help plzzz!! problem with encoding..

[etain]

its like that i have cce ver 2.7 and i want to encode a home made video..is resolution is
608*256
and i want to make this movie an ntsc..i understand(im not sure) that ntsc resolution sould be 720*480
and pal 720*576..

when i double click the movie file after i add it to the cce window : in the {frame resize} i dont know what to write down..because i checked in the {video settings} Mpeg2 and {for DVD} after i check this the cce doesnt let me to change the resolution my self in the {frame resize}..it determines by it self resolution of 720*576 in case that i will chouse resize..
the point is i dont know what resolution to write because it makes me a 720*576 and i need a 16:9 movie

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what resolution do i need to write in the resize? and what {aspect ratio} i need to check? in order to have a {16:9 =>ntsc}
plzzzzz respond
tnx
etain

[manono]

Hi-

Based on what you've said so far, this'll go over your head, but... Use FitCD to give yourself an AviSynth script to feed into CCE. That way the necessary cropping, resizing, and colorspace conversions will have already been done. For your 608x256 AVI to be encoded for 16:9, I'd suggest:

AVISource("C:\Path\To\Movie.avi")
LanczosResize(720,368)
AddBorders(0,56,0,56)
ConvertToYUY2()

Assuming it's at 23.976fps, either run Pulldown within CCE, or afterwards using Pulldown.exe or DGPulldown. All you have to do is to set up CCE for progressive 16:9 encoding and give it a bitrate. Reading the manual might help. Reading a guide might also help:

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/avi2dvdr.htm

[etain]

but i dont know exactly how to use or write with avisynth
if you can give a short guidance it will be very helpfull.


my avi has 25FPS..

(but thank you vey much for the script..i've tried to understand how to write this script a lot of times before but it didnt went well..)

do i need to write something in this line? int the brackets?

ConvertToYUY2()

ConvertToYUY2(in here?)

if i will open the avi with this script for the cce i will need to mark 16:9 in the aspect ratio ? inside the cce? although
the script alone will make from the movie 16:9? (it is..right?..)

thank you very much for your help..

[etain]

if am writing an avisynth script with notepad how do i save the doc in a way that the windows will know it has an avisynth script?..

[manono]

Oh, it's PAL? Then the script is:

AVISource("C:\Path\To\Movie.avi")
LanczosResize(720,442)
AddBorders(0,67,0,67)
ConvertToYUY2()

if you can give a short guidance it will be very helpfull.

No. Read everything at www.avisynth.org.

do i need to write something in this line? int the brackets?

ConvertToYUY2()

ConvertToYUY2(in here?)

No.

if i will open the avi with this script for the cce i will need to mark 16:9 in the aspect ratio ? inside the cce?

Yes, you have to set CCE for 16:9 encoding.

if am writing an avisynth script with notepad how do i save the doc in a way that the windows will know it has an avisynth script?..

Set it up as a .txt file with the script inside. Then rename .txt as .avs. By the way, before opening the script in CCE, test it out first in VDubMod. That way, if there are any errors, VDubMod will give you an error message.

[etain]

whats vdubmod??..

[manono]

Hi-

VDubMod=Virtual Dub Mod. Or you can use VDub or VDub MPEG-2. Or you can play the .avs in some players and they will also give error messages if something's wrong with the script, so you can pinpoint the problem line. The problem is that CCE either just rejects the script with no message, or gives a cryptic and useless error message.

[etain]

the script with the media player after i wrote the script and saved it like you said..

the media player gave me the following error:

ACM failed to suggest a compatible PCM format
(E:\resize.avs,line 1)

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(i called the script file resize.avs)


i hope your not taired of helping me! lol..

[etain]

the resizing??
if i have 608*256
how did you came to 720*368??

[etain]

ACM failed to suggest a compatible PCM format
(E:\resize.avs,line 1)

in the media player?

[desta]

the resizing??
if i have 608*256
how did you came to 720*368??
He gave you the actual 'video' picture size, based on the AR of the original resolution you gave him, and assuming it was to be an NTSC output.

For PAL, personally I would've suggested:

LanczosResize(720,432)
AddBorders(0,72,0,72)

... However, you said in your first post that you wanted it to be NTSC, in which case the 720,368 resolution was correct.

[etain]

i want ntsc but im still having trouble to determine the resolution..or how to do it any way...
can you write for me a post that will explain exactly how yo do everything..

what to write in the script if i want ntsc 16:9
and my movie has a resolution of 608*256
and 25Fps..

and then what to fill up exactly in cce..
i will appriciate it very much...
thank you again and again and again.

