(@SC author) implementing auto vertical positioning in SC

[spud_2011]

HI Paddington,
i'm highly interested in this function and i think that this one should be a lot useful also for other users.....
i'm working on a srt file extrated with SubRip with the 'extended option (with picture's coordinate)' feature checked (under output format menu)
and so i have an output like that:

...
160
00:09:35,188 --> 00:09:39,488 X1:219 X2:498 Y1:363 Y2:418
That is, until one day,
and one man.

161
00:09:45,698 --> 00:09:48,633 X1:162 X2:556 Y1:363 Y2:423
Beano Cook: As you look back
at the 20th century,

162
00:09:48,701 --> 00:09:51,761 X1:157 X2:560 Y1:056 Y2:116
the roaring '20s is one
of the most important decades
...

as u can see some subpictures are rendered at the screen's top due to an intereference with others over impressions in the original movie.

it's at any time possible that SC should use these position info on an automatic basis so we can render back the sup file properly?
(and no need never more to re-adjust vertical positioning manually?)
thanks for your attention and of course for such a great program

spud_2011

[spud_2011]

i think this feature is useful only to me.... :(
:D

[CoNS]

Hehe, no I think it would be very useful, too, spud_2011.

I've sent Paddington a mail about this around the time you posted your initial post, and he replied that it sounded interesting and he'd take a look.

The problem is that Paddington is not very active here at the forum and it's been many months since the last version of SubtitleCreator came out... :(

You could try sending him a p.m. about it. I think the more users push for new features the easier it'd be to get him started again :)

[klinika]

I'm afraid the extended subrip format doesn't take well into account subs which contain more than two lines per "subpicture". Consider these:

40
00:05:58,691 --> 00:06:01,060 X1:126 X2:593 Y1:061 Y2:423
Stills: Hashiyama Naomi. Film Development: Tokyo
Labs. Production Advancement: Tanno Hiroaki
Begrieving snow falls...
in the dead morning...

44
00:06:21,247 --> 00:06:21,547 X1:182 X2:540 Y1:062 Y2:423
Starring: Kaji Meiko
I walk with the weight of the Milky
Way on my shoulders...

668
01:02:59,609 --> 01:03:02,669 X1:144 X2:575 Y1:061 Y2:422
"Call me disloyal, or a traitor, that's okay.
I don't mind being a traitor."
So now we have... another
girl seeking vengeance.

863
01:37:03,317 --> 01:37:13,283 X1:232 X2:477 Y1:105 Y2:368
DVD Production Team
Paul Laughter
Sara Rouse
Production Assistance
Bobby Engelmann
Brian Godwin
Thomas Wells
Branson Moore

The credit lines and the quote belong to the top of the frame, and dialogue to the bottom. No app could tell 100% accurately which lines are credits, which dialogue, which extended top frame information for explaining foreign terms, and so on. Granted, you could make some kind of so-so compromise, but honestly, I don't think you can reconstruct sub positioning as it's seen on dvd with the extended subrip format without some (heavy) amount of manual editing, depending on the complexity of the subs. But, subrip with .ass positioning support, now that would be something else :)

[spud_2011]

I'm afraid the extended subrip format doesn't take well into account subs which contain more than two lines per "subpicture". Consider these:

40
00:05:58,691 --> 00:06:01,060 X1:126 X2:593 Y1:061 Y2:423
Stills: Hashiyama Naomi. Film Development: Tokyo
Labs. Production Advancement: Tanno Hiroaki
Begrieving snow falls...
in the dead morning...

44
00:06:21,247 --> 00:06:21,547 X1:182 X2:540 Y1:062 Y2:423
Starring: Kaji Meiko
I walk with the weight of the Milky
Way on my shoulders...

668
01:02:59,609 --> 01:03:02,669 X1:144 X2:575 Y1:061 Y2:422
"Call me disloyal, or a traitor, that's okay.
I don't mind being a traitor."
So now we have... another
girl seeking vengeance.

