NeroVision 4 won't accept 5.1 AC3

[Kashmir]

I have made a project in there, converting .avi with 5.1 AC3 audio to DVD, and got an error, which says that there was a problem transcoding the video. When I tried altering the audio type to 2.0 AC3, or PCM it worked all fine, but not with 5.1, which I really need. The .avi file is encoded in a regular AC3, with 448 kb/s bitrate. How can I fix this problem? I've already created chapters and menus, and thus I don't want to switch to some other application...

Help me out, thanks in advance!

[jshumate]

Unfortunately I can't help you as I don't know the answer to your question. I NEVER use NeroVision and I tell you why below. I just want to give you something to think about in case no one else can help you, although based on your post, I suspect that you will not like what I have to say and you won't listen to it.

I see posts like this all the time in various forums. I see the guys who act like their world WILL COME TO AN END - TO AN END!!! - if they can't make menus for their VCDs. I see posts like yours all the time too. Your world will come to an end and you will die a horrible, painful death if you can't have 5.1 AC3 audio. If you REALLY cared at all about quality, you wouldn't be using Nero to convert your DivX files to DVD. Nero's tools are flakey. Nero's encoding to MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 is pure crap. CCE is a lot better. So is TMPGenc. Yet people use Nero because it's easy. You've already decided to sacrifice video quality by using Nero in the first place and now you are freaking out because your audio will only be 2 channels instead of 5? Well, maybe you need to use another tool to convert your video to DVD format. Then you would have your 5.1 AC3 audio AND better video, but the downside is that other tools that work better aren't one click solutions and require you to actually do the work to learn how to use them. It just seems to me that since you don't care enough about quality video to use a better tool that maybe you shouldn't worry too much about whether Nero turns your audio into 2 channels. Doom9 has guides on using various tools to convert your Divx to DVD format, all of which will give you better quality than Nero and should be able to preserve your audio, but they won't be as easy to use. Believe it or not, there are worse things in the world than listening to 2 channel audio.

[Kashmir]

Thanks for your reply.

The thing is, that I prefer it quick and easy, and nevertheless I'd like to keep the 5.1 track, cause I don't see any reason converting it to something, if its audio track is already in DVD-capable format... Besides, the quality of the original .avi that I have is not that high, and converting it to DVD will leave me with a bitrate of over 5000 kb/s, which is enough, and I doubt that I will see any difference from encoding it with high-end-pro-super-duper tools...
Anyway, if you have a guide or an easy to use application that does the job easily, I'll appreciate if you give me one...

:thanks:

[jdcooke1]

Hello Kashmir.

I would say that the problem you are having has to do with the fact the 5.1 AC3 is a "non-standard" format for .avi content.

What you could do is seperate the video and audio so that you'll have an .avi file of video only and an .AC3 file of your 5.1 audio. Then when you're in Nero Vision you can use it's "Make Movie' application to "merge" and align the files back together. From there you should be able to render your DVD video.

There are some good applications on the site that will transcode or de-mux the 5.1 audio to a seperate file.

good luck
jdc

[Kashmir]

Hello Kashmir.

I would say that the problem you are having has to do with the fact the 5.1 AC3 is a "non-standard" format for .avi content.

What you could do is seperate the video and audio so that you'll have an .avi file of video only and an .AC3 file of your 5.1 audio. Then when you're in Nero Vision you can use it's "Make Movie' application to "merge" and align the files back together. From there you should be able to render your DVD video.

There are some good applications on the site that will transcode or de-mux the 5.1 audio to a seperate file.

good luck
jdc

Thanks, man. Just had a thought about it, hope it'll work.

[Eretria-chan]

Unfortunately I can't help you as I don't know the answer to your question. I NEVER use NeroVision and I tell you why below. I just want to give you something to think about in case no one else can help you, although based on your post, I suspect that you will not like what I have to say and you won't listen to it.

I see posts like this all the time in various forums. I see the guys who act like their world WILL COME TO AN END - TO AN END!!! - if they can't make menus for their VCDs. I see posts like yours all the time too. Your world will come to an end and you will die a horrible, painful death if you can't have 5.1 AC3 audio. If you REALLY cared at all about quality, you wouldn't be using Nero to convert your DivX files to DVD. Nero's tools are flakey. Nero's encoding to MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 is pure crap. CCE is a lot better. So is TMPGenc. Yet people use Nero because it's easy. You've already decided to sacrifice video quality by using Nero in the first place and now you are freaking out because your audio will only be 2 channels instead of 5? Well, maybe you need to use another tool to convert your video to DVD format. Then you would have your 5.1 AC3 audio AND better video, but the downside is that other tools that work better aren't one click solutions and require you to actually do the work to learn how to use them. It just seems to me that since you don't care enough about quality video to use a better tool that maybe you shouldn't worry too much about whether Nero turns your audio into 2 channels. Doom9 has guides on using various tools to convert your Divx to DVD format, all of which will give you better quality than Nero and should be able to preserve your audio, but they won't be as easy to use. Believe it or not, there are worse things in the world than listening to 2 channel audio.
And what you expect is that we should sacrifice a lot of time for something. The purpose of applications is to make the task easy - perhaps we want one-click solutions because it's EASY. At the very least, don't blame us for it. Some people want it easy, some prefer quality over it.