[etain]

skype messenger or icq??
manono or desta ..
i think it will be easier that way..

[desta]

Videohelp.com - AVI to DVD MPEG (CCE or TMPGenc encoders) (http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=222898)

Videohelp.com - Determining Aspect Ratios and Resolutions (http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=174200)

[etain]

do you manono and desta calculate the
LanczosResize?


LanczosResize(720,432)
AddBorders(0,72,0,72)

[etain]

thank you desta but i know this sites and im having trouble understanding the guides..

[desta]

do you manono and desta calculate the
LanczosResize?


LanczosResize(720,432)
AddBorders(0,72,0,72)
That would be the size if your output was to be PAL.... as has already been said a few times now.


thank you desta but i know this sites and im having trouble understanding the guides..
It's a very clear guide.

[manono]

Thanks desta. Yeah, your PAL script is very similar to one I get with ITU resizing turned on in FitCD. Personally, I use ITU resizing, but didn't want to complicate things for etain.

etain-

ACM failed to suggest a compatible PCM format

My fault there. I forgot to turn off the audio. The script should be (if NTSC, I'm still not sure which you're doing this for):

AVISource("C:\Path\To\Movie.avi",False)
LanczosResize(720,368)
AddBorders(0,56,0,56)
ConvertToYUY2()

And you then extract the audio yourself. If already AC3, then maybe run it through AC3Fix to make sure it's compatible for DVD. If MP3, then reencode for AC3 (or, if PAL, for AC3 or MP2).

what to write in the script if i want ntsc 16:9
and my movie has a resolution of 608*256
and 25Fps..

You're making an NTSC DVD from a 25fps AVI? Then after encoding it at 720x480 and 25fps, run the MPV or M2V through DGPulldown with the 25->29.97 box checked. Then it will be ready for authoring with the original unstretched audio (if AC3).

i want ntsc but im still having trouble to determine the resolution..

I said earlier to use FitCD to get the resize. The problem is that AVIs are usually 1:1 and MPEG-2 is either 16:9 or 4:3 and gets resized by the player. So, until you understand what's going on, the resizing for MPEG-2 won't make much sense to you. Maybe this will help explain:

http://www.doom9.org/aspectratios.htm

skype messenger or icq??

No thanks.

It occurs to me that you might not be ready to do this whole thing manually. You might try the AVI to DVD portion of DVD2SVCD. Here's a guide:

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/dvd2svcd-avi.htm

Or maybe the free version of DivXToDVD (thanks for the suggestion BigDid!). You can find it in the Downloads section of www.videohelp.com.

[BigDid]

...Or maybe the free version of DivXToDVD (thanks for the suggestion BigDid!). You can find it in the Downloads section of www.videohelp.com.
My pleasure, last free rev should be 0.5299 here: http://freedownload.softonic.de/windows/vsoDivxToDVD_setup_0.52.99.exe

Good luck

Did

[etain]

my only problem is the resizing nothing else..i can andle with everything else

thanks the script you gave me for ntsc is working!(thank godd!! i've had headaches over this...atlast..)

thank youu..
now i need to now exactly what to check in the cce..
you already told me to check 16:9..

mpeg2 is checked along with "for DVD" and "1 pass CBR" in the "video setting" area.

im leaving the "frame rate" at 25fps like you said.

at the "timecode setting" im changing it from

0 => 01 00 00 00 to
0=> 00 00 00 00
is that ok?

at the "frame size" i need to check the "resize" option?.

two last things:
at the pulldown section the box "2:3" is marked..sould i change it? leave it this way?

and the "preprocess" section..nothing is marked there..i need to check something or leave it ?..

thank you for your help i hope i havent been to much of a headache.

etain.

[manono]

Hi-

Uncheck "For DVD". Do not run Pulldown in CCE. Do it using DGPulldown afterwards, as instructed earlier. VBR encoding is way, way, better than CBR. Framerate is 25fps, yes. Timecode is reset to 0, yes. Encode for 16:9 yes. Do not resize. It's already 720x480. No preprocessing.

[etain]

the avi is encoded as we chat i passed that stage..

you said:

You're making an NTSC DVD from a 25fps AVI? Then after encoding it at 720x480 and 25fps, run the MPV or M2V through DGPulldown with the 25->29.97 box checked. Then it will be ready for authoring with the original unstretched audio (if AC3).


