Is there any CCE solution?

[saber]

I´ve read all(most) the posts about it. Tried all the recomendations. Also the 1.0.4pre3. Nothing worked.
Even the dvd´s I´ve ripped with the 1.0.3 version can´t be ripped now.
And the process always stop at CCE. In diferente point (mostly beneath 30%). Some days one way (like getting slowlier until it finally freezes), some days another (just freezes).
I´m running a PIII 1Ghz with XP. But I´ve tried installing ME and the same happened.
Any ideas? please....!

[dvd2svcd]

Lower you Max. Bitrate to 2200 and Max. Avg. to 2080

[saber]

Nope, didn´t work either...
I'll try with the 1.0.3 again...
Any other ideas are welcome

[Kedirekin]

I have some ideas, but they're just experimental. I leave it up to you to decide if you want to try them or not.

My theory is that this isn't a CCE bug - it's an AviSynth bug (but it's just a theory, so don't flame me). I base this on a *one-time-only* freeze while previewing an avs in vDub. vDub just paused on a frame and wouldn't continue. It's like it was just patiently waiting forever for AviSynth to send it a frame (sound familiar). I've only ever had this happen once though, and it's really hard to confirm a theory based on something that isn't reproducable.

First idea - replace BicubicResize with BilinearResize (this one has actually worked for me - but I've only tried it once). You get a slightly softer encode, but it's better than nothing. On the plus side, Bilinear is faster than Bicubic. FYI: I can't really say why I think this will help. Maybe try this one as a last resort.

Second idea - frame serve the avs file via vDub (this one has worked for me too). This is kind-of a stupid idea, but avs->vDub does seem to be more reliable than ave->cce. You sacrifice a fair amount of speed though.

Third idea - encode from a VFAPI file. You can use TMpg to resize (d2v->tpr->vfapi->cce) or you can use AviUtl (d2v->aup->vfapi->cce). You loose a lot of filtering options, and resize algorythm is out of your control, but it takes AviSynth completely out of the picture. This was my MO before the mpg2dec.dll came on the scene, and I never had any problems with CCE freezes.

Note: ideas 2 and 3 don't incorporate into DVD2SVCD very well. I think you can let DVD2SVCD start encoding, then abort CCE, and let DVD2SVCD start on pulldown or muxing. Then you can shut down DVD2SVCD, do the encoding manually, and use crash recovery to restart at the pulldown or muxing step.

[saber]

I will try you ideas tomorrow night (tks, really).
The real problem is the quality difference between CCE and the others...
Will try with a new clean XP instalation...

[saber]

I solved it. At least, partially. This is what I´ve done: I rip the movies 4-8 chapters at the time. It is surely not the best way, but have got no CCE crashes till now.
Then joined the parts and went all ok.
Also, the quality is excellent.

[M1ckey M0use]

I got the famous 'cce bug' now too. I've got this movie that don't get any further than 66%. This is the first one after about 20 good movies.

The Avisynth part sounded good enough. I found some more info here:

http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~corder/

Still searching further..

M.

[M1ckey M0use]

I'm going to try the Avisynth 1.0 beta 5 this night. I'll know tomorrow if that fixed the bug..

Here's where i found the latest beta:

http://www.horizon.nl/~michel/uk/intro2avisynth.htm

[saber]

I´ve also found that taking 256 of ram out, and with 256 left, the CCE doesn´t crash. And the chips are ok...
Some kind of a mistery this CCE...
Let me know about the avisynth test

[M1ckey M0use]

I was able to run the movie without problems. (at least it didn't stop anymore, i haven't seen the results yet).

This is what i've done:


- Deleted all avisynth dll's floating around on my disks.
- Downloaded the latest beta 5
- installed the dll into system32 directory and DVD2SVCD/avisynth directory
- doubleclicked the included reg file
- resartrted DVD2SVCD in recovery mode starting from encoding video


Can't say this solved the bug definitly but you can try for yourself..

M.

[marks430]

@ Saber

I had similar problems too. The program had worked previously and I had read the posts saying that more memory is better, so I got more memory. I previously had 384MB and took out 128 and inserted 512 (only three slots). After that, I started having CCE crashes. I didn't associate it to the memory at first, but after about two weeks of trying different things, including running a memory testing program, I finally pulled the new memory card. CCE started working correctly. The moral of this story is that even though the memory testing programs say it is fine, CCE will really test it out.

