A History of Violance - No Menu Buttons

[Fishman0919]

I just encoded A History of Violance R1 W/DVD-RB 1.09.02 and HC .17.... I ripped the movie to the HD with DVDFab Decrypter 2.9.7.6. I have menu encode enabled with DVD-RB.

The disc encoded with no pb's but when I watch it on my Sony and Pioneer standalone players and after going thru the previews or if I skip the preview by pressing menu....when it gets to the menu to press play or pick options.... there's no menu button/selector to move.... Play, select scene, options..... are all there, just nothing to move or select with. If I press menu on my DVD remote, the main movie will start and play fine. If I press menu again to go back to the menu the menu button/selector is there and works fine.

Has any one else come accross anything like this?

[blutach]

Any preprocessing? If you press "select/enter" will an option be selected (eg Play)? If so, the button commands are still there but the highlights (in the subpic packs) are either missing or have been "stopped". (Sometimes, the highlights are stopped after a time, particularly in looping menus or where there are more than 1 set of buttons)

Check out the subpics for that menu in DVDSubEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~DVDSubEdit/). If they are stopped, you can try to unstop them (as well, make sure they are set to "Force Start").

But if DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/) has somehow contributed to this, jdobbs can help, I am sure.

Regards

[Fishman0919]

No preprocessing.... no, nothing works other then pressing menu to start the movie. There is a little motion to the menu and that is playing but just none of the menu features work the first time you go in... after if i go back it works fine.

[blutach]

after if i go back it works fineYou may be returning to a different PGC or program. Do a trace in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html) and see if you can isolate the offending PGC or program. This will also show you the menu buttons.

It sounds like the subpic packs have got confuddled in your original menu PGC (no highlights and no button operations) but are OK in the menu PGC/PGN that you go back to. Strange.

Once you have found the offending PGC, you might need to share (at least parts of) it with jdobbs.

In the short term, you might want not to encode the menus, or if you want smaller menus, consider MenuShrink (http://jean.laroche.free.fr/MenuShrink/).

Regards

[Fishman0919]

You may be returning to a different PGC or program. Do a trace in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html) and see if you can isolate the offending PGC or program. This will also show you the menu buttons.

It sounds like the subpic packs have got confuddled in your original menu PGC (no highlights and no button operations) but are OK in the menu PGC/PGN that you go back to. Strange.

Once you have found the offending PGC, you might need to share (at least parts of) it with jdobbs.

In the short term, you might want not to encode the menus, or if you want smaller menus, consider MenuShrink (http://jean.laroche.free.fr/MenuShrink/).

Regards

k, I'll try when I get home....at work now

[setarip_old]

@Fishman0919

Hi!

Four questions:

1) Does your original commercial DVD exhibit the same behaviour?

2) Does the burned copy exhibit the same behaviour when played on your PC?

3) When you see the menu screen with no buttonpress, have you tried using your Up/Down/Left/Right keys - to see if it brings up the buttonpress (from offscreen)?

4) Have you tried setting your standalone player to "4:3 letterbox" when initially displaying the menu?

[Fishman0919]

@Fishman0919

Hi!

Four questions:

1) Does your original commercial DVD exhibit the same behaviour?

2) Does the burned copy exhibit the same behaviour when played on your PC?

3) When you see the menu screen with no buttonpress, have you tried using your Up/Down/Left/Right keys - to see if it brings up the buttonpress (from offscreen)?

4) Have you tried setting your standalone player to "4:3 letterbox" when initially displaying the menu?

1)No, the Org disc Plays fine and so does a DVD+R DL of the rip

2)haven't tried playing the burned copy on my pc.... nor the encoded output from DVD-RB...I'll try that when I get home

3)yes, just does not...up,down,left,right,select....nothing

4)I have a widescreen tv, so I'll try that

[setarip_old]

I ripped the movie to the HD with DVDFab Decrypter 2.9.7.6the Org disc Plays fine and so does a DVD+R DL of the ripDid you use this same DVDFab Decrypter rip for creating your DVD+R DL burn?