25->29.97 ?

wouldent it harm the synchronization of the video and audio?

[manono]

Hi-

wouldent it harm the synchronization of the video and audio?

No. Ordinarily, progressive movies encoded at 23.976fps have regular 3:2 pulldown applied so the DVD player outputs the required 29.97fps. And there are no synch problems. You'll just be applying a slightly different kind of pulldown, but the result will be the same, 29.97fps output, and no synch problems. This assumes that you don't somehow mess up the audio. :)

[etain]

i messed up with the audio...i pulled it out from the avi using virtualdub ...
pulled it out using direct stream copy ataudio section above...
and saved it in wav format(wave header)...needed to change it back to ac3 ...used becliced(something like that..) and belight...

made it 484Kbs origenlly was 384...

is that ok ? considered messing up with the audio?...
will affect the synchronization????

[manono]

Let me make sure I understand. You extracted an AC3 audio track by converting it to WAV and then converted it back to AC3, but this time at a higher bitrate?

Why not just extract the AC3 in its original form, of DD 5.1@384, rather than degrade it unnecessarily with multiple conversions?

As long as it remains the same length, you shouldn't have synch problems. Unless there was a delay you don't know about. :)

[etain]

need to verigy things:

my movie was

608*256
25fps

i wanted to convert it to 720*480 ntsc..

then you gave me this script

AVISource("C:\Path\To\Movie.avi",False)
LanczosResize(720,368)
AddBorders(0,56,0,56)
ConvertToYUY2()

but you said "assuming its 23fps.."
my movie was 25 fps.. so the script you gave me is good?..

then you said to convert it from 25fps to 29fps .....
and then to author the audio with the video..right?..


look that what i extracted from gspot..

608x256 (2.38:1) [=19:8

2.38:1 means?
its about 2.35:1 if we angle it..right?

is there a way to extract an ac3 without transcode it to wave first?...i read it at virtual dub procedures..

[manono]

Hi-

my movie was 25 fps.. so the script you gave me is good?...

Yes, unless I made another mistake. :) You have 368 active video pixels plus 56 more of black being added both above and bekow the video. 368+56+56=480. So it's NTSC compliant at 720x480. The resolution doesn't really have anything to do with the framerate.

then you said to convert it from 25fps to 29fps .....
and then to author the audio with the video..right?..

Yes, sort of. DGPulldown doesn't reencode the video or anything like that. It just adds some flags (software, sort of) to the video stream that tells the player how to add duplicate fields to the output to play it at the NTSC required framerate of 29.97fps. Nothing is really being converted.

its about 2.35:1 if we angle it..right?

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't think there's any way to tell at this point what the exact original AR was. You can only hope the original encoder knew what he was doing with his cropping and resizing to maintain proper AR.

is there a way to extract an ac3 without transcode it to wave first?...i

Maybe you can use VDub, I don't know as I no longer use it. I always use VDubMod for the job. Open the AVI in VDubMod. Then go Streams->Stream List->Demux. Give it an output location and a name and Save. Like I said before, it's usually a good idea to run it through AC3Fix afterwards. There's also a GUI available for AC3Fix.

[etain]

of the audio source depends on the bitrate of the file?...

im almost done....can you recommend a good authoring program??....

[manono]

the length of the audio source depends on the bitrate of the file?...

No.

can you recommend a good authoring program??....

If you don't need a menu, then nothing beats Muxman (freeware). You may have to create chapters, if you want them. If you want to create a menu, then I usually use DVDAuthorGUI (freeware). A lot of people like TMPGEnc DVD Author. TDA costs money, but I believe there's a free trial.

[etain]

http://rapidshare.de/files/17124547/untitled.bmp.html

its a picture of a frame of the movie after the encoding and resizing and dgpulldown.. whats rong?

dont worry its not a virus i realy need your help i wont send you bullshit..

i've uploaded it to rapidshare..

[desta]

Well it's 16:9, but letterboxed 4:3, as opposed to anamorphic 16:9.

Not quite sure how you managed that with the sizes you've been told. Did you set the 16:9 flag in CCE before encoding?

EDIT: Actually that screenshot is 1024x768, so I presume you've maximised it from whatever media player you're using (?), in which case it's probably right.

