Narnia Audio Sync Problem

[ehooker8]

I need help with ripping and encoding narnia. No matter what I do I have an audio sync problem.

I have tried PgcEdit with FixVTS
I have tried PGCEdit with VobBlanker
I have tried AnyDVD Version 5.9.5.1 and ripping with DVD decrypter.

I'm encoding with AutoGK 2.26 in xvid.

I have read everything I can find and not had any luck. It rips and enocodes with no errors its just when I play it back on my media player the audio is about 2 seconds off.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[setarip_old]

Hi!

Load the file into VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod, or NanDub.
Set BOTH "Video"(VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod and NanDub) and "Audio"
(VirtualDub and NanDub - VirtualDubMOD>"Streams>"Stream list") to "Direct Stream Copy".

A) If the difference between audio and video is constant throughout the

video:

From the "Audio" dropdown menu, select "Interleaving" (For

VirtualDubMOD, rightclick on the listed audiostream and then select

"Interleaving")
Under "Audio skew correction", set an appropriate number of

milliseconds (positive or negative) in the box labelled "Delay audio track

by"
Save with a new filename


B) If the difference increases as the movie plays:

From under the "Video" dropdown menu, select "Framerate" - and

select "Change so video and audio durations match"
Save with a new filename

Let us know of your success ;>}

[Tae]

Hi!

Load the file into VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod, or NanDub.
Set BOTH "Video"(VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod and NanDub) and "Audio"
(VirtualDub and NanDub - VirtualDubMOD>"Streams>"Stream list") to "Direct Stream Copy".

A) If the difference between audio and video is constant throughout the

video:

From the "Audio" dropdown menu, select "Interleaving" (For

VirtualDubMOD, rightclick on the listed audiostream and then select

"Interleaving")
Under "Audio skew correction", set an appropriate number of

milliseconds (positive or negative) in the box labelled "Delay audio track

by"
Save with a new filename


B) If the difference increases as the movie plays:

From under the "Video" dropdown menu, select "Framerate" - and

select "Change so video and audio durations match"
Save with a new filename

Let us know of your success ;>}

How do you determine how many ms is right?

[setarip_old]

How do you determine how many ms is right?The method I use is to watch and listen...

[Tae]

I just found out from another thread that VirtualDubMod can't do AC3 audio.

[CWR03]

The "other thread" is incorrect. I've successfully resynched many AC3 audio files with VirtualDubMod, most recently Bambi II.

[Tae]

The "other thread" is incorrect. I've successfully resynched many AC3 audio files with VirtualDubMod, most recently Bambi II.

When the movie plays in preview mode in VirtualDubMod, I cannot hear the sound. That is probably what was mentioned. Does me no good at trying to guess at something that I cannot hear the result of.

[jggimi]

preview mode is silent. It is primarily used to check subtitle settings.

[kis2005]

Tae - Try previewing the movie in your player or Media Player Classic and by trial and error, you will be able to come up with the correct synch.

[CWR03]

When the movie plays in preview mode in VirtualDubMod, I cannot hear the sound.
There's no use in previewing it - instead, use Direct Stream Copy and save a new file, then check it with your preferred media player. It should only take 10-15 seconds for each full hour of video to save it.

[Tae]

There's no use in previewing it - instead, use Direct Stream Copy and save a new file, then check it with your preferred media player. It should only take 10-15 seconds for each full hour of video to save it.

I did not realize it would be that quick.

[jv_guano]

There's no use in previewing it - instead, use Direct Stream Copy and save a new file, then check it with your preferred media player. It should only take 10-15 seconds for each full hour of video to save it.

Hey, I've got a similar problem...I've an AC3 audio stream to syncronize to the video..and I hoped and thought (before reading your posts) that I could "preview" the sound on VirtualDub...
so after this waste of time, I discovered that this is not possible..

so, I followed your advice to save the two streams (video&audio) to a new file, that it's a fast way..

I saved, and it takes my 8 minutes and 2 gb (it's a "normal" film of less than 90 minutes)...it's nearly the same time and space that remuxing the two streams!!!!
(and I cannot see the video, though!)

please help me!
I've also opened a topic here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110193)

thanks!

[setarip_old]

Hi!I saved, and it takes my 8 minutes and 2 gbSounds like, in VirtualDubMOD, you didn't set "Video" to "Direct Stream Copy"...

[ron spencer]

Narnia has structure protection as well as ripguard on it. You cannot use AutoGK on the rip as the bad cells mess it up. You can rip to to your computer and it will play, but if you open up the main movie with PGCEdit you will see a bunch of dummy cells at the start of the movie. This messes AutoGK up. What I did was to then run the rip I did again through DVD Shrink, but reauthor it to change the start time. I moved the start time up by about 3 seconds. This makes DVDShrink rewrite the cells. Open up the new DVdSrhink run though with PGCEdit...PGCEdit will offer to fix a table...let it do so, but now when you double-click the main movie PGC it is fixed. AutoGK will now work.

