PC auto/force to restart when i do these....why ?

[jimlim007]

Hi all expertise, i cant trace this root cause since a very long time ago, really surrender to these issue long time ago.....

Pc Problem description:
1. when I do burning cd on sony cd-rw from harddisk source. It will restart suddenly at any time even at writing at 99% also restart. "just suddenly death" or some time it prompt out a small box message "Isaac error, window authoritise need to shutdown pc in 30 seconds"......why ???

2. when i do file transfer from IDE1 harddisk to IDE2 harddisk for a single/many file for the file size is around 2/300mb (example file size only), it will suddenly restart also. But if i do file transfering from IDE1 (c drive) to IDE1 (d drive) is OK. and if transfering from IDE2 to IDE1 also OK. Why ???


Pc hardware details:
CPU: AMD Duron 1.20Ghz
RAM: Apacer pc133 256mb + 128mb
Motherboard: Matsonic MS6127-c
IDE1 (Seagate 30gb 7200.7 jumper set:Master)
IDE2 (Seagate 200gb 7200.7 jumper set:Master)
Vga card: Elsa Geforce4 mx440se
Sound card: Creative audigy oldest
CD-RW: Sony 52-24-52 cd-rw (IDE2 jumper set: Slave)
Other: win Xp pro, Nero 6.0,

Solutions that I have done so far still not work:
Reformat whole PC, install win xp pro, all basic drivers only, Nero 6.0, still happen. Why???

Hopefully got reply from u all :)

[foxyshadis]

Since it probably isn't drivers in this case (although that's a cheap test), it's most likely a bad motherboard or bad ram. Since it's really getting on in the years and you've already nuked your windows, you might as well go for a new system instead of throwing more money at this one (unless you have someone to give it to).

[HardwareGeek]

Sounds like a hardware issue, since you've already reformatted and re-installed Windows.

Your hard drive subsystem is your number one suspect, since both problems that you mention involve hard drives. (Only one of the problems involves the optical drive).

Install a new hard drive on IDE2. I'm assuming that your OS is on IDE1. Also use a new data ribbon and even a different connector to the power supply. This test is fast.

If it doesn't do the trick, you could try a new hard drive (& data and power cable) on IDE1 as well. You will have to re-install the OS again, which is a pain, but at least this will eliminate the hard drives as the source of the problem.

Beyond that, your motherboard could be the problem, so you're looking at getting a new system.

[dani82]

just yesterday, my friend told me his' pc kept restarting after a while playing CS, i thought maybe it was cause he's socket where overloaded or his psu, but now...

[AVIL]

Hi,

You can trace better your problem if tells windows don't restart automatically. Windows then will stop with blue screen and will show a message that you can enhance with google.

To do so, press windows key (between ctrl and alt) and pause. You got "system property" windows. Under "advanced options" you must click on "configuration" of "start and recover" and uncheck "reboot automatically". It is possible that these labels are not the exact ones (I'm translating them from spanish).

The problem will be the same but you will obtain more info to fight it.

Good luck.

[Sirber]

Could be a Power Supply failure; or bad ram.

I'd run memtest86+ and prime95 to check the system.

[jimlim007]

Could be a Power Supply failure; or bad ram.

I'd run memtest86+ and prime95 to check the system.

where i can get memtest86+? is it free one ? can run under win xp ?

If is a power supply issue, then i have no way to trouble shooting. cos i m not expert in hardware .......

may be i needd plan to upgrade pc to p4 dual core since my motherboard has been full utilize almost over 5 years .... till today, game and internet still functional and nice ;)

thank you all expertise great inputs to me :thanks:

[foxyshadis]

Google has this fascinating quality of leading you to these things...

And ugh, do not get a p4 dual core, unless you like having an expensive, underperformant cpu on its way to obselescence, requiring a jet engine of a fan. Either get an X2, or wait for conroe so you can size up the real competition.

[HardwareGeek]

If is a power supply issue, then i have no way to trouble shooting. cos i m not expert in hardware
Swapping out a power supply is not hard, but I don't think this is a PSU problem.

may be i needd plan to upgrade pc to p4 dual core since my motherboard has been full utilize almost over 5 years
I'd say you're due for an "upgrade".

Either get an X2, or wait for conroeAgreed. I would argue, however, that Pentium D is still a viable option if you are on a tight budget, say, under $800. Check out this article on value CPUs: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2736

[jimlim007]

Google has this fascinating quality of leading you to these things...

And ugh, do not get a p4 dual core, unless you like having an expensive, underperformant cpu on its way to obselescence, requiring a jet engine of a fan. Either get an X2, or wait for conroe so you can size up the real competition.


haha....i for sure go for Intel Cpu Dual Core.....bcos intel cpu more and more powerfull. Another thing is my pc most time switch on at least 12 hours per day, max is 48 hours for dl or play game purpose. I no thing so AMD cpu can turn on for 48 hours with out rest.

Here is the disadvantages of buying AMD cpu in my country :

1. Buy AMD cpu need buy new powerfull fan, waste money again. (here is hot weather compare to europe country) Original fan waiting cpu get burn or unstablility will happen.