[manono]

Yeah, it looks OK to me too. I think it has the black bars from the DVD, plus more black bars added by the player. Maybe it's a pic taken from the desk top. It looks to me to be a pic taken from a 16:9 DVD and displayed on a 4:3 display device (computer monitor/4:3 TV set). Can't really tell about the AR in that pic, though. etain, that seems to be in outer space. Are there any scenes with the whole Earth or Moon in them? If they're round, then you're OK. If they're ovals, then something's wrong.

[neuron2]

i wont send you bullshit.. Please note forum rule 4: no profanity. Thank you.

[etain]

Not quite sure how you managed that with the sizes you've been told. Did you set the 16:9 flag in CCE before encoding?

ya i did...

EDIT: Actually that screenshot is 1024x768, so I presume you've maximised it from whatever media player you're using

i did maximised it in the media player...pressed print screen...

manono=>

cant i do something? i want only one black bar on each side!!
cant something be done?????

[etain]

Well it's 16:9, but letterboxed 4:3, as opposed to anamorphic 16:9.

what is letterboxed?.. and in 4:3...
why is it like that..?

can i unletterbox it and then re-encode it to 16:9??
if it can be done...then how?..

[manono]

cant i do something? i want only one black bar on each side!!

Side means left and right. Are you asking why you have so much black bars on the top and bottom? It's because you're watching a 2.35:1 movie on a 4:3 (1.33:1) computer monitor. Over 43% of the screen is black. Can something be done? Yes, get a widescreen computor monitor and an HDTV. If you're asking how you can fill more of the screen, then you have 2 choices. You can stretch the image vertically so everything and everyone is tall and skinny. Or you can chop off the sides of the movie and change the AR to something more to your liking. Doing either would be very foolish. Enjoy the film in all its widescreen glory.

can i unletterbox it and then re-encode it to 16:9??

You're not making any sense. In your previous post you said you did encode for 16:9 in CCE.

[etain]

i did encoded it to 16:9 already ....i have a 34 inch tv 4:3...
i will see it the same like i saw it in the computer if i will burn it?...


i want to see the movie like it is in the source...i will get a picture and show you.....
i think its strange..look if i will "delete" the added bars.. the size of the picture will be exactly like in the source..why is that?

[manono]

i will see it the same like i saw it in the computer if i will burn it?...

Yes, lots of black. The TV overscan will work to give you a slightly larger movie with slightly less black, but you''ll also lose a little bit of active video from the sides.

Sorry, but I didn't understand your last question.

[etain]

i took the risk and burned it on DVD...the dvd player at the tv presents it diffrently then the computer...only with one pair of black bars(in the computer there is two pairs of black bars..)

tnxxx!! for your help your a .......genius !!!!!

but there is a few things that i need to know of....

resizing the movie affects the aspect ratio right? and it doesnt matter if you encode it ..if you risized it rong the quality of the picture will be even worse then the source right? (the avi file whom encoded) then how can i new if the risize that im praforming wont destroy the whole encoding process and time invested? how can new if the risize is correct and not just a guess?

[manono]

Hi-

Glad it worked out for you.

how can new if the risize is correct and not just a guess

I've said it twice now, and I'll say it again; use FitCD for the job of cropping/resizing/addingborders. Here's a guide:

http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1487285#1487285

resizing the movie affects the aspect ratio right?

Yes.

if you risized it rong the quality of the picture will be even worse then the source right?

I'm assuming that you mean a bad resize will cause a bad AR with stretching or squashing of the video, so, yes again.

how can i new if the risize that im praforming wont destroy the whole encoding process and time invested?

Yes, if you resize wrongly and it looks strange afterwards, then all your time is wasted. As you learn how to do it correctly, through practice, less of your time will have been wasted. It takes time to get good at something. And the time won't really have been wasted if you've learned from the experience. FitCD is your friend (unless you want to learn the mathematics involved).

[etain]

FitCD is your friend (unless you want to learn the mathematics involved).


i can use fitcd for starters...but i do want to learn the mathematics involved..maybe you have a link to a guide or something?..

[manono]

No, not I. I reencode DVDs with CCE, not AVIs, and don't have to resize anything. AVIs I watch on my DVD/MPEG-4 player, so they don't have to be reencoded for DVD.

Maybe someone else will have that link for you.

[desta]

Videohelp.com - AVI to DVD MPEG (CCE or TMPGenc encoders) (http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=222898)

Videohelp.com - Determining Aspect Ratios and Resolutions (http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=174200)

/me points up...