Lord Of War, unreferenced items

[hallway]

Before I ran "Prepare" on Lord Of War, in the input settings window, there are numerous unreferenced audio and subtitle entries. I have all languages and subtitles other than English automatically excluded but these are more or less "unknown", so DVD-RB (rightfully) leaves them in.

What are they though ?? I searched this forum for "lord of war" without the quotes and get nothing interesting (something for ""lord" of the rings" though). "lord of war" with quotes returns nothing as does just "war".

I'm asking to be sure I don't end up with a useless DVD in the end. I presume these are things added in by the movie companies to confuse our software.....

[setarip_old]

Hi!

What Region is your DVD?

[hallway]

Sorry, NTSC, Region 1

[setarip_old]

I have all languages and subtitles other than English automatically excludedI also have the Region 1 version (U.S.) of the DVD - and it only contains two "flavors" (5.1 and 2.0) of English audio (and only English and Spanish subtitles).

When you PLAY your original, purchased DVD, what is listed in the "Setup" menu for languages and subtitles?

[hallway]

Interesting... I've got DD2.0, DD5.1, and DTS (6.1) listed in DVD-RB; there's English and Spanish subtitles.

[setarip_old]

(Your attachments have not yet been approved for viewing) Again, when you PLAY your original, purchased DVD, what is listed in the "Setup" menu for languages and subtitles?

Conceivably, there could be different releases...

[jdobbs]

The "unreferenced" means that the track is shown as existing in "Audio Section" of the IFO -- but isn't referenced in any of the PGCs. The information is there just a let you know that fact. My suspicion is that whatever the authoring package was that was used in the original creation of the DVD or the author, is just "lazy" and fills the table for every time... I can't see any other reasoning behind it.

You can ignore them. You can't remove or retain a track that isn't there.

[hallway]

(Your attachments have not yet been approved for viewing) Again, when you PLAY your original, purchased DVD, what is listed in the "Setup" menu for languages and subtitles? As I SAID, there's DD2.0, DD5.1, and DTS 6.1. The images were just for "proof".

[hallway]

FWIW, I started the re-encode last night, maybe 9 or 10pm. Come to my PC this morning, 8+ hours later, and it had hung up or at least appeared to at 36.8%. Re-encodes typically take 200-240 minutes (3-4 hours) on this machine.

I was able to Stop/Pause in DVD-RB though. Going to try and re-start it now....

I'm using CCE 2.5. Is this a case where using HC, for example, will "solve" the problem ??

[jdobbs]

You know I had the same thing happened with CCE v2.50 several times a couple of months ago on one of my computers. Eventually I backed off a little on my overclocking a little to see what would happen and it started working reliably again. Throughout the entire set of circumstances CCE v2.70 never failed... which I found interesting.

[hallway]

I'm not overclocking this PC..... well, I don't think I am.... let's see.... Nope, I'm not (I occassionally do, then some program, not DVD-RB or CCE as I recall, locks up, so I back it down).

Anyway, I stopped it earlier as noted and re-started it and it's now at 67% complete. I've been using 2.5 for at least 10 or so DVDs, in fact ALL have been with 2.5 for some time now, and NEVER had a problem.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Hi!

Looking at the two screengrabs posted by "hallway", I noticed that although the DVD onscreen menu indicates "6.1 DTS", the Rebuilder screen lists it as "5 channel DTS". Is this the usual presentation or does it possibly point to an anomaly with regard to this specific DVD?

[jdobbs]

That is an interesting observation. The number of channels DVD Rebuilder reports there is pulled from the Audio definition in the IFO file (the table at offset 0x204).

[setarip_old]

Perhaps "hallway" can advise if his/her purchased copy (that differs from mine for the same Region) was possibly an "Asian import" or similar - as such versions frequently have incorrect information on the packaging, the onscreen menus, and the .IFO content.

This question is intended ONLY for the purpose of getting a clearer understanding of what might be the cause of the difficulty being encountered by "hallway"...

[hallway]

Running the DVD through PowerDVD, with DTS audio selected, it reports:

Audio: DTS 5.1 768Kbps

Under Configuration, for the audio portion, it lists this:

Audio Attributes:
Audio Coding mode: DTS
Sampling Rate: 48kHz
Audio application mode: Not specified
Number of Audio channels: 5
Bitrate: 768 Kbps
Number of Audio streams: 8

This is PowerDVD v6.x. Not sure what "level" of DTS it supports. Cyberlink's website just says "DTS"... Digging further, this page, http://www.cyberlink.com/english/products/powerdvd/6/audio.jsp#audio, just lists 5.1. Maybe PowerDVD isn't a good source of info. AVICodec didn't help either with DTS info.

[setarip_old]

@hallway

Is your a one or two disc edition?

[hallway]

It's disc 1 of a 2-disc set (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BYA5GO/ref=pd_kar_gw_1/103-9627405-6470206?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130). No way it's some "import" version.

The original, single-disc release, didn't contain DTS. This 2-disc special edition is really supposed to have DTS audio.

[mpucoder]

whatever the authoring package was that was used in the original creation of the DVD or the author, is just "lazy" and fills the table for every time
DVDMaestro is known for doing this to audio and subs.
The onscreen display may have mixed up the DTS and AC3 channels as Dolby Digital EX, while encoded as 5.1, contains an extra rear channel matrixed in the same way as stereo surround.

[hallway]

By the way, CCE (or DVD-RB) hung up again on this DVD. It made it to the 60-70% range but this time it locked my PC up hard. Req'd a hard reboot vs just shutting down DVD-RB like the first time. It's running .... again .... with HC this time.

[jdobbs]

One other thing I just thought of... what version of DGDECODE are you using? There was a bug in versions before v1.4.5 that could (very rarely) cause just this sort of problem... I ran into it once and that was the main reason I upgraded my D2V support to v1.4.5....

Just a "maybe"...

[Added Note] Actually that error would always occur in the same spot. Any chance you're room's ambient air temperature is a little warmer that it used to be and you're overheating?

[setarip_old]

@hallwayIt's disc 1 of a 2-disc setYes, that explains the difference between mine and yours.

I'll bow out of this thread now...

[hallway]

what version of DGDECODE are you using? What version did you give me ?? :D Whatever comes with 1.09 is what I'm using. The file's properties doesn't include that information and I've got the encode using HC running currently so I can't check the "Versions...." menu in DVD-RB. The DGDecode.html file says v1.4.5. Any chance you're room's ambient air temperature is a little warmer that it used to be and you're overheating? My PC is in the basement which other than the furnace itself, there's one duct outlet, which also happens to be quite a distance away. I'm in SW Ohio and it's below 40' F right now. It's not "freezing" here in the basement, but it's by no means warm either.

If my PC is overheating, it would be a failing fan moreso than ambient temperature. Never did get MBM5 configured properly after upgrading it from MBM4. Just downloaded a utility from MSI, my motherboard brand, and will check temps shortly.

[hallway]

System temp is 28' C and CPU temp is 48' C. Given the crunching that HC is doing, that temp doesn't surprise me at all. Normal idle temp is usually in the 32' C range though. Going to suspend HC and let it cool down for a second to see what it drops too.

My CPU is an Athlon XP 2500 (Barton core), by the way.

[hallway]

It's been 10+ minutes and the temp has dropped to 38' C. I'm starting to wonder now if the lower temps I'd seen in the past were wrong. I know with MBM it often reported a false reading that you had to add 4' or subtract 5' from to get the right temp (????).