Rumor - New SONY copy protection?

[setarip_old]

"A little birdie" told me that SONY, rather than giving up on "ARccOS" copy protection, may actually be about to launch a new iteration that includes padded .VOBs and totally unreferenced VTSs.

Although I'm fairly certain that such protection, should it actually be put into use, will be dealt with relatively easily (once the initial releases have been evaluated).

Unfortunately, a negative side effect of such copy protection, which will occupy valuable space on the DVDs, will be the reduction of space for the actual movie and extras.

If anyone else has any additional information or insight regarding this rumor, please be god enough to post it to this thread... ;>}

[freelock7]

Capote from Sony can be related as a new dvd protection but easily defeated.
So, where is the interest to place unreferenced data on a DVD?
Reduce space is not really a good argument.
Maybe a beta version for a future release (?).

[blutach]

There's no little birdie. It's in existence now on a Vietnamese DVD.

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=63955

The idea with the unreffed VTS is to muck around with end of table values and so make PgcEdit not able to load the DVD for ripping. Got nothing to do with valuable space. Just delete the unreffed VTS using PgcEdit.

As well, padded VOBs are legal and used on nearly every DVD.

The interesting new stuff is that ARccOS is not just in VTS_0X_1.VOB :)

It's just another iteration. Yawn.

Regards

[setarip_old]

@freelock7

The region 1 version of "Capote" contains only the "standard" previously used type of "ARccOS" copy protection. Are you saying that your Region's DVD contains the new version I referred to at the start of this thread?

[freelock7]

R2 isn't here yet.
But according to CDFreaks guys, Capote seems to have a wrong navigation structure that you don't find in a "simple" Arcoos protected movie.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=172862

[setarip_old]

@freelock7

The posts at the link you provided seem to indicate a shortcoming of the primary AnyDVD program.

The following link provides many posts indicating No difficulty with the Region 1 "Capote" DVD.

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?postid=374073#post374073

My own personal experience with this DVD was rather interesting. I had to return my initial purchase due to a bad pressing. The movie played until 1 hour and 22 minutes and then froze - and was also unrippable at that point. Visual examination disclosed that there appeared to be "waves" of different shading on part of the disc.

The replacement DVD was fine and DVD95Copy provided both a perfect 1:1 rip and a perfect DVD9-compressed-to-DVD5 burned copy...

[freelock7]

"The movie may have been mastered, purposefully, with a structural error as a protection scheme against backup software. ...may have been..." (Whisperer1-CDFreaks)
But your own experience seems to proof a simple bad pressing. Sad to have not tested yet before to post!:scared:

[Mug Funky]

FWIW, unreferenced black video is typically used for either resume information (it's good practice for first play to be video so the DVD player has something to resume to if you hit stop - menus don't work for this and it can get nasty), or to allow the author to set a good layer break - think of it like the once ubiquitous "spacer.gif" in old table-based websites. a bit of padding on can be just enough to get your layer break off a "pan-with-music" and onto the quiet dark scene just before it.

[setarip_old]

unreferenced black video is typically used for either resume information ... or to allow the author to set a good layer breakUnderstandable - but neither activity requires using 400-500Megs, does it?...

[blutach]

More and more often we see VIDEO_TS.VOB files that mostly contain just 40 mins or more of black unreferenced video. It's a crude scheme to lower the resultant quality for unsophisticated one-clickers as well as being able to position the LB where it might be aesthetically pleasing (but the black is unnecessary for this - padding sectors are just fine).

Regards

[setarip_old]

And even for those who are sufficiently knowledgable to properly remove the unreferenced material, as I said when I opened this thread -...a negative side effect of such copy protection, which will occupy valuable space on the DVDs, will be the reduction of space for the actual movie and extras.

[freelock7]

If I understand, padding data could be added to penalize compression by transcoders?

[setarip_old]

Yes, if not properly addressed and removed...

[freelock7]

But even removed, the original encoding is really bad (low bitrate) , no?
it might be aesthetically pleasing
The dark side of the 7th art! No more!

[setarip_old]

Not necessarily "low", but certainly "lower" than it possibly could be - wasted space, no matter how you look at it...

[vlac112]

Hi!

I had a same kind of problem with a disk by Sony. I made the whole process via PLS2plugin and finally a single Vob1 file remained and the other main movie files were gone. I tried it several times but no success. Can you help me?