Good Luck

[saber]

This is mind bogling. Also, if you change the priority of the task (in the task manager, windows nt/2000/xp, in the processes tab) to low, the lowest value, CCE works faster.

[dvd2svcd]

That's probably because you give Avisynth/mpeg2dec/dvd2avi.vfp more processor time. I have been considering making CCE run in idle mode.

[saber]

but it also works faster that way when I'm using it alone to convert an avi...
they say that after xmas ther will be a new release, more xp compatible...

[dvd2svcd]

Originally posted by saber
but it also works faster that way when I'm using it alone to convert an avi...
they say that after xmas ther will be a new release, more xp compatible...


Yeah, but it's probably not AVS compatible :(

[mrbass]

hmm interesting...I lowered the task to LOW under XP and CCE RT increased from 1.260 to 1.280 so 0.02 isn't too shabby. Might save a few minutes. Thanks for the tip.

[mrbass]

ok I got the 78% CCE hanging twice with Moulin Rouge. Solution was to change the default Max Avg Bitrate from 2130 to 2000 and yeeaa boeey it worked! Left Max Bitrate at 2250. So instead of a 120 diffence perhaps 250 might be a better default...who knows.

[Fastolfe]

Yes, I think increasing the gap between Max Bitrate and Max Avg Bitrate is key (with standard bundle). I had the same problem with Snow White which blocked CCE after 33% (only in multipass). After some tests, the increase of the gap by more than 300 (in this case) did the trick. So, it looks like it depends on the movie you are encoding. Most of the movies will go fine with a gap of 120 but troublemakers (why?) need a bigger gap and this gap depends of the movie itself. Probably no general rule here, sadly enough.

[mrbass]

ok then I vote for 300 as the default difference then...

[saber]

this is my story: I used to have a lot of problems, the same you post (take a look at my posts). Changed my 2 256m ram chips for 1 of 512, and all started to work fine again.
no more problems, not even one.

[Stars556]

Hi guyz,

since a couple of weeks I also have great trouble with CCE 2.50 when using DVD2SVCD. Most of the time the whole system (Win XP) freezes during the CCE encoding process. The freezes happen at random points during the vaf or / and mpv file creation. They are not bitrate related and don't occur between two individual passes.
I tried running DVD2SVCD (1.0.4 B3) and CCE in WinXP safe mode, so that unnecessary drivers and apps are not started at boot up. But still I'm getting those random freezes.

On the other hand I used the following encoding setup for a couple of weeks.
DVD2AVI --> Avisynth MMX / MPEG2DEC --> Virtual Dub --> Virtual Dub Frame Server --> CCE 2.50
I'm using this funny setup for cutting my PVA/MPEG2 streams "on the fly" during the transcoding process to SVCD (frame accurate cutting for removing commercials).
I've NEVER got any freezes in CCE using this setup !!

So I suggest that there might by a problem with the frame serving DVD2AVI --> Avisynth / MPEG2DEC when using CCE. This (I think) causes the freezes. It seems that Virtual Dub doesn't have these problems.

So I added Virtual Dub in the DVD2SVCD process. I loaded the Avysinth_script_file.avs into Virtual Dub and added the audio as WAVE. Then I started the Virtual Dub Frame Server and opened the referring file in CCE 2.50. I started the encoding process ... and guess what ... NO FREEZES.

I tried this a couple of times. So I got "kind of a" statistic here.

In older version of DVD2SVCD I didn't get any freezes at all during the CCE process. So what has been changed ??? Can anyone remember the changes in the frame serving setup ???

Please post your experiences.
Maybe you can also try the Virtual Dub workaround ...
But be aware ... you will get a encoding speed loss of about 20 % (realtime) ...

Stars556

[SiliconSoul]

saber i think you are right... it is all about the ram... for some reason cce stops when it hits about 256 megs of ram in use for encoding! and i have two 256 meg chips... i would bet if i did the same thing you hvae then it would stop the freezing! but guess what thats CRAZY! i do not have the time and $$$ to buy ram and just throwing it away! because cce sucks and can not figure out how to use ram correctly...

there jsut needs to be a way to tell cce that you are caped at like 240 megs so it never hits 256 and freezes....

if anyone else has another solution to the problem please TELL!

or maybe not? what ever it is FIX IT! please!

