rent and make a copy?

[johnhamler1]

i have read in some countries, it is legal to make a copy of a movie you rent.

what about the usa?
why some countries rent dvd, and it is printed "not for rent disc"on the dvd disc.(retail disc)

that s just a question?.

[setarip_old]

what about the usa?No...

But you really shouldn't ask legal questions at a forum - You never know who's answering ;>}

[Stone Knife]

...or asking! ;)

[dani82]

from what i remember, you're allow to make copies for yourself, but they will all have to be destroyed once you return the rental; or was it images on your hd

[CWR03]

you're allow to make copies for yourself
Not in the US, not of rentals, not even for personal use, and not even under this forum's terms of Fair Use.

[Zimmy]

I do know, that if you jump off a high building, you'll land safely. Trust me!

[dani82]

@ CWR03

you only half-quoted me; that somewhat saying that i'm endorsing movie piracy

[CWR03]

you only half-quoted me
I usually only quote a portion to indicate to whom my post is directed. In any case, my point was that making copies of rentals for any use is neither legal in the US nor allowed for discussion here. In fact in the US, it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection on a DVD, period.

[johnhamler1]

what about other countries?

[bern]

In fact in the US, it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection on a DVD, period.
You MUST circumvent protection to play a dvdTherefore technically illegal to play dvd's, period

[Doom9]

why some countries rent dvd, and it is printed "not for rent disc"on the dvd disc.(retail disc)You realize that your sentence makes no sense.. a country doesn't rent DVDs, rental places do. There's a reason for this print though.. rental discs are higher priced and rental places (depending on the country) even have to pay collection agencies for rentals. Whether that print is a binding contract is another matter entirely.
nor allowed for discussion here.Since when do you make the rules?

You MUST circumvent protection to play a dvdTherefore technically illegal to play dvd's, periodActually, that's not correct. There's a perfectly legit way to read out DVDs.. but now the nitpicking can start because DVD Decrypter uses this perfectly legitimate way of reading DVDs. So it's more about if the studios want to allow you to use a certain playback device than anything else.

In fact in the US, it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection on a DVD, period.Stop spreading FUD on my board this instance please. This is grossly incorrect. Read up on fair use again. No matter where you stand on whether private copying is fair use, academic use is as clearcut a fair use case as it can get.. and try, as a teacher, to get a studio to give you a sample of a DVD... those that have bothered to try to go the legal route have found themselves ridiculed and being told under the table that there are ways that allow you to help yourself - just don't kiss and tell.

[Gurm]

You MUST circumvent protection to play a dvdTherefore technically illegal to play dvd's, period

Actually when using a legally licensed device, you're ok. :)

[MrTroy]

what about other countries?
Here in The Netherlands it's legal to do so. It's also legal here to download movies off the internet. It's illegal, however, to sell copies or to upload movies.

[bongoman31]

And you can buy sticky buds in the city square; what a country! I'm looking for a job there.

[Stone Knife]

I've had similar thoughts lately, too. The new milennium isn't turning out the way I expected it to when we were envisioning "the future" in 1969. :scared:

[Mug Funky]

yeah, everyone's worrying about DVDs and we're not living in space. robots are not plentiful. and computers don't take up an entire room (unless you're a real enthusiast...).

renting and copying isn't really cool. those poor rental places are being hit hard enough by DVD as it is - people want to own movies where before they were happy to rent them, and now suddenly people don't go to blockbuster as often as they might have. i myself haven't rented a movie in several years. if i feel like watching something new i'll take one of my DVDs out of the shrink wrap they're still in (just don't have time to watch them these days).

besides, buying and rent+copying are so near in price that it doesn't make much sense (plus you don't get cover art, extras, etc).

[mudda_t]

...those poor rental places are being hit hard enough by DVD as it is -...
Ha Ha Ha...LOL
.
You were joking...right?:confused:

[BigDid]

Just went through this thread, stopped on FUD (doom9 post). Not being a native english I wondered what FUD could mean, recalled there is a sticky on abbreviation and acronyms: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=30047 , search the 2 first sites:
1st http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/cgi-bin/acronym?FUD gives me Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt
2nd http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=fud&Find=find&string=exact
gives me Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in 1st place but also :)
- Fouled Up Disinformation (polite form)
- Female Urinary Device
- Fever of Undetermined Origin
or Fire Unit Display (not in order)

So it seems accronyms are not always univoque:D

Did

[blutach]

I do suspect that doom9 meant Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt.

