A total black movie, that´s causing problems.[merged]

[apfraats]

Everybody knows you can replace a title in DVDSHRINK with a still picture, that´s displayed for the time of the original movie.

If you throw such one to DVD/RB, it´s getting of track.

A lot of programms are. It´s a stream only consisting of I frames al least that´s reported by bitrate viewer.

Powerdvd plays such a tile fine, displaying a black image for the title time.

A 2 hour movie was 127MB large after replacing it with a black image.

I recorded it to DVD-RW and tested it in my player (even a sony one)
and it displayed black images running the title time.

Hower most programms get confused by the stream generated by DVDSHRINK in this way.

Probably P and B frames are null and regarded not existing by most programms.

Anyone any answers on this ????

So take shrink and insert a BLACK image for the tittle and look at the result DVD.

What's so difficult here ???

DVD-RB crashes on it as input at the end of the prepare fase.

The players tried play just fine however.......

Bitrate = ????????? 1.80 Mbps/ according to powerdvd, which can't be true.

Anyone ?

[writersblock29]

Hi!

This might not be what you're looking to hear... but then again, it might help. In the past, I used to use DVD Shrink to disable titles I didn't want, since simply blanking them would leave an active menu button that doesn't do anything (which -- if you're like me and might not watch a particular backup for several months down the line -- might cause you to wonder if you'd removed a given feature, or you'd somehow screwed up the project). To remove the entire button in a program like, say, DVD Remake, you may not be able to select a given button... but you still see the sucker! Doesn't give the project a very professional look, in my opinion. DVD Shrink offered me the ability to disable a title and have an explaination behind why a button acts a certain way: Select it, and you're greeted with a "this title has been removed" still.

But yes, those "stills" aren't really stills at all -- they're small encoded segments that simply don't take up the space of the original feature, but still tend to be several hundred MBs in size. STILL a waste! But those stills were pretty handy, weren't they?

Our mutual buddy Jdobbs solved this for both of us. I forget which version he added this feature into... but all you need is the line

BlankText=This Feature Has Been Removed

added ANYWHERE under [Options] in your configuration file. This way, any feature you blank will be replaced by a veeery small still screen that will read "this feature has been removed" (or whatever text you choose to insert after "BlankText="). Beware of blanking those annoying intro previews that always seem to wind up on Universal disks in such a way, though -- or you'll be stuck with looking at a "This feature has been removed" message until you hit the "menu" button on your remote.

If you already knew about this feature, then I both thank you for your time as well as appologize for wasting it. :D If you didn't know about it, I hope it helps you out!

[apfraats]

Well thanks for taking the time, I don't consider a serious reaction a waste of my time anyway.

BUT, the problem is that as you AGREED, the DVDSHRINK option did WORK !!

However if you replace a title with a still, DVD-RB goes crazy.

And as said a lot of other programms do also.

So I don't blame DVD-RB as it serves me quite well, for the most high quality backups I can get. (forget about DVDSHRINK for this....)

SO I don't blame anybobody for anything.

Just as usual I litterally put things black to white, to get a bit more understanding of it.

Trying to feed a movie-only backup, where the title is exchanged for a totally BLACK picture, works well. At least in the DVD-players I tried (quite a bit).

But feeding this DVD to DVD-RB gives a lot of trouble......

It should be in spec.

But DVD-RB hangs at the end of the prepare fase, and if you restart it it is going to extract stills in the encode phase till it's getting an error like something too many stills counted.......

That's why I ask about this phenomenia.

It seems to be DVD-compliant, at least for my DVD-players (2 Sony, yes, yes, 3 TARGA devices, 1 PHILIPS, 1 Cyberhome).

They don't compalin and just play back the title in black, you can even skip chapters, for the original time that's about 2 hours....


That's the problem and for now my quest....

[jptheripper]

dvd-rb is meant for backing up complete dvds, as jdobbs stated in nearly every of his inital posts during development.

Preprocessing is on you, not him, to fix. Encoding an entirely blank cell is a waste of time. Just blank it with rebuilder, or delete it, or leave it un"stilled". Just b/c you _can_ do it in shrink, doesnt mean you _should_ do it.

[jdobbs]

@apfraats

If you want to create a blank stream for testing -- just use the BlankClip() or Blackness() in AVISYNTH with the number of frames you want to create.

[apfraats]

Anybody knows of a filter or any trick using a filter to make output of avisynth in DVD-RB having totally balck frames ????

For example a contrast(0,0) filter and the needed DLL ?

Or maybe even somthing simple like BLACK() ???

Thax.

[wmansir]

You can also do something like :

Blankclip( framecount )

it will replace the segment with a clip of the same length with black frames.

It's probably best to put it at the end of the script. You can use RB-OPT to mass edit the .avs files for individual segments.

[apfraats]

So blankclip(framecount) gives me the same lenght of the segment but in black pictures ??

But I probably can't use in in DBD-RB avs filters dection ?

I'm looking for a filter that genrates black images from every image.

[jdobbs]

So blankclip(framecount) gives me the same lenght of the segment but in black pictures ??

But I probably can't use in in DBD-RB avs filters dection ?

I'm looking for a filter that genrates black images from every image.Sure it can. All you have to do is give it the same number of pictures as the original had. For example, lets say you had an AVS file that looked like this:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:03
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD-RB Pro\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\IMAGE1\KEEP1\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(17220,29531)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

You can see that there are 12,312 pictures (from 17220 - 29531) -- so you could just add change it to this:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:03
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD-RB Pro\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\IMAGE1\KEEP1\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(17220,29531)
BlankClip(last, 12312)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

That will take the attributes from the stream you are using (height, width, etc.) and give you 12312 perfect blank frames.

[communist]

http://www.avisynth.org/BlankClip

[apfraats]

yep thanks, I got it and it just as simple as BLANKCLIP(framecount)


Not an avisynth expert.....

[raquete]

not an expert too.
i was reading your post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=769408#post769408 and you can do what you want with tweak(from neuron2)!

using your own script from the link:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:03
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD-RB Pro\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\IMAGE1\KEEP1\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(17220,29531)
tweak(0,0,-255,0)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

as i read that you're using cce 2.70.xx,then remove the "AudioDub(BlankClip())" from your scripts,will run faster and it' for cce2.50 only(it's in the guides)

[scharfis_brain]

uhm

blankclip(last) does the same like the call of tweak(....)

[apfraats]

Well thanksd a lot guys, so I can remove audioblankclip.

Everything tha't spedding up will help.....

[apfraats]

Gna, thanks JDOBS, I still have to forget about procedural language using avisynth......

And start thinking in functions over complete streams.....


But also blankclip(framecount) works perfectly and I even don't have to count :D :D

Well, talking about saturation, man this one is comming out really undersized as it looks... :D :D