:-)

[mkanar]

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
That's probably because you give Avisynth/mpeg2dec/dvd2avi.vfp more processor time. I have been considering making CCE run in idle mode.

But Avisynth/mpeg2dec/dvd2avi.vfp and effectively being called from the CCE process, right? This can be demonstrated on a dual processor system. For example, in TMPGEnc, with the multiprocessor enhancements turned off (a seperate thread for video prefetch and a dual pipeline for the encoding), all of the processor time for TMPGEnc+AVISynth+DVD2AVI shows up under the 'TMPGEnc' process in task manager. Essentially, when CCE or TMPGEnc tries to get a frame, they stop, and control is passwd to AVISynth, which in turn passes on control to DVD2AVI or whatever.

Crazy stuff.

ohwell, thanks!!
MKanar

[umpire]

After some successful encoding DVD using DVD2SVCD I have got DVD movie which set in freeze my cinema craft encoder after first pass VBR. To understand why is happened I restart windows (I use ME), deleted *.vaf+*.mpv and load *.ecl (crated by DVD2SVCD) into CCE manually then start encoding. And I have got same. CCE freeze after 1st pass.
I have read idea of DVD2SVCD that bitrate overflow in CCE in some cases and I have tried another way. I load *.ecl into CCE and just increase max bitrate to 2400 instead of 2350 (using by default). After that encoding process passed succcessfully. Therefore I agree with DVD2SVCD that the difference (like 120) between max bitrate and max avg. bitrate is not enough for some cases.

PS I'm sorry for my poor English

[SiliconSoul]

im not sure what did it but i did this... i deleted all versions of avisynth and put the newest one in the windows and dvdsscvd dir.
i then reriped from the start everything over again.. i reinstalled cce. (yeah thats it) then i make all processes that dvd2svcd option idle.

i woke up and i was out of hd when it was trying to make the bin file... deleted vob file and it seems that it got throught the cce freeze during the night or it never happened...

american pie 2 collectors edition

5 pass vbr

audio 224 downsample to 44.1

bitrate
max 2723 min 300 min avg not checked max avg 2230
adjust bitrate is checked below these settings

other than this mostly default settings or what ever the dvd2svcd guide on the doom9.net page suggested!

ps. this what all using 1.0.6 build 1

well its working now so its time to break out all the other dvds i have and test them out!

whats a good cd taht has a problem? ive seen shrek i might try that...

[24hourloop]

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
Lower you Max. Bitrate to 2200 and Max. Avg. to 2080

See my post. The solution is that you apparently generate an incorrect ECL file. Fixing this should take care of the problem.

It is absolutely unrelated to bitrates.

[dvd2svcd]

24hourloop: See my reply!

[hardware]

Was that American Pie 2 to the unrated version? Im having a framerate not supported problem with it!

[Jono182]

silicon: i cracked cce

u mean u just reinstalled the version you purchased right? :)

[SiliconSoul]

yeah i reinstalled... and no mine was just the collectors edition! :(

i would like to see that version!

:D :D :D :D

[SiliconSoul]

okay now im converting the Emperors new groove divx to svcd with dvd2svcd and on the first pass it goes through to get the vaf file... on the first pass to encode it stops at 33% it only completes the first pass then it freezes...

my bitrates are 2200 max min 1000 max avg 1800
i tried using the defaults and it freezes too... even let it run 6 hours after the freeze and it was not done...

fresh install of 1.0.6 build 2 pre 2

is there a better version out? am i using the wrong version? WHY ME! there are so many that do not have this problem....

here is the log file

--------------------------------------------------------
- 28/01/2002 11:29:02 PM
- AVI to SVCD Conversion
- AVI2SVCD ver. 1.0.6 build 2 Pre 2
--------------------------------------------------------
Initializing
Initializing finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 28/01/2002 11:29:03 PM
- Free on drive D: 9302.17 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
--------------------------------------------------------
Audio extraction finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 28/01/2002 11:29:55 PM
- Free on drive D: 9235.67 mb
- AUDIO conversion
--------------------------------------------------------

Converting MP2 to WAV. Filename: D:\ftp\!dvdripping\ENG\Extracted_audio_1.mpa
Executing MADPlay (mp2 to wav). Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MADPlay\madplay.exe" --verbose --output=wave:"D:\ftp\!dvdripping\ENG\Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav" "D:\ftp\!dvdripping\ENG\Extracted_audio_1.mpa"
Conversion (mp2 to wav) of D:\ftp\!dvdripping\ENG\Extracted_audio_1.mpa finished.