863
01:37:03,317 --> 01:37:13,283 X1:232 X2:477 Y1:105 Y2:368
DVD Production Team
Paul Laughter
Sara Rouse
Production Assistance
Bobby Engelmann
Brian Godwin
Thomas Wells
Branson Moore

The credit lines and the quote belong to the top of the frame, and dialogue to the bottom. No app could tell 100% accurately which lines are credits, which dialogue, which extended top frame information for explaining foreign terms, and so on. Granted, you could make some kind of so-so compromise, but honestly, I don't think you can reconstruct sub positioning as it's seen on dvd with the extended subrip format without some (heavy) amount of manual editing, depending on the complexity of the subs. But, subrip with .ass positioning support, now that would be something else :)

HI!
in my case the structure is very simple:
subpicture on bottom at most...
and subpicture at the top when other text is displayed down.. :D

[spud_2011]

contacted paddington via p.m. and he told me that he's interested in it.
maybe he should integrate this function in the next relaese... (it shouldn't be too complicate, he said) :D

THANKS PADDINGTON

[Paddington]

contacted paddington via p.m. and he told me that he's interested in it.
maybe he should integrate this function in the next relaese... (it shouldn't be too complicate, he said) :D

THANKS PADDINGTON
In the next version, this feature will be present: I use the X and Y position as well as the width. Instead of the height, however, I use the number of lines in the text - I hope that will satisfy all of your requirements - if you need extra line breaks, I think adding | will do, so you can add empty lines without creating problems when reading the SRT file. One tiny thing: everything is converted back to my own format, so if you save it again, SubRip probably won't be able to read it.

The next release is currently being debugged by Manusse, who created a DVD overlay function for SC - really cool! When that's ready, I will release the next version. If you can't wait to test the positioning, send me a message, and I will send you a copy of the current version for beta testing.

[CoNS]

The next release is currently being debugged by Manusse, who created a DVD overlay function for SC - really cool! When that's ready, I will release the next version.Good to see you're back in bizz! Looking forward to the new version.

DVD overlay function... You mean, to preview the subtitles directly on top of the DVD preview? That would be cool - I know you've tried to solve this for a long time. :)

Does it also support the display of existing subtitle streams already authored in the DVD, on top of the video?

[Paddington]

Does it also support the display of existing subtitle streams already authored in the DVD, on top of the video?
Currently, I am not looking at that yet, although it might be easy if DirectShow supports it. Would that help you a lot, and for what purpose?

[CoNS]

Well, you're right, it wouldn't help me a whole lot. However, as the main purpose of the app is to create new subtitles to be added to DVDs, it would be nice to be able to preview the DVD with the existing subtitles. Or even use SC to preview the final result, too. To have it all-in-one, without having to start up a software player... (I know, a luxery kinda thing!)

[spud_2011]

In the next version, this feature will be present:

The next release is currently being debugged by Manusse, who created a DVD overlay function for SC - really cool! When that's ready, I will release the next version. If you can't wait to test the positioning, send me a message, and I will send you a copy of the current version for beta testing.

great to see that!! thanks
what should be the release number that implement that one?
currently the last realease is 2.2??..

[Paddington]

Probably 2.0 (current version is 1.9.2)...

[spud_2011]

Probably 2.0 (current version is 1.9.2)...

oh... yes i think so... i had a little confusion due to some link that reported a misterious 2.2 version (:confused: )
eheh...

[manusse]

Hi all,

In reply to the question of CoNS, Does it also support the display of existing subtitle streams already authored in the DVD, on top of the video? I can confirm that this will be possible.

The version I am playing with now, does accept this. This will allow to check for example if the subtitles displayed on top of the video in SC match the ones displayed directly from the DVD which is quite the case with the current version.

We still have many things to debug before releasing it but it looks very promising. You just have to wait !

Manusse

:D

[CoNS]

Great! Looking forward to it :)