (286759ms) -> OK

4:30:14 PM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1876
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

4:30:14 PM #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20394
Set BUFE: Super Link -> ON

4:30:14 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2017
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

4:30:14 PM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8120
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 60 00 10 20 30 40 50 - 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 00 .`...0@P...!....
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

4:30:25 PM #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1294
16:30:25.937 - TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B\H0 T0 : Queue again later

4:36:59 PM #27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
<TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2286128 (22E230h), lenght 0 blocks

4:36:59 PM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

4:36:59 PM #29 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2253
EndDAO: Last written address was 2286127

4:37:02 PM #30 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1703
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

4:37:02 PM #31 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1703
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

4:37:02 PM #32 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1845
Burn process completed successfully at 12x (16,620 KB/s)

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 8/18/2001 1:07:32 AM
File 'Drivers\atapi(2).sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/4/2004 2:59:44 AM (Adapter driver for rec)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/4/2004 2:59:44 AM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

ammck55

21st April 2006, 22:56

This had the earmarks of a classic media compatibility issue. It's not what's on the disc, it's the fact that your standalone cannot see the disc, period.

Check out the database of player/media compatiblity over at *videohelp.com*, you'll probably find that the media you've just used cannot be "seen" by your standalone.
Players/media compatiblity (http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers)

ammck55

setarip_old

22nd April 2006, 01:24

Further to what "ammck55" has suggested:

1) I see where you've switched from a high quality (Maxell) brand on your earlier burn to a "no-name" (Disc Manufacturer: DAXON0 - 16S) brand that may be of poor quality

2) Burn process completed successfully at 12x (16,620 KB/s) Although it was a successful burn (as was the one in your first log), it's likely better/safer to burn at a lower speed (e.g. 4X or 2X)

What is your brand and model number of standalone DVD player? Have you successfully played any DVD-Rs on it?

Glad to see you managed to get DMA turned on again ;>}

Islander1990

24th April 2006, 03:52

It may be a media problem. I have burned 2 successful DVD's using the Maxell DVD's since you have fixed my burner settings . I always thought that BenQ dvd's were good. What is the difference between + R and -R? Can some burners work better with certain DVD's? Mine is a TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B .

Thanks for all your help...it is MUCH appreciated.

Kevin

CWR03

24th April 2006, 06:52

+R and -R isn't usually a compatibility problem with burners as long as the burner is a dual format. The problem may later arise that you can't play them on standalone players or other DVD-ROM drives. Check http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers to get an idea of what would best suit your purposes.