Converting Audio to MP2. Filename: D:\ftp\!dvdripping\ENG\Extracted_audio_1.mpa
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D:\ftp\!dvdripping\ENG\Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav" -output "D:\ftp\!DVDRI~1\ENG\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" ) -ota( -g max -r 23976 23976 ) -2lame( -e -b 224 -m s )
Audio conversion of D:\ftp\!dvdripping\ENG\Extracted_audio_1.mpa finished.

Audio conversion finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 28/01/2002 11:37:49 PM
- Free on drive D: 8321.36 mb
- Converting Pictures
--------------------------------------------------------
Converting: e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Converting: e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
--------------------------------------------------------
- 28/01/2002 11:37:58 PM
- Free on drive D: 8319.33 mb
- Video Encoding
--------------------------------------------------------

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
DVD2SVCD no. frames: 0
CCE no. frames: 104489
StreamSectors: 833239988
AudioSectors: 123506656
VideoPAPO: 10994148
ScanOffsetBytes: 125387
SeqAligningBytes: 7969028
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 690644765.47
Seconds: 4352.07
CDSize: 800.00
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 104489
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 3
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 600
Max. bitrate: 2200
Avg. Bitrate: 1267
--------------------------------------------------------
- 29/01/2002 2:18:29 AM
- AVI to SVCD Conversion
- AVI2SVCD ver. 1.0.6 build 2 Pre 2
--------------------------------------------------------
Initializing
Initializing finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 29/01/2002 2:18:34 AM
- Free on drive D: 7451.63 mb
- Crash Recovery
- Restarting from: Video encoding
--------------------------------------------------------
- 29/01/2002 2:18:40 AM
- Free on drive D: 7451.13 mb
- Video Encoding
--------------------------------------------------------

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
DVD2SVCD no. frames: 0
CCE no. frames: 104489
StreamSectors: 833239988
AudioSectors: 123620532
VideoPAPO: 10992384
ScanOffsetBytes: 125387
SeqAligningBytes: 7969028
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 690532653.47
Seconds: 4356.07
CDSize: 800.00
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 104489
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 3
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 1000
Max. bitrate: 2200
Avg. Bitrate: 1266
--------------------------------------------------------
- 29/01/2002 2:19:34 AM
- Free on drive D: 8099.59 mb
- Crash Recovery
- Restarting from: Video encoding
--------------------------------------------------------
- 29/01/2002 2:19:34 AM
- Free on drive D: 8099.59 mb
- Video Encoding
--------------------------------------------------------

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
DVD2SVCD no. frames: 0
CCE no. frames: 104489
StreamSectors: 833239988
AudioSectors: 123620532
VideoPAPO: 10992384
ScanOffsetBytes: 125387
SeqAligningBytes: 7969028
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 690532653.47
Seconds: 4356.07
CDSize: 800.00
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 104489
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 3
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 1000
Max. bitrate: 2200
Avg. Bitrate: 1266

[FrEaK]

i think that i have something to contribute here too. The first time i installed dvd2svcd and ran it, everything went fine, i encoded using 4 passes.
then i had this problem with bbmpeg, that kept cutting my files. so i installed the latest pre, as dvd2svcd recommended. and after that install my CCE now freezes too. i have reduced passes to 3 and the avg, bitrate to 2000 but that didn't change anything.
i also reinstalled dvd2svcd build6(the version i used b4) and CCE, plus i installed the lates avisynth.dll but i still got the problem.
i now took out one ram chip, because that seemed to help some ppl here. i hope it does the trick for me too.

my system:

Athlon xp 1900+
512MB ram (now 256)
win xp pro
ibm deskstar xp 40GB


i don't know if this information is of any help, i just hope it is!

what is dvd2svcd doing now BTW, because he closed "...the quest..." thread?? working on a solution i hope. will vfapi become supported now?