[Kashmir]

Yeah, I understand...

Usuing demuxing didn't work. The wierd thing is why did they put 5.1 option in Nero Vision 4, if it's useless under regular conditions?? How's this understandable?

Maybe I'll just make it 2.0 there, and then remux with some app for the relevant titles with 5.1 AC3. What would be the best application for it?

THANKS

[setarip_old]

Since this thread has now reached seven posts and your initial post has not been challenged/questioned regarding your source material, I'll ask:

Have you tried using AC3Fix on the demultiplexed 5.1 .AC3 audiostream?

[jdcooke1]

Nero should handle it. included with the ultra edition is "Soundtrax" which allows you to edit/mix 5.1 and 7.1 audio.

setarip_old is right of course and that is, you'll have to nail down any issues with the source material before you can proceed with Nero Vision.


good luck
jdc

[Kashmir]

thanks jdcooke1 & setarip_old

Tried AC3fix, didn't help either, still getting the same old error in NeroVision, which says: "Transcoding of videos failed.".

Soundtrax couldn't even import the track.

Weird thing, ha?

[setarip_old]

You might want to try the following:

1) Demultiplex the .AC3 audiostream

2) Convert the video portion only of the .AVI to compliant DVD format

3) Use "TMPGEnc DVD Author" (commercial software) to first load the videostream and then select the audiostream. You can obtain a FULLY functional free 30 day trial version of this commercial program at:

www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda.html

Make note and post here the EXACT wording of any error message that "TMPGEnc DVD Author" generates. Or, hopefully, post back here of your success ;>}

[Kashmir]

You might want to try the following:

1) Demultiplex the .AC3 audiostream

2) Convert the video portion only of the .AVI to compliant DVD format

3) Use "TMPGEnc DVD Author" (commercial software) to first load the videostream and then select the audiostream. You can obtain a FULLY functional free 30 day trial version of this commercial program at:

www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda.html

Make note and post here the EXACT wording of any error message that "TMPGEnc DVD Author" generates. Or, hopefully, post back here of your success ;>}

Thanks, I will try that. I will make it AC3 2.0 with NeroVision, and then I'll try replacing the audio track for each titles with the relevant AC3 5.1, is it quite possible to do with this program, right?

[setarip_old]

There should be NO reason to convert the audiostream from 5.1 to 2.0

[Kashmir]

Don't know why... but now it won't even work with AC3 2.0. It stucks after the preparations for transcoding (no errors sing). I am considering moving to some other simple applications that does the work, without crashing every other minute, cause that freaks out! What alternative should I use?

:confused:

Thanks

:)

[jshumate]

You can try DVD2SVCD. You will need an encoder of some kind, such as TMPGenc. You can try setarip_old's suggestion for TMPGenc DVD Author.

[setarip_old]

@Kashmir

If you've followed my suggestion to use "TMPGEnc DVD Author" with demuxed audio and converted video, and it did not result in success, once again:

Make note and post here the EXACT wording of any error message that "TMPGEnc DVD Author" generates.[/Color=Blue]

[Kashmir]

Ok, I've managed to do it this way: encoded with nero Vision with AC3 2.0, and remuxed it with AC3 5.1 using TMPGEnc DVD Author. All fine till here...

New problem arrives, when I play it, the menu disappears within the first second, and I tried making in motion menu, and still I coudn't use it, and it just disappears. How do I fix it? All I need is a still menu/s, and make them work until I click on some option.

[Kashmir]

BTW, I tried this in stand-alone DVD, and it worked OK. Any PC application that I used refused to play this normally (this includes PowerDVD, Media Player Classic). Why is that? Any Ideas?

THANKS A LOT

[Kashmir]

OK, I worked this out. Apparently, when I play the DVD, and don't lunch a separate VIDEO_TS.VOB file, it works fine.

[setarip_old]

Glad to hear you've resolved your dilemma!

[JohnMK]

Unfortunately I can't help you as I don't know the answer to your question. I NEVER use NeroVision and I tell you why below. I just want to give you something to think about in case no one else can help you, although based on your post, I suspect that you will not like what I have to say and you won't listen to it.

Define "ego": see above. Synonym phrase: "exaggerated self-importance."

I give your later post a 10/10 rating, however. Who am I kidding though? I suspect you don't care what I think and won't ponder it. :p