[jv_guano]

Hi!Sounds like, in VirtualDubMOD, you didn't set "Video" to "Direct Stream Copy"...

Yeah, I'm sure I set it...this morning, I re-tried , I put direct stream copy on audio, on video, in the save window, and nothing...8 minute, 2 gb, and no video... :( :(

[Dragon Shenron]

The "other thread" is incorrect. I've successfully resynched many AC3 audio files with VirtualDubMod, most recently Bambi II.

They did the sequel? :eek: Oh no... Hope it doesn't try to beat Rocky.

[setarip_old]

@ron spencer

Hi!Narnia has structure protection as well as ripguard on it.Not really. The bad/dummy sectors you refer to are the residue left after ONLY using DVD Decrypter v.3.5.4 to rip a "RipGuard" copy protected DVD.

If you do the following, you won't have the problem you've described:

1) Use DVD Decrypter v.3.5.4 to rip in "File" mode - Select "All" files, NOT just "movie" files

2) Load the rip into "VOBBlanker". Create/Select an output location for the new VOBBLanker-adjusted DVD files. Set "VOBBlanker to "Process all" - and then press the "Process" radiobutton

[setarip_old]

@jv_guano

Are you using, as you stated, VirtualDub or, as was suggested, VirtualDubMOD?

[jv_guano]

@jv_guano

Are you using, as you stated, VirtualDub or, as was suggested, VirtualDubMOD?

I was using VirtualDubMod http://users.inetware.com/androniq/template/smile/sisi.gif
However, now I'm using the method "fix the audio&remux"..it's not so difficult, also beacuse seems that I'm good at guessing the audio delays! :P ..or maybe just some lucky strikes!

[setarip_old]

I'm glad to hear you've resolved your dilemma!

[worldgate]

Ive found that if you use anydvd and then use nero to 'recode main movie to dvd' then put it on dvd9 and essentially 'rebuild' the dvd it seems get rid of copy protection. Then i use autogk, even if its horribly slow at encoding. 3.5-4 hrs to encode on a p4 3ghz. Essentially it takes the same amount of time to do it on my Pentium IIIM at 1.6ghz.

I would use nero recode but it seems to always drop frames and stutter every few minutes and i cant handle that.

[BigDid]

... Then i use autogk, even if its horribly slow at encoding. 3.5-4 hrs to encode on a p4 3ghz. Essentially it takes the same amount of time to do it on my Pentium IIIM at 1.6ghz...
Hi,

Seems strange, can you be more specific about what parts of the encode are slow?
If you don't know, posting your log (copy-paste in the post) will give these infos :)
Also is it slow only for this movie or for all the previously encoded movies?

Did

[Tikker]

Hi!

Load the file into VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod, or NanDub.
Set BOTH "Video"(VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod and NanDub) and "Audio"
(VirtualDub and NanDub - VirtualDubMOD>"Streams>"Stream list") to "Direct Stream Copy".

A) If the difference between audio and video is constant throughout the

video:

From the "Audio" dropdown menu, select "Interleaving" (For

VirtualDubMOD, rightclick on the listed audiostream and then select

"Interleaving")
Under "Audio skew correction", set an appropriate number of

milliseconds (positive or negative) in the box labelled "Delay audio track

by"
Save with a new filename


B) If the difference increases as the movie plays:

From under the "Video" dropdown menu, select "Framerate" - and

select "Change so video and audio durations match"
Save with a new filename

Let us know of your success ;>}

Was having this exact issue, and followed these instructions

took me 4 or 5 tries at guessing the skew, but it worked perfectly, and probably only took 20 minutes total

[weaver4]

Ive found that if you use anydvd and then use nero to 'recode main movie to dvd' then put it on dvd9 and essentially 'rebuild' the dvd it seems get rid of copy protection. Then i use autogk, even if its horribly slow at encoding. 3.5-4 hrs to encode on a p4 3ghz. Essentially it takes the same amount of time to do it on my Pentium IIIM at 1.6ghz.

I have been using the same approch with great success. I use nero recode, dvd shrink or CloneDVD2.