[FrEaK]

nope, taking out the ramchip didn't change anything. i also tried the multipass settings from 4-2. cce always froze at the same frame (the movie i tried to encode was shrek btw).
at 4passes it froze at 24%, 3passes:32% and 2passes:48%
i then tried the "one pass VBR" which finally worked.
now the movie doesn't look as good as it could have looked, but at least i have working svcds now

[DVDHack]

Are there any alternatives to AviSynth that we could try, it seems to me that is where the problem is.

[xrv1138]

freak
vfapi is already supported under the cce tab.
try the following settings:

no subtitles
1 audio track set to 192
bilinear resize (under frameserver tab)
bitrates:
max 2490
min 300
min avg leave unticked
max avg 2230
4 pass vbr
give that a go

[FrEaK]

@xrv1138
ok, i will most likely try it tonight.
but may i change the bitrates? because i don't think that my dvd player will play the svcd without problems if the bitrate is as high as you suggest.

[xrv1138]

do you know this is a restriction of your player for sure ?

you can just try these anyway and use pwerdvd/windvd on your pc to check
it is just to check your cce problems only

[FrEaK]

well.. i know that my dvd player had problems (i.e. laggy playback of the vid stream, no prob with the audio stream) with the svcds i recently made. and i used the default bitrate settings... actually i cant explain what the problem is because the player i use is the well known pioneer dv-444. and the video stream is ok too, i checked it with a software player.
maybe its the disks i use... or the burner (Lite-on 24x10x40)?

but i will try the settings u recomend, to test cce.

[chainsaw135]

@freak
Looks like i have the same burner you do and i burn at 24x speed unless i'm doing overburn on the disk then i go down 2 16x ....havent had a failure yet every svcd plays find on my apex player

[FrEaK]

ok, i tried the settings, and cce froze agian. this time, it froze even 1% earlier :)

@chainsaw
i also tried to burn @ lower speeds (8x) but i still had problems...
whats the best disc to use actually?! which brand?

[chainsaw135]

I use a few different kinds all worked here is 3 that i normally use
I buy the multi-speed 80minute
1. Imation
2. Memorex
3. K Hypermedia

[kiro]

what cce do you use?
I'm incline to think that cce2.5 is a problem.
Did not have any freezing with 2.62

[chainsaw135]

I've always used 2.50sp
which was the only 1 you could use with dvd2svcd until the last pre build.

[kiro]

Originally posted by chainsaw135
I've always used 2.50sp
which was the only 1 you could use with dvd2svcd until the last pre build.

Well, sinse I use last prebuild and cce 2.62 I have another problem with picture and sound but not with cce freezing. By the way 2.62 encode faster; 1,3G .vob - 2.62 - 59min. against 85min. cce2.5 in dvd2svcd 1.0.5

[chainsaw135]

Well thats fine but 2.62 does not encode faster then 2.50sp while using dvd2svcd so that does me no good.

[kiro]

Originally posted by chainsaw135
Well thats fine but 2.62 does not encode faster then 2.50sp while using dvd2svcd so that does me no good.

I did compare bunch of dvd2svcd+2.62 and dvd2svcd+2.5
First case running faste mainly on account of 2.62

[chainsaw135]

"This was added in the readme.txt by dvd2svcd"

Enhancement: I have added support for VFAPI. I have done this for two reasons. It seems to be more stable when using with CCE. And it gives you the possibility of using CCE 2.62 or 2.64, but I do NOT recommend using 2.64, I have not had anything but problems with this version (when doing Multipass). The use of VFAPI will slowdown the encoding speed approx. 25-40%

[xrv1138]

freak try the new build 2

kiro - that has me confused too how you are getting faster 2.62 encodes with dvd2svcd...

[kiro]

Do it by yourself, not only reading...

[xrv1138]

kiro
i have personally only carried out one safe mode run
and it was about 25 % slower than normal encoding then.
just wondering what settings you are using to achieve a faster rate ?

[kiro]

take all my words back
as it turned out my cce were broken

:)

[chainsaw135]

Well im not the type 2 say "I told you so" so i wont..on that note i'm glad you have done more research...and like you said I should read everyday and i do..because I learn daily just like most of us...

But if i see something that doesnt make sense I will post against that so . other newbies do not get mixed up on truths vs fiction...

[FrEaK]

Originally posted by xrv1138
freak try the new build 2


i would, but build 3 is already out there... i'll just get that one instead :D

[DDogg]

Kiro, it happens to all of us from time to time.:)