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Sir Didymus
14th January 2006, 18:37
In the doom9.it forum I had some discussion with a couple of gentlemen about the way adopted in DVD-RB for its LB 4/3 --> 16/9 conversions.

Just to summarise, for interlaced material the method adopted in DVD-RB is to use, for each segment to convert, the following avisynth process:

1. SeparateFields
2. LanczosResize [25% of stretch; for PAL material the vertical resize is from 216 to 288 lines]
3. Weave

From my experience, I never had bad results using it, and some careful visual inspection to the resized clip left me happy about the actual method.

Nevertheless, reading this post (it is almost exactely one year old...), pointed out by the friend midnightsun:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88116

especially on page 2, where some nice comments from Mug Funky, IanB and Scharfis_brait were kindly posted, it seems that:

a. the actual method is introducing a vertical misalignement given by (OldHeight/NewHeight-1)*0.5*(NewHeight/OldHeight), resulting in total 0,16667 pixels for PAL material [if my calculation is right]. Do you consider this level of misalignement considerable ?

b. better procedure, based on bob() deintelacing exist. Are these procedures of simple introduction in DVD-RB ? I mean, I am not sure if a good avisynth script (general enough to be used to clips with both TFF and BFF field order) is applicable...

What do you think about ?

Cheers
SD

neuron2
14th January 2006, 18:44
a. the actual method is introducing a vertical misalignement ... Do you consider this level of misalignement considerable? Yes, it causes noticable blurring.

b. better procedure, based on bob() deintelacing exist. That's one approach. I use the method of correcting the spatial misalignment as described in this thread:

http://neuron2.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=868

IMHO, DVD-RB should be enhanced to use a quality interlaced resizing method.

Boulder
14th January 2006, 21:47
I reported this once and suggested that a bob-resize-reinterlace method would be used. At that time jdobbs didn't want to change the procedure but maybe he'll consider it this time :)

EDIT: Here it is: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=91916 . Too bad I don't have the screenshots anymore, they clearly showed the difference.

Sir Didymus
16th January 2006, 13:42
@neuron2. BIG THANKS for your comment and for the reference in your post. It is really useful and appreciated. :thanks:

@Boulder. Sigh... I took as a point of honour to try to follow in a very systematic way all of the evolution and comments about DVD-RB, starting from its very early development stages...

I have to admit it seems I totally missed the tread you linked above...

To all: afraid for raising the topic without performing a deep search before on the subject: it was not my intention to restart the argument from scratch...

SD

Boulder
16th January 2006, 14:01
@Boulder. Sigh... I took as a point of honour to try to follow in a very systematic way all of the evolution and comments about DVD-RB, starting from its very early development stages...

I have to admit it seems I totally missed the tread you linked above...

To all: afraid for raising the topic without performing a deep search before on the subject: it was not my intention to restart the argument from scratch...

SD
No problem at all..it's hard to notice as the discussion about the issue doesn't actually begin at the first post :)