[Pulp Catalyst]

i've tried AutoGK on a Unprotected disk and still had sound problems, also tried the same source using Fairuse Wizard 2.4 and no problems at all,

it would seem that AutoGK maybe showing it's age, as Fairuse Wizard if watched closely, you can see on a paticular part it comes up with (Sycronising Audio & Picture), where as AutoGK does not,

also the latest AutoGK 2.27 (Comes with a BETA mp3 Encoder), again, i feel this is quite bad, the name BETA going into a STABLE progam is not what i would call logical, although i have not tested 2.26 so this maybe irrelevent anyway,

i have also spoken to the authour of AnyDVD and in so many words, he told me that older encoders maybe missing a lot of analysing code so to speak,

looking at autoGK 2.27, i must admit it does no checking what so ever concerning the audio delay, and doesn't know when the video is out of sync, perhaps this is a downful of DGIndex what AutoGK depends on entirely or perhaps there is something even more bizare were all missing,

but i know that AutoGK has trouble on Un-Protected DVD (No Arcoss and no RIPGuard) in fact AnyDVD 5.9.6.1 reports to me that there is not protection on the dvd's i have tried so far:-

Startrek Films (1-5)
Carry On Films (Jack, Sargent)
James Bond Collection (First 9 so Far)


all the above have no protection, dvd decrypter agrees with me, so does dvd fab (i don't use these other tools but i do like to see what they have to say about the protection,

so please to every one else, this sound audion problem from what i can tell, has nothing to do with what kind of protection is on the dvd itself,

the fact is AutoGK 2.27 is now starting to show it's age, it has no built in Async check, depends very much on DGIndex, and when ever DivX updates, it always breaks compatibility with AutoGK,

so my point is, with out a encoder that does Async Checks, then this problem will not go away, and has nothing todo with added protection on the source DVD itself,

further more, if this was the case, then Fairuse Wizard 2.4 must of been designed by Gods, because they have elimated all these problems to start with, and this program produces far superior results then AutoGK, because with Fairuse Wizard you have a quallity slider that you can use, which on maximum can take 6 hours on my pc as apposed to 3.5 hours by AutoGK with very much lower quallity,

i personly sacrifice the time for the quality, but also knowing that i won't have no Async problems is reassuring and won't have me wasting my time,

With Respect to AutoGK 2.27, this program was one of the first and will always be a all time favourite of mine, but support on this amazing program has been dropped (Virtualy), and about the right time to, because for the author to fix these issues will requie a lot of time and effort, and for the Asnc issue will depend soley on what DGIndex can pull out the bag,

but i still believe some sort of Async checking code will be needed, and as he is to busy to hardly fix bugs, then don't ecspect this to be resolved to soon,

all we can hope is that someone finds a solid work around, but remember though, AutoGK 2.27 gives of Inferior Results Compared to Fairuse Wizard 2.4.

if only Fairuse Wizard 2.4 was Free (well it sort of is?)
ED2k/

[weaver4]

Fair Use Wizard is an amazing program. But, the developer of FUW has not been heard from, on his own support newsgroup, for several months. So all is not perfect, it will probably fall behind too.

I have been ripping movies with anydvd to my hard drive (this runs a FixVTS on the result). Then I process this folder with Nero Recode or CloneDVD to get only the main movie and audio I want. Then I feed this into staxrip or autogk without having any sync problems. You might want to try this approach on the DVDs that you a are having problems with. If you do please post your results here.

[Pulp Catalyst]

i personally don't like running my dvd's through any process that i feel could create new problems, FixVTS and VobBlanker fine, but not though big packages like Nero Recode, i can't justify the risk of solving 1 problem, but potentialy creating more,

as for Vobblanker and the like, for me this just creates another stage in the process list,

some people would be happy with this, and for those that have SATA hard drives, and dual P4 and the like processors would not mind this,

but for me, i'm on a Athlon 3000+ with 3 IDE 40GB HD's (having mutiple Hd's does help) so this just causes more deplays, and besides i like automatic programs, software that has the intelligence to decide the best course of action, which thankfully many have,

*EDIT*
i did try your test, it would appear that this does resolve the async issue, and added a extra 40mins of time to the process which i just could not come to terms with, but clearly the problem is starting to appear that AutoGK that relies on DGIndex maybe the problem (And i do say MAYBE),

i've been looking at the latest BETA's on DGIndex and it would appear that he has already implemented a few options that might help, but at the very least, i think he is aware of the situation, and is currently addressing this ASync issue, and hopefully when he has come up with a solution, or perhaps a workaround, the Creator of AutoGK will hopefully put this in his great peice of software (A all time classic) as this will once again give a light on AutoGK, and perhaps if he could allow us to also adjust the quallity for those of us who don't mind waiting for 6 hours for a encode, will give him the crown back.

P.S. it's a shame to hear about Fairuse Wizard Struggling, but i could swear it's been less then 7 months since we had the 2.4 release, and this program is far to good to stop now, there's still a couple of problems concerning understanding certain sound formats, but other than that, this is a wicked program, auto-matic and very inteligent, with coustomizable quality option, and full support for DivX as well as H.324.

long live them both if you ask me, it's always great to have a brilliant program, but to have 2, well, we should be all touched,

Hope the creator of DGIndex can pull it out the bag,