[spyhawk]

If I press menu on my DVD remote, the main movie will start and play fine. If I press menu again to go back to the menu the menu button/selector is there and works fine.Seem like you have at least 2 instances of the same menu, and the first one is not working. Is this a static or motion menu? I'm not referring to the little motion to the menu.

I don't think DVDFab Decrypter does anything to the menu vob, just a straight copy, AFAIK.

[Fishman0919]

Ok, the ISO from DVD-RB plays fine with Media Player Classic on my pc.

There is a little prelude beforehand of the menu that plays the first time you go in that doesn't play when you go back. I just re-checked the disc in my standalone player and for a sec you can see the select bar/button but then it disappears and doesn't come back.

I'm going to try without menu encoding on the see what happens, I assume it will work because the dvd+r dl worked fine.

[Fishman0919]

Did you use this same DVDFab Decrypter rip for creating your DVD+R DL burn?

Yes, and both the Org and dl play fine on my pc and standalone

[Fishman0919]

Ok, I just re-checked the copy from DVD-RB in my Pioneer player and it seems to play fine.... it take a sec for the selector to come on but it works fine.... now it just seems that it only in my Sony player it's having a hard time.

[blutach]

SONYs are very on-spec. The "little flash" is the key. The subpic packs are there but their display have been "stopped" for some reason.

Try a mock strip of the menu (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84097) (although I really think it's a problem with the stops).

Regards

[setarip_old]

@Fishman0919

Now that you've determined that it's only your SONY that the menu is problematic, are you sure that's the only problem with playback on the SONY?

Does the DVD actually playback the movie properly once it's started - or does it play only about 2 seconds of each chapter?

[Fishman0919]

@Fishman0919

Now that you've determined that it's only your SONY that the menu is problematic, are you sure that's the only problem with playback on the SONY?

Does the DVD actually playback the movie properly once it's started - or does it play only about 2 seconds of each chapter?

No, main movie plays fine in both my Sony and Pioneer. With my Sony after I go back into the menu it works fine... I can go into the Special Features, Set Up Options and Select a Scene... going in and out with no pb's.... just the first time after starting up the Disc is where the pb is.

[jdobbs]

I'm checking into it. The unfortunate thing is that I did the same disc and it works fine on my three players -- and its really hard to chase down a problem that you can't repeat. I did use CCE, though. I'll try it again today with HC and see if it acts differently.

What model of Sony player are you using?

[Fishman0919]

What model of Sony player are you using?

Sony DVPNS-9100ES and Sony DVPNS-725P, both do the same thing with the menu.

I redid the disc over nite without menu encoding enable and the disc plays fine in my standalones. I'm going to try redoing with CCE to see what happens.

[jdobbs]

I'm looking at differences between the original and the backup now... nothing odd yet. But, as has been said, when there's horsesh*t on the floor -- there has to be a pony in there somewhere. I'm still looking.

[Fishman0919]

Just to let you know, CCE Basic had the same results with the menu.

[blutach]

@Fishman - maybe you can find the offending cell and do a cut of the VOB and upload it somewhere (if that is not against forum rules).

Regards

[Fishman0919]

@Fishman - maybe you can find the offending cell and do a cut of the VOB and upload it somewhere (if that is not against forum rules).

Regards


If it would help and it's not against forum rules.... then someone just tell me what you want/need and I'll gladly offer it up.

But then if someone rips the movie with DVDFab Decrypter 2.9.7.6. and encodes with with menu encoding enabled... they should be able to see the same results I get.

[jdobbs]

I looked at the output and the original -- and frankly they are almost identical except for the size.... so I concentrated on the "almost".

I'll PM you. I have a test version I'd like you to try.

[Fishman0919]

Sorry jdobbs, no go.... I tried both burning the file output with CopyToDVD and the ISO output with ImgBurn and got the same results with the test ver as with 1.09.02.

[spyhawk]

@Fishman0919,

I've seen this happen before in previous versions but it's supposed to be fixed now. So double check in the RB output the first navpack in the offending menu to see that button highlight status is 1. If it is 0 or 2 you cannot select any buttons nor see any highlights.

[jdobbs]

That's not it... I've checked that. The truth is I've examined the original and the DVD-RB output and they are virtually identical (except for size). I'll keep looking. These Sony players seem to be really finicky.