:D

Regards

[MrTroy]

- Fever of Undetermined Origin

That would be FUO, right?:rolleyes:

[Rockas]

Ha Ha Ha...LOL
.
You were joking...right?
ummm... I don't know about that and I don't know about all the other countries but I know that here in Portugal a DVD movie (for rent) can cost aabout €80... The usuall price (on local Rental Clubs) is about €2... now... a "good" commaercial DVD requires several copies, let's say 5, that will give you €400...
Now imagine you have 3000 members on the store... let's imagine that only half of them are interested on that DVD... you cold say... yes 1500 x €2 = 3000 but... those 5 copies divided by the 1500 will give you 300 Days... that means, the last Member will access that movie after 300 Days... you know that isn't possible... it is even more impossible if you think that 90% of people just go and get a movie on weekends.
This means that for the rent places have the investment return they have to rent the movie 200 times... and don't forget that people don't work to get warm... at least not here in Portugal (we have an avrg temperature of 20º Celsius :D)
It isn't hard to imagine that the life of Rental places isn't as easy as people can suppose at a first sight :)

oh! by the way... No! I don't own one of those "rental clubs" :)

[BigDid]

That would be FUO, right?:rolleyes:
I dunno, I just quoted the results from the 2nd page: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=fud&Find=find&string=exact

Now searching FUO, I have:
Fever of Unknown Origin
Fever of Undetermined Origin
Follow-up Output

Really disturbing :D
Is there an authority to file a formal complaint ?:rolleyes:

Anyhow, have a good day, this is far more enjoyable than other threads with some (not all at least) people ignoring your answers, ignoring manners, ignoring anything out of their concerns :angry:
Please discard, that was my 5mn steam release for today. Bye

Did

[Stone Knife]

FWIW I subscribe to Blockbuster's online rent-through-the-mail-deal and they are getting at least $20 a month from me. I like them so far!

I read recently that Netflix has 4.2 million subscribers. They are managing to eek out a living. :-)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/columns/risky_business_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002275149

[setarip_old]

buying and rent+copying are so near in price that it doesn't make much sense...That comparison certainly doesn't appear to be valid in the US, where it's illegal to copy rented DVDs:
PURCHASE a new DVD release = $15-$25

MAXIMUM rental price $3.99 + MAXIMUM cost of burnable SL media $1.00 = Total cost to copy $4.99

[CWR03]

I did the math once, and if I wanted to I could turn around ten sets of rentals a month (I'm on six out at a time at a cost of $36 a month), giving me 60 movies a month. Were I to copy each of those onto single-layer media which I can get on sale every other Monday for 20 cents apiece, that would be a grand total of $48 for 60 movies each month.

[Wolfman]

"I could turn around ten sets of rentals a month" very unlikely I'm afraid, they would throttle you (both physically and postally). ALso are there really that many movies that you want to watch? I find it hard to see more than 2 or 3 movies every month that I like. Most are average bordering on average plus. ALso you would have to be sending back then receiving the next set within 3 days?? 1 day to post, 1 day to process and 1 day to post back and this presumes that you would both receive and post back on on the same day
I read recently that the price of a rental copy from the studios has been raised to £35 (from ??) so my math would presume that they would have to rent it out about 10-15 times to start covering their costs.. after that its all gravy.#

ALso not all (quite a few older titles) do not have any copy protection in place eg "the tempest" 1955

[dragongodz]

a new DVD release = $15-$25
of course it will depend on the dvd. i will give you a real example.

the movie crying freeman was released here on dvd not long ago. i wanted it to buy. i checked the usual places including rental stores since they sell dvds here aswell. 1 had it for rental but had sold out of their sales copies so the guy asks if i wanted to rent it. i said no because that would have been a waiste of money and heres why.
rental = $5 for 3 nights(this store does this with first time on dvd older films)
bought = $9

plus many other older film that have been and are being released here on dvd are very cheap. i have bought kids shows for $8 a dvd for my son and many others(for myself or wife) for between $10-$12 including things like beverly hills cop 1 and 2 , ace ventura etc etc etc.

now if you talk about the so called big blockbusters then yes they can be rather more expensive. for example disney new releases such as the incredibles was $30(2 dvd special edition) but even then a person can be patiant and save. for example my son liked the movie robots. i waited 1 month after its release and 1 of the rental stores here had ex-rentals of it for $10 and i inspected all the copies they had to make sure i got a good(not scratched to hell) one. i knew they would because they do it with every movie they get multiple copies of, rent it overnight for a month and then sell off most cheap and just keep a couple to go to weekly rentals.

so a lot of what i buy, especially older films, is actually pretty cheap and i only splash out on the occasional blockbuster that i really want a brand new copy of. many newer films dont interest me to be honest, especially not remakes(well the names the same as an old movie but the story half the time isnt) which seems to be a current fad. :)

this same rental store infact has nearly a fifth of its floor space devoted to dvd sales alone. they know rentals alone is not going to keep the place very profitable. however with sales aswell they are doing rather well. thats called good business sense and if other stores are not doing something similar then yes they may not be doing aswell as they could.

note all prices are Australian dollars. :)

[setarip_old]

@dragongodz

In the comparison example I presented (which you've quoted in part) I intentionally compared the MAXIMUM cost of copying to the typical costs for most new releases in the US.

To compare backup costs to some exceptions to the typical costs is not a fair representation (Just as I believe that the example to the opposite extreme, posted by "CWR03", is also not representative of the norm)...

[dragongodz]

To compare backup costs to some exceptions to the typical costs is not a fair representation (Just as I believe that the example to the opposite extreme, posted by "CWR03", is also not representative of the norm)...
this is what i was also trying to point out, what is the typical cost ? it certainly isnt the maximum blockbuster hit price just as much as it isnt the minimum budget oldie price. it will vary greatly dependant on what dvds you buy and how you buy them.