2. If the reseller closed shop, the amd cpu no more warranty any more. (last time i m worked as computer technician, i face it b4) according to AMD official web site, it still ask to go back to "that" particular reseller where you bough it. So idiot it is !

3. Now, not only AMD cpu can overclock any more, Intel after overlocked more powerfull than AMD :rolleyes: hehe......

4. AMD cpu easy get burn if once fan problem or heat problem one day, Intel cpu never burn. (in history when me as technician, I assembly a pc p4 2.8ghz, forgot to plug the cpu fan power connector into motherboard. After that get complain from customer saying that when play PIN ball 3D system hang, after i run through felt that system very hot, and then open up the casing, I so shocked....... wow.... no plug the fan connector damm..... but lucky intel "features" save the system, the tempeature is 74 degree. Never burn and good condition. While I encountered AMD problem when AMD first launched of Athlon 1300, my boss (computer shop) keep 2 units of Athlon 1300. One day got customer to buy it, then another technician do hardware installation. he forgot to tear out the sticker below the fan (that mean the silicon glue cant touch the cpu chip bcos block by the sticker, and then once ON, 1,2,3 second smelling ...cpu burn.........:devil: After that, pc fail to boot up, boss ask to try another unit Athlon 1300 with the same motherboard to test it is the mainboard is still "functional", so he put the 2ns unit Athlon 1300, and ON. pc boot up "beep".....Bcos of want test back the burn unit Athlon to "double confirmed", so he off the system by turn off the main switch and then quickly removed the heatsink, Shit !!! once take the heatsink up, 2nd unit Athlon burned... the smoke came out on the chip area. If the system using Intel CPU, for sure these thing never happen :cool: )

Many People always say want "powerfull" "powerfull" cpu (AMD) but most of time, they didn't truely understand what is powerfull mean. What program they may run? How much they want to 100% fully optimize the cpu "all features" usage?

Haha, anyway there is no arguement here. Just my opinion :rolleyes: I for sure go for at least Intel 930 or 940 Ho Ho....Ho....... should be this July 2006 :cool:

[foxyshadis]

Pentium Ds are hotter that X2s, require a bigger fan, and many benchmark sites show they are not more powerful, ust more expensive. I'm not sure where you got the information that they're cooler. P4s are, at equivalent performance levels, much hotter than Athlon 64s. They also have thermal limiting and shutdown these days. (This wasn't always the case, in the early Athlon and Athlon XP days they had a tendency to run very hot and damage easily, which is why I think your information is very out of date. Your anecdotes about the original Athlon confirm it. AMD has worked hard to put that unreliable hobbyist image behind the last few years, to become mainstream like Intel.) Intel's heat problem is so bad that these days, it's often intel's high end chips you have to worry about overheating - even with a fan.

This is the entire reason Intel's scrapping their entire P4 line this fall and replacing it with a derivative of the P3 line - P4 is a technical failure, it's only a marketing success. If you would wait a few more months, a low-end conroe dual-core will probably be able to run with a nearly silent fan, and be far more powerful at that. (Like my core duo, which conroe is based on.)

BTW, all current desktop processors run far hotter than an Athlon 1300. A current P4 chip would die just as quickly if you removed the heatsink without letting it cool, because no silicon can withstand that heat buildup - these stories abound online. Maybe an Intel of the period, but certainly no longer.

As for your comment on warranties:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_867_2139,00.html
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-009862.htm
Both offer 3 year direct warranties on boxed processors and no warranty on unboxed processors. (Unboxed is reseller only for both.)

I don't mean to rag on you, I just can't stand misinformation being put out because of 6-year-old experiences. 6 years ago, HP was one of the most respected brands in the industry; today their products are slipshod, badly designed and made, and their support is uselsss. IBM's thinkpad is currently undergoing the same transformation, since its sale to lenovo. Also 6 years ago, Google was a nobody, now they're the most respected search engine (among other things). To generalize anyone in this industry by where it was 5 or 10 years ago is a mistake, far more than any other industry.

[HardwareGeek]

Pentium Ds are hotter that X2s,
Quite true
many benchmark sites show they [Pentium Ds] are not more powerful [than X2s]
Understatement. X2s tend to outperform Pentium Ds, all things being equal.
P4 is a technical failure
A little strong, IMO, but there's no denying

It was a huge disappointment that the chips could not be clocked above 4GHz. The success of the P4 architecture was primarily predicated on clock speed and being able to push the clock much higher
The current generation of P4 runs hotter than, er, the competition

I nevertheless found jimlim007's remarks interesting.

[jimlim007]

Both offer 3 year direct warranties on boxed processors and no warranty on unboxed processors. (Unboxed is reseller only for both.)


Anyway, i forgot to mentioned is box or bulk. Actuallly i mean it for original Boxes package with original fan/heatsink. Just felt so sad about the warranty system of AMD, any thing need go back to reseller shop. Once the reseller shop is close, then the story is close also. But warranty for Intel, i just call it to collect and it is FOC. warranty period also fast to clear the warranty item. I experince it myself as i handler for RMA Dept b4.

Some cases i see it myself in front of my "true" eye, i cant denied it (like the cpu burned issue), it's FACT. anyway, :thanks: for inputs,
me will switch to Intel cpu for